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Since most of you guys are either former spec ops with extensive firearms training or otherwise distinguished marksmen and I'm about to get my first gun (fucking hassle over here), I wanted your take on what the best match handgun (i.e. for the sole purpose of shooting for precision/sports) would be. Ideally I'm looking for something with a 6" barrel with polygonal rifling, and it should be available at a reasonable price. Let's face it, I'm probably not going to compete, so sinking $3000+ into a custom gun doesn't seem reasonable.
Currently looking at a used Les Baer Custom 1911 (~$1550) and a CZ 75 (customized by a company named Pro Tuning, ~$2000, which is also about the most I am willing to shell out). In the race are also the H&K USP Elite and a number of RBF Custom 1911s.
BB related: Because of the new anti doping legislation in this country (PEDs being criminalized) I can't have anabolics orders seized anymore or I'll be at risk of losing my permit & guns
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A cocked and locked 1911 platform is not a good beginner/first gun in terms of safety. A tricked out target colt clone isn't a gun that you would carry in the real world.
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Kimber... if you can afford it.
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A cocked and locked 1911 platform is not a good beginner/first gun in terms of safety. A tricked out target colt clone isn't a gun that you would carry in the real world.
Most retarded post ever. How is that not safe?
To fire a cocked and locked 1911 you have to take off the thumb safety, engage the grip safety and pull the trigger. 3 step process.
Compare that to a striker fired gun such as a Glock...
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Kimber... if you can afford it.
Meh... people that think Kimbers are the cat's ass, are noobs in the gun world.
They have too many plastic parts in their 1911s mainspring housing, mag release...etc. Which to me is a downside vs metal parts.
Also their reliability for what they cost $900-$1500 isn't there. Read the forums. My buddy bought one and loves it, but each time we go shooting the gun malfunctions way too often.
For the best price and quality Sig Sauer 1911s are the way to go. Their higher end models made in their custom shops come hand fitted. Matched frame and slide fit, dehorned, ...etc etc.
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Meh... people that think Kimbers are the cat's ass, are noobs in the gun world.
They have too many plastic parts in their 1911s mainspring housing, mag release...etc. Which to me is a downside vs metal parts.
Also their reliability for what they cost $900-$1500 isn't there. Read the forums. My buddy bought one and loves it, but each time we go shooting the gun malfunctions way too often.
For the best price and quality Sig Sauer 1911s are the way to go. Their higher end models made in their custom shops come hand fitted. Matched frame and slide fit, dehorned, ...etc etc.
Excuse my ignorance Mr Gun guru.
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Since most of you guys are either former spec ops with extensive firearms training or otherwise distinguished marksmen and I'm about to get my first gun (fucking hassle over here), I wanted your take on what the best match handgun (i.e. for the sole purpose of shooting for precision/sports) would be. Ideally I'm looking for something with a 6" barrel with polygonal rifling, and it should be available at a reasonable price. Let's face it, I'm probably not going to compete, so sinking $3000+ into a custom gun doesn't seem reasonable.
Currently looking at a used Les Baer Custom 1911 (~$1550) and a CZ 75 (customized by a company named Pro Tuning, ~$2000, which is also about the most I am willing to shell out). In the race are also the H&K USP Elite and a number of RBF Custom 1911s.
BB related: Because of the new anti doping legislation in this country (PEDs being criminalized) I can't have anabolics orders seized anymore or I'll be at risk of losing my permit & guns
I will suggest something on the 1911 base BUT go for a staggered magazine: 12+1 is better than 7 (in the pic one of my guns+ .38 bullets we use for snakes lolz)
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Another gun thread! I'll start:
"Meh...bunch of gun terms to prove I've spent more time reading about handguns than everyone else and am therefore way more awesome."
Also, "your gun statements prove you're not a real gun buff like me"
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Since most of you guys are either former spec ops with extensive firearms training or otherwise distinguished marksmen and I'm about to get my first gun (fucking hassle over here), I wanted your take on what the best match handgun (i.e. for the sole purpose of shooting for precision/sports) would be. Ideally I'm looking for something with a 6" barrel with polygonal rifling, and it should be available at a reasonable price. Let's face it, I'm probably not going to compete, so sinking $3000+ into a custom gun doesn't seem reasonable.
Currently looking at a used Les Baer Custom 1911 (~$1550) and a CZ 75 (customized by a company named Pro Tuning, ~$2000, which is also about the most I am willing to shell out). In the race are also the H&K USP Elite and a number of RBF Custom 1911s.
BB related: Because of the new anti doping legislation in this country (PEDs being criminalized) I can't have anabolics orders seized anymore or I'll be at risk of losing my permit & guns
If it's your first handgun, just get a G21 or an XD. They're cheap, durable, reliable, user friendly, and there's a huge market for custom parts. No expensive, custom gun is going to make you a better shooter. Only learning the basics, time and practice will do that.
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Wilson Combat CQB best .45 I have ever shot
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Check mate.
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Check mate.
Sexy
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Most retarded post ever. How is that not safe?
To fire a cocked and locked 1911 you have to take off the thumb safety, engage the grip safety and pull the trigger. 3 step process.
Compare that to a striker fired gun such as a Glock...
You didn't go very well in school I take it. I said it's not a good gun for beginner and I stand by that. It is a safe gun for an experience trained shooter. I have carried a hand gun for 34 years. In the hands of the inexperience in a pressure situation you have a cocked gun with the safety off with a short travel trigger pull. I am not a fan of a Glock but it's safe if you practice trigger control.
How many major police departments carry a 1911 platform? Even the majority of the military carry a Beretta or a Sig double/single action.
I do agree with you that Kimbers have quality control issues. Two guys I know bought them and they couldn't get a magazine off without a jam.
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You didn't go very well in school I take it. I said it's not a good gun for beginner and I stand by that. It is a safe gun for an experience trained shooter. I have carried a hand gun for 34 years. In the hands of the inexperience in a pressure situation you have a cocked gun with the safety off with a short travel trigger pull. I am not a fan of a Glock but it's safe if you practice trigger control.
How many major police departments carry a 1911 platform? Even the majority of the military carry a Beretta or a Sig double/single action.
I do agree with you that Kimbers have quality control issues. Two guys I know bought them and they couldn't get a magazine off without a jam.
Just to specify:
Shooting in this country works like this:
1. Go to range
2. Load gun once you're in your lane
3. Release sled once you're aiming at the target
4. Only ever pick up gun when you're about to fire
Safety concerns are not a thing at all. I'm not gonna carry it. Most match guns here don't even have a safety.
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.45 is an expensive caliber to shoot. Unless you just love 1911 style find something in .40 like a Sig P229 or M&P 40. Cheaper so you'll shoot more often.
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s&w
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Guns are loud and smelly and it hurts my hand when I pull the trigger.
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You didn't go very well in school I take it. I said it's not a good gun for beginner and I stand by that. It is a safe gun for an experience trained shooter. I have carried a hand gun for 34 years. In the hands of the inexperience in a pressure situation you have a cocked gun with the safety off with a short travel trigger pull. I am not a fan of a Glock but it's safe if you practice trigger control.
How many major police departments carry a 1911 platform? Even the majority of the military carry a Beretta or a Sig double/single action.
I do agree with you that Kimbers have quality control issues. Two guys I know bought them and they couldn't get a magazine off without a jam.
The part about police departments is funny... You probably know a few cops as do I. Cops suck at shooting & the ones I know only shoot to qualify. Most cops never Fire a round in their careers on a call. So the part where you say about what cops carry, doesn't mean jack.
Fact is that most departments prefer polymer guns due to weight, cheap cost vs 1911 & ammo capacity & most people can't handle 45acp recoil enough to be effective shooters.
I like 1911s. Have owned a few over the years. But there are guns I like to shoot more like Springfield XD & Sig P series.
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Kimber... if you can afford it.
YUP!
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I rather like the feel of the new longslide .45 from Glock, the 41:
(http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Glock-41.jpg)
Of course, I have been competing with and carrying Glocks for almost 2 decades now, so I am used to the platform and the feel. YMMV.
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I rather like the feel of the new longslide .45 from Glock, the 41:
(http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Glock-41.jpg)
Of course, I have been competing with and carrying Glocks for almost 2 decades now, so I am used to the platform and the feel. YMMV.
Glock make excellent guns, reliable and sturdy. My 9mm was still excellent after approx 250.000 rounds (which for me was a little over a year use during the competing years). One day at the shooting range started sending all rounds top-right...gun dead...
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Glock make excellent guns, reliable and sturdy. My 9mm was still excellent after approx 250.000 rounds (which for me was a little over a year use during the competing years). One day at the shooting range started sending all rounds top-right...gun dead...
What do you mean, "gun dead?" Sounds more like bad ammo or (unlikely) barrel erosion. New Glock barrels are like $125.
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What do you mean, "gun dead?" Sounds more like bad ammo or (unlikely) barrel erosion. New Glock barrels are like $125.
No bad ammo, I reloaded personally.
The problem was the slide: near the window for the explusion (sorry for bad English) a cut of approx 1 inch was evident.
Wish I have a picture but at that time mobile phones didn't have cameras!
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No bad ammo, I reloaded personally.
The problem was the slide: near the window for the explusion (sorry for bad English) a cut of approx 1 inch was evident.
Wish I have a picture but at that time mobile phones didn't have cameras!
Ejector port.
So the slide was damaged and not the barrel? If the gun could lock-up into battery, I am not sure how a damaged slide could affect accuracy.
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exactly like you said, gun could lock-up but send all rounds top-right.
Still one of the best guns I ever had.
Then started to train hoping to took part in Bianchi Cup, so I started demolishing 586 and 686
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exactly like you said, gun could lock-up but send all rounds top-right.
Still one of the best guns I ever had.
Then started to train hoping to took part in Bianchi Cup, so I started demolishing 586 and 686
Started running the wheel guns? A little Jerry Miculek?
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Started running the wheel guns? A little Jerry Miculek?
Yes, I saw him on tv late at night and was so incredible seeing him in action.
So a week after I sold my GP-100 and S&W 27 and got two 586!
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Yes, I saw him on tv late at night and was so incredible seeing him in action.
So a week after I sold my GP-100 and S&W 27 and got two 586!
He's a trip. I saw him in action at a IDPA regional match. He was doing some incredible trick shooting.
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Yes, I saw him on tv late at night and was so incredible seeing him in action.
So a week after I sold my GP-100 and S&W 27 and got two 586!
Why did you sell your GP100?
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Awww...
a thread full of republicans eager to murder Obanga's extended family! :o
Bad joke aside...
Why would someone, average dude not gun fiend, buy a 0.45 instead of a smaller caliber - has it to do with stopping power?
Can a small caliber penetrate a leather jacket?
Is a shotgun, 2 barrel not pump action, sufficient for self defense?
Has one of you ever used his/her gun in self defense?
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Why would someone, average dude not gun fiend, buy a 0.45 instead of a smaller caliber - has it to do with stopping power? Generally, yes.
Can a small caliber penetrate a leather jacket? Generally, yes.
Is a shotgun, 2 barrel not pump action, sufficient for self defense? Two rounds isn't really good enough for a SD weapon
Has one of you ever used his/her gun in self defense? No comment
Inline.
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Id defo go with a 45 just for the power of the round. It does serious damage and if.you.only hit your target once or twice you want your shots to count.
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Id defo go with a 45 just for the power of the round. It does serious damage and if.you.only hit your target once or twice you want your shots to count.
Believe it or not, but with quality modern self-defense ammo (like Critical Defense, Gold Dot, etc), the 9mm round really does approach the "knockdown" power of the .45ACP without the added weight of the ammo and the extra recoil.
There is probably no better package on the market right now for price, reliability, capacity and quality than the Glock 19 (9mm)
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Thanks for your input _AJ_ - guns have always fascinated me.
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Why did you sell your GP100?
because it was agonizing at that point. Sold it to an old man who is still using it.
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Awww...
a thread full of republicans eager to murder Obanga's extended family! :o
Bad joke aside...
Why would someone, average dude not gun fiend, buy a 0.45 instead of a smaller caliber - has it to do with stopping power?
Can a small caliber penetrate a leather jacket?
Is a shotgun, 2 barrel not pump action, sufficient for self defense?
Has one of you ever used his/her gun in self defense?
I'm not buying this gun for self defense or shooting at anything other than paper targets at 25+y range. Hence the question for match weapons. I live in a country with rather restrictive gun laws by the way. Only time your allowed to leave your house with a gun is on your way to the gun range and back (and well, obviously transportation when you buy it/have something customized, but whenever you do, you have to have it in a locked case in your trunk, don't even think about carrying).
Pretty sure I'll go with the customized CZ 97 Sport. H&K USP Elite is a plastic fucking piece of shit. Les Baer is way too expensive (3000+€ range over here). Kimber Gold Match II is still in the race, and so are a combined handful of guns from STI and 2 or 3 different custom gun makers over here. Was thinking about a Tanfoglio Gold Match, but I hear their guns are made with a lot of Southern European work ethic.
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Having two Tanfoglio in the past I can only speak well of their job.
Excellent guns with good price also here in Italy.
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ENJOY...
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because it was agonizing at that point. Sold it to an old man who is still using it.
Why was it agonizing? I thought they were good handguns? ???
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I'm not buying this gun for self defense or shooting at anything other than paper targets at 25+y range. Hence the question for match weapons. I live in a country with rather restrictive gun laws by the way. Only time your allowed to leave your house with a gun is on your way to the gun range and back (and well, obviously transportation when you buy it/have something customized, but whenever you do, you have to have it in a locked case in your trunk, don't even think about carrying).
Pretty sure I'll go with the customized CZ 97 Sport. H&K USP Elite is a plastic fucking piece of shit. Les Baer is way too expensive (3000+€ range over here). Kimber Gold Match II is still in the race, and so are a combined handful of guns from STI and 2 or 3 different custom gun makers over here. Was thinking about a Tanfoglio Gold Match, but I hear their guns are made with a lot of Southern European work ethic.
LOL, I just got back from walking the dogs while open carrying in a drop-leg holster. Nobody cares.
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I would stand clear of
Mimber's
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I would stand clear of Mimber's
LOL.
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I hate guns
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I hate guns
Guns hate you.
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I hate guns
Odd. How can you hate inanimate objects? Do you also hate knives, or are they the little satan to the big bad gun?
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Awww...
a thread full of republicans eager to murder Obanga's extended family! :o
Bad joke aside...
Why would someone, average dude not gun fiend, buy a 0.45 instead of a smaller caliber - has it to do with stopping power?
Can a small caliber penetrate a leather jacket?
Is a shotgun, 2 barrel not pump action, sufficient for self defense?
Has one of you ever used his/her gun in self defense?
smaller caliber you have to worry more about over penetration... such as the bullet passing through more walls. larger bullet = larger surface area to dump energy into the first target it hits.
personally I love the 1911 and the .45 caliber in general. the odds of you needing more than 7 or 8 rounds in a 'situation' are slim, so a single stack 1911 will suit most folks just fine. besides, the single stack feels great in the hand.
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Odd. How can you hate inanimate objects? Do you also hate knives, or are they the little satan to the big bad gun?
What is so cool about having a gun? Yes I hate sharp objects also.
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What is so cool about having a gun? Yes I hate sharp objects also.
There's nothing "cool" about it. It's a tool, nothing more.
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Why was it agonizing? I thought they were good handguns? ???
Ruger makes excellent guns, it was agonizing since I used it a lot (200.000 plus rounds shooted ).
I sold the GP100 but kept my Super Redhawk .44 since I use it less.
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smaller caliber you have to worry more about over penetration... such as the bullet passing through more walls. larger bullet = larger surface area to dump energy into the first target it hits.
personally I love the 1911 and the .45 caliber in general. the odds of you needing more than 7 or 8 rounds in a 'situation' are slim, so a single stack 1911 will suit most folks just fine. besides, the single stack feels great in the hand.
Agree, no need to put in danger someone on the other side of a wall if you're considering defense of your home.
45 has a great stopping power and is less dangerous as far as penetration is concerned. Also love how the single stack feels but I buy a staggered one
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;D go big or go home... this is my weapon of choice.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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;D go big or go home... this is my weapon of choice.... ::) ::) ::) ::)
A crew-served Civil War gatling gun? At least go modern with a GE Minigun.
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Minigun_2.JPG)
It's "transferable", which means that US civilians can own this particular gun. It's cyclic rate is about 3000 rounds per minute and it's listed for $215K
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A crew-served Civil War gatling gun? At least go modern with a GE Minigun.
(http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Minigun_2.JPG)
It's "transferable", which means that US civilians can own this particular gun. It's cyclic rate is about 3000 rounds per minute and it's listed for $215K
good call.... :D :D :D :D :D
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5 x 10^-2 shots per millisecond... roughly the rate that Saddam used to fire his 1911 colt at joyful festivities.