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While high protein diets are popular, many people have a strong preference for either fats or carbohydrates. Do you try to exclude one or the other, keep them balanced, or not give the subject any thought?
I'm particularly interested in hearing the reasons from those who advocate no or very low carb diets.
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After a lot of experimentation, I discovered that I was pretty carb-sensitive, so I drop weight faster on carb restricted diets than on fat-restricted diets. That said, my body seems to adjust quickly to any homeostasis (no homo), so I have been doing a version of carb cycling with some high(er) carb days and some almost pure zero carb days. The diet tracks to my training efforts so that in theory the carb fuel will be there when I need it.
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I keep my protein high and my fats/carbs fairly moderate to low. If I'm cutting, I'll lower them further but try to mantain my protein intake.
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I like to keep the body guessing.
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I would keep in carbs, you still get fats from meat sources, wiping out carbs=me looking sick, weak and I know enough to never do that again.
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After a lot of experimentation, I discovered that I was pretty carb-sensitive, so I drop weight faster on carb restricted diets than on fat-restricted diets. That said, my body seems to adjust quickly to any homeostasis (no homo), so I have been doing a version of carb cycling with some high(er) carb days and some almost pure zero carb days. The diet tracks to my training efforts so that in theory the carb fuel will be there when I need it.
This is pretty much exactly the same for me
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I like to keep the body guessing.
I like to go to the gym telling myself I'm going to have a great leg day, but only bench press when I get in, sick gains.
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This is pretty much exactly the same for me
And yet, you look so much fucking better than I do... >:(
Today is a zero carb day and a rest day, which is good because I get kinda zonked out on zero carb days.
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What does 'carb sensitivity' mean, and how did you discover yourself to be 'carb sensitive'?
Is anyone 'fat sensitive'?
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What does 'carb sensitivity' mean, and how did you discover yourself to be 'carb sensitive'?
Is anyone 'fat sensitive'?
For me, it basically means that I gain/drop weight more quickly when add/taking away carbs than I SEEM to when add/taking away fats (cue TA coming in and calling all of this "bro-science bullshit"). I can drop weight at will by just restricting carbs. I also seem to feel heavy carb days in an almost "hangover" the day after with hunger pangs.
Now, I haven't done perfect studies where I made sure to control for calories (knowing that fat energy density is more than 2x over carbs). It's entirely possible that I became much more "carb sensitive" when I actually started counting my carbs and never really knew how many carbs I was taking in prior and I am extrapolating my bad data into a full-fledged bro-science opinion. I do factor that in as much as I can, though.
I am not finished with my experimentation, that's for sure. I still try various things for a while. Isn't it relatively accepted that some folks are more sensitive to carbs than others?
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Anyone will drop fat/ weight quickly by restricting carbs, or going low carb. The problem is you're going to lose muscle as well as end up looking flat and stringy by restricting carbs too much. Higher carb, moderate to high protein, and low fat is the way to go imo. Feeling flat, or small while dieting is normal, but you shouldn't be a string bean either. A good measure of whether or not you're losing mass is where your strength levels are at. If you're losing strength, the muscle will follow. Strength should not take a drastic hit while dieting, other than the last couple weeks.
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Anyone will drop fat/ weight quickly by restricting carbs, or going low carb. The problem is you're going to lose muscle as well as end up looking flat and stringy by restricting carbs too much. Higher carb, moderate to high protein, and low fat is the way to go imo. Feeling flat, or small while dieting is normal, but you shouldn't be a string bean either. A good measure of whether or not you're losing mass is where your strength levels are at. If you're losing strength, the muscle will follow. Strength should not take a drastic hit while dieting, other than the last couple weeks.
nice theory, but the only way strength is kept if kept, it to up the dose of everything. By overtraining (what you have to do) sleeping like shit, undereating, strength is never gained. I see guys say this all the time strength will be kept, yet I know in real life it's not true.
Just something people like to say....
I guess this is where the "prep coaches" come in, lol...
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I like to go to the gym telling myself I'm going to have a great leg day, but only bench press when I get in, sick gains.
This is the kind of advanced technique I'm talking about.
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I've found that I'm In n Out sensitive. If I don't eat it I lose weight.
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I've found that I'm In n Out sensitive. If I don't eat it I lose weight.
I'm Bi-Sexual. If I can't get it, I bi it.
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I like to keep carbs moderate (150-250) when cutting and depending on how high my carbs are that day I keep my fats pretty low to medium (50-70)
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For me, it basically means that I gain/drop weight more quickly when add/taking away carbs than I SEEM to when add/taking away fats (cue TA coming in and calling all of this "bro-science bullshit"). I can drop weight at will by just restricting carbs. I also seem to feel heavy carb days in an almost "hangover" the day after with hunger pangs.
Now, I haven't done perfect studies where I made sure to control for calories (knowing that fat energy density is more than 2x over carbs). It's entirely possible that I became much more "carb sensitive" when I actually started counting my carbs and never really knew how many carbs I was taking in prior and I am extrapolating my bad data into a full-fledged bro-science opinion. I do factor that in as much as I can, though.
I am not finished with my experimentation, that's for sure. I still try various things for a while. Isn't it relatively accepted that some folks are more sensitive to carbs than others?
Good post, and 'yes' to your last question, though I'm not sure why. I think I might be 'carb sensitive' in that carbs are far more satisfying than fats... Lolz. I've started paying more attention to the way foods affect me, trying lots of experiments of my own.
So far, carbs seem to have some interesting affects compared to fats, that's the only thing I've discovered. I consistently feel high / guilty after carb heavy meals, not so after fatty meals...
Fatty meals of equal caloric content never seem to be nearly as filling. E.g. eggs vs pancakes. I can eat far more calories in eggs and still not feel satisfied, at least in the short term.
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So far, carbs seem to have some interesting affects compared to fats, that's the only thing I've discovered. I consistently feel high / guilty after carb heavy meals, not so after fatty meals...
Very odd. I have also experienced this. I just always chalked it up to the euphoria of the food and the associated guilt of "breaking" a diet (even though it was planned). I also just figured I was being a giant pussy and stuffed it down.
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Very odd. I have also experienced this. I just always chalked it up to the euphoria of the food and the associated guilt of "breaking" a diet (even though it was planned). I also just figured I was being a giant pussy and stuffed it down.
I think the euphoria might be caused by a spike in blood glucose levels. I remember gal talking about this, but I don't know much about it.
Also, if I eat a lot of fat, say over 1000 calories worth, my stomach suddenly feels painfully full. However, I think I can eat at least 2x the amount of carbs, if not more, before a similar feeling comes on. Carbs seem to have a more noticeable effect in small quantities, and stimulate a seemingly endless appetite for more.
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While high protein diets are popular, many people have a strong preference for either fats or carbohydrates. Do you try to exclude one or the other, keep them balanced, or not give the subject any thought?
I'm particularly interested in hearing the reasons from those who advocate no or very low carb diets.
Who gives a shit either way. Just eat whatever foods you enjoy. Why all this picking and choosing and limiting? ???
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Very odd. I have also experienced this. I just always chalked it up to the euphoria of the food and the associated guilt of "breaking" a diet (even though it was planned). I also just figured I was being a giant pussy and stuffed it down.
AJ, but did u ever look at calorie count while eating low carb? My guess is that total cals were less than normal carb eating and that is what counts for the fat loss. For me i can easily eat over my limit of fats and pro so Even low carb i have to count and my baseline or maintenence seems to get lower as i get older. Really anything over 2200 and i get fatter, and im 200lbs around 13% bf.
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carbs through morning and day of work and before workout then at night not much carbs. mosly protein and fats.
carbs is just fuel for performance, both mental and physical.
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Who gives a shit either way. Just eat whatever foods you enjoy. Why all this picking and choosing and limiting? ???
Because what I can enjoy depends on what I believe, and what I believe constantly changes as I experience new things and hear new stories.
I agree with your ideas, I'm just curious about other ideas ad well. Some of my recent experiences have made me very interested in the effects of different foods.
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For me...
Carbs pros: More strength, pump, muscle fullness, better mental focus.
Carbs cons: Water retention/bloofy, bloated gut feeling, farts.
Fat pros: Little/no water retention, no stomach bloat, no gas.
Fat cons: Flatter muscles, less pump during workouts, felt sick after hard workouts... especially legs.
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Because what I can enjoy depends on what I believe, and what I believe constantly changes as I experience new things and hear new stories.
I agree with your ideas, I'm just curious about other ideas ad well. Some of my recent experiences have made me very interested in the effects of different foods.
Its not going to matter one bit. Might as well play connect four on an endless loop.
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carbs through morning and day of work and before workout then at night not much carbs. mosly protein and fats.
carbs is just fuel for performance, both mental and physical.
Didn't Lyle say that an average 1.5 hour bodybuilding workout does not require any more than 100gms of carbohydrate to fuel?
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Didn't Lyle say that an average 1.5 hour bodybuilding workout does not require any more than 100gms of carbohydrate to fuel?
Also, about 1/3 of the Glycogen used in exercise gets recycled back into glucose. So, with carbs, you get more bang for your buck, which is why I believe we over estimate how much carbohydrate we need.
I've found that to get to really low bodyfat, I need to drastically reduced carbs.
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I prefer the 2:1 carb to fat ratio
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Also, about 1/3 of the Glycogen used in exercise gets recycled back into glucose. So, with carbs, you get more bang for your buck, which is why I believe we over estimate how much carbohydrate we need.
I've found that to get to really low bodyfat, I need to drastically reduced carbs.
Definitely, but if your natty, your workouts eventually begin to suffer.
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Its not going to matter one bit. Might as well play connect four on an endless loop.
You're right
how u look is mostly genetic do u think k these ripped up Bros down on the b-ball court eating chicken wings & grape soda are monitoring there "macros" lol
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Very odd. I have also experienced this. I just always chalked it up to the euphoria of the food and the associated guilt of "breaking" a diet (even though it was planned). I also just figured I was being a giant pussy and stuffed it down.
Could be a serotonin reaction. Insulin feeding aminos to muscle changes the balance of aminos crossing the blood/brain barrier in favor of tryptophan, from which serotonin is made. This was the explanation I read for 'post-prandial somnolescence' anyway.
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Coitus interuptus
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For me...
Carbs pros: More strength, pump, muscle fullness, better mental focus.
Carbs cons: Water retention/bloofy, bloated gut feeling, farts.
Fat pros: Little/no water retention, no stomach bloat, no gas.
Fat cons: Flatter muscles, less pump during workouts, felt sick after hard workouts... especially legs.
carbs con: blood sugar levels dictate your hunger levels
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Its not going to matter one bit. Might as well play connect four on an endless loop.
Here's one of my problems:
After my bad experiences with starvation/caffeiene, I upped the calories and now aim for 2000-2500 per day.
I like to eat a big, satisfying meal with a variety of ingredients. This meal is usually about 1000 calories or so. I also like to cook it, so this means I eat it at night.
As a result, I subsist on small amounts of food throughout the day. While I'm much better off now than before, I still worry that I lack energy for the day.
I want to make sure I get the most out of those 1000 or so calories I can eat before dinner. If there's any possibility some foods will help more than others, I want to learn about it.
Maybe eating a big meal in the morning would be better, but I can't think of a way to fit cooking into the beginning of my day. I also worry (perhaps irrationally) about 'running out' of calories as the day goes on.
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Here's one of my problems:
After my bad experiences with starvation/caffeiene, I upped the calories and now aim for 2000-2500 per day.
I like to eat a big, satisfying meal with a variety of ingredients. This meal is usually about 1000 calories or so. I also like to cook it, so this means I eat it at night.
As a result, I subsist on small amounts of food throughout the day. While I'm much better off now than before, I still worry that I lack energy for the day.
I want to make sure I get the most out of those 1000 or so calories I can eat before dinner. If there's any possibility some foods will help more than others, I want to learn about it.
Maybe eating a big meal in the morning would be better, but I can't think of a way to fit cooking into the beginning of my day. I also worry (perhaps irrationally) about 'running out' of calories as the day goes on.
Weren't you doing the so called "no one" dieting stuff or am I thinking of someone else? If you did are you saying in retrospect that it wasn't a good thing?
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Here's one of my problems:
After my bad experiences with starvation/caffeiene, I upped the calories and now aim for 2000-2500 per day.
I like to eat a big, satisfying meal with a variety of ingredients. This meal is usually about 1000 calories or so. I also like to cook it, so this means I eat it at night.
As a result, I subsist on small amounts of food throughout the day. While I'm much better off now than before, I still worry that I lack energy for the day.
I want to make sure I get the most out of those 1000 or so calories I can eat before dinner. If there's any possibility some foods will help more than others, I want to learn about it.
Maybe eating a big meal in the morning would be better, but I can't think of a way to fit cooking into the beginning of my day. I also worry (perhaps irrationally) about 'running out' of calories as the day goes on.
It seems like most dietary indiscretions take place at night. IMO, you have the right idea. Low cals meal during the day give you some wiggle room to loosen up at night.
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Here's one of my problems:
After my bad experiences with starvation/caffeiene, I upped the calories and now aim for 2000-2500 per day.
I like to eat a big, satisfying meal with a variety of ingredients. This meal is usually about 1000 calories or so. I also like to cook it, so this means I eat it at night.
As a result, I subsist on small amounts of food throughout the day. While I'm much better off now than before, I still worry that I lack energy for the day.
I want to make sure I get the most out of those 1000 or so calories I can eat before dinner. If there's any possibility some foods will help more than others, I want to learn about it.
Maybe eating a big meal in the morning would be better, but I can't think of a way to fit cooking into the beginning of my day. I also worry (perhaps irrationally) about 'running out' of calories as the day goes on.
What kind of bad experiences?
It just stalled your progress or something more specific?
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Here's one of my problems:
After my bad experiences with starvation/caffeiene, I upped the calories and now aim for 2000-2500 per day.
I like to eat a big, satisfying meal with a variety of ingredients. This meal is usually about 1000 calories or so. I also like to cook it, so this means I eat it at night.
As a result, I subsist on small amounts of food throughout the day. While I'm much better off now than before, I still worry that I lack energy for the day.
I want to make sure I get the most out of those 1000 or so calories I can eat before dinner. If there's any possibility some foods will help more than others, I want to learn about it.
Maybe eating a big meal in the morning would be better, but I can't think of a way to fit cooking into the beginning of my day. I also worry (perhaps irrationally) about 'running out' of calories as the day goes on.
have big bowl of oatmeal in the micro with proteinshake to it in the morning if you dont wanna cook. can spice it up with bananas or something in it too. I usually add 2 eggwhites to the shake aswell
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What kind of bad experiences?
It just stalled your progress or something more specific?
I did the Galenieko/Starvation thing. Really didn't work out that much for me I looked like shit by the end. I bulked up from like 190 to 220 on Tren test mast cycle and ended up getting fat as fuck but also huge and lots of muscle gain. After I ended the cycle I crash dieted (Big mistake) from eating my typical 4-5K calories to like 1-1.5K calories per day and 0 carbs 6 days out of the week and doing cardio 20 mins every day. I went from 220 to 180 in about 2 months and got small as fuck but also lost a shit load of fat (16%ish body fat from the start down to 10%) and an easy 10lbs of water weight. I was flat, out of energy, my weight loss stalled even when on T3 at 100mcg, my strength suffered big time, arms shrunk, actually I shrunk muscle wise a lot. After I couldn't take it anymore I upped my calories back up to 2000-2200 and carb cycle and kept fats pretty low I started getting leaner and way fuller and doing cardio 30 mins every day with the treadmill at the highest incline at 3.5 speed which is a power walk. I'm like 187 now and 8-9% bodyfat but much bigger and strength is back up where it used to be and now I can see abs without flexing. Full of energy and train 7 days a week and cardio 7 days a week.
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High Carb/Low Fat Diet + Test/Tren/T3 work best for me.
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I did the Galenieko/Starvation thing. Really didn't work out that much for me I looked like shit by the end. I bulked up from like 190 to 220 on Tren test mast cycle and ended up getting fat as fuck but also huge and lots of muscle gain. After I ended the cycle I crash dieted (Big mistake) from eating my typical 4-5K calories to like 1-1.5K calories per day and 0 carbs 6 days out of the week and doing cardio 20 mins every day.
Low cals plus really low carbs is a big no-no for me.
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What kind of bad experiences?
It just stalled your progress or something more specific?
I was saving all but 200 calories until my one, nighlty meal. Most of those 200 cals went into coffee creamer.
It was a living nightmare. I was a complete nervous wreck and felt on the verge of mental collapse. I became obsessed with calorie counting and so afraid of going over 2k that I often probably ate only 1500 or so.
I learned so much... So many miserable experiences in my life I now understand were simple attributable to hunger. But this was another level of mental illness.
I always noticed, but never mentioned, how gal and no one seemed moody and erratic. Now, I think I know exactly what was going on... Whether it was cigs, coke, or who knows what else (gal) or caffeine (me, no one), we got ripped to the bone at the cost of mental soundness.
You feel capable and happy as the fat falls off and the drugs drip in, masking the warning signs. Past a certain point things start going horribly wrong...
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Low cals plus really low carbs is a big no-no for me.
I think this may be the case for me too. It seems like all of the foods that I'm supposed to 'stay away from', e.g. sugary foods that are supposed 'spike blood sugar then leave you hungry shortly after' are actually more satisfying in the long run.
I seem to notice 300 cals of a sugary food will leave me craving more immediately and slightly depressed in the short term. Over the next few hours though, I'm okay.
300 cals of fat/protein doesn't give me that immediate depression and I 'should' feel better for longer... In fact I seem to feel worse, hungrier.
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Imagine if u put all this energy & thought into getting rich
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Interesting shit guys, but i heard you mention you carb cycled with low fat, does that mean even on low carb days you kept fats low? Isnt that bad?
Also, when u have hi carb days do you eat more than 2200 cals?
Im doing about 1800 kcals of hi fat low carb now and do feel pretty shitty. I cheat once or twice with anythting i want per week (cookie binges, cake, pizza). Not healthy but i feel its needed. Once i hit where i want i will keep carbs low around 20-30 grams but up the calories to 2200 or so.
I also do what u do. Small 300 cal breakfast, 300-400 cal lunch and then 1000 or so at dinner
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Interesting shit guys, but i heard you mention you carb cycled with low fat, does that mean even on low carb days you kept fats low? Isnt that bad?
Also, when u have hi carb days do you eat more than 2200 cals?
Im doing about 1800 kcals of hi fat low carb now and do feel pretty shitty. I cheat once or twice with anythting i want per week (cookie binges, cake, pizza). Not healthy but i feel its needed. Once i hit where i want i will keep carbs low around 20-30 grams but up the calories to 2200 or so.
I also do what u do. Small 300 cal breakfast, 300-400 cal lunch and then 1000 or so at dinner
No I change my fats too. For example Yesterday I kept carbs at 250 and fats at 50, today my carbs are at 100-120 and fats at 65-70. Also regarding cheats, if you're still pretty fat, keep it to one cheat meal a week because you don't want crazy insulin levels multiple times a day to lose weight, if you're pretty lean you can have a whole cheat day but don't binge and stuff yourself to the point where you can't move and you can handle those crazy insulin levels through the day.
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Fat all the way.
Carbohydrates is the # 1 reason for the lard-ass epidemic in this country.
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Some people can eat 5000+ calories during Thanksgiving and feel full but go on about their day like it's no big deal. Others will eat that kind of meal and have to sit down because they get vertigo like symptoms...
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No I change my fats too. For example Yesterday I kept carbs at 250 and fats at 50, today my carbs are at 100-120 and fats at 65-70. Also regarding cheats, if you're still pretty fat, keep it to one cheat meal a week because you don't want crazy insulin levels multiple times a day to lose weight, if you're pretty lean you can have a whole cheat day but don't binge and stuff yourself to the point where you can't move and you can handle those crazy insulin levels through the day.
Right but do your calories change on those days or is that constant?
Yeah i mean ill eat a pizza one night but earlier that day ill barely hit 800 cals total. Not sure how much a large pizza is cal wise, but yeah...maybe 2k total?
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Right but do your calories change on those days or is that constant?
Yeah i mean ill eat a pizza one night but earlier that day ill barely hit 800 cals total. Not sure how much a large pizza is cal wise, but yeah...maybe 2k total?
yes I keep the calories constant that's why when I drop the carbs lower I make fats higher to end up equaling the same amount of calories. I use myfitnesspal on the iPhone you can download it for free it's amazing to help you track calories