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Title: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2006, 11:49:52 AM
Let's dispel the myth that Dexter has an excellent structure (worthy of being compared to Shawn's for example), or that he has no gut, or that he is somehow more symmetrical than Ronnie Coleman.  I think these pictures speak for themselves.

He is one of the more overrated pros out there in that he  gets credit for everything.  His conditioning is easily among the top five or 10 in the history of bodybuilding.  It wouldn't be a stretch to compare his level of conditioning to greats like Andreas Munzer and Rich Gaspari.  But to say he has an aesthetically pleasing shape or proportions straight out of the 1970s?  Not a chance.  Ronnie at 300 pounds has a superior structure.

I don't recall Ronnie having a gut like this at anything under 260 pounds.

(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/2.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/3.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/4.JPG)
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2006, 11:51:05 AM
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/5.JPG)

(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/6.JPG)
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Dan-O on February 25, 2006, 11:57:43 AM
Let's dispel the myth that Dexter has an excellent structure (worthy of being compared to Shawn's for example), or that he has no gut, or that he is somehow more symmetrical than Ronnie Coleman.  I think these pictures speak for themselves.

He is one of the more overrated pros out there in that he  gets credit for everything.  His conditioning is easily among the top five or 10 in the history of bodybuilding.  It wouldn't be a stretch to compare his level of conditioning to greats like Andreas Munzer and Rich Gaspari.  But to say he has an aesthetically pleasing shape or proportions straight out of the 1970s?  Not a chance.  Ronnie at 300 pounds has a superior structure.

I don't recall Ronnie having a gut like this at anything under 260 pounds.

(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/2.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/3.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/4.JPG)

Concur.  Some people equate being smaller (under 240 lbs.) with being "symmetrical" when that is not necessarily the case.  Dex does have sick conditioning but far from the best structure or proportions out there today.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2006, 12:00:01 PM
Exactly.  Let's give Dexter credit where credit is due - for his unreal conditioning and muscle density.

But pose for pose, I could get screencaps of him next to Ronnie and I really don't see how anyone can argue he is equal in structure to Ronnie, let alone better.

As far as I know, NarcissisticDeity had him pegged as the 2003 Mr. Olympia winner.   ???  Once again reducing his credibility.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Farcry on February 25, 2006, 12:04:52 PM
he is a smaller version of ronnie coleman just with better abs
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Stavios on February 25, 2006, 12:07:49 PM
actually I had dexter winning the O in 2004. Ronnie looked like shit that year, so did jay.
But in 2003, anybody who say ronnie shouldn't have win is a fool
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2006, 12:08:47 PM
he is a smaller version of ronnie coleman just with better abs
Exactly.  The ironage standard is kind of hard for me to understand at times.  Ronnie can literally beat 100% of the competition in 90% of the mandatory poses, blow them all away in muscularity and conditioning, and only because he has a gut and doesn't look as good in the relaxed pose, he should be placed dead last.
Explain to me how Dexter even comes close to Ronnie in this picture?   ??? ???
Oh right, he doesn't.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Stavios on February 25, 2006, 12:12:15 PM
they look the same in that pic, ronnie is just bigger. He has dexter beat in that pose but the overall shape of ronnie in 2004 wasn't great. front the front he looked really watery.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2006, 12:27:15 PM
Ronnie was watery, but only by his own standards...compared to previous versions of Ronnie, he was watery.  But on an absolute scale, he was still shredded.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Matt on February 25, 2006, 12:29:57 PM
Another.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Stavios on February 25, 2006, 12:34:40 PM
yeah he look better than what I remembered of the show.
But you have to agree with me that dexter should have beat jay and gustavo at that show
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Disgusted on February 25, 2006, 12:58:08 PM
Who cares, he's hard as nails.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: brianX on February 25, 2006, 01:21:59 PM
Ronnie at his prime makes Dexter look like an amateur.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 25, 2006, 02:19:39 PM
I never claimed he should have won in 03 , I said hand the title down to the next guy with NO gut , go as far down as you need to , I've aknowleged Dex has a gut , old news !! either way look at this years O top 3 all had a gut and all should have been placed dead last , in my opinion .
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Tigerman on February 25, 2006, 04:36:08 PM
Maybe it was bad photos or I don't know what but I met Jay Cutler about a week ago and I did not see any gut so I don't know what all the commotion is about his midsection.  Just stating what I saw.
On stage the gut is more visible because of the carb load.
To ND, so in your opinion MR O. 2005 is Gunther, am I correct?
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: candidate2025 on February 25, 2006, 04:51:41 PM
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Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: gettinhuge on February 25, 2006, 04:54:02 PM
Let's dispel the myth that Dexter has an excellent structure (worthy of being compared to Shawn's for example), or that he has no gut, or that he is somehow more symmetrical than Ronnie Coleman.  I think these pictures speak for themselves.
He is one of the more overrated pros out there in that he  gets credit for everything.  His conditioning is easily among the top five or 10 in the history of bodybuilding.  It wouldn't be a stretch to compare his level of conditioning to greats like Andreas Munzer and Rich Gaspari.  But to say he has an aesthetically pleasing shape or proportions straight out of the 1970s?  Not a chance.  Ronnie at 300 pounds has a superior structure.
I don't recall Ronnie having a gut like this at anything under 260 pounds.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/2.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/3.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/4.JPG)
OK firstly do you know what having a gut is and having what is clearly highly developed abdominal muscles.....When Ronnie is on gut management its bloated, tell me when you ever seen line division and detail in abs such as dexter...if your gutting like most GH user your waist will expaned as well, look at the small waist dexter displays. granted his abs are very devolped but to define it as a gut is the wrong call.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: shutupandtrain88 on February 25, 2006, 04:57:59 PM
Exactly.  The ironage standard is kind of hard for me to understand at times.  Ronnie can literally beat 100% of the competition in 90% of the mandatory poses, blow them all away in muscularity and conditioning, and only because he has a gut and doesn't look as good in the relaxed pose, he should be placed dead last.
Explain to me how Dexter even comes close to Ronnie in this picture?   ??? ???
Oh right, he doesn't.

why is dexters right calf smaller flexed, than his left calf?










yea yea the lighting, but where are they?
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Parker on February 25, 2006, 07:31:21 PM
Take a look at Flex in his Mass Construction video, on his chest workout he was trying to suck in his gut...and it was a few days AFTER the 1996 Olympia. He was preggers there.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on February 25, 2006, 07:36:58 PM
Matt i completely agree with you.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Matt C on February 25, 2006, 11:35:27 PM
Matt i completely agree with you.

Thanks bro.  I don't really "get" Dexter's praise.  I just see him as an incredibly conditioned athlete.  I don't see the other strengths people speak of.  Great arms though, as well as other individual bodyparts, but he is no sultan of symmetry.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: body88 on February 26, 2006, 12:11:45 AM
gettinhuge are you slow?



His sharp defined abs are clearly sitting on top of a DISTENDED STOMACH.

take a look at s ray's midsection





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Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Hulkster on February 26, 2006, 07:34:26 PM
There are some screencaps on Matt C.'s site from the 99 English Grand Prix that shows Dexter had a fairly large gut even back then. However, those pics were not in the current thread about that contest on the site, so I couldn't find them.
As far as Ronnie not being deserving in 03 because he had a gut, I don't agree.
Guts are a problem, but when the winner obliterates everyone else in literally every mandatory pose that should not be negated simply because of a gut when relaxed. 2003 was one of the most uncontroversial contests in history.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Oliver Klaushof on February 26, 2006, 08:53:27 PM
Dexter Jackson is overrated.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: youandme on February 27, 2006, 10:36:24 AM
The whole gut thing is over rated, most of these guys over fill while loading, and get stomach distention, we know of gh gut but when loading goes bad it blows it, it's all genetics to and how much your body can assimilate at one sitting. But dex does not have gh gut bro
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Topskin69 on August 09, 2009, 07:48:18 AM
 
Epic Re-Bump! Dexter is one of the most overrated BBs in history...

M!
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: affeman on August 09, 2009, 08:02:00 AM
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Honestly I've Dexter ahead.

Ronnies imbalance was already visible back then, left side already way behind. Dexter has more back details and probably the best symmetry in the game, like a fucking mirror image left to ride side.

Ronnie is taller and a lil bigger, pd for pd it's not even that much.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: sculpture on August 09, 2009, 09:13:35 AM
I never claimed he should have won in 03 , I said hand the title down to the next guy with NO gut , go as far down as you need to , I've aknowleged Dex has a gut , old news !! either way look at this years O top 3 all had a gut and all should have been placed dead last , in my opinion .

what about an individual with a gut who competed in 94, 95, 96, and 97. Where in your opinion should have he placed? Dead last?
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: NotMrAverage on August 09, 2009, 10:18:43 AM
DEXTER LOOKS LIKE COLEMANS LITTLE KID BEING TAKEN TO SCHOOL.

TEAM FIX YOUR CAMERA KID 2009
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: getbig105 on August 09, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
 :-X :-X
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: turnerg31 on August 09, 2009, 12:19:36 PM
Just about every top level bodybuilder can be shown with their "Gut" sticking out if you take selective screen shots from one of their posing routines.  This proves absolutely nothing. Why doesn't someone post a pic when Dex is at the pinnacle of a pose. I'm sure you can find more than a few where his gut is well under control.  Dexter has a great physique and that can't be disputed. Regardless of how you feel about his personality the man has a physique to be admired. IMHO!

Pat
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Big_Tymer on August 09, 2009, 12:57:53 PM
what about an individual with a gut who competed in 94, 95, 96, and 97. Where in your opinion should have he placed? Dead last?

bump for answer
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: OneManGang on August 09, 2009, 01:06:50 PM
Let's dispel the myth that Dexter has an excellent structure (worthy of being compared to Shawn's for example), or that he has no gut, or that he is somehow more symmetrical than Ronnie Coleman.  I think these pictures speak for themselves.

He is one of the more overrated pros out there in that he  gets credit for everything.  His conditioning is easily among the top five or 10 in the history of bodybuilding.  It wouldn't be a stretch to compare his level of conditioning to greats like Andreas Munzer and Rich Gaspari.  But to say he has an aesthetically pleasing shape or proportions straight out of the 1970s?  Not a chance.  Ronnie at 300 pounds has a superior structure.

I don't recall Ronnie having a gut like this at anything under 260 pounds.


Shut up you fool! It has been proven that in IFBB competitions you score higher with a bigger guts. Its already approved by the IFBB schmoes
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Mr.1derful on August 09, 2009, 01:07:16 PM
what about an individual with a gut who competed in 94, 95, 96, and 97. Where in your opinion should have he placed? Dead last?

Dorian generally controlled his stomach very well during his routines, unlike the "raise the roof" let it all hang out approach employed by Ronnie.  That said, if one tries hard enough, you can find a screen shot of nearly any competitor with a distention of some kind.  A sad reality of today's sport.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: YoungBlood on August 09, 2009, 01:09:36 PM
It has been proven that in IFBB competitions you score higher with a bigger guts.

By Whom?
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: Hulkster on August 09, 2009, 01:15:36 PM
the judges, starting back in 1994
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: OneManGang on August 09, 2009, 01:15:44 PM
By Whom?

The IFBB schmoes.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: arce1988 on August 09, 2009, 01:35:58 PM
 TMNT
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: MethodGNA on August 09, 2009, 01:40:29 PM
i would sure love to have a "gut" like that.................... ......how fucking retarded................ ...you understand that once in a while, during transitional poses budybuilders have to exhale, and unflex theirlower torse...........there has been no one in history who could stay in the vacume pose all the time, like every other muscle on his body, his abs are very develpoed, so of course they are going to stick out farther then michael phelps's when he relaxes................. .
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some real winners on here ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: arce1988 on August 09, 2009, 04:21:15 PM
http://www.ninjaturtles.com/
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: KevinP85 on August 09, 2009, 04:30:11 PM
Dexter Jackson is the "poormans," Shawn Ray.
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 09, 2009, 04:34:18 PM
Dexter Jackson is the "poormans," Shawn Ray.

Dexter Jackson has a Sandow Ray doesn't  ;D
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: KevinP85 on August 09, 2009, 04:35:23 PM
Dexter Jackson has a Sandow Ray doesn't  ;D


That's very true, but I still think Ray is much better bodybuilder, do you agree?
Title: Re: Dexter Jackson's gut.
Post by: sculpture on August 10, 2009, 09:45:03 AM
Dorian generally controlled his stomach very well during his routines, unlike the "raise the roof" let it all hang out approach employed by Ronnie.  That said, if one tries hard enough, you can find a screen shot of nearly any competitor with a distention of some kind.  A sad reality of today's sport.

who mentioned anything about dorian lol