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Tell me how bad was it really , was it really some lawless place no one ventured where you could easily be murdered if you went out at night? I ve heard it was the worlds most dangerous city in about 84?
Dam, id have needed all my MMA skills to live in that environment.
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Downtown Cincinnati from 2000 to 2003. That was the closest ive seen to a true life ghetto warzone. Vine st was the road, never seen anything like it.
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Tell me how bad was it really , was it really some lawless place no one ventured where you could easily be murdered if you went out at night? I ve heard it was the worlds most dangerous city in about 84?
Dam, id have needed all my MMA skills to live in that environment.
Shit NYC was that bad back in the 80s , hell Chiraq has em all beat now.
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Tell me how bad was it really , was it really some lawless place no one ventured where you could easily be murdered if you went out at night? I ve heard it was the worlds most dangerous city in about 84?
Dam, id have needed all my MMA skills to live in that environment.
This is Detroit today. hasn't changed.
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Shit NYC was that bad back in the 80s , hell Chiraq has em all beat now.
Yea the south and west side of chicago are rough places.
My wife used to be a public school teacher on the west side and those kids dont stand a chance
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In the late 80s early 90s I lived in the D as a kid (actual city not the outskirts). We did normal stuff like went for bike rides to 711, dawn donuts, farmer jacks, friend's homes, and walked to/from school. Obviously the ghetto was bad, but there were areas that weren't complete hellholes.
I think it's worse today.
Thinking about it I'm amazed my parents let us run so free.
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There isn't much on the documentary front, but this has bit on Detroit at the time -
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These are good to get a feel for New York -
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Two of the Gold standards -
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A good one if you understand German -
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Good old PBS one from the 70's -
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Then you've got Places like East St. Louis, etc.... that are rough too.
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For Chicago, this series was a good, but depressing watch -
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I thought the Hill Street Blues TV series were rough...
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Back in the 80s and 90's, Los Angeles may have been worse than Detroit. NYC was also bad.
The top 10 most dangerous cities in 2014 were:
10)Birmingham, Alabama
9) Milwaukee
8 ) Rockford, Illinois
7) Baltimore
6) Little Rock, Arkansas
5) Cleveland
4) St Lous, Missouri
3) Memphis, Tenn
2) Oakland, California
1) Detroit
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I thought life in America was great like in Moonlighting.
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Back in the 80s and 90's, Los Angeles may have been worse than Detroit. NYC was also bad.
The top 10 most dangerous cities in 2014 were:
10)Birmingham, Alabama
9) Milwaukee
8 ) Rockford, Illinois
7) Baltimore
6) Little Rock, Arkansas
5) Cleveland
4) St Lous, Missouri
3) Memphis, Tenn
2) Oakland, California
1) Detroit
The irony here is that the populations in these areas are predominately black
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The irony here is that the populations in these areas are predominately black
Was just about to aks what these cities have in common. :-X
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Detroit is withering away. People continue to flee. The thing about cities like Detroit is that they are bad for so long no one bothers to cover the crime as much.
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Another good Detroit documentary is "Who Killed Vincent Chin?" which is about a famous murder there that happened during the 80's. It touches on the decline of the auto industry a bit in it. It's hard to find, but someone posted it here -
https://vid.me/SzO/who-killed-vincent-chin-1987 .
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Another good Detroit documentary is "Who Killed Vincent Chin?" which is about a famous murder there that happened during the 80's. It touches on the decline of the auto industry a bit in it. It's hard to find, but someone posted it here -
https://vid.me/SzO/who-killed-vincent-chin-1987 .
Ive seen it. It's a good documentary
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The irony here is that the populations in these areas are predominately black
It's no coincidence.
Around blacks......don't relax.
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Late 80's and The early 90's North Las Vegas was even worse.
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If only we initiate some new kind of robotic police force to patrol Detroit.
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If only we initiate some new kind of robotic police force to patrol Detroit.
I'd buy that for a dollar.
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Downtown Cincinnati from 2000 to 2003. That was the closest ive seen to a true life ghetto warzone. Vine st was the road, never seen anything like it.
How was it exactly?
Italians shooting at Greek storeowners?
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I'd buy that for a dollar.
I like it!
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Back in the 80s and 90's, Los Angeles may have been worse than Detroit. NYC was also bad.
The top 10 most dangerous cities in 2014 were:
10)Birmingham, Alabama
9) Milwaukee
8 ) Rockford, Illinois
7) Baltimore
6) Little Rock, Arkansas
5) Cleveland
4) St Lous, Missouri
3) Memphis, Tenn
2) Oakland, California
1) Detroit
Living in Gated Communities is a good way of avoiding thugs and criminals.
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If only we initiate some new kind of robotic police force to patrol Detroit.
Yes that would be like something out of the movies.
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If only we initiate some new kind of robotic police force to patrol Detroit.
There was no crime in Her Adolf Germany ;D
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Late 80's and The early 90's North Las Vegas was even worse.
Wiggs :o
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Anyone here ever been to Camden New Jersey?
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Anyone here ever been to Camden New Jersey?
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What is happening to Camden is exactly what is happening to Ferguson. It's an eerily similar story of decay.
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If only we initiate some new kind of robotic police force to patrol Detroit.
Daleks?
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You guys do realize that eventually these undesirables will be everywhere and there will be nowhere for normal people to flee to. Every neighborhood will be a slum. Every city will be Detroit. You think you are getting your fill of social justice now, just wait.
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You guys do realize that eventually these undesirables will be everywhere and there will be nowhere for normal people to flee to. Every neighborhood will be a slum. Every city will be Detroit. You think you are getting your fill of social justice now, just wait.
Section 8 and vouchers push the undesirables into the suburbs. Camden and Ferguson are two examples of the effect those kind of policies have-death and decay of a city. Nothing good ever comes from these programs.
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Section 8 and vouchers push the undesirables into the suburbs. Camden and Ferguson are two examples of the effect those kind of policies have-death and decay of a city. Nothing good ever comes from these programs.
As I've mentioned before, not all suburbs. West Linn, OR has zero, zip HUD or federally subsidized rental units.
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Anyone here ever been to Camden New Jersey?
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if ever there was a place to use vast quantities of napalm... camden nj would be the place to do it. the place should be turned into a military weapon testing zone. residents included.
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As I've mentioned before, not all suburbs. West Linn, OR has zero, zip HUD or federally subsidized rental units.
One of the reasons is that Oregon never had housing projects. When housing projects are closed the occupants are shuttled to the burbs.
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One of the reasons is that Oregon never had housing projects. When housing projects are closed the occupants are shuttled to the burbs.
Why do you comment on things you apparently know nothing about? Ever hear of Columbia Villa? It was one of Portland's main low income housing projects. Originally built in 1942 to house defense workers. Today it is known as New Columbia. It is still home to a lot of low income people. http://www.newcolumbiaapts.com/.
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Why do you comment on things you apparently know nothing about? Ever hear of Columbia Villa? It was one of Portland's main low income housing projects. Originally built in 1942 to house defense workers. Today it is known as New Columbia. It is still home to a lot of low income people. http://www.newcolumbiaapts.com/.
I'm referring to the public housing constructed in the 50's and 60's after the Housing Act of 1949 and the Housing and Urban Development Act of 1965. As well as all the subsequent housing initiatives after 1965. This is what is commonly understood to be housing projects in the common vernacular. And the original post you responded to was in reference to places like Camden and Ferguson. I never said it's happening everywhere. Maybe you should stop posting about shit you don't understand.
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I'm referring to the public housing constructed in the 50's and 60's after the Housing Act of 1949 and the Housing and Urban Development Act of 1965. As well as all the subsequent housing initiatives after 1965. This is what is commonly understood to be housing projects in the common vernacular. And the original post you responded to was in reference to places like Camden and Ferguson. I never said it's happening everywhere. Maybe you should stop posting about shit you don't understand.
"The federal program, Housing Opportunities for People Everywhere (HOPE VI), is intended to revitalize the worst public housing developments in the nation. It assumes that these places contribute little, if anything, positive to the lives of residents. Surveys of 173 residents who were relocated from Portland's defense era housing, the 462-unit Columbia Villa, reveal that well-designed housing that is properly managed and safe provides the essential foundation on which families cope with the vicissitudes of poverty. Contrary to public opinion, Columbia Villa was a strong, close-knit, safe community for families, the disabled, and the elderly." http://jpe.sagepub.com/content/27/1/5.abstract
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"The federal program, Housing Opportunities for People Everywhere (HOPE VI), is intended to revitalize the worst public housing developments in the nation. It assumes that these places contribute little, if anything, positive to the lives of residents. Surveys of 173 residents who were relocated from Portland's defense era housing, the 462-unit Columbia Villa, reveal that well-designed housing that is properly managed and safe provides the essential foundation on which families cope with the vicissitudes of poverty. Contrary to public opinion, Columbia Villa was a strong, close-knit, safe community for families, the disabled, and the elderly." http://jpe.sagepub.com/content/27/1/5.abstract
What does this have to do with anything I wrote? Oregon never had the large scale housing projects other states had. This is an absolute fact. The reason, population demographics and density.
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HOPE VI makes use of New Urbanism, meaning that communities must be dense, pedestrian-friendly, and transit-accessible. Housing rarely comes in the form of apartments. Instead, private houses, duplexes, and especially for public housing projects, row houses are preferred, because these buildings directly interact with the street. Similarly, houses always stand close to the street, with small front yards. It is common to see porches on the buildings, as well as small apartments for single residents built over garages or on the ground floor.
By applying defensible space, most communities are specifically designed or remodeled with private property, emphasizing security. Buildings are low-rise and often integrated directly into failing urban areas, in an effort to revitalize them. Private custodianship, with individuals taking care of their assigned part of the project, is a critical element. Likewise, providing residents with high-quality materials and houses is believed to encourage pride in the space and an interest in keeping things in good condition. This, theoretically, mitigates vandalism.
In general, much of the philosophy comes from a theory that apartment buildings are not healthy spaces for human habitation.[citation needed] Only with substantial wealth can an apartment building maintain the characteristics of security, social networking, and urban integration that the designers feel is necessary for a healthy community. Instead, the lower-rise, urban feel with a sense of safety in the built environment satisfies that need.
Many of the elements of the program do not involve construction of buildings at all. More funding goes to housing assistance vouchers than in previous programs. As with the strategy of constructing in-fill housing in middle-class neighborhoods and providing new housing for market-rate buyers, this element helps integrate residents into existing neighborhoods, to produce a certain cohesion. In almost all implementations of the program, housing authorities and non-profits have provided resident-assistance information programs for new homeowners, teaching them and their neighbors how to take care of a house that they must protect.
And Ferguson is the result. You have no clue what you're prattling on about.
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You can see Fergusons transition toward poverty after HOPE VI was formally recognized by law in 1998.
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HOPE VI
Another neighborhood destroyer
Alternative models[edit]
Scattered-site housing[edit]
“Scattered-site” or "Scatter Site" refers to a form of housing in which publicly funded, affordable, low-density units are scattered throughout diverse, middle-class neighborhoods. It can take the form of single units spread throughout the city or clusters of family units.[33]
Scattered-site housing can also be managed by private not-for-profit organizations using a permanent, supportive housing model, where specific barriers to the housing of the low-income individual or family are addressed in regular visits with a case manager. In New York City, The Scatter Site Apartment Program provides city contracts to not-for-profits from the HIV/AIDS Services Administration under the New York City Human Resources Administration. Also, Scattered Site is one of two models, the other being Congregate, which are utilized in the New York/New York housing agreements between New York City and New York State.
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What does this have to do with anything I wrote? Oregon never had the large scale housing projects other states had. This is an absolute fact. The reason, population demographics and density.
Exactly. Glad you took the time to clarify the reasons. It is not like we didn't and don't have people who'd qualify for public housing programs. Portland is not New York or some other major Eastern or Midwestern city. Unfortunately, nothing is static. Check this website out, http://www.cpahinc.org/affordable.html.
Recently, the Oregonian published a series of articles regarding Portland's affordable housing shortage. In one of these articles, we were told that for a single person to afford a one bedroom apartment in Portland, they would need an income of $31 an hour in order to meet all the usual living expenses. Minimum wage in Oregon is $9.25. This would indicate that someone making minimum wage better continue living in their parents basement.
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Exactly. Glad you took the time to clarify the reasons. It is not like we didn't and don't have people who'd qualify for public housing programs. Portland is not New York or some other major Eastern or Midwestern city. Unfortunately, nothing is static. Check this website out, http://www.cpahinc.org/affordable.html.
Recently, the Oregonian published a series of articles regarding Portland's affordable housing shortage. In one of these articles, we were told that for a single person to afford a one bedroom apartment in Portland, they would need an income of $31 an hour in order to meet all the usual living expenses. Minimum wage in Oregon is $9.25. This would indicate that someone making minimum wage better continue living in their parents basement.
It was clear from the start I was referring to Camden and Ferguson in the original post you responded to. Someone making minimum wage should find a roommate or two or three. How they make rent is their problem not ours. Creating government subsidized areas of concentrated poverty isn't the answer. Do you know the crime rates in New Columbia versus the state averages? As usual you have to add your little passive aggressive jabs.
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HOPE VI
Another neighborhood destroyer
Alternative models[edit]
Scattered-site housing[edit]
“Scattered-site” or "Scatter Site" refers to a form of housing in which publicly funded, affordable, low-density units are scattered throughout diverse, middle-class neighborhoods. It can take the form of single units spread throughout the city or clusters of family units.[33]
Scattered-site housing can also be managed by private not-for-profit organizations using a permanent, supportive housing model, where specific barriers to the housing of the low-income individual or family are addressed in regular visits with a case manager. In New York City, The Scatter Site Apartment Program provides city contracts to not-for-profits from the HIV/AIDS Services Administration under the New York City Human Resources Administration. Also, Scattered Site is one of two models, the other being Congregate, which are utilized in the New York/New York housing agreements between New York City and New York State.
Like a fucking cancer that spreads.
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Like a fucking cancer that spreads.
The tragedy is that we keep trying to cure the disease the same way. The public housing projects are basically reservations to keep poverty out of the faces of the government officials who created and funded them. They aren't helping anyone in the long run.
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The tragedy is that we keep trying to cure the disease the same way. The public housing projects are basically reservations to keep poverty out of the faces of the government officials who created and funded them. They aren't helping anyone in the long run.
I wonder how much of that contributes to the gentrification of the inner cities?
The undesirables move out to the suburbs and the people with money are able to start anew by either gentrifying or moving even further out to more rural type areas.
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It doesn't matter where you put shit people, they'll turn anywhere they are into shit. It's an immutable law of nature. The only two choices that will work are incarcerate them away from society, or kill them off. Caring about shit people is a complete waste of time and money, that's a certainty.
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Avey, you wouldn't last two seconds in Detroit. Then or now. I grew up in 80's Detroit. You woulld definately be turned into someone's bitch. Real quick.
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Avey, you wouldn't last two seconds in Detroit. Then or now. I grew up in 80's Detroit. You woulld definately be turned into someone's bitch. Real quick.
Oh look its James Toney (PRIME James Toneys) chief sparring partner! ::)
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Back in the 80s and 90's, Los Angeles may have been worse than Detroit. NYC was also bad.
The top 10 most dangerous cities in 2014 were:
10)Birmingham, Alabama
9) Milwaukee
8 ) Rockford, Illinois
7) Baltimore
6) Little Rock, Arkansas
5) Cleveland4) St Lous, Missouri
3) Memphis, Tenn
2) Oakland, California
1) Detroit
The 216 baby!!!! Avoid East Cleveland at all costs!!!!
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The 216 baby!!!! Avoid East Cleveland at all costs!!!!
313 brotha.