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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Never1AShow on April 08, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
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I gotta give it to my man Rich Gaspari.
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he claims to be pro ???
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the words "crappy genetics" and "pro" don't go in the same sentence.
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the words "crappy genetics" and "pro" don't go in the same sentence.
Ask Down hill or Peter one eyed Putnam
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Ask Down hill or Peter one eyed Putnam
Ooops, but guys like that never should have been pro, ever! Guys in physique now could easily beat DAn Hill. NOt joking, they could.
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Ooops, but guys like that never should have been pro, ever! Guys in physique now could easily beat DAn Hill. NOt joking, they could.
I could beat down hill and I suck... Honestly no pro really has shirt genetics. They might have shitty ascetics but not genetics.
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I could beat down hill and I suck... Honestly no pro really has shirt genetics. They might have shitty ascetics but not genetics.
key words there!
First sentence also, lol!
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key words there!
First sentence also, lol!
Oh ritch now your fucking with me to... Lol
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How do u define genetics? Their response, tolerance? Even the great flex wheeler fell ill. Same with prince and lots of others. There's a point where drugs will break any of them down good genetics or not
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How do u define genetics? Their response, tolerance? Even the great flex wheeler fell ill. Same with prince and lots of others. There's a point where drugs will break any of them down good genetics or not
True look at dexter slaming drugs and dieting for years no issues. I guess I would say it's thier response to drugs, size their able to carry and the condition their body will allow them to get to
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I gotta give it to my man Rich Gaspari.
Yes agree. Although his genes weren't super crappy but he did great at making the most with what he had.
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Oh ritch now your fucking with me to... Lol
your time is gonna come to get all us fuckers back one day, no worries here...
Dexter has also stayed injury free do to his lighter training. Sadly, that does not work for me. But real nice to see him getting his dues.
Almost forgives him for his "biggest announcement in bb'er history"he once made at the O when "Dropped the Met rx bomb" as this huge news, lol!
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Bodybuilding Genetics as I see them.
1. Ability to put on a whole lot of muscle mass<----- uncommon but not rare
2. Ability to respond VERY WELL to bodbuilding compounds<------ somewhat uncommon
3. Good aesthetics<------ uncommon to rare
4. Ability to tolerate compound side effects at higher dosages.<-------- fairly common IMO
5. Ability to diet down to extremely low bodyfat levels while keeping large amounts of muscle mass and lose fat evenly most everywhere.<------ Quite rare.
To have all 5, extremely rare.
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Bodybuilding Genetics as I see them.
1. Ability to put on a whole lot of muscle mass<----- uncommon but not rare
2. Ability to respond VERY WELL to bodbuilding compounds<------ somewhat uncommon
3. Good aesthetics<------ uncommon to rare
4. Ability to tolerate compound side effects at higher dosages.<-------- fairly common IMO
5. Ability to diet down to extremely low bodyfat levels while keeping large amounts of muscle mass and lose fat evenly most everywhere.<------ Quite rare.
To have all 5, extremely rare.
The guy that comes to mind with all this is levrone
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True look at dexter slaming drugs and dieting for years no issues. I guess I would say it's thier response to drugs, size their able to carry and the condition their body will allow them to get to
He's pretty much the only one and at 45 his body doesn't have that tired look
Phil I reckon will break down faster but guess it's worth it so far with 4 titles and made lots of money
Branch is already falling apart and isn't even 40 and kai is showing signs it seems
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genetic disposition to drugs
And muscle bellies
thats it
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Gaspari.
Mustafa Muhammed.
Platz.
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mentzer.
munzer.
ruhl.
nasser- probably the worst of the lot- a bag of bodyparts.
platz. got the legs, but nothing else- did a great job in making some balance.
columbu.
sarcev.
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mentzer.
munzer.
ruhl.
nasser- probably the worst of the lot- a bag of bodyparts.
platz. got the legs, but nothing else- did a great job in making some balance.
columbu.
sarcev.
U can't be serious about this? All of the ones u mentioned don't have crappy genetics
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Awesome. A condition ideal!
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if you turn pro you dont have crappy genetics.
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Definitely not wider than Heath. Never like this guy. His '89 Arnold win was a gift.
Troy Zuccolotto had a horrible shape. Jim Quinn too.
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The guy that comes to mind with all this is levrone
I think Gaspari proved #1 would have to be having a brain. He was smart enough to figure it all out and had the drive and discipline to make it work.
Not being a meathead is good genetics, but I think Levrone fails in that.
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Definitely not wider than Heath. Never like this guy. His '89 Arnold win was a gift.
Troy Zuccolotto had a horrible shape. Jim Quinn too.
I'm a huge Gaspari fan due to his conditioning. He set the standard and stood toe to toe with Lee Haney who had ten times his genetic gifts. But post a picture of his front double bi shot.
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King Kamali
End of the thread
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One thing people don't think about also is tgier mental toughness. Very few people have the mental toughness to eat scheduled meal all year round 7 times a day never skip a work out and can take the difficultlua of a contest diet.
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One thing people don't think about also is tgier mental toughness. Very few people have the mental toughness to eat scheduled meal all year round 7 times a day never skip a work out and can take the difficultlua of a contest diet.
True and also taking all those injections day after day takes a lot of commitment
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True and also taking all those injections day after day takes a lot of commitment
Funny you mention that I was talking to my wife about that being the unspoken terrible part of bb.
2 shots a day of gear, insulin hgh igf. Multiple times a day. God forbid you use syntrol to. Red sore lumps all over trying to find a place to stick it that doesnt have a knot. Having a hard time sleeping because you lay on them or movement at night hurts and wakes you up
I want to hear a bro talk about that
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I love that pic but look how narrow he was.
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In the seventies: Columbu
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Gaspari was the most narrow Mr O ever, can't get any more narrow, impossible. Guys like that when they go off shrivel up as he is now. Bad genetics for sure, terrible even.
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Gaspari was the most narrow Mr O ever, can't get any more narrow, impossible. Guys like that when they go off shrivel up as he is now. Bad genetics for sure, terrible even.
He never was Mr O.
And, if you have horrible genetics for BB, you do NOT look like this:
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I could beat down hill and I suck... Honestly no pro really has shirt genetics. They might have shitty ascetics but not genetics.
Um, aesthetics is part of genetics, Mr. Engineer. ::) ::)
"Size, shape, proportion, conditioning, symmetry, and balance: combine all of these into one human body and you get amazing aesthetics. Forty years ago, guys like Serge Nubret, Frank Zane, Sergio Oliva, and Arnold Schwarzenegger were the kings of aesthetics. They built strong, powerful bodies that looked incredible from every angle. They all had a tiny waist, an insane V-taper, and slabs of quads that made their knees look tiny. These guys were so great that their legacy is just as inspiring and powerful today as it was in the '70s."
You can't change the shape or proportion of your your muscle and most people can't even change the symmetry of their body. One side of the body will always be bigger than the other. I mean, you can reduce the imbalance, but its still largely genetic.
IF you have a blocky waist by nature, you can't train for a tiny waist (sure you can make it smaller with good dieting, etc, but look at Cutler--blocky for life), nor can you really make up for a poor v-taper if you have an extremely narrow frame. It doesn't mean we are destined solely by our genetics, however aesthetics is still strongly tied to genetics.
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He never was Mr O.
And, if you have horrible genetics for BB, you do NOT look like this:
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3712/backstageattheolympia.jpg)
All an illusion and DRAWFED when compared to guys normal size. Will never see a shrimp Mr O like that ever again.
Best Mr O are all 5'10 or more, big man's game, step aside manlets!!!
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I could beat down hill and I suck... Honestly no pro really has shirt genetics. They might have shitty ascetics but not genetics.
Yes and no. Yes, you suck. No, you could not beat Down Hill.
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Yes and no. Yes, you suck. No, you could not beat Down Hill.
NM has a long way to go if he wants to beat Dan hill
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;D
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All an illusion and DRAWFED when compared to guys normal size. Will never see a shrimp Mr O like that ever again.
Best Mr O are all 5'10 or more, big man's game, step aside manlets!!!
what year was gaspari mr o?
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All an illusion and DRAWFED when compared to guys normal size. Will never see a shrimp Mr O like that ever again.
Best Mr O are all 5'10 or more, big man's game, step aside manlets!!!
We already have seen a "shrimp" Mr. O: Jackson
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I'll clear this up for ye. A well known german pro told me Dan hill one junior universe and threatened to sue unless he got his pro card as a universe winner
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We already have seen a "shrimp" Mr. O: Jackson
Dexter would easily beat Gaspari. No problems there...
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what year was gaspari mr o?
The year nobody esle was big or in shape.
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The year nobody esle was big or in shape.
Again, Gaspari never won the Olympia.
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Hated Gaspari's physique and that "bum" right nipple he had.
God awful.
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Again, Gaspari never won the Olympia.
You're right! He did come second twice I'm seeing now. He looked good in some pics by himself, but hard to pull it off with a structure like he had. Gotta say he made the best of what he had.
Still so narrow, oufff...
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You're right! He did come second twice I'm seeing now. He looked good in some pics by himself, but hard to pull it off with a structure like he had. Gotta say he made the best of what he had.
Still so narrow, oufff...
86-88 - 3x runner up.
Was awesome at the time. Then, his conditioning was starting to get matched by those with better structure.
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86-88 - 3x runner up.
Was awesome at the time. Then, his conditioning was starting to get matched by those with better structure.
Well shit, corrected again. 3x time runner up Mr O is even better. I bet he has no regrets and is happy unlike many who are bitter in regards to their placings and complain non stop about it. (Mentzer, but don't blame him...)
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phil heath
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Their so-called genie...errrrr..."genetics" came from a bottle. It's not FM, you know.
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I saw Gaspari take 2nd to Haney in 1986 in the O in Columbus Ohio. He was freakin awesome. 27 rows back I could see veins snaking on his triceps. He made an incredible amount out of his structure.
I think based on his combinations of placings and genetics he is arguably the BEST bodybuilder of all time. He built the best with the least.
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Chris Dickerson won an "O" and had many pro wins with a body that couldn't win a state show today
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Chris Dickerson won an "O" and had many pro wins with a body that couldn't win a state show today
His competition wasn't Lee Haney. Weak field at the time. And his physique was better than you give it credit for. He would win state shows today.
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Horrible genetics ::)
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Horrible genetics ::)
X2 Unless you count height.
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What? He was far from a midget. More like medium sized for competitive bodybuilders. Labrada was shorter, Benaziza, Mohamed Makkaway. About the same as Platz or Bannout or Mentzer. Zane was 5' 9" Dorian 5' 10".
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Chris Dickerson- Mr.Olympia with the worst genetics.He also won M.America,Mr.Universe,Night of Champions and just about every major title of his time.
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He never was Mr O.
And, if you have horrible genetics for BB, you do NOT look like this:
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3712/backstageattheolympia.jpg)
I'd love to have his "horrible genetics".
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He built the best with the least.
His legs are perfectly balanced between quads/hams/calves. Chest is very good and had the ability to get into better condition than anyone of the era.
His genetics for BB were stellar.
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His legs are perfectly balanced between quads/hams/calves. Chest is very good and had the ability to get into better condition than anyone of the era.
His genetics for BB were stellar.
Front double Bi and Front lat spread were not stellar. He did a lot but at base he was thick and blocky.
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Front double Bi and Front lat spread were not stellar. He did a lot but at base he was thick and blocky.
Every bodybuilder has flaws.
He made it to the elite levels for his time. It doesn't happen by having poor BB genetics.
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Pro schmoe, this cat.
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bob chickerilllio
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The situation.
His abs were never that good when you think about it...
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Every bodybuilder has flaws.
He made it to the elite levels for his time. It doesn't happen by having poor BB genetics.
That is a tautology.
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HA.....The "SITUATION" lol ::) I know ten girls off the top of my head with better abs than this fool. Not really hating on the guy. It's the general public that thought this dude had "Any abs at all" anyway, he milked it all the way to the bank. " ABS " Say what?
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My GF laughs her ass off when she sees the Situation! She can't believe what all the hype was either? A head scratcher.
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bob chickerilllio
Pretty good choice.
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thnx
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mentzer. - had nerve damage to his trap, which meant he has symmetry issues and couldnt max out his size. made the most of his genetic disadvantage.
munzer.- had very little upper body size and blocky lower body. made the best of it.
ruhl- had woeful shape and bow legs. got massive.
nasser- probably the worst of the lot- a bag of bodyparts.- check his early career physique. no flow, poor chest, arms and delts horrible.
platz. got the legs, but nothing else- did a great job in making some balance.- had to struggle his entire career to balance his legs. his arms were very weak.
columbu- bow legs, no separation, ugly arms.
sarcev- upper body that just wouldnt pop. had to work until finally he looked "right".
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phil heath
X 2.
To win the Mr.O numerous time with that narrow frame ! cant get further than that
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH TA NA KA
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I would say it's a tossup between Gaspari and Platz. Both trained their asses off to get where they got. Surely not from genetics.