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some nice training talk from Arnold
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Repost but great video.
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I see loads of Mickey Mouse stuff every time I'm in the gym. Please leave your fucking phone in the car.
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whenever I watch ahnuld vids like this or read some of serge's (pip) old posts I get the urge to train super high volume like those guys.
but after a week I realise that I get better results training low volume high frequency (30 minute weight sessions) so the possibility of slightly better results doesn't justify the 150% increase in training time.
anyone had success cutting by increasing sets to an ultra high volume level as a replacement for cardio?
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some nice training talk from Arnold
Good video.
He speaks a lot of sense.
I'm with Arnold,
Ban The Pregnant Bellies on Stage.
And Ban Them God Damn Mobile Phones in the Gym.
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whenever I watch ahnuld vids like this or read some of serge's (pip) old posts I get the urge to train super high volume like those guys.
but after a week I realise that I get better results training low volume high frequency (30 minute weight sessions) so the possibility of slightly better results doesn't justify the 150% increase in training time.
anyone had success cutting by increasing sets to an ultra high volume level as a replacement for cardio?
Yes. Serge Nubret. But his genetics were from somewhere else...
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The whole notion of doing pullovers to expand your rib cage sounds like broscience. How does one expand one's ribcage? How do you expand your bones? ??? ???
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How do you expand your bones? ??? ???
You can expand my bone anytime.
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You can expand my bone anytime.
Go on........
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Go on........
I'll be naked, you'll be naked and doing some sort of ethnic dancing. As you glance over (don't make it too obvious) you'll notice my bone beginning to expand.
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whenever I watch ahnuld vids like this or read some of serge's (pip) old posts I get the urge to train super high volume like those guys.
but after a week I realise that I get better results training low volume high frequency (30 minute weight sessions) so the possibility of slightly better results doesn't justify the 150% increase in training time.
anyone had success cutting by increasing sets to an ultra high volume level as a replacement for cardio?
A guess a lot of this depends on your age and/or if you're on roids or not.
I used high volume when I was young and it worked great. I favor high volume today, the only problem is you can get burned out quickly if you are older and natty like me... you are forced to reduce the frequency. Taking every other day off prevents burnout, but then you're only hitting the muscle groups once every 5-6 days. Alternating 2on/1off with 1on/1off has worked well for me.
In my experience high volume works as replacement for cardio. Eating clean and lowering carbs makes it even better. My workouts last about 90-120 minutes.
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More and more of the unused Pumping Iron footage is slowly being released. Many hours of workout footage was filmed... I want to see ALL of it! Notice how wide his grip is on those inclines...
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A guess a lot of this depends on your age and/or if you're on roids or not.
I used high volume when I was young and it worked great. I favor high volume today, the only problem is you can get burned out quickly if you are older and natty like me... you are forced to reduce the frequency. Taking every other day off prevents burnout, but then you're only hitting the muscle groups once every 5-6 days. Alternating 2on/1off with 1on/1off has worked well for me.
In my experience high volume works as replacement for cardio. Eating clean and lowering carbs makes it even better. My workouts last about 90-120 minutes.
I can do high volume no problem but IDK if I get better gains from doing 15 sets than 30. Either way for me as a natural I have noticed that I need minimum 5 days per musclegroup for full recovery after a Hard workout.
Either way on roids all this is probably thrown out the window and you can train more frequent and higher volume.
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some nice training talk from Arnold
Dude is living in the past and after a failed marriage and facing infirmity in old age is looking for every way possible to maintain his huge ego. Loves to claim he worked harder and outsmarted everyone, what a douchebag. Arnold should take some of his own advice and get the fuck in shape, nobody cares about some has been talking about how to get in shape when the last time he looked swole was decades ago. Now if this was Robby Robinson handing out advice, it would be worth a listen.
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More and more of the unused Pumping Iron footage is slowly being released. Many hours of workout footage was filmed... I want to see ALL of it! Notice how wide his grip is on those inclines...
That's awesome!!!!!
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Dude is living in the past and after a failed marriage and facing infirmity in old age is looking for every way possible to maintain his huge ego. Loves to claim he worked harder and outsmarted everyone, what a douchebag. Arnold should take some of his own advice and get the fuck in shape, nobody cares about some has been talking about how to get in shape when the last time he looked swole was decades ago. Now if this was Robby Robinson handing out advice, it would be worth a listen.
Hahah. Arnold is ok and all, but way too many people are on his jock. Sick build for sure, but damn...let's leave 1980 in the past where it belongs...35 years ago.
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Dude is living in the past and after a failed marriage and facing infirmity in old age is looking for every way possible to maintain his huge ego. Loves to claim he worked harder and outsmarted everyone, what a douchebag. Arnold should take some of his own advice and get the fuck in shape, nobody cares about some has been talking about how to get in shape when the last time he looked swole was decades ago. Now if this was Robby Robinson handing out advice, it would be worth a listen.
Yes he has an ego, but so does everyone. Arnold has done more in one lifetime than most people are could accomplish in 5 lifetimes... could barely speak English when he came to the US, he became 7x Mr O, an actor, millionaire and a governor. It's very interesting to learn more about what he did and how he did it. At 67, I think he's in very good shape for his age. Robby Robinson is a hobo by comparison.
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Yes he has an ego, but so does everyone. Arnold has done more in one lifetime than most people are could accomplish in 5 lifetimes... could barely speak English when he came to the US, he became 7x Mr O, an actor, millionaire and a governor. It's very interesting to learn more about what he did and how he did it. At 67, I think he's in very good shape for his age. Robby Robinson is a hobo by comparison.
agreed
And Arnold has earned the right to have an ego
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Hahah. Arnold is ok and all, but way too many people are on his jock. Sick build for sure, but damn...let's leave 1980 in the past where it belongs...35 years ago.
The physiques of the past shit all over the modern pros.
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The physiques of the past shit all over the modern pros.
Could not have said it any better, sir.
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"Expanding the rib cage" is not expanding Knoogers bone.
It is stretching the cartilage between the ribs. It can't be done when you are old (like me)... but when you are younger and things are more "pliable' the theory in place is one of stretching out the cartilage thereby increasing the diameter of the rib cage.
There are lots of somewhat logical (but not always true) theories out there, for example: Squatting gives you a big butt.
Lots of things can be stretched over time... like doing the splits, etc... but try not to let your imagination run too wild....
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/stretched_zpsgn1ain8p.jpg) (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/timeamajorova/media/stretched_zpsgn1ain8p.jpg.html)
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Mike Mentzer is probably rolling over in his grave....
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Mike Mentzer is probably rolling over in his grave....
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7bTCd2QbmGQ/hqdefault.jpg)
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Mike Mentzer didn't build his body on H.I.T.
But...
He pushed the dogmatism of H.I.T training to no end, including Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" philosiphy along the way.
Arnold say's "More Sets" , Mike said less... with 'more' intensity, demanding that logic be applied to an inverse ratio: You can't possibly be working out hard if you are working out for a long time, and if you are working out at maximum intensity, your duration period is very short.
Now, we could all post pics of his physique kicking ass.... it's a matter of choosing the right pics.
I wouldn't have minded being there in front of the stage to see just exactly what he did look like... for real.
I could post a pic of any bodybuilder looking better than another... just two minutes for a chop.
Arnold say's that chins/pullups are for width. Interesting. He say's that rowing (which Reg Park didnt believe in) was for thickness.
Later, Arnold say's when describing "being inside the muscle" that you had to feel a lat row... and then hit a pose, to "open up the wings" ..... I'm confused.
Rowing definitely stretches the lats out if you are facing downward. Gravity pulls and stretches them.... hmmmmm....
Oh, wait. I might start an argument.
So, to be clear, a guy who does rows only will never have lat width? What was Dorian Yates' favorite back exercise again???
My bad....
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(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7bTCd2QbmGQ/hqdefault.jpg)
People who say/think Menzer should've placed higher than Arnold at the '80 Mr O need their eyes checked.
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More and more of the unused Pumping Iron footage is slowly being released. Many hours of workout footage was filmed... I want to see ALL of it! Notice how wide his grip is on those inclines...
Awesome. Never seen that. Keep 'em coming
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Some more clips I've never see
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People who say/think Menzer should've placed higher than Arnold at the '80 Mr O need their eyes checked.
I sure didn't say that. I was referring to Mike Mentzer's books and training philosophy...
unless you are just completely changing the subject.
Not uncommon.
Mike was shredded and big, but I really don't wanna read another Shawn Ray or Dexter thread, thanks.
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I sure didn't say that. I was referring to Mike Mentzer's books and training philosophy...
unless you are just completely changing the subject.
Not uncommon.
Mike was shredded and big, but I really don't wanna read another Shawn Ray or Dexter thread, thanks.
You brought up Mentzer, not me. The amphetamines ruined him, and probably had much to do with his premature death. He was showing signs of psychosis when he competed in '80. He over analyzed everything and wasted many years of his life preaching there was only one way to train and everyone else (not matter how many Mr. O titles they won) was wrong.
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You brought up Mentzer, not me. The amphetamines ruined him, and probably had much to do with his premature death. He was showing signs of psychosis when he competed in '80. He over analyzed everything and wasted many years of his life preaching there was only one way to train and everyone else (not matter how many Mr. O titles they won) was wrong.
i think the Mentzer Brothers were legends and stood by their Guns. I agree the heavy Duty thing was pushed too much and in my opinion over rated. I think Tommywishbone knew him and can say more..
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i think the Mentzer Brothers were legends and stood by their Guns. I agree the heavy Duty thing was pushed too much and in my opinion over rated. I think Tommywishbone knew him and can say more..
Yup. Take all training advices with a grain of salt. Or as the champs do, with a gram of test. On their dosages, any sort of training will work. Mentzer himself said he was more worried about the possible effects of steroids on his mind more than his body.
Arnold is still Numero Uno overall and Steve Reeves and Park are interchangeable within the realm of the real naturals.
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Yup. Take all training advices with a grain of salt. Or as the champs do, with a gram of test. On their dosages, any sort of training will work. Mentzer himself said he was more worried about the possible effects of steroids on his mind more than his body.
Arnold is still Numero Uno overall and Steve Reeves and Park are interchangeable within the realm of the real naturals.
Give me Bill Pearl .. a true Gentleman. i have never spoke to such a Manly Man (no homo) but so friendly and great advice.
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Good video.
He speaks a lot of sense.
I'm with Arnold,
Ban The Pregnant Bellies on Stage.
And Ban Them God Damn Mobile Phones in the Gym.
Completely agree. What burns my arse is when someone hogs a machine like the leg extension machine and just sits there texting in between his half-ass sets doing 30lbs or even talking on the phone while he's doing his reps. Why even come to the damn gym if you're going to do this crap.
Excellent video. Arnold motivates like no one can.
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You brought up Mentzer, not me. The amphetamines ruined him, and probably had much to do with his premature death. He was showing signs of psychosis when he competed in '80. He over analyzed everything and wasted many years of his life preaching there was only one way to train and everyone else (not matter how many Mr. O titles they won) was wrong.
I agree. I know all about Mikey and his brother and Dan Duchaine.
There were others also.
I was just saying that I didnt bring him up in the context in which you were referring. I was simply speaking of Arnolds high volume training and Mikeys dogma about one set to failure. In the video Arnie talks about more and more and more to make up for lack of knowledge in nutrition.
I'm not siding with either.
Anything works for a time.
Haney: Stimulate don't annihilate.... ya know? That's all.