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Title: NPC Phil Heath Classic - Stage Pics
Post by: Julio Ceasar on March 25, 2015, 01:34:11 AM
Where the heck is the pictures????
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on March 25, 2015, 01:46:40 AM
I think they're on ESPN.com and yahoo news
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: SF1900 on March 25, 2015, 06:25:09 AM
I believe the competition is not until this Saturday.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
Yep it's this Saturday im carbing at the moment and will
Start drying out tomorrow!
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 01:42:41 PM
From yesterday. My quads are starting to pop and seperate great today
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: 240 is Back on March 25, 2015, 01:48:01 PM
your willpower is strong!


(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/Vanella000/Vanella000013/pnck7giphy_zps4e9b1291.gif)
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: DanielPaul on March 25, 2015, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 25, 2015, 01:42:41 PM
From yesterday. My quads are starting to pop and seperate great today
excelent work.  Diet?
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Grape Ape on March 25, 2015, 01:52:25 PM
Quote from: DanielPaul on March 25, 2015, 01:49:37 PM
excelent work.  Diet?

Yeah, I believe he dieted.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Nails on March 25, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li7snbjYEM1qeido5o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on March 25, 2015, 01:52:51 PM
Looks good but you need to scrub off that sharpie writing on your stomach.

Can you divulge some secrets on your carb up and dry down?
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Nails on March 25, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
(http://favim.com/orig/201106/07/delicious-food-french-fries-hamburger-photography-Favim.com-67930.jpg)
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: SuperTed on March 25, 2015, 01:55:21 PM
Quote from: Nails on March 25, 2015, 01:52:35 PM
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li7snbjYEM1qeido5o1_500.jpg)

That looks gorgeous. :P
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: robcguns on March 25, 2015, 02:01:17 PM
You look awesome
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: wikkedonez on March 25, 2015, 02:11:19 PM
Don't forget the spray tan ;D
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: El Diablo Blanco on March 25, 2015, 01:52:51 PM
Looks good but you need to scrub off that sharpie writing on your stomach.

Can you divulge some secrets on your carb up and dry down?

Lol that the one thing he didn't want me saying his his peaking process so I will respect that
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: BigRo on March 25, 2015, 02:25:36 PM
who did your shaving job? quads have red marks on them...
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: _aj_ on March 25, 2015, 02:26:31 PM
I am sure that Joon fucking blows this guy out of the water. Haven't you heard? Joon is up to 750mg/week plus pharma GH! He's a monster, I am sure.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: OlympiaGym on March 25, 2015, 02:26:47 PM
regardless of outcome of show u did real good. props
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 02:31:57 PM
Quote from: Nails on March 25, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
(http://favim.com/orig/201106/07/delicious-food-french-fries-hamburger-photography-Favim.com-67930.jpg)

Fuck that looks amazing
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: BigRo on March 25, 2015, 02:25:36 PM
who did your shaving job? quads have red marks on them...

Lol me with a shitty razor I got a good one and lots of shaving creams as not to irritate anything
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
Quote from: OlympiaGym on March 25, 2015, 02:26:47 PM
regardless of outcome of show u did real good. props

Thank you sir win or loss I'm happy
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Knooger on March 25, 2015, 02:42:22 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 25, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
Thank you sir win or loss I'm happy

Keep us updated. You look great, hope you do well.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: DroppingPlates on March 25, 2015, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: wikkedonez on March 25, 2015, 02:11:19 PM
Don't forget the spray tan ;D

to cover that horrible tatt...
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Sokolsky on March 25, 2015, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: 240 is Back on March 25, 2015, 01:48:01 PM
your willpower is strong!


(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/Vanella000/Vanella000013/pnck7giphy_zps4e9b1291.gif)

Outed for subliminally admitting to craving being pancaked and jizzed on.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Howard on March 25, 2015, 02:48:03 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 25, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
Lol that the one thing he didn't want me saying his his peaking process so I will respect that

Why do these "gurus" think they need to guard these diet tips, like they are protecting classified information from our nuclear arsenal LOL.

You look good Mike, and you'll do well this weekend.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Julio Ceasar on March 25, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
Looking great. Hope everything went well for u.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: myosaurus on March 25, 2015, 04:18:22 PM
looking great! good luck at the show!
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Grape Ape on March 25, 2015, 04:38:21 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on March 25, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
Looking great. Hope everything went well for u.


The show hasn't happened dumbass
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: King Shizzo on March 25, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
What place did he get?
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Knooger on March 25, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: Shizzo on March 25, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
What place did he get?

Unfortunately he was drunk while driving to the contest and died in a horrific car crash.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: dr.chimps on March 25, 2015, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: Knooger on March 25, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
Unfortunately he was drunk while driving to the contest and died in a horrific car crash.
Sounds familiar.  ;D
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Nails on March 25, 2015, 04:48:27 PM
The Phil Heath CLassic Show is this Saturday 3/28/15
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: TestDummy on March 25, 2015, 04:48:42 PM
Good Job bro!
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: King Shizzo on March 25, 2015, 04:51:44 PM
Quote from: Nails on March 25, 2015, 04:48:27 PM
The Phil Heath CLassic Show is this Saturday 3/28/15
Yes, but what were the callouts?
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 04:57:07 PM
Thanks guy it means a lot that you guess took the time to wish me luck! I'll be repping getbig. Maybe Ron has a in with the judges
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on March 25, 2015, 04:59:12 PM
Mike I see animal pak and is that hemovol on your counter ??
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Thong Maniac on March 25, 2015, 05:32:54 PM
Got damn, i need to get some tren...

But i dont want alzheimers so maybe i shouldnt...
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: TheShape. on March 25, 2015, 05:44:11 PM
At least you will have the satisfaction of being wider than the promoter. 
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: WalterWhite on March 25, 2015, 05:58:30 PM
Delts a poppin!!  Great work bro!

Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Parker on March 25, 2015, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: _aj_ on March 25, 2015, 02:26:31 PM
I am sure that Joon fucking blows this guy out of the water. Haven't you heard? Joon is up to 750mg/week plus pharma GH! He's a monster, I am sure.
Joon needs to look at this dude and do what he has done.
Navy_Mike you look impressive. Can't fault him.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Never1AShow on March 25, 2015, 06:14:09 PM
Quote from: Nails on March 25, 2015, 04:48:27 PM
The Phil Heath CLassic Show is this Saturday 3/28/15

Is there a live feed?

Good luck NM!
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
Quote from: Parker on March 25, 2015, 05:59:17 PM
Joon needs to look at this dude and do what he has done.
Navy_Mike you look impressive. Can't fault him.

Thanks Parker! Starting to fill out now up to 196 from 186 lol but Thats expected with the added carbs and fuild. Looking to be right around 190 give or take a few pounds
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Parker on March 25, 2015, 06:25:02 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 25, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
Thanks Parker! Starting to fill out now up to 196 from 186 lol but Thats expected with the added carbs and fuild. Looking to be right around 190 give or take a few pounds
Hope you do well. Delts, arms,small waist, good quads, decent back. Getbig seal of approval right here.
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Mr. Zimbabwe on March 25, 2015, 07:00:57 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 25, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
Thanks Parker! Starting to fill out now up to 196 from 186 lol but Thats expected with the added carbs and fuild. Looking to be right around 190 give or take a few pounds

Looking good Navy_Mike!  You'll do great!  Have fun with it!!!
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on March 25, 2015, 07:09:16 PM
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: titusisback on March 25, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Good physique
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: 240 is Back on March 25, 2015, 07:54:45 PM
Quote from: Nails on March 25, 2015, 04:48:27 PM
The Phil Heath CLassic Show is this Saturday 3/28/15

Navy Mike,

Ignore all rumors that all doorjam widths leading into the Auditorium have been shortened to 16 inches to accommodate the reigning Mr Olympia winner.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 25, 2015, 08:35:35 PM
Quote from: 240 is Back on March 25, 2015, 07:54:45 PM
Navy Mike,

Ignore all rumors that all doorjam widths leading into the Auditorium have been shortened to 16 inches to accommodate the reigning Mr Olympia winner.

Hahaha that's a good one
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 26, 2015, 05:37:08 AM
Well guys all packed up and off to Houston for 4 days. I went all out and bring a mini fridge and microwave and stuff. I'm staying at host hotel which is super nice and they don't even fucking have mini fridges or microwaved. 160 a night my ass
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Ronnie Rep on March 26, 2015, 05:51:09 AM
You look ready Mike, Good Luck.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: wikkedonez on March 26, 2015, 06:03:06 AM
Watch that hot plate Mike..just burned down
a house in New York last week and killed 8
children ;)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: njflex on March 26, 2015, 07:09:48 AM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 26, 2015, 05:37:08 AM
Well guys all packed up and off to Houston for 4 days. I went all out and bring a mini fridge and microwave and stuff. I'm staying at host hotel which is super nice and they don't even fucking have mini fridges or microwaved. 160 a night my ass
ikea couch and basic lowe's  on the cheap switch plate cover the pile looks like various prizes won on 'prices right'
Title: Re: Phil Heat Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: pellius on March 26, 2015, 07:19:18 AM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 25, 2015, 02:25:06 PM
Lol that the one thing he didn't want me saying his his peaking process so I will respect that

Who's "he"? I don't remember you mentioning a coach.

Look great! Amazing transformation!
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: liberty on March 26, 2015, 07:25:36 AM
One of my favorite shows to watch when doing cardio....
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: kevthekid on March 26, 2015, 07:38:44 AM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 26, 2015, 05:37:08 AM
Well guys all packed up and off to Houston for 4 days. I went all out and bring a mini fridge and microwave and stuff. I'm staying at host hotel which is super nice and they don't even fucking have mini fridges or microwaved. 160 a night my ass

My hotel didnt have a microwave either. You have to call the front desk and request them they usually have it jn the back and bring it only if you call and ask for it
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Nails on March 26, 2015, 08:08:15 AM
louis vuitton travel bag to impress THE GIFT  ::)


Good luck
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Knooger on March 26, 2015, 08:13:55 AM
Quote from: Nails on March 26, 2015, 08:08:15 AM
louis vuitton travel bag to impress THE GIFT  ::)


Notice how he put the Animal bag next to it to try to make it look wider. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Competitor 9 on March 26, 2015, 03:13:06 PM
Quote from: Knooger on March 26, 2015, 08:13:55 AM
Notice how he put the Animal bag next to it to try to make it look wider. Pathetic.

Haha!!
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: che on March 26, 2015, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 26, 2015, 05:37:08 AM
Well guys all packed up and off to Houston for 4 days. I went all out and bring a mini fridge and microwave and stuff. I'm staying at host hotel which is super nice and they don't even fucking have mini fridges or microwaved. 160 a night my ass

Are taxpayers paying for this trip ?
Title: Re: Phil Heath Classic - Navy Mike
Post by: Nails on March 26, 2015, 03:19:47 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on March 26, 2015, 05:37:08 AM
Well guys all packed up and off to Houston for 4 days. I went all out and bring a mini fridge and microwave and stuff. I'm staying at host hotel which is super nice and they don't even fucking have mini fridges or microwaved. 160 a night my ass

 ???

You didnt ask for the Bodybuilder special discount  ???  Surly they have a Room next to the ice machine for you to negotiate a spacial rate
Title: NPC Phil Heath Classic - Stage Pics
Post by: Competitor 9 on April 02, 2015, 12:45:32 PM
Got this in to day. All in all I look ok. The day or two before my legs where split and seperated but I spilled over and I think the stress of everthing just washed them out.. I defenitky have a large frame and need to fill it out. Next time it's just all out condition. I'm going to throw the scale away.  Lol
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Competitor 9 on April 02, 2015, 12:46:42 PM
3rd call out center... Lol not great but I wasn't last. Just in the middle
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)




Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Competitor 9 on April 02, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)






Hey Mexican ceaser fuck off
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Competitor 9 on April 02, 2015, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)






You have the width and sholder development of a broomstick. I'm literally twice your size
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: njflex on April 02, 2015, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)





good leg ,,are wearing under roos underwear??
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: njflex on April 02, 2015, 01:06:46 PM
mike I like your threads why can't you keep this rolling in the other ones.this is like 'hey another thread about me'just in case you forgot about the last one,,kinda howie ish....
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Competitor 9 on April 02, 2015, 01:06:58 PM
Quote from: njflex on April 02, 2015, 01:04:42 PM
good leg ,,are wearing under roos underwear??

I think those are Armani. Got them on special at like Macy's or some shit... Baller I know lol ::)
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: BDsauce on April 02, 2015, 01:08:09 PM
Not this again
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 01:08:22 PM
U need to be ugly ripped and dry as fuck in the hotellpicture to look decent onstage...

Something like this...



 
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: BigRo on April 02, 2015, 01:11:07 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)






fuck those are brutal twigs, I wouldnt be bragging about those even if natural.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Competitor 9 on April 02, 2015, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 01:08:22 PM
U need to be ugly ripped and dry as fuck in the hotellpicture to look decent onstage...

Something like this...



 

Seriously why don't you post a pic of Phil and say I need to look like That. A agree I need to be nasty seperated but I need more muscle first to seperate!!
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: njflex on April 02, 2015, 01:19:49 PM
its good to get your feet wet but that also was a huge show,26 or so people in a class is like a jr usa/national even national class  ,,ok there not all top level like a 'national'level but the competitor numbers are there.it would have been better to do a tuneup show in novice class and open to collect some trophies and get looked at as a frontrunner,maybe even have snagged a overall novice trophy with the weight class.open is great,to compete open means you get chance to face some good builds at least top 5 depending how many show up...
Title: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: Dave D on April 02, 2015, 01:25:21 PM
After viewing your recent contest pics I've decided to tell you to go all in. Take it from me professional bodybuilding is an endeavor worth pursuing.  As you know legendary getbigger Howard still laments he never chased his dreams of thonged glory. Military service, advanced education/degrees,successful careers, relationships and judging bodybuilding contests don't come close to providing the satisfaction of being the biggest, leanest dude on stage.

If I've learned anything following this sport after all these years it's that we're not limited simply  by genetics, they work against every competitor. Let mighty Dan Hill be your guiding light, genetics, work ethic, and training matter little, drug protocol reigns supreme.

Skip the little shows, they're for small minded, weak willed gym tough guys. Telling people you competed in a NATIONAL level contest is far more impressive than winning a show among 3 people in an outlet mall. People at the gym and online will always remember you as a national competitor, just look at Goodrum.

Listen brother I've read your posts in that you've stated numerous times you have no interest of chasing the dream. Don't be like this. I'm offering you this vital advice, not because I care but because I need to post something, anything. I often treat getbig as my personal Facebook bodybuilding page.

Finally enjoy your life, it's short. Don't worry about helping your wife become a pro, have her set aside her dreams and goals for your pursuits. Sure shes a catch now, but  just wait 40 years. Learn from the elders here, women are a dime a dozen. You literally can be remarried numerous times. You can only chase my pro dreams for 30 years tops. Women and people change but the weights on the bar should only go up.

In closing I liked the story you shared about farting in the hotel room on your wife. Far jokes are a staple of any happy man.

Sincerely,

Distressed Howard
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 01:43:12 PM
YEAH.........HELL YEAH


After viewing your recent contest pics I've decided to tell you to go all in. Take it from me professional bodybuilding is an endeavor worth pursuing.  As you know legendary getbigger Howard still laments he never chased his dreams of thonged glory. Military service, advanced education/degrees,successful careers, relationships and judging bodybuilding contests don't come close to providing the satisfaction of being the biggest, leanest dude on stage.

If I've learned anything following this sport after all these years it's that we're not limited simply  by genetics, they work against every competitor. Let mighty Dan Hill be your guiding light, genetics, work ethic, and training matter little, drug protocol reigns supreme.

Skip the little shows, they're for small minded, weak willed gym tough guys. Telling people you competed in a NATIONAL level contest is far more impressive than winning a show among 3 people in an outlet mall. People at the gym and online will always remember you as a national competitor, just look at Goodrum.

Listen brother I've read your posts in that you've stated numerous times you have no interest of chasing the dream. Don't be like this. I'm offering you this vital advice, not because I care but because I need to post something, anything. I often treat getbig as my personal Facebook bodybuilding page.

Finally enjoy your life, it's short. Don't worry about helping your wife become a pro, have her set aside her dreams and goals for your pursuits. Sure shes a catch now, but  just wait 40 years. Learn from the elders here, women are a dime a dozen. You literally can be remarried numerous times. You can only chase my pro dreams for 30 years tops. Women and people change but the weights on the bar should only go up.

In closing I liked the story you shared about farting in the hotel room on your wife. Far jokes are a staple of any happy man.

Sincerely,

Distressed Howard
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: XFACTOR on April 02, 2015, 01:44:51 PM
Ok I think everyone is Navy Miked out, enough pictures dude
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: Howard on April 02, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
Wow , that was some read and yes I read it all. I trust in was meant as a joke, but here's my serious 2 cent reply

1. Most men/woman who compete in national contests, end up being "also rans".
They come out with their division, do a couple qtr turns and a quick call out comparison with others out of the top spots.
They don't  get to pose at the night show and quickly get sent to the sidelines . The promoter loves it as he collects the 250 buck entry fee from everyone on stage. I'd estimate at least 60% on the national stage are delusional or there for bragging rights.
I often wonder how many think they have a legit to win and go pro?

Smaller shows offer a lot more bang for the buck.
You are right on one thing however. Posting you are a "national competitor" is better bragging rights in forums and Facebook.

2.Mike has a lovely, intelligent wife. Having a woman like THAT loving you is better then winning any bodybuilding contest.
Title: Open letter to Naval Mike
Post by: MAXX on April 02, 2015, 01:45:02 PM
Girls and sons who have not been loved by their fathers seek attention once teens and adults to compensate for what they didnt have originally. Fathers either left them alone, or were distant most of the time and not encouraging them. Some even despised them which would shape their personality and the way they d interact with others for the rest of their life. They are extremistic in everything they do, always looking exageratly for attention, and have troubles adapting to society's rules, because they also have troubles defining their own identity and respecting authority and hierarchy.

Also boys who got picked on by others during childhood and adolescence -often sons without a father figure- try to compensate by lifting weights, to develop muscles and survive in ther male world. They re insecure because they re girly, childish, feminine having been raised by a single mom. They lift obsessively hoping it will transform them into men, to compensate for their lack of influence from a father figure that was not there. Unfortunaltey they can get as big as they can it doesnt cure their insecurity and who they truly are, how they grew up being raised by a single mom. They re no as manly as other men whatever they do, and they often have a big lack of masculine presence they dont know how to balance, hence often being borderline homosexuals while trying to get their manhood back thru various manly activities (mma, cars, weight lifting etc). They are often the ones that, in order to get respect from other males will go the steroids route to get even "bigger" attemptint to cure their insecurity , but being natural not being "enough", they still feel "too small", insecure, amongst other males. The lack of a father figure also often means they didnt have guidance to continue studies and are often working shitty manual jobs. You can dominate in life with studies, a good job that requires the use of all your best strenghts, which allows you to contribute fully to the specie that spawned you. By being successful socio professionnaly and by giving birth and raising happy individuals who will also contribute to mankind, to the specie. This is the benevolant, healhty way of contributing to mankind; you dominate by giving as much as you receive using your full potential. And then, there s everything else. The others main strategies of survival. For example, the uneducated loser with charisma linked to his muscles, who only exists because of his muscles, who only impress, dominate others with them. But to keep being respected -feared- and to keep impressing, the muscles must stay, and you want more, so at some point considering they re everything you have, you go the steroid route. No chance he gets an education, a good job, he didnt have a father to give him guidance, he s an atheist, he s an asshole, insecure about his own sexuality,so he survives in the gutters, the low part of the pyramid, can barely work a normal job and gets pissed by everything, always thinking about what he could have done if only his father actually invested in him, gave him soemthing instad of abandonning him. There you have it, the roots of good and evil, where it all starts for a male in the human specie. Who raises secure kids, sons and daughters, who contribute to society, and dont fall for all the extremes, traps? The hard working faithful man. You godamn motherfucking moron , how is the medical establishment responsible for fathers abandonning their kids , sons and daughters, who will barely survive depressed all life long ? How is the medical establishment responsible for that in the first place? You re confusing the order of things. You re ignorant. You must be young! Of course they re striving on other people who come from shity families psycho behavorial troubles, developing medications that dont even work or at best keep people asleep so they dont figure they ve been fucked in the ass by their own parents, genitors, who didnt have the decency to care enough about them after giving birth to them. Moral, spiritual decline is what leads to suffering in all human beings. If psychologists, psychanalysts exist nowadays, if most people try to find a meaning to their life in pseudo philosophies from Orient, if they need steroids, anti depressants, sleeping aids, thats because love is disapearing , because families are dysfunctional, and all of this is happening because the Words of God have been abandonned. All these bullshit pseudo medicaqtions full of side effects were developed  as religion was gradually abandonned , because people fell for all the traps of modernism, and lost faith. And all these jobs, all these ''docs'' are assholes who need mentally ill people to survive, to have a job, they strive on other people problems, they strive on the disapearing of love and they give bullshit solutions to their ''customers''. And they re the biggest atheists, the most anti christian assholes on earth, you connect the dots.This is the irony of the whole thing. Again, you fail to understand the order of things. You put the consequences before the causes, which is ilogical, and ignorant. Most human beings are only caring about what tomorow will be made of. Job. Dinner. Sex. TV, Internet, workout. Bed. We re designed to do so by evolution. Tomorow i can anticipate this, this, and that. And? And that's about it. That's how our brains work. Currently we all collectively know some major shit is going to hit the fan in some weeks, months. Yet we cant do anything about it individually speaking. We re just waiting for it to happen. Says a lot about our so called free will, our "power". We also know we re going to go thru something that alrdy happened in the past to our ancestors thanks to historians who wrote it all on paper so we can compare our current situation with theirs centuries ago. Yet we can t do shit about it even if we know it alrdy happened. We re as powerless as were our ancestors when they described the fall of the roman empire of occident. There can only be individuals solutions, no collective solutions. Nations dont exist anymore. Industrials, megacorporations use journalists , medias and politicians like pupets. And they are only following their own greed and dont give a single damn about the globalized mankind under them in the societal pyramid. They re only purpose in life is to stay at the top, and prevent people from lower positions to get to them and replace them. One can only decide to prepare himself and his loved ones to what s going to happen. He, she, cannot change the world. He cannot change the rules of nature.

He can only adapt, to survive...
Title: Re: Open letter to Naval Mike
Post by: ritch on April 02, 2015, 01:46:31 PM
If ever I do a show, will not post pics. Matter fact, will never take a pic of myself again to make sure it never ends up here, lol... You guys are f'in evil, lol...
Title: Re: Open letter to Naval Mike
Post by: Howard on April 02, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
LOL, I wonder how you would explain the reasons a man would use a penis pump?
Title: Re: Open letter to Naval Mike
Post by: Dave D on April 02, 2015, 01:48:29 PM
HAHAHAHA!
Title: Re: Open letter to Naval Mike
Post by: BDsauce on April 02, 2015, 01:56:54 PM
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Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 01:57:20 PM
No matter what fucking turn in life he choose to do, u cant tell the outcome! Probably he will be fucked no matter what!

Some probodybuilders regret their decisions, some dont.

A lot of people regret what they dident do yet they dont know shit how life would be if they did what they dident do. They base their thought about the imagination of how it would and COULD be. The reality is somethign different!



Yeah! Fuck off! Call me Yoda!



Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: Dave D on April 02, 2015, 02:00:16 PM
Howard

As I've stated before I think you're a good guy, just a bit different.  That said I enjoy your posts.  At times you're like a non angry Basile who didn't win a Canadian national title.
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: Howard on April 02, 2015, 02:00:31 PM
No we can't predict how everything will go in our life.
BUT, I'm pretty certain that jumping off a cliff won't end well.
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: Howard on April 02, 2015, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Dave D on April 02, 2015, 02:00:16 PM
Howard

As I've stated before I think you're a good guy, just a bit different.  That said I enjoy your posts.  At times you're like a non angry Basile who didn't win a Canadian national title.


You got me all wrong.
I'm angry  that I'm not Canadian and was never be allowed to compete for Mr Canada. :o
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: io856 on April 02, 2015, 02:04:46 PM
Lets ask the mayor of bodybuilding
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Jizmonkey on April 02, 2015, 02:14:43 PM
I don't mind the ones with his wife lying on the bed in the background. Just move over a bit Mike...

Strong looking physique.. not really homo
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: robcguns on April 02, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on April 02, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
Hey Mexican ceaser fuck off
That is a sick pic.competition pics look good,hands on hips prob the best or front double bi.Good job.brtter than most.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: MuscleDysmorphia on April 02, 2015, 02:17:41 PM
People are giving you shit because you have been coming off cocky.

You're not going pro. You will never place at nationals. Can you be competitive and win a local show eventually? Sure.

Do it as a hobby and just be satisfied with being bigger and leaner than 99.9% of the population.

And a little humility wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: njflex on April 02, 2015, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: robcguns on April 02, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
That is a sick pic.competition pics look good,hands on hips prob the best or front double bi.Good job.brtter than most.
HE WOULD HAVE WON A SMALLER SHOW OR 2 THEN DID THIS ONE TO CAP IT OFF FOR EXPERIENCE.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: _aj_ on April 02, 2015, 02:19:50 PM
Quote from: MuscleDysmorphia on April 02, 2015, 02:17:41 PM
People are giving you shit because you have been coming off cocky.

You're not going pro. You will never place at nationals. Can you be competitive and win a local show eventually? Sure.

Do it as a hobby and just be satisfied with being bigger and leaner than 99.9% of the population.

And a little humility wouldn't hurt.

I think that Mike comes off reasonably humble. He's honest about his shortcomings, laughs at himself with others, knows he's not going to win a Sandow. WTF, people? He actually trained and got up on stage, for that alone, he gets huge props.

Mike, you can PM me the naked physique pics of your wife. TIA.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Howard on April 02, 2015, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)






What make/model of toilet is that?
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: _aj_ on April 02, 2015, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: Howard on April 02, 2015, 02:20:42 PM
What make/model of toilet is that?

And now the pixel-studying of JC's bathroom pic begins...
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: robcguns on April 02, 2015, 02:22:33 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on April 02, 2015, 01:04:01 PM
You have the width and sholder development of a broomstick. I'm literally twice your size
hahahahahahhaha that was funny shit
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Howard on April 02, 2015, 02:23:26 PM
Quote from: njflex on April 02, 2015, 01:06:46 PM
mike I like your threads why can't you keep this rolling in the other ones.this is like 'hey another thread about me'just in case you forgot about the last one,,kinda howie ish....
No, not like me ...Mike's posting actual BB pics posing at a recent contest.
I only post pics from the 1909 Mr Podunk and/or retarded thread topics ;D
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Howard on April 02, 2015, 02:32:07 PM
Quote from: njflex on April 02, 2015, 01:19:49 PM
its good to get your feet wet but that also was a huge show,26 or so people in a class is like a jr usa/national even national class  ,,ok there not all top level like a 'national'level but the competitor numbers are there.it would have been better to do a tuneup show in novice class and open to collect some trophies and get looked at as a frontrunner,maybe even have snagged a overall novice trophy with the weight class.open is great,to compete open means you get chance to face some good builds at least top 5 depending how many show up...
,

Great advice there Navy Mike  ;)

Look buddy, anyone who ever competed thinks you looked decent ,but:
1 Regardless of muscle mass, you could have been more ripped and you already know that.

2. You need to compete in top condition and dominate in a smaller contest or novice class before doing another big show.

3. You're a vet coming off an injury. That's your reality .

4. You can get ripped to the bone. You will get ripped to the bone IF the passion and desire is there.

Thanks for taking the time to post your pics and having the balls to do it.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: SF1900 on April 02, 2015, 03:01:05 PM
Damn, NM, you looked good in the hotel, not so good on stage. But props for getting up there.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: hardgainerj on April 02, 2015, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)





Quote from: Navy_Mike on April 02, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
Hey Mexican ceaser fuck off
why dont you two faggs show your cocks already
Title: Re: Open letter to Naval Mike
Post by: Kwon_2 on April 02, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
YEAH.........HELL YEAH


After viewing your recent contest pics I've decided to tell you to go all in. Take it from me professional bodybuilding is an endeavor worth pursuing.  As you know legendary getbigger Howard still laments he never chased his dreams of thonged glory. Military service, advanced education/degrees,successful careers, relationships and judging bodybuilding contests don't come close to providing the satisfaction of being the biggest, leanest dude on stage.

If I've learned anything following this sport after all these years it's that we're not limited simply  by genetics, they work against every competitor. Let mighty Dan Hill be your guiding light, genetics, work ethic, and training matter little, drug protocol reigns supreme.

Skip the little shows, they're for small minded, weak willed gym tough guys. Telling people you competed in a NATIONAL level contest is far more impressive than winning a show among 3 people in an outlet mall. People at the gym and online will always remember you as a national competitor, just look at Goodrum.

Listen brother I've read your posts in that you've stated numerous times you have no interest of chasing the dream. Don't be like this. I'm offering you this vital advice, not because I care but because I need to post something, anything. I often treat getbig as my personal Facebook bodybuilding page.

Finally enjoy your life, it's short. Don't worry about helping your wife become a pro, have her set aside her dreams and goals for your pursuits. Sure shes a catch now, but  just wait 40 years. Learn from the elders here, women are a dime a dozen. You literally can be remarried numerous times. You can only chase my pro dreams for 30 years tops. Women and people change but the weights on the bar should only go up.

In closing I liked the story you shared about farting in the hotel room on your wife. Far jokes are a staple of any happy man.

Sincerely,

H
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: dkorman on April 02, 2015, 03:55:47 PM
Another 10 weeks of dieting and you would have looked decent, and been a MW.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: ritch on April 02, 2015, 04:06:10 PM
what killed you were the back shots. Glutes were way too soft and lower back carried a lot of water. Not gonna say you need to get leaner as you already know this but need to really get lean for the next show. Should not have happened with a guru, no excuses to defend him.

Do you have any back shots showing you were lean the days before the show? Don't recal any...

I'd stop delt training until you catch up the rest.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: _aj_ on April 02, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
My unrequested and ignorant $0.02:

Drop the dose to 500/week.
Train smart
Get a real job
Spend every other available moment pleasing your wife any which way she wants.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 02, 2015, 05:02:53 PM
Quote from: _aj_ on April 02, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
My unrequested and ignorant $0.02:

Drop the dose to 500/week.
Train smart
Get a real job
Spend every other available moment pleasing your wife any which way she wants.


Good post
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: akers1021 on April 02, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on April 02, 2015, 01:00:29 PM
Hey Mexican ceaser fuck off

Who give a shit about him look at that fine ass on the bed!! Great job bro on that  ;D
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Marty Champions on April 02, 2015, 05:45:46 PM
Isnt navy mike 6'7  ???
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Competitor 9 on April 02, 2015, 05:47:20 PM
Quote from: ritch on April 02, 2015, 04:06:10 PM
what killed you were the back shots. Glutes were way too soft and lower back carried a lot of water. Not gonna say you need to get leaner as you already know this but need to really get lean for the next show. Should not have happened with a guru, no excuses to defend him.

Do you have any back shots showing you were lean the days before the show? Don't recal any...

I'd stop delt training until you catch up the rest.

Well my glutes where no shreeded that where I all my fat was so when I spilled over guys where it all went? This is how much you can change in 24hrs
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: WalterWhite on April 02, 2015, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: _aj_ on April 02, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
My unrequested and ignorant $0.02:

Drop the dose to 500/week.
Train smart
Get a real job
Spend every other available moment pleasing your wife any which way she wants.


Agree with AJ totally and we've discussed this. Serving your country will open many doors especially if you finish your education. BB can always be a hobby as powerlifting was for me.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: ritch on April 02, 2015, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on April 02, 2015, 05:47:20 PM
Well my glutes where no shreeded that where I all my fat was so when I spilled over guys where it all went? This is how much you can change in 24hrs

well shit, I do see the spill over now. Anyway, easy for us to say "should have done xyz"...
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Competitor 9 on April 02, 2015, 05:55:17 PM
Quote from: ritch on April 02, 2015, 05:51:10 PM
well shit, I do see the spill over now. Anyway, easy for us to say "should have done xyz"...

Lol ya it's unfortunate but to be honest let's say I came in looking like that. I might have made 2nd call out instead of 3rd. It is what it is. I know now what not to do. So I got that lesson learned early instead of it happening next time. 
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: forillagorilla on April 02, 2015, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)






Dude - you can't honestly think your legs look good?? They look like a marathon runner - lol
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: calfzilla on April 02, 2015, 06:44:22 PM
I also have noticed that navy Mike has pro level genetics. I honestly feel he is genetically elite and could turn pro in as little as 2-3 years. Would probably only round out top 10 in the olympia if lucky but may have a shot at winning some smaller Grand Prix shows. I suggest he hop on a pro level cycle including 10-22 iu of gh and insulin to help shuttle the nutrients into the muscle.
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: SF1900 on April 02, 2015, 06:54:37 PM
Quote from: calfzilla on April 02, 2015, 06:44:22 PM
I also have noticed that navy Mike has pro level genetics. I honestly feel he is genetically elite and could turn pro in as little as 2-3 years. Would probably only round out top 10 in the olympia if lucky but may have a shot at winning some smaller Grand Prix shows. I suggest he hop on a pro level cycle including 10-22 iu of gh and insulin to help shuttle the nutrients into the muscle. Dialysis.

Fixed.
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: calfzilla on April 02, 2015, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: SF1900 on April 02, 2015, 06:54:37 PM
Fixed.

 :-X

Due to a pre existing hereditary kidney problem?
Title: Re: An open letter to Navy Mike
Post by: SF1900 on April 02, 2015, 07:00:56 PM
Quote from: calfzilla on April 02, 2015, 06:58:25 PM
:-X

Due to a pre existing hereditary kidney problem?

Yes, if NM has to ever go on dialysis, we will hear from his wife and family that he had a rare genetic condition that he was unaware of and the steroids has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: bigmikecox on April 03, 2015, 12:28:53 PM
Quote from: Julio Ceasar on April 02, 2015, 12:54:09 PM
U have never had any splits in your legs...dont lie! Cut the bullxrap about spilling over last two days...

This is is split and this is how my legs look offseason all year round for 15 years+ no drugs!  :)






do you even lift bro???  Id jump off a bridge if my legs were that small after 15 yrs!  HELLO....SQUAT
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Howard on April 03, 2015, 02:22:06 PM
Quote from: SF1900 on April 02, 2015, 03:01:05 PM
Damn, NM, you looked good in the hotel, not so good on stage. But props for getting up there.

Hmmm, did you say he looks BETTER posing in a hotel room?  :o

That has SCHMOE written all over it!!!!
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Howard on April 03, 2015, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on April 02, 2015, 05:55:17 PM
Lol ya it's unfortunate but to be honest let's say I came in looking like that. I might have made 2nd call out instead of 3rd. It is what it is. I know now what not to do. So I got that lesson learned early instead of it happening next time. 

Here's the truth. That guru based "peaking" nonsense cost you $$ only to make you look worse on stage.
Next time avoid using any guru/coach and just go in "as is".

FYI, you made some impressive gains compared to where you started .
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: njflex on April 03, 2015, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: Howard on April 03, 2015, 02:26:27 PM
Here's the truth. That guru based "peaking" nonsense cost you $$ only to make you look worse on stage.
Next time avoid using any guru/coach and just go in "as is".

FYI, you made some impressive gains compared to where you started .

i would hope so ...trained/dieted /cycled accordingly...voila...ma gic...
Title: Re: NPC Phil Heath Classic - Stage Pics
Post by: No Patience on April 03, 2015, 02:55:18 PM
great job Navy Mike...fuck the haters

best physique i have ever seen? no, but you worked your ass off and made yourself better...that is what matters
Title: Re: NPC Phil Heath Classic - Stage Pics
Post by: lilhawk1 on April 03, 2015, 03:40:45 PM
You shouldn't need a guru period.  It's not rocket science.  You weren't lean enough, you have another 10-15 pounds to lose.  What you thought was water, was actually fat.  My guess is you also used a diuretic, which just makes you look worse.  These gurus just rip people off, most of them don't know shit themselves.  You need more thickness everywhere.  Deadlift, squat, etc.  not being a dick, but you have no back, or legs.  You have delts.  Everything else, not so much.  For this show, to be shredded, you should have been a Middleweight.
Title: Re: NPC Phil Heath Classic - Stage Pics
Post by: wes on April 03, 2015, 04:21:57 PM
(http://cdn3.volusion.com/no4tr.u43q3/v/vspfiles/photos/DE332735-2T.jpg)
Title: Re: NPC Phil Heath Classic - Stage Pics
Post by: J. Richards on April 03, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
NM...    hats off for coming back from injury and giving it a shot....  great learning experience...  and the scale.... no thanks,,,,  they don't weigh competitors on stage and mark their scorecards...  takes a few competitions to get shit right anyway.    "not enough tanner"...... "too flat"... blah blah....  3rd time I listened to friends who said I looked great a week before...  (like you did).   so i didn't change a thing the last week,,,, no water or carb games the last 24 hours...... came in full, had cuts and some vascularity.... easy win.... trained on Monday like usual......   I know everyone's different....   work on weak areas and have fun with it.... Semper Fi
Title: Re: NPC Phil Heath Classic - Stage Pics
Post by: Howard on April 03, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
Quote from: J. Richards on April 03, 2015, 04:44:20 PM
NM...    hats off for coming back from injury and giving it a shot....  great learning experience...  and the scale.... no thanks,,,,  they don't weigh competitors on stage and mark their scorecards...  takes a few competitions to get shit right anyway.    "not enough tanner"...... "too flat"... blah blah....  3rd time I listened to friends who said I looked great a week before...  (like you did).   so i didn't change a thing the last week,,,, no water or carb games the last 24 hours...... came in full, had cuts and some vascularity.... easy win.... trained on Monday like usual......   I know everyone's different....   work on weak areas and have fun with it.... Semper Fi
Great practical advice!
Title: Re: Phil heath classic stage pics
Post by: Howard on April 06, 2015, 10:44:46 AM
Quote from: Navy_Mike on April 02, 2015, 05:55:17 PM
Lol ya it's unfortunate but to be honest let's say I came in looking like that. I might have made 2nd call out instead of 3rd. It is what it is. I know now what not to do. So I got that lesson learned early instead of it happening next time. 

Your example made me realize some important but of forgotten aspect of competitive bodybuilding.
The sport of BB was/is never perfect when it comes to contests.
BUT, you're either on stage flexing or out watching from the cheap seats.

Far more personal satisfaction to go for it, regardless of how you place.