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For me it's easier to just starve than eat unlimited meats and low carb foods for weight loss.
Wonder if this is true for others ???
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I've noticed if I skip breakfast I don't get really hungry, but the moment I eat something my hunger goes into overdrive and I just want to keep eating
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For me it's easier to just starve than eat unlimited meats and low carb foods for weight loss.
Wonder if this is true for others ???
Simple when you eat your metabolism sparks up. When you don't it slows down. Same reason people eat 6 times a day and have refeeds to keep metab going
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refeed, excuse to cheat ::)
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Fasting is for hippies & crossfit hipsters
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I will never fast, though there are weeks where I cut out meat completely.
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refeed, excuse to cheat ::)
No not really when your dieting your metabolism can stall. I can tell you first hand after a refeed or chest how hungry I get the next few days.. You cant just keep dieting constantly on low cals with out some sort of caloric pump to get your metabolism going again. This is a common practice
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refeed, excuse to cheat ::)
Read Lyle McDonald's Optimum diet 2.0, and say that again..
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Same reason people eat 6 times a day
Not true and been shown over and over again thru various studies. Eating six meals has no more of an effect then 3....
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Find the same thing to be true, would rather starve all day and eat a decent meal at night rather than eat small meals all day which just make you hungrier.
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Eat enough fat on a keto diet and this isn't true
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Not true and been shown over and over again thru various studies. Eating six meals has no more of an effect then 3....
Well, I gave that a try and just did not work out for me. Pretty sure there's a reason why it's six or more meals for optimal results...
You don't look as good when you have huge ass meals to get your daily cals in, will look bloated, feel crappy/sleepy and need to go shit hardcore.
5-6k in 3 meals, as good as in 6 or more?
Not a chance.
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Well, I gave that a try and just did not work out for me. Pretty sure there's a reason why it's six or more meals for optimal results...
You don't look as good when you have huge ass meals to get your daily cals in, will look bloated, feel crappy/sleepy and need to go shit hardcore.
5-6k in 3 meals, as good as in 6 or more?
Not a chance.
Ritch you and I both no the answer to this. It's been prove time again the benefits of eats 6 times a day. Studies out the ass..
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Ritch you and I both no the answer to this. It's been prove time again the benefits of eats 6 times a day. Studies out the ass..
LOL! So true...
What I can't believe is I let the stupid information get to my head to actually try it, lol! Along with the IFFYM bullshit! (hangs head in shame....)
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LOL! So true...
What I can't believe is I let the stupid information get to my head to actually try it, lol! Along with the IFFYM bullshit! (hangs head in shame....)
Lol this is how I use IIFMY. I match clean Marco for macros. A cup of oats or whole wheat pancakes for the same carb count. Rice or potatoes ect.. If I eat Wendy's im don't going to fit a baconator in my fucking macros I'm just going to eat it
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Lol this is how I use IIFMY. I match clean Marco for macros. A cup of oats or whole wheat pancakes for the same carb count. Rice or potatoes ect.. If I eat Wendy's im don't going to fit a baconator in my fucking macros I'm just going to eat it
In the end, high cal, like 5k plus almost has to have some junk. Actually, bacon would kill my macro's as it leaves me full for too long which means I won't wanna eat for like 6 hours after.
Some guys have posted up pics of some big and jacked guys using IIFYM, I keep an open mind in that case, but would not pass that as good information. Especially if the person is just starting out.
Kinda be like showing a cheat curl before a proper curl. We all know how to do a cheat curl by instinct I think and that is a bit how I see IIFYM. Taking an easier way out of doing what you know you really should be. It's justified by some results but think they would do better if done otherwise.
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In the end, high cal, like 5k plus almost has to have some junk. Actually, bacon would kill my macro's as it leaves me full for too long which means I won't wanna eat for like 6 hours after.
Some guys have posted up pics of some big and jacked guys using IIFYM, I keep an open mind in that case, but would not pass that as good information. Especially if the person is just starting out.
Kinda be like showing a cheat curl before a proper curl. We all know how to do a cheat curl by instinct I think and that is a bit how I see IIFYM. Taking an easier way out of doing what you know you really should be. It's justified by some results but think they would do better if done otherwise.
Yep I agree 100%. It's just catches on so well because of this now generation. They just want to find the easiest way out every time. I hate of fitness has become so trendy...
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I only do two meals a day. But I'm just maintaining my 195-200 lb @6' swimmer build. I tried up to 8 meals a day at one point and noticed no difference personally. And I don't eat that clean either. With my life style eating 2 meals a day and fasting work for me. To a beginner it wouldn't work well. I'm not a body builder anyway. I lift high while fasted to relieve some stress then go eat a decent size protein meal. I do 1-2 cc cycles.
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I only do two meals a day. But I'm just maintaining my 195-200 lb @6' swimmer build. I tried up to 8 meals a day at one point and noticed no difference personally. And I don't eat that clean either. With my life style eating 2 meals a day and fasting work for me. To a beginner it wouldn't work well. I'm not a body builder anyway. I lift high while fasted to relieve some stress then go eat a decent size protein meal. I do 1-2 cc cycles.
Fantatic build man
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Fantatic build man
Appreciate it. I respect guys like you and their dedication. I just don't have that same passion. Working out is a release and I free style it. I'm cool with being the twink with abs at the beach 8). Lifting high is awesome. I just use baby cycles to add pop and I thank getbig for opening my eyes. No more 240 lb permabulker here
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Navy Mike and ritch riding the broscience bandwaggon side by side.
6 meals a day FFS ::)
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I only do two meals a day. But I'm just maintaining my 195-200 lb @6' swimmer build. I tried up to 8 meals a day at one point and noticed no difference personally. And I don't eat that clean either. With my life style eating 2 meals a day and fasting work for me. To a beginner it wouldn't work well. I'm not a body builder anyway. I lift high while fasted to relieve some stress then go eat a decent size protein meal. I do 1-2 cc cycles.
good pic man! As you said, not sure it can be built up with 2 meals, but think it can be maintained. No idea how you do so long without eating and I'm not a big eater by any means.
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Yep I agree 100%. It's just catches on so well because of this now generation. They just want to find the easiest way out every time. I hate of fitness has become so trendy...
Yup and today's kids but the "tren" in trendy, lol...
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Navy Mike and ritch riding the broscience bandwaggon side by side.
6 meals a day FFS ::)
Agreed. 2 is the sweet spot for me.
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I only do two meals a day. But I'm just maintaining my 195-200 lb @6' swimmer build. I tried up to 8 meals a day at one point and noticed no difference personally. And I don't eat that clean either. With my life style eating 2 meals a day and fasting work for me. To a beginner it wouldn't work well. I'm not a body builder anyway. I lift high while fasted to relieve some stress then go eat a decent size protein meal. I do 1-2 cc cycles.
Haha Swimmer my ass! U may not be a "bodybuilder" but you look better than 99.9% of them bloated stupid ugly wannabe bodybuilding guys thinking calories build muscle and then walk around ugly all year round. Middle way is the best way. Its all about aestetichs! Some people just cant understand it! Greedy is a bitch. It ill make your ship sink!
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Haha Swimmer my ass! U may not be a "bodybuilder" but you look better than 99.9% of them bloated stupid ugly wannabe bodybuilding guys thinking calories build muscle and then walk around ugly all year round. Middle way is the best way. Its all about aestetichs! Some people just cant understand it! Greedy is a bitch. It ill make your ship sink!
He has a great pussy pulling physique
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He has a great pussy pulling physique
Yepp, and aiming for more is just plain stupidity!
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Navy Mike and ritch riding the broscience bandwaggon side by side.
6 meals a day FFS ::)
The reasoning behind it is very simple; why would you consume >1000 kcals per meal when your caloric need is way over 3000 kcals?
It all depends at the end of the day..
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I only do two meals a day. But I'm just maintaining my 195-200 lb @6' swimmer build. I tried up to 8 meals a day at one point and noticed no difference personally. And I don't eat that clean either. With my life style eating 2 meals a day and fasting work for me. To a beginner it wouldn't work well. I'm not a body builder anyway. I lift high while fasted to relieve some stress then go eat a decent size protein meal. I do 1-2 cc cycles.
Looking amaZing. I bet milfs love you
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All i know is, after 9 weeks of hi fat low carb, my lipids are fucked and i look not much different at all.
A calorie is a calorie and i am learning that the hard way. Id be making the same results with a balanced diet of 1800-2000 cals. Im giving it anther 2 weeks before i quit.
I can see how it might make sense for bulking as lack of insulin and if i was really lean and wanted to go from 7 percent to 6, or something like that
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All i know is, after 9 weeks of hi fat low carb, my lipids are fucked and i look not much different at all.
A calorie is a calorie and i am learning that the hard way. Id be making the same results with a balanced diet of 1800-2000 cals. Im giving it anther 2 weeks before i quit.
I can see how it might make sense for bulking as lack of insulin and if i was really lean and wanted to go from 7 percent to 6, or something like that
I've always favorite carb cycling over Keto. Work better for me. Might want to give it a shot
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All i know is, after 9 weeks of hi fat low carb, my lipids are fucked and i look not much different at all.
A calorie is a calorie and i am learning that the hard way. Id be making the same results with a balanced diet of 1800-2000 cals. Im giving it anther 2 weeks before i quit.
I can see how it might make sense for bulking as lack of insulin and if i was really lean and wanted to go from 7 percent to 6, or something like that
what gear are you using to have bad readings? I just got back perfect blood work and have been on test over 3 years and upped the dose a good 2 months before the blood tests.
Do you take fish/krill oil?
I'm no expert on this topic but seems you should be good if dieting with healthy fats.
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I only do two meals a day. But I'm just maintaining my 195-200 lb @6' swimmer build. I tried up to 8 meals a day at one point and noticed no difference personally. And I don't eat that clean either. With my life style eating 2 meals a day and fasting work for me. To a beginner it wouldn't work well. I'm not a body builder anyway. I lift high while fasted to relieve some stress then go eat a decent size protein meal. I do 1-2 cc cycles.
NICE BUILD..RIGHT AMOUNT VEINS/DELTS LOOK GOOD SHAPED FULL,BI'S.ABS ARE KEY ALWAYS KEEP EM IN ..
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I only do two meals a day. But I'm just maintaining my 195-200 lb @6' swimmer build. I tried up to 8 meals a day at one point and noticed no difference personally. And I don't eat that clean either. With my life style eating 2 meals a day and fasting work for me. To a beginner it wouldn't work well. I'm not a body builder anyway. I lift high while fasted to relieve some stress then go eat a decent size protein meal. I do 1-2 cc cycles.
AWESOME build.
I'm 5'11" about 240 , with shirt on I look like a bodybuilder ...
but my beer gut is out of control plus my skin is too thick ... :'(
so Swansi85 is the ideal look ...plus don't have to be eating all day
Great work
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH
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I only do two meals a day. But I'm just maintaining my 195-200 lb @6' swimmer build. I tried up to 8 meals a day at one point and noticed no difference personally. And I don't eat that clean either. With my life style eating 2 meals a day and fasting work for me. To a beginner it wouldn't work well. I'm not a body builder anyway. I lift high while fasted to relieve some stress then go eat a decent size protein meal. I do 1-2 cc cycles.
Doesn't matter how many meals a day you eat as long as calories in < calories out. If you're eating 2 2000 cal meals a day vs. 6 400 cal meals a day then you'd notice a difference.
Can the below be considered very low carb? Thinking about getting some for lunch
(http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/32/55/32/7001770/3/rawImage.jpg)
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got ribs and fries in the oven right now. But not because I believe this idiotic bullshit of cals in vs cals out.
Dear lord I hope nobody pays you guys to receive such garbage advice, lol.... Just saying this for the lurkers who are not sure about what's what....
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Appreciate it. I respect guys like you and their dedication. I just don't have that same passion. Working out is a release and I free style it. I'm cool with being the twink with abs at the beach 8). Lifting high is awesome. I just use baby cycles to add pop and I thank getbig for opening my eyes. No more 240 lb permabulker here
can you post examples of what your typical 2 meals look like?
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Here is how people like to think now (ya'll living in lalaland...)
the exercise itself does not matter.
the choice of foods does not matter.
REally?
Pffff, ok, just keep doing whatever the hell you want when you feel like it and see what happens.
HInt: a pro tried this (Antoine) didn't work so well did it?
There is no way around this, gotta be diciplined. But most will keep listeining to everything/all but what makes sense?
Why is that? Because it's too hard for them.
DEal with it you lazy ass son's of bitches.....
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The mind will play tricks with you. Eat 6 meals a day for a year and then eat 2 meals a day for a year and you will look exactly the same at the end of each year with all other things being equal...
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The mind will play tricks with you. Eat 6 meals a day for a year and then eat 2 meals a day for a year and you will look exactly the same at the end of each year with all other things being equal...
my body was falling apart whithin days of trying this.
stop giving this pranksterish advice guys, it's not even funny anymore.
you think it's best to study for an exam over many small periods or just wait until the last minute and cram it in???
Guess this is too much dicipline for your guys.
if 2 meals kept your gains, then you never reached your potential using this method, that is why you think it works as you "stayed the same" Is that how you gauge progress???
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can you post examples of what your typical 2 meals look like?
Literally different everyday. From habit and all my wanna be bodybuilding years I eat high protein automatically. But in general it 150-200ish a day. When I eat less protein theres more carbs. Ex. Yesterday post workout after training full body fasted I ate two cups of egg whites,with 3 whole eggs,spinach in it,a cup of brocolli and a nutribullet shake composed of a banana,tangerine,small apple and a little pineapple. 8 hours later after work I just ate a lb of ground turkey with can of black beans and some salsa. Then had two bananas cut into quarters with pb for dessert. I don't do grains really. Love it but bloats me. Like I said its different everyday. Protein is always high but I adjust daily depending on how I look. Might galeniko it for a day or two at a time if I've been too liberal. Fasting has seriously, for me, been the easiest way to stay lean without trying. By body got used to it and I'm never hungry mornings. I've gone 36-44 hours when I was 180ish while working out normally and working my jobs. Just sipping fart powder aminos for peace of mind. Mind you I was on 300 mgs of test which I've been on for a year and a half straight almost. I just throw in a cc of anabolics and orals here and there to rent the looks they give. Sorry for the ramble
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And that's a clean day for me. I eat out a lot often binging hard since I smoke. I happened to eat 10 dbls cheese burgers the night before so when I do shit like that I'll usually fast longer and just do a high protein and green veggie day the next day. I adjusted fasting times and calories. Its kind of really yoyo but I enjoy life and I'm in good health according to my doctors 8)
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15's ;D
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my body was falling apart whithin days of trying this.
stop giving this pranksterish advice guys, it's not even funny anymore.
you think it's best to study for an exam over many small periods or just wait until the last minute and cram it in???
Guess this is too much dicipline for your guys.
if 2 meals kept your gains, then you never reached your potential using this method, that is why you think it works as you "stayed the same" Is that how you gauge progress???
Your body wasn't falling apart. You just can't stay away from the mirror so even the slightest change puts your mind into thinking the worst. Bodybuilders for the most part are mentally ill...The fact that you only tried 2 meals a day for a couple days is exactly why you shouldn't comment on if it works or not. Every knows eating 6 smaller meals a day works. But it doesn't mean other ways of eating don't or can't get you at the same place...Let me guess, you're also are one of those guys who bring a gallon of water to the gym to make sure you get enough water? Those people are mentally ill bro...
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Your body wasn't falling apart. You just can't stay away from the mirror so even the slightest change puts your mind into thinking the worst. Bodybuilders for the most part are mentally ill...The fact that you only tried 2 meals a day for a couple days is exactly why you shouldn't comment on if it works or not. Every knows eating 6 smaller meals a day works. But it doesn't mean other ways of eating don't or can't get you at the same place...Let me guess, you also are one of those guys who bring a gallon of water to the gym to make sure you get enough water? Those people are mentally ill bro...
LOL!!!
Funny shit man...
so "you're method" has you look like shit at first, then you get better? Ahh... I get it now, guess I lack consistency to understand here, lol....
Not just any jug I drink out of though man, it's one of them 5% one's, it's better, everyone knows this!
I did mention the 2 meals a day can work, but sure as hell would not be my first line of recommendation.
Funny how shit changes. Before, all the people were doing 2 meals, then the 6 meal ideal came about, everyone was raving about it.
Now, we go back in time to get better? Nope, just people telling you what you want to hear and you believed it. If you were truelly seeking real gains, you would not give into this and think you know that deep down.
You gave up, and fell into this crap. No worries, it's not easy!
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2 main meals a day for Zane...Says he would also eat 2 small snacks...So if people want to say he ate 4 meals a day then so be it...Hard pressed to find a better physique than this guy...
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/starprofile/Frank_Zane.jpg)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=156159.0
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Pretty good read here about eating less often
Written by Jason Ferruggia: Muscle, Nutrition
how many meals a day do you need to build muscle?How many meals a day do you need to build muscle?
It’s a question asked by everyone who starts strength training for the first time.
We’ve all heard or read that you need to eat 5-6 meals per day.
But who has the time or desire to do that?
Surely no one who works or has a social life.
Sounds like a real pain-in-the-ass nightmare if you ask me.
I’m a big fan simplicity and minimalism.
It’s liberating and gives you a sense of freedom. Ya know, the kind of freedom that comes from having to prepare meals every 90 minutes and eat every two hours on the button.
The kind of freedom that comes with weighing your food and counting all of your macronutrients at every meal. The freedom that carrying Tupperware containers full of steamed broccoli and chicken breasts everywhere you go brings.
Ah… that’s the life, aint it?
Sounds like…sounds like imprisonment more than freedom.
I’ll be the first one to admit, I recommended the old six-meals-per-day, eat-every-two-hours deal for years. We all did.
It was like recommending pull ups.
The squat or press aren’t universally loved, but pullups? Who doesn’t love pull ups? Everyone recommends pull ups.
Just like everyone recommended six meals a day.
It was the thing to do.
You have to keep the metabolism running at full speed ahead. If you don’t eat every two hours it’ll slow down.
You’ll get fat. You’ll lose muscle. You’ll get weak.
Your thyroid will shut down. Your wang will shrink. Your nose will grow. You’ll go broke.
It’s all bullshit.
A Step in the Opposite Direction
Eating six meals a day, every two hours is just another way of being a slave to your lifestyle and your stuff. Having to eat every two hours is just more baggage.
It’s like owning something else that you just don’t need. Something else you need to always take care of and revolve your life around.
It’s at the complete opposite end of the spectrum from a minimalist lifestyle that allows true freedom.
The reality is that every single reason you were told to eat six times per day is complete bullshit.
If you eat a heaping pile of eggs right now, the amino acids are in your blood stream for a lot longer than two hours.
You are not going to dip into an extreme catabolic state like Tom Hanks in Castaway if you don’t eat again exactly 120 minutes from now. It’s just physically impossible.
But surely your glycogen stores would be depleted right?
Not even close.
Unless you run a marathon you will have plenty of stored glycogen to get you through a strength training workout a day or so after you last carbohydrate meal.
Bodybuilders have to almost starve themselves and take extreme measures to deplete glycogen levels for 3-7 days before a show. I’m sure that going longer than 2-3 hours between meals isn’t going to deplete yours.
Years ago I literally used to get in a bad mood and could be somewhat pissy if I went more than a couple hours without eating. I thought all my hard work was for nothing and that I was in a severe catabolic state.
It’s embarrassing now to think back on it.
The Problem With Eating So Often
The very act of eating in itself, is stressful to the body. Digestive stress ages you and causes inflammation.
When you are busy stuffing your face all day you are stressing the body out to unhealthy levels. You never give the gut a chance to fully heal. Your enzyme pool doesn’t get replenished and your whole digestive system takes a beating.
When digestive health is compromised nothing functions properly.
Having fewer hours per day in the fed state is a good thing. It lets the body heal and replenish itself.
A little while back the New York Times reported on the recent study that showed no weight loss benefits of six meals per day over three meals per day. I don’t put a lot of stock in too many studies but it was worth noting nonetheless.
If you want to get bigger and stronger simply determine how many calories you need per day and divide them by three instead of six or seven. It’s just far more convenient and doesn’t alienate you from the rest of society so much.
Back to the Old School
All of the old time strongmen and bodybuilders ate three meals per day.
Vince Gironda’s diets consisted of three meals per day and all his guys were ripped and jacked. John McCallum used to recommend three meals per day.
I don’t know how the six meals a day thing came about but I suspect it was money driven.
“You need three meals plus three shakes,” some supplement company exec must have declared.
In the Golden Era of Physical Culture men ate three meals per day. They didn’t show up carrying coolers and sneaking protein shakes in at the bar at night.
Now I may not be that manly. But if it was good enough for Arthur Saxon it’s good enough for me.
So join me in taking another step toward freedom and minimalism. Take off the Zubaz pants and the boat neck sweatshirts (they only looked cool when worn by the Road Warriors, pictured above).
Put away the Tupperware and the countdown timer that notifies you of your next meal.
At the end of the day this whole process of immersing yourself in Physical Culture, is really about having fun, being healthy and enhancing the enjoyment of your life.
There’s no way that eating every two hours does any of those things.
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Then I guess the best physiques on the planet should give up this frequent meal plan they do to be on top and just eat like normal folks.
Fail.
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Then I guess the best physiques on the planet should give up this frequent meal plan they do to be on top and just eat like normal folks.
Fail.
These best physiques you speak of, how many looked better than Zane did?
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These best physiques you speak of, how many looked better than Zane did?
not a big fan of Zane. Seen pics of him in regular clothes and he's too small. I'm more than certain without any gear in him, he'd be a total twig.
At his biggest he did look good however. But surely he did not like using all that gear and I totally understand.
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Both were around 50 years old when pics were taken ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570589.0;attach=611615;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570589.0;attach=611617;image)
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non chopped of Coleman :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570589.0;attach=611659;image)