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Ummm, this isn't going as planned Mr. President!
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Ummm, this isn't going as planned Mr. President!
He looks like a pig to me.
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This was the driver and the only one charged with murder
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Bullshit, no fucking way?!!
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Bullshit, no fucking way?!!
Oh no this is to good to be true
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Appears to be true. Three whites and three black officers.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html
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Caesar Goodson is the only guy charged with murder. Not the other darkies.
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so what's the latest?
the driver did the brake test, charged with murder.
The other 5 kept it quiet, covered up the incident?
Is that the case here?
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so what's the latest?
the driver did the brake test, charged with murder.
The other 5 kept it quiet, covered up the incident?
Is that the case here?
We don't know that the other five knew about the brake check. They don't all travel in the van, or with the van in a procession.
This case is turning into a page turner. Black driver LOL
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fuck race - the cop intentionally caused grave bodily harm to a man in handcuffs.
ANYONE who excuses this DOES NOT RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW.
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Nothing like some trumped up bullshit charges filed with absolutely ZERO proof to back the charges up. You cop haters must have been busted multiple times with a long rap sheet attached to it. Yes, it's always the cops fault. Never mind the kid the tested positive to heroine, opiates and pot in his system.
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And this is from liberal rag....
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fuck race - the cop intentionally caused grave bodily harm to a man in handcuffs.
ANYONE who excuses this DOES NOT RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW.
Yeah, but its not going to get the media attention it may have had he'd been white... that the cause of the LOL.
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Nothing like some trumped up bullshit charges filed with absolutely ZERO proof to back the charges up.
wait right there -
How do you know the charges are bullshit? how do you know there is zero proof?
They haven't released the report yet. The prosecutor who filed the charges - she HAS read the report. You have not. How can you POSSIBLY know there is zero proof when you haven't been able to read the proof yet?
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Wow....Just wow..... didn't see that one coming
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And this is from liberal rag....
Asian's know how to shut the fuck up
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Bwahahahaha!
Obviously a racist.
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Nothing like some trumped up bullshit charges filed with absolutely ZERO proof to back the charges up.
Did you read what they did release? The cop ADMITTED doing the things they're charging him with LOL
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html
Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr. HAS ALREADY ADMITTED IT.
Shit man, this cop's actions were in the report, and they're in clear violation of the law. "Zero Proof?" The Cops gave it to them lol.
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Asian's know how to shut the fuck up
Or they just rarely ever commit a crime to actually be approached by cops in the first place.
Come to think about it, how often do asian or middle-eastern people (not counting obvious terrorism) commit crimes in the US? I mean, whenever you turn on the news and hear about rape, murder, robbery, it tends to be black, white or spanish.
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wait right there -
How do you know the charges are bullshit? how do you know there is zero proof?
They haven't released the report yet. The prosecutor who filed the charges - she HAS read the report. You have not. How can you POSSIBLY know there is zero proof when you haven't been able to read the proof yet?
Dude, do you fucking realize how long it takes to gather evidence and proof to come up with a fucking murder charge. They would have had to wake up in the morning with the full intent to go out and KILL someone. Are you serious? You really think you're going to be able to PROVE six cops (3 white 3 black) purposely had the Intent to kill a black person that day? There is absolutely ZERO proof and not only that the prosecuting attorney has personal ties to the family. Get off your cop hating bullshit rants and think for a change. I swear to God Rob I think you're just trolling 90% of the time
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Did you read what they did release? The cop ADMITTED doing the things they're charging him with LOL
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html
Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr. HAS ALREADY ADMITTED IT.
Shit man, this cop's actions were in the report, and they're in clear violation of the law. "Zero Proof?" The Cops gave it to them lol.
What? Not buckling the prisoners seat belt?
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(240 frantically Googling dirt on cops)
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Dude, do you fucking realize how long it takes to gather evidence and proof to come up with a fucking murder charge. They would have had to wake up in the morning with the full intent to go out and KILL someone. Are you serious? You really think you're going to be able to PROVE six cops (3 white 3 black) purposely had the Intent to kill a black person that day? There is absolutely ZERO proof and not only that the prosecuting attorney has personal ties to the family. Get off your cop hating bullshit rants and think for a change. I swear to God Rob I think you're just trolling 90% of the time
The cop filed his report. He admitted he laid the dude down prone in the van. He admitted the man was asking for medical attention, said he couldn't breathe. He admitted he made other stops all while this dude got worse then finally expired.
When a cop has a person in custody, it's a special kind of responsibility. You may not realize this - they are in charge of the prisoner's health. IF the prisoner begs for medical attention, you have to give it. Read the charges again:
Failure to find probable cause, illegal arrest, failure to seek or render medical aid, gross negligence and misconduct.
The arrest was illegal, as the knife was legal. The cops shouldn't have arrested him, they admitted they did.
The cops admitted there was no PC, they arrested anyway.
The cops admitted they didn't render medical aid when requested, THEY ADMITTED IT.
Their own report cooks them, Coach. They did it. Took a man who did no crime, and let him die in their van. The fact you aren't fucking outraged that in 2015, cops can toss a person in van for no crime, and drive them around while they beg for medical help... which amendments of the constitution DO you like? 8 or 9 of them?
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(240 frantically Googling dirt on cops)
Cops admitted it. They had no grounds to arrest him, they just didn't like his record or his punk ass face.
If you support the cops arresting a man who didn't commit a crime, then you don't support the constition. PERIOD.
That's liberal shit right there... "lock him up, even if he broke no law".
Then when he dies in custody, for committing no crime... hey, its not the cops fault.
Shit man, its the USA. The Constituton protects us from illegal search, seizure, detention. Imagine how pissed you'd be - locked up for NO LAW BROKEN - and left to die facedown in a van.
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And this is from liberal rag....
You're not a math major are you?
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Coach - his concealed knife was legal under maryland law.
Therefore his detention was ILLEGAL.
They picked up a man who had committed NO CRIME, and they admit that now.
I think you missed that detail. He should never have been in police custody, his knife folded and was thus legal.
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Coach - his concealed knife was legal under maryland law.
Therefore his detention was ILLEGAL.
They picked up a man who had committed NO CRIME, and they admit that now.
I think you missed that detail. He should never have been in police custody, his knife folded and was thus legal.
Charged with second degree murder with depraved heart.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DepravedHeartMurder.aspx
Good luck with this. This was a trumped up bullshit charge that will go no where and as soon as it goes no where the idiots that already burned the city will probably burn the whole fucking state.
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not only was dude arrested for zero legal reason -
once he was unconscious and unresponsive (after asking for medical attention), the cops STILL didn't call it in for him.
They picked up a dude for no reason.
They arrested him for a trumped up charge.
He asked for medical help, they refused.
He went unconscious, they STILL didn't get medcal help.
They find him dead after a few more stops, and pretend they didn't know what happened.
Shit man, this is the US of FUCKING A. The man, like all of us, has a right not to be illegally detained and denied medical help.
Coach, when you said:
Nothing like some trumped up bullshit charges
Were you actually talking about the trumped up charges the cops illegally gave to Freddie Gray?
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Charged with second degree murder with depraved heart.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DepravedHeartMurder.aspx
Good luck with this. This was a trumped up bullshit charge that will go no where and as soon as it goes no where the idiots that already burned the city will probably burn the whole fucking state.
Coach, do you at least agree they broke the law by picking up a person who had committed ZERO CRIME and handcuffing him, tossing him in the back of the wagon?
yes or no?
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Charged with second degree murder with depraved heart.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DepravedHeartMurder.aspx
Good luck with this. This was a trumped up bullshit charge that will go no where and as soon as it goes no where the idiots that already burned the city will probably burn the whole fucking state.
Matthew 5:22 - But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
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Coach, do you at least agree they broke the law by picking up a person who had committed ZERO CRIME and handcuffing him, tossing him in the back of the wagon?
yes or no?
If there was no crime then why did he run when approached? (Why was he approached?) my guess at 10am in the morning it looked like a drug deal. Even if it wasn't the kid could have been recognized because he has a rap sheet 5 miles long with drug charges). I'm no cop or attorney but it seems to me the second you run from a cop give that cop has probable cause to run his ass down.
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Matthew 5:22 - But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Stfu up ad learn the bible. Not just what seems to fit your lame agenda.
Hope this helps.
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Cops admitted it. They had no grounds to arrest him, they just didn't like his record or his punk ass face.
If you support the cops arresting a man who didn't commit a crime, then you don't support the constition. PERIOD.
That's liberal shit right there... "lock him up, even if he broke no law".
Then when he dies in custody, for committing no crime... hey, its not the cops fault.
Shit man, its the USA. The Constituton protects us from illegal search, seizure, detention. Imagine how pissed you'd be - locked up for NO LAW BROKEN - and left to die facedown in a van.
Lol
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If there was no crime then why did he run when approached? (Why was he approached?) my guess at 10am in the morning it looked like a drug deal. Even if it wasn't the kid could have been recognized because he has a rap sheet 5 miles long with drug charges). I'm no cop or attorney but it seems to me the second you run from a cop give that cop has probable cause to run his ass down.
He ran after "eye contact".
He committed no crime. If I see cops and decide "I don't like it here, I'm going to jog outta here", they actually CANNOT DETAIN me just for running. The cop ADMITS THE DUDE DID NOTHING WRONG, just started running after eye contact.
Hey, again, it's the USA. You're ALLOWED to run unless they tell you to stop. The decided he must be guilty of something, deciding to jog at that moment, so they chased him down.
That's #1.
Now, #2? Once they caught him, they had no charge. They couldn't even charge him with "eluding" because they chased him for no reason. So they violated BAL law and charged him for a LEGAL weapon.
I guess I am asking you - do you realize he didn't actually commit any crime here, coach? Do you? Cause the cops have admitted it now, and the DA has too. Only YOU still believe he committed a crime here? OR do you now admit he was locked in police custody withouot actually breaking any law?
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So since its illegal to resist illegal arrest...but if you let them arrest you they can kill you on the way to jail. What are citizens to do if you're killed before you can get to court to have it sorted out?
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it seems to me the second you run from a cop give that cop has probable cause to run his ass down.
well, you are wrong here. People are ALLOWED TO RUN on the streets in america. People often decide, when they see multiple cops, it's time to jog on outta there, cause sometimes cops do things like, well, lock people in vans who haven't actually committed any crime.
Maybe you truly believe it's legal to lock people in cuffs in a van when they have broken no laws. I dunno. I wish you would admit "yes, they did lock his ass up despite the fact he broke no law".
Can we please start with that baby step? You admit he was arrested withtout breaking any law? (Remember, he wasn't charged with eluding police, cause they knew that wasn't a charge - they had no PC)
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Stfu up ad learn the bible. Not just what seems to fit your lame agenda.
Hope this helps.
James 1:26 - If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
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So since its illegal to resist illegal arrest...but if you let them arrest you they can kill you on the way to jail. What are citizens to do if you're killed before you can get to court to have it sorted out?
the police had no probable cause to stop the man. he doesn't like cops, he sees them and decides it is time to jog. THAT IS LEGAL, I think coach doesn't see that. Cops don't have to like it, but if youre not breaking any law, they can't just grab you and toss you in a van.
I think Coach is slowly realizing that while FOX is screaming "trumped up charges", Coach truly cannot admit ANYTHING the dead man did which actually broke any law. Coach?
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Love watching 240 meltdown about cops cause he spent 15 minutes in handcuffs once 10 years ago. Lol ;D
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the police had no probable cause to stop the man. he doesn't like cops, he sees them and decides it is time to jog. THAT IS LEGAL, I think coach doesn't see that. Cops don't have to like it, but if youre not breaking any law, they can't just grab you and toss you in a van.
I think Coach is slowly realizing that while FOX is screaming "trumped up charges", Coach truly cannot admit ANYTHING the dead man did which actually broke any law. Coach?
You can get away with walking or running in a low crime area, but if it's in say a drug-infested area Baltimore, no chance in hell they're letting a guy run.
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You can get away with walking or running in a low crime area, but if it's in say a drug-infested area Baltimore, no chance in hell they're letting a guy run.
But is running grounds for probable cause that allows an officer to chase someone? People can run for all different reasons, it does not mean they are necessarily committing a crime. Granted, I will contend that it may look more suspicious in a high-crime rate area, but the law does not automatically change just because youre in one neighborhood, as opposed to another. Running is not committing a crime. I mean, I don't know. I am asking a serious question.
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well, you are wrong here. People are ALLOWED TO RUN on the streets in america. People often decide, when they see multiple cops, it's time to jog on outta there, cause sometimes cops do things like, well, lock people in vans who haven't actually committed any crime.
Maybe you truly believe it's legal to lock people in cuffs in a van when they have broken no laws. I dunno. I wish you would admit "yes, they did lock his ass up despite the fact he broke no law".
Can we please start with that baby step? You admit he was arrested withtout breaking any law? (Remember, he wasn't charged with eluding police, cause they knew that wasn't a charge - they had no PC)
Come on down to E. LA, Compton or Watts, look suspicious, make eye contact with a cop then run. Let's see how far you get. Keep fucking with them.
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But is running grounds for probable cause that allows an officer to chase someone? People can run for all different reasons, it does not mean they are necessarily committing a crime. Granted, I will contend that it may look more suspicious in a high-crime rate area, but the law does not automatically change just because youre in one neighborhood, as opposed to another. Running is not committing a crime. I mean, I don't know. I am asking a serious question.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/run-police-us-courts-apply-double-standard-30676216
Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.
But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity.
This double standard is having a major impact as more black men die in encounters with police around the country. Many have been shot or tackled while trying to flee. The court rulings justifying police chases in high-crime areas where many African-Americans live are contributing to a dangerous divide between police and citizens, said Ezekiel Edwards, director of the Criminal Law Reform Project at the American Civil Liberties Union.
"Folks who are going to be the most intimidated or scared of the police are the same people in places where the Supreme Court has said, 'if you run from police, that's suspicion,'" he said.
Edwards is among the legal experts who say unprovoked flight, on its own, shouldn't justify a chase: "If you can walk away, you can run away. It shouldn't matter the speed at which you move away."
There are limits to this leeway: The Supreme Court and lower courts have repeatedly required police to have some justification for stopping or questioning someone in a public place. But several legal experts say that because he was standing in a drug-infested area, Gray's decision to bolt on April 12 may have justified the decision by four bicycle-riding officers to pursue and detain him.
"If the police show up and someone takes off running, that is enough to give rise to suspicion by police," said Joelle Moreno, a former federal prosecutor who is now associate dean of the Florida International University law school. "Running is enough for a preliminary level of suspicion."
Gray, 25, was pinned to a sidewalk, handcuffed and hoisted into a police van where he was put in leg irons after Baltimore officers said he made eye contact with them and ran. Somewhere along the way, he suffered a fatal spinal injury, and the six officers involved were suspended with pay amid a criminal investigation. Many in Baltimore are skeptical, questioning why officers chased after him to begin with.
Baltimore police initially said the officers acted because they believed Gray was involved in some kind of criminal activity. Later that day, an officer swore in a court document that he had found a knife clipped to the inside of Gray's pocket, and asked that he be charged with carrying a switchblade. A summons was produced, but Gray was in a coma by then, and died a week later.
"The officers made eye contact and he ran. That's part of the question we have to dig into, if there's more than just running. There is no law against running," Baltimore police commissioner Anthony Batts said.
A Gray family lawyer put it more plainly: "Felony running doesn't exist and you can't arrest someone for looking you in the eye," attorney Billy Murphy said.
Even without a law however, officers can make so-called "good arrests" of runners that will hold up in court because of two legal requirements that have evolved from court rulings on police powers to stop people. The first is higher — probable cause — which requires that police have "sufficiently trustworthy facts" to believe the person was or will be involved in a crime.
The second is lower — reasonable suspicion. The officer must still have specific facts warranting a stop, but not necessarily know whether a crime has been or will be committed. This is the pretext often used by police for "stop and frisk" encounters, and the fact that Gray was in an identifiable high-crime neighborhood adds to the justification by police.
"Courts have found that flight from police presence in a high-crime area creates reasonable suspicion warranting an investigatory stop," said Michael Grieco, a former Miami-Dade County prosecutor now in private practice. "Police are only supposed to use enough reasonable force for apprehension and we are repeatedly seeing the products of excessive tactics."
Others said courts have split on exactly what reasonable suspicion entails. Donald M. Jones, a University of Miami law professor and Baltimore native, said Gray's act of simply running away may not have been enough.
"That is very thin. People run for many reasons. Many people have reasons to be afraid of the police," Jones said. "I think that is ambiguous, but the courts are divided on that."
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/run-police-us-courts-apply-double-standard-30676216
Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.
But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity.
This double standard is having a major impact as more black men die in encounters with police around the country. Many have been shot or tackled while trying to flee. The court rulings justifying police chases in high-crime areas where many African-Americans live are contributing to a dangerous divide between police and citizens, said Ezekiel Edwards, director of the Criminal Law Reform Project at the American Civil Liberties Union.
"Folks who are going to be the most intimidated or scared of the police are the same people in places where the Supreme Court has said, 'if you run from police, that's suspicion,'" he said.
Edwards is among the legal experts who say unprovoked flight, on its own, shouldn't justify a chase: "If you can walk away, you can run away. It shouldn't matter the speed at which you move away."
There are limits to this leeway: The Supreme Court and lower courts have repeatedly required police to have some justification for stopping or questioning someone in a public place. But several legal experts say that because he was standing in a drug-infested area, Gray's decision to bolt on April 12 may have justified the decision by four bicycle-riding officers to pursue and detain him.
"If the police show up and someone takes off running, that is enough to give rise to suspicion by police," said Joelle Moreno, a former federal prosecutor who is now associate dean of the Florida International University law school. "Running is enough for a preliminary level of suspicion."
Gray, 25, was pinned to a sidewalk, handcuffed and hoisted into a police van where he was put in leg irons after Baltimore officers said he made eye contact with them and ran. Somewhere along the way, he suffered a fatal spinal injury, and the six officers involved were suspended with pay amid a criminal investigation. Many in Baltimore are skeptical, questioning why officers chased after him to begin with.
Baltimore police initially said the officers acted because they believed Gray was involved in some kind of criminal activity. Later that day, an officer swore in a court document that he had found a knife clipped to the inside of Gray's pocket, and asked that he be charged with carrying a switchblade. A summons was produced, but Gray was in a coma by then, and died a week later.
"The officers made eye contact and he ran. That's part of the question we have to dig into, if there's more than just running. There is no law against running," Baltimore police commissioner Anthony Batts said.
A Gray family lawyer put it more plainly: "Felony running doesn't exist and you can't arrest someone for looking you in the eye," attorney Billy Murphy said.
Even without a law however, officers can make so-called "good arrests" of runners that will hold up in court because of two legal requirements that have evolved from court rulings on police powers to stop people. The first is higher — probable cause — which requires that police have "sufficiently trustworthy facts" to believe the person was or will be involved in a crime.
The second is lower — reasonable suspicion. The officer must still have specific facts warranting a stop, but not necessarily know whether a crime has been or will be committed. This is the pretext often used by police for "stop and frisk" encounters, and the fact that Gray was in an identifiable high-crime neighborhood adds to the justification by police.
"Courts have found that flight from police presence in a high-crime area creates reasonable suspicion warranting an investigatory stop," said Michael Grieco, a former Miami-Dade County prosecutor now in private practice. "Police are only supposed to use enough reasonable force for apprehension and we are repeatedly seeing the products of excessive tactics."
Others said courts have split on exactly what reasonable suspicion entails. Donald M. Jones, a University of Miami law professor and Baltimore native, said Gray's act of simply running away may not have been enough.
"That is very thin. People run for many reasons. Many people have reasons to be afraid of the police," Jones said. "I think that is ambiguous, but the courts are divided on that."
Thanks for the article, Rambone.
That definitely makes situations more tricky. I mean, what do you do in neighborhoods that are somewhere in-between? Not the best neighborhoods, but not horrible either? To an extent, but not solely, this is subjective. Well, there are obvious areas that are more crime ridden than others. But sometimes the difference between a bad neighborhood and a not-so-bad neighborhood is a matter of blocks.
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Dude, do you fucking realize how long it takes to gather evidence and proof to come up with a fucking murder charge. They would have had to wake up in the morning with the full intent to go out and KILL someone. Are you serious? You really think you're going to be able to PROVE six cops (3 white 3 black) purposely had the Intent to kill a black person that day? There is absolutely ZERO proof and not only that the prosecuting attorney has personal ties to the family. Get off your cop hating bullshit rants and think for a change. I swear to God Rob I think you're just trolling 90% of the time
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In the vast majority of states, running from the cops is grounds to be chased and cuffed up. I think only those covered by the 9th district (Maryland isn't one of them) forbid cops from going after people who run from them. Otherwise, it's presumed if you are running, there's a reason, and you'll get chased. And resisting arrest is, then, legally grounds for arrest.
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Come on down to E. LA, Compton or Watts, look suspicious, make eye contact with a cop then run. Let's see how far you get. Keep fucking with them.
de facto, not de jure.
It's not probable cause, bro.
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In the vast majority of states, running from the cops is grounds to be chased and cuffed up. I think only those covered by the 9th district (Maryland isn't one of them) forbid cops from going after people who run from them. Otherwise, it's presumed if you are running, there's a reason, and you'll get chased. And resisting arrest is, then, legally grounds for arrest.
He wasn't running from police. He decided to run and they didn't like the looks of it, so they stopped and searched him.
The cops admit they didn't say "stop", then he ran. The cops just said "one of us had eye contact with him, and he started running, so we chased him and cuffed him".
So not to feed the whole protester thing - they should all be beaten with fire hosts - but if Freddie Gray is a 58 year old Eskimo women in jogging clothes who makes eye contact with a policeman and starts running - do they chase, stop, pin, cuff and search her?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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You can get away with walking or running in a low crime area, but if it's in say a drug-infested area Baltimore, no chance in hell they're letting a guy run.
If it's a 63 year old man from Taiwan, wearing a business suit, and he makes eye contact with a bike cop and starts runnning...
Do they chase him down? Do they cuff him? Do they illegally detain him for a legal knife?
Shit man, the cops ADMIT they had no cause to stop. They ADMIT the knife wasn't a legal reason to detain/arrest. They ADMIT he asked for help over and over. They they admit he was suddenly dead.
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Every time one of those bums gets arrested they beg for medical attention so they can go to the hospital instead of jail. Everyone of them begs for it. They stopped three times to try and calm the fucker down. Imagine dealing with these dirt bags day to day in the worst heroin district in the country 240 your are a retard I hope you aren't white.
This is absolutely political Obama is pulling the string on all this shit. That speech that lady gave made me throw up in my mouth. Taking the side of the protesters. She had one fucking night to do her investigation what a joke. The left has turned into a gang. How can you charge them with second degree murder it will never etick
My hatred for the left just keeps growing stronger and stronger and I know a lot of other people fed up with this horse shit. It's going to boil over.
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He wasn't running from police. He decided to run and they didn't like the looks of it, so they stopped and searched him.
The cops admit they didn't say "stop", then he ran. The cops just said "one of us had eye contact with him, and he started running, so we chased him and cuffed him".
So not to feed the whole protester thing - they should all be beaten with fire hosts - but if Freddie Gray is a 58 year old Eskimo women in jogging clothes who makes eye contact with a policeman and starts running - do they chase, stop, pin, cuff and search her?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
"he wasn't running"
"he decided to run"
Help me out here.
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If it's a 63 year old man from Taiwan, wearing a business suit, and he makes eye contact with a bike cop and starts runnning...
Do they chase him down? Do they cuff him? Do they illegally detain him for a legal knife?
Shit man, the cops ADMIT they had no cause to stop. They ADMIT the knife wasn't a legal reason to detain/arrest. They ADMIT he asked for help over and over. They they admit he was suddenly dead.
Maybe if he was Vietnamese.
Calm down. It was a joke
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Every time one of those bums gets arrested they beg for medical attention so they can go to the hospital instead of jail. Everyone of them begs for it. They stopped three times to try and calm the fucker down. Imagine dealing with these dirt bags day to day in the worst heroin district in the country 240 your are a retard I hope you aren't white.
This is absolutely political Obama is pulling the string on all this shit. That speech that lady gave made me throw up in my mouth. Taking the side of the protesters. She had one fucking night to do her investigation what a joke. The left has turned into a gang. How can you charge them with second degree murder it will never etick
My hatred for the left just keeps growing stronger and stronger and I know a lot of other people fed up with this horse shit. It's going to boil over.
The issue is that its not the cops place to decide who deserves medical attention and who doesn't. A person can complain of heart pain and it would be impossible to verify until taken to the hospital. Do many suspects do this to avoid prison? Yes. But you still need to take people to the hospital if they complain about something medical because you never know when they are telling the truth. It sucks, and its a waste of time and resources when they are faking, but I see no other way around it.
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The issue is that its not the cops place to decide who deserves medical attention and who doesn't. A person can complain of heart pain and it would be impossible to verify until taken to the hospital. Do many suspects do this to avoid prison? Yes. But you still need to take people to the hospital if they complain about something medical because you never know when they are telling the truth. It sucks, and its a waste of time and resources when they are faking, but I see no other way around it.
It's a judgement call. They have the right to make that call.
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he wasn't arrested for any legal reason.
he wasn't chased for any legal reason.
he wasn't searched for any legal reason.
There was no legal reason to put him in the van and drive away.
It could be any of us getting cuffed, arrested, and locked up without committing any actual crime.
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Love watching 240 meltdown about cops cause he spent 15 minutes in handcuffs once 10 years ago. Lol ;D
240 measures the precise distance during police-criminal accounts, therefore, he is able to assess any situation with precision. ;D ;D ;D
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It's a judgement call. They have the right to make that call.
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Did you read what they did release? The cop ADMITTED doing the things they're charging him with LOL
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html
I just read this CNN article. At no point does it say that the officers are on record that what happened came from them directly.
It is Mosby's assertions from what she believed happened based on initial questioning.
Just allegations so far.
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Being that half the cops are black, this doesn't quite fit the racist agenda they were trying to push on us. Yet I haven't seen the media even bring this up. ::)
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Do you mean the looting losers in MD did it for nothing?
Will they bring everything back to the stores, or keep the stuff?
Hey, it's not our fault that we're destroying our own neighborhoods and private businesses of other innocent folks, not our fault.
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Caesar Goodson is the only guy charged with murder. Not the other darkies.
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50 shades of Gray ? They sure look pissed !
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http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/05/01/clarke-freddie-gray-charges-duke-lacrosse-case-all-over-again/
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http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/05/01/clarke-freddie-gray-charges-duke-lacrosse-case-all-over-again/
stop posting links.
start telling me if YOU believe the man being throwing in the back of the police van was even legal in the first place.
Do you?
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he made "eye contact" with one of the cops, according to their statement.
They already say he wasn't doing anything wrong, but they saw him running so they decided to VIOLATE his rights and stop him. Yes, police can't just randomly stop you for no reason. It's called America.
They stopped him (illegally) since there was no probable cause.
They searched him (illegally) and found a LEGAL pocket knife.
They detained him (illegally) for the LEGAL knife.
They put him a police transport van and drove away.
Now, even if he's never injured, never begs for medical help, and never dies on their floor - Is ANYONE here doing to defend the fact the man never broke a law but was in cuffs, unable to breathe, begging for medical help?
I mean, he broke no law. Nobody here can list ANY law the man broke. His "running" isn't probable cause. They had no legal reason to fck with this man.
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100 of the 223 people detained for rioting and looting were released without any charges being filed. According to 240 logic they were all illegally arrested.
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100 of the 223 people detained for rioting and looting were released without any charges being filed. According to 240 logic they were all illegally arrested.
according to 240 logic, they were on the streets breaking the law. They should have been firehosed.
I was the one screaming at the TV (and getbig) about the fact these idiots weren't getting beaten and arrested. Then, hours later, the mayor confirmed my conspiracy theory (same one I had with ferguson), that police were giving people room "to destroy", as she put it.
Dude, i'm not soft on bad guy. i think gray was a bag of shit, I think the protesters should be locked the fck up.
But I think cops that illegally arrest a man then let him die in the police custody should be in the cells next to them.
My distaste for cops illegally detaining Gray, has nothing to do with my equal distaste for those pieces of shit throwing rocks and acting the fool. They should all be in lockup together.
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see, that's the big thing here - very important -
we dont HAVE to choose a side.
Cops AND protesters are both wrong, are both criminal here. :)
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stop posting links.
start telling me if YOU believe the man being throwing in the back of the police van was even legal in the first place.
Do you?
Yes!! He was seen in a drug transaction. You believe the trumped up charges by a Sharpton driven prosecutor like you believe Obama. Did you even read that article about what Clarke said?? I would bet not.
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according to 240 logic, they were on the streets breaking the law. They should have been firehosed.
I was the one screaming at the TV (and getbig) about the fact these idiots weren't getting beaten and arrested. Then, hours later, the mayor confirmed my conspiracy theory (same one I had with ferguson), that police were giving people room "to destroy", as she put it.
Dude, i'm not soft on bad guy. i think gray was a bag of shit, I think the protesters should be locked the fck up.
But I think cops that illegally arrest a man then let him die in the police custody should be in the cells next to them.
My distaste for cops illegally detaining Gray, has nothing to do with my equal distaste for those pieces of shit throwing rocks and acting the fool. They should all be in lockup together.
It's not YOUR logic, it's you being gullible. So I'll ask the same question I asked last night. How do you bring murder 2 charges with no investigation?
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Yes!! He was seen in a drug transaction.
LINK me up, baby!
This sure violates what the charges say. Link, please, and no "anonymous sources" cause these same sources were wrong as shit this week.
LINK to the witness showing him in a drug transaction. Also, so weird no drugs or $ were recovered, huh?
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It's not YOUR logic, it's you being gullible. So I'll ask the same question I asked last night. How do you bring murder 2 charges with no investigation?
no no no - We are starting with the initial confrontation. "Gray made eye contact and decided to run".
We have to follow the law, the cops do too - now, where do you get "drug transaction" here? Where are the drugs?
This is fishy as fck, the arrest report didn't mention drug transaction. Do you have anything to substantiate that? You want to CHANGE THE SUBJECT to murder cause the whole 'illegal arrest' debate wasn't going your way?
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no no no - We are starting with the initial confrontation. "Gray made eye contact and decided to run".
We have to follow the law, the cops do too - now, where do you get "drug transaction" here? Where are the drugs?
This is fishy as fck, the arrest report didn't mention drug transaction. Do you have anything to substantiate that? You want to CHANGE THE SUBJECT to murder cause the whole 'illegal arrest' debate wasn't going your way?
Prosecutors had the case for a day. How did they arrive at that conclusion? Don't skate or spin the answer.
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It's not YOUR logic, it's you being gullible. So I'll ask the same question I asked last night. How do you bring murder 2 charges with no investigation?
How many cops do you train?
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How many cops do you train?
A lot and my best friend is a cop. Yes, some are black. Just like in Baltimore.
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LINK me up, baby!
This sure violates what the charges say. Link, please, and no "anonymous sources" cause these same sources were wrong as shit this week.
LINK to the witness showing him in a drug transaction. Also, so weird no drugs or $ were recovered, huh?
http://m.therightscoop.com/fox-news-bombshell-freddie-gray-tested-positive-for-heroin-and-pot-cops-saw-him-dealing-drugs/
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A lot and my best friend is a cop. Yes, some are black. Just like in Baltimore.
Okay that explains it all.
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Okay that explains it all.
What does it explain? This should be good.
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http://m.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-baltimore-prosecutor-is-a-hack-and-a-disgrace/
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http://m.therightscoop.com/fox-news-bombshell-freddie-gray-tested-positive-for-heroin-and-pot-cops-saw-him-dealing-drugs/
no, this is "right wing scoop" with an anonymous interview, lacking any kind of supporting evidence.
Sorry, but that's shady as fck lol. The same police dept that's been anonymously leaking shit all week, now false?
What about the secret prisoner that saw Gray do it to himself? more police fakery.
Sorry, if this dude was selling heroin, they'd be screaming it from the rooftops, not hiding in shadows lol.
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http://m.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-baltimore-prosecutor-is-a-hack-and-a-disgrace/
again, you're attacking the prosecutor, which is cool, but fails to explain why they arrested the man in the first place.
Report says "eye contact". Doesn't say drugs. the only person saying drugs is a right-wing conspiracy site, with an "anonymous" dude hiding in shadows. You're flirting with conspiracy theory at this point.
Sure, the prosecutor is a bag of shit, shady as they come. But unless you can prove "he was selling drugs"? You don't think those 6 cops would be shouting it from the rooftops, maybe even put it in their report? lol they didn't did they? ;)
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again, you're attacking the prosecutor, which is cool, but fails to explain why they arrested the man in the first place.
Report says "eye contact". Doesn't say drugs. the only person saying drugs is a right-wing conspiracy site, with an "anonymous" dude hiding in shadows. You're flirting with conspiracy theory at this point.
Sure, the prosecutor is a bag of shit, shady as they come. But unless you can prove "he was selling drugs"? You don't think those 6 cops would be shouting it from the rooftops, maybe even put it in their report? lol they didn't did they? ;)
240, how many feet away from the suspect were these cops on a rooftop? ;D
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Regardless of what happens you know somebodys gonna get clipped.
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240 should quit the half assed website business and travel the country with Sharpton and Jackson protesting police.
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240 should quit the half assed website business and travel the country with Sharpton and Jackson protesting police.
I want to see 240 on CNN, FoxNews, and MSNBC. I know 240 would bring the truth.
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240 should quit the half assed website business and travel the country with Sharpton and Jackson protesting police.
Racist post reported
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again, you're attacking the prosecutor, which is cool, but fails to explain why they arrested the man in the first place.
Report says "eye contact". Doesn't say drugs. the only person saying drugs is a right-wing conspiracy site, with an "anonymous" dude hiding in shadows. You're flirting with conspiracy theory at this point.
Sure, the prosecutor is a bag of shit, shady as they come. But unless you can prove "he was selling drugs"? You don't think those 6 cops would be shouting it from the rooftops, maybe even put it in their report? lol they didn't did they? ;)
Sorry dude, Fox was the only one who got the interview
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no, this is "right wing scoop" with an anonymous interview, lacking any kind of supporting evidence.
Sorry, but that's shady as fck lol. The same police dept that's been anonymously leaking shit all week, now false?
What about the secret prisoner that saw Gray do it to himself? more police fakery.
Sorry, if this dude was selling heroin, they'd be screaming it from the rooftops, not hiding in shadows lol.
Ahhhh, I get it. You believe Sharpton and and his racist (which is shit to hell because three of those cops were black) minions over the cops. Why doesn't this surprise me considering who you voted for....twice.
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One thing we can all agree on is that Obama has done a great job of fulfilling the collective hope of the country that one day blacks and whites can live together in peaceful harmony. Race relations are at an all time high right now. Just look at how whites like 240 kowtow to black thugs like Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and Freddie Gray. This never would've been possible without Obama, Holder, Sharpton and Jackson bringing the collective white guilt to the surface.
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This is very simple, a man died in custody how did he die and who if anybody was responsible.
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This is very simple, a man died in custody how did he die and who if anybody was responsible.
Yes, but also - why was he in custody if he broke no law?
The cops are being charged with illegal arrest of the man. They chased him without probable cause, and they arrested him even though his knife was legal.
Cops should be punished if they just pick up random people off the street, who have committed no crime in the first place.
IMO, there are a few sections here. 1) why was he thrown in van despite no crime, 2) what/whose actions fucked him up, and 3) which cops, if any, were aware of his messed up medical situation and didn't alert EMS as he begged for it.
It's easy for some getbiggers (not you, others) to just claim he was a punk, he deserved it. But if they put themselves in the same position - handcuffed, locked up, hurt somehow and begging for medical care, then dying alone on floor of police van... that's a horrible fate for anyone to endure, much less someone who broke no law.
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Yes, but also - why was he in custody if he broke no law?
The cops are being charged with illegal arrest of the man. They chased him without probable cause, and they arrested him even though his knife was legal.
Cops should be punished if they just pick up random people off the street, who have committed no crime in the first place.
IMO, there are a few sections here. 1) why was he thrown in van despite no crime, 2) what/whose actions fucked him up, and 3) which cops, if any, were aware of his messed up medical situation and didn't alert EMS as he begged for it.
It's easy for some getbiggers (not you, others) to just claim he was a punk, he deserved it. But if they put themselves in the same position - handcuffed, locked up, hurt somehow and begging for medical care, then dying alone on floor of police van... that's a horrible fate for anyone to endure, much less someone who broke no law.
Notice I said "in custody". Probable cause to arrest is often times an iffy occurrence. Running from a cop is not illegal but also no a good idea. Maybe this kid had an asthma attack and once they caught him he needed an inhaler. IF this was so I'm betting those cops were not too concerned about getting him help after running after him. As far as his past offenses that should have nothing to do with anything as far as being arrested and "deserving" to die. I totally agree that if he was arrested with no cause then they should be prosecuted. While trying this case what ever happened after the arrest will mean little as far as the defense because with out an illegal arrest this man would not have died in that van.
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Notice I said "in custody". Probable cause to arrest is often times an iffy occurrence. Running from a cop is not illegal but also no a good idea. Maybe this kid had an asthma attack and once they caught him he needed an inhaler. IF this was so I'm betting those cops were not too concerned about getting him help after running after him. As far as his past offenses that should have nothing to do with anything as far as being arrested and "deserving" to die. I totally agree that if he was arrested with no cause then they should be prosecuted. While trying this case what ever happened after the arrest will mean little as far as the defense because with out an illegal arrest this man would not have died in that van.
Yeah, it's weird. Many people are saying "he shouldnt have ran!" but it's totally legal for a man to see police and decide to run, and without probable cause, they can't do anything but watch him. I would 100% support them watching him run and deciding to arrest him if he did any crime. But the report said "After eye contact with one of the officers, he started running".
Not a crime. It's the USA, some people forget that. Cops aren't legally able to just stop and search you if you break no law, if they have no PC. I guess since it doesn't happen to some folks, they are okay with it happening to others.
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This is very simple, a man died in custody how did he die and who if anybody was responsible.
Then you put the cops on administrative leave until the investigation is concluded. Not the fucking day after the prosecutor gets the case. Man. talk about being racist. Racism doesn't get any more clear than what you've seen in NY, Ferguson and Baltimore. Corrupt government at best.
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Notice I said "in custody". Probable cause to arrest is often times an iffy occurrence. Running from a cop is not illegal but also no a good idea. Maybe this kid had an asthma attack and once they caught him he needed an inhaler. IF this was so I'm betting those cops were not too concerned about getting him help after running after him. As far as his past offenses that should have nothing to do with anything as far as being arrested and "deserving" to die. I totally agree that if he was arrested with no cause then they should be prosecuted. While trying this case what ever happened after the arrest will mean little as far as the defense because with out an illegal arrest this man would not have died in that van.
The sheer act of breathing heavily can be an "iffy occurrence" for a pig. It happened to me years ago. To make a long story short: I park my car on the other side of a park with the intention of going to a restaurant about 10 blocks away. I drop off my friends at the restaurant and I go look for a spot. Park the car and I start running through the park to get to the restaurant (took me about 15 minutes to find a spot). All of a sudden I get tackled by multiple pigs from behind. Front teeth broken, bleeding profusely from the mouth, the pig's first reaction is to question me: "Why were you running through the park? Why are you breathing so heavily?". Needless to say, I was too stunned to utter anything. Pigs drive me to the restaurant still bleeding profusely (instead of the hospital) and get hostile with my friends.
I took them all to court and settled out of court (and ended up getting paid a nice amount of money by the city of Newark, new teeth and apology from the pigs and their boss included) but, to this day, I curse their existence, their kid's existence and their fucking entire pig family's existence for having such a swine of a family member.
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Then you put the cops on administrative leave until the investigation is concluded. Not the fucking day after the prosecutor gets the case. Man. talk about being racist. Racism doesn't get any more clear than what you've seen in NY, Ferguson and Baltimore. Corrupt government at best.
It's possible that they know something that we don't.
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And, it was fun to hear the pig chief look at these officers like he wanted to hang them by a noose.
The chief was really ROYALLY pissed. He knew he was sitting on a potential million-dollar case (one of my friends at the restaurant was a corporate lawyer and he wanted that department closed down, going as far as taking vacation time to fuck them over real good,) and losing a lot of "face". In the end I settle OOC by much less + an apology and an explanation.
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And, it was fun to hear the pig chief look at these officers like he wanted to hang them by a noose.
The chief was really ROYALLY pissed. He knew he was sitting on a potential million-dollar case (one of my friends at the restaurant was a corporate lawyer and he wanted that department closed down, going as far as taking vacation time to fuck them over real good,) and losing a lot of "face". In the end I settle OOC by much less + an apology and an explanation.
How long did it take to settle?
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The sheer act of breathing heavily can be an "iffy occurrence" for a pig. It happened to me years ago. To make a long story short: I park my car on the other side of a park with the intention of going to a restaurant about 10 blocks away. I drop off my friends at the restaurant and I go look for a spot. Park the car and I start running through the park to get to the restaurant (took me about 15 minutes to find a spot). All of a sudden I get tackled by multiple pigs from behind. Front teeth broken, bleeding profusely from the mouth, the pig's first reaction is to question me: "Why were you running through the park? Why are you breathing so heavily?". Needless to say, I was too stunned to utter anything. Pigs drive me to the restaurant still bleeding profusely (instead of the hospital) and get hostile with my friends.
I took them all to court and settled out of court (and ended up getting paid a nice amount of money by the city of Newark, new teeth and apology from the pigs and their boss included) but, to this day, I curse their existence, their kid's existence and their fucking entire pig family's existence for having such a swine of a family member.
That's a HUGE problem is the subjective nature of suspicion. Furthermore, every person has different levels of paranoia and suspicion, which means no event is going to elicit a similar response in the same 2 people. Now there are obvious situations which would elicit fear and suspicion among any cop (brandishing a weapon). But there are more subtle situations, which are VERY subjective. If you move or look a certain way, etc. When I was in California I was at a stoplight and there was a cop car next to me. For whatever reason, I glanced at him and made eye contact, then turned away. I started to pull away and he starts to follow me. Pulls me over and asks me where I am going, etc. I was dressed in work clothes and had my work badge on me, so he just let me go. But technically he had no right to pull me over. All I did was make eye contact with him. That is not breaking the law. Ive never ever been in trouble with the law. 100% clean record, except for minor traffic violations. Another cop may have just looked at me and turned away, and forgot about the whole thing. Too much subjectivity in terms of what is deemed "suspicious."
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That's a HUGE problem is the subjective nature of suspicion. Furthermore, every person has different levels of paranoia and suspicion, which means no event is going to elicit a similar response in the same 2 people. Now there are obvious situations which would elicit fear and suspicion among any cop (brandishing a weapon). But there are more subtle situations, which are VERY subjective. If you move or look a certain way, etc. When I was in California I was at a stoplight and there was a cop car next to me. For whatever reason, I glanced at him and made eye contact, then turned away. I started to pull away and he starts to follow me. Pulls me over and asks me where I am going, etc. I was dressed in work clothes and had my work badge on me, so he just let me go. But technically he had no right to pull me over. All I did was make eye contact with him. That is not breaking the law. Ive never ever been in trouble with the law. 100% clean record, except for minor traffic violations. Another cop may have just looked at me and turned away, and forgot about the whole thing. Too much subjectivity in terms of what is deemed "suspicious."
Very simple just politely decline to answer any questions. All you are legally required to do at a stop is to show license insurance and registration.
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Very simple just politely decline to answer any questions. All you are legally required to do at a stop is to show license insurance and registration.
You decline to answer questions, then they bust your balls. And of course they are going to take each others side if they do something wrong. Its a no-win situation for the civilian.
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You decline to answer questions, then they bust your balls. And of course they are going to take each others side if they do something wrong. Its a no-win situation for the civilian.
Not sure what you mean by bust your balls. If you're nice and tell them you are declining to answer any questions they can't do a thing. Just don't be a dick.
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Not sure what you mean by bust your balls. If you're nice and tell them you are declining to answer any questions they can't do a thing. Just don't be a dick.
ha, because no cop ever busted anyones balls lol :-\ :-\
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ha, because no cop ever busted anyones balls lol :-\ :-\
True but most of the time when someone says they didn't do anything wrong they started shouting about knowing their rights blah blah and all this does is piss off the cop. You can't be arrested for remaining silent and they know this that is why they will try and trick you. You will never out talk a cop. I'm a pretty big guy never so far had any problems when being pulled over. Half the time we start bsing about other stuff.
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Looks like a "having a bad day" Brady Bunch photo. What's the matter, boys......and mutt? Your van ride didn't end up with you "just doing your job and getting home safely to your family" like many of them claim to just want to do? Aw....too bad.
Look on the bright side..... when all this is over and done, many new job opportunities are likely to open, since the old neighborhood seems to be going through a renovation period..... ;D
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weird how people on the news cleared the cops of any wrongdoing, without seeing the info, and we repeated it, without seeing the info.
now that the prosecutor has all the facts, she has decided to press charges - And suddenly we're screaming about a rush to judgment. She has more info than us. She knows the case.
I heard on Michael savage last night, him saying the cops were 100% innocent. How the mother fcck would he know? lol
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How is the detention of Freddie Gray a rush to judgment and the detention of the police officers is not a rush to judgment? There's still no evidence that any of them broke any laws. By 240 logic, they had no right to arrest these six individuals if it turns out they all
had long criminal rap sheets, a history of drug dealing and a knife that appeared to be illegal just hit a few nasty potholes on the way to the station.
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How do you know the charges are bullshit? how do you know there is zero proof?
They haven't released the report yet. The prosecutor who filed the charges - she HAS read the report. You have not. How can you POSSIBLY know there is zero proof when you haven't been able to read the proof yet?
Never stopped you from jumping to conclusions.. Why do you care about reports and facts now ?
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Did you read what they did release? The cop ADMITTED doing the things they're charging him with LOL
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-officers-actions/index.html
Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr. HAS ALREADY ADMITTED IT.
Shit man, this cop's actions were in the report, and they're in clear violation of the law. "Zero Proof?" The Cops gave it to them lol.
read it 4 times. No brake check admission.. No smoking gun
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read it 4 times. No brake check admission.. No smoking gun
240 has a habit of making shit up ;D
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Dirty Politics As Usual?: Baltimore Prosecutor Received Campaign Money From Freddie Gray's Family Attorney
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The Fraternal Order of Police lodge in Baltimore City is asking for Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby to remove herself from the Freddie Gray investigation and appoint a special prosecutor. On Friday, Mosby announced she was filing charges against six officers in the death of Freddie Gray.
According to Capital Gazette, the president of the Fraternal Order of Police lodge argues she has a personal conflict due to connections with both Freddie Gray’s attorney Bill Murphy and her husband, City Councilman Nick Mosby.
Attorney and former judge William (Bill) H. Murphy, Jr. represents the Gray family.
Murphy was also a supporter and donated to Mosby’s campaign when she ran for office. According to state filing records, Murphy donated $5,000 dollars to Marilyn Mosby’s campaign.
Maryland Defense Attorney Kush Arora told Breitbart News, “I don’t think it does,” when questioned as to whether or not the campaign donation should require Mosby to appoint a special prosecutor.
“This prosecutor has the ability to remain impartial. A special prosecutor is not held accountable to the voters. The state’s attorney is elected and therefore is,” Arora said.
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I hardly think a pissant $5K is gonna motivate a high-level prosecutor like this chick to risk flushing a career that could & probably will end up making her governor if not higher political office.
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I hardly think a pissant $5K is gonna motivate a high-level prosecutor like this chick to risk flushing a career that could & probably will end up making her governor if not higher political office.
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The sheer act of breathing heavily can be an "iffy occurrence" for a pig. It happened to me years ago. To make a long story short: I park my car on the other side of a park with the intention of going to a restaurant about 10 blocks away. I drop off my friends at the restaurant and I go look for a spot. Park the car and I start running through the park to get to the restaurant (took me about 15 minutes to find a spot). All of a sudden I get tackled by multiple pigs from behind. Front teeth broken, bleeding profusely from the mouth, the pig's first reaction is to question me: "Why were you running through the park? Why are you breathing so heavily?". Needless to say, I was too stunned to utter anything. Pigs drive me to the restaurant still bleeding profusely (instead of the hospital) and get hostile with my friends.
I took them all to court and settled out of court (and ended up getting paid a nice amount of money by the city of Newark, new teeth and apology from the pigs and their boss included) but, to this day, I curse their existence, their kid's existence and their fucking entire pig family's existence for having such a swine of a family member.
Yeah, you probably shouldn't have been running through a damn park... prob had it coming. Those cops taught you to think twice thereafter. There's no way all of a sudden you got tackled without knowing they were there. You prob let them give a chase, just a little.
I have a legal right to wear a ski mask, but I don't wear when I walk into stores.
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weird how people on the news cleared the cops of any wrongdoing, without seeing the info, and we repeated it, without seeing the info.
now that the prosecutor has all the facts, she has decided to press charges - And suddenly we're screaming about a rush to judgment. She has more info than us. She knows the case.
I heard on Michael savage last night, him saying the cops were 100% innocent. How the mother fcck would he know? lol
The prosecutor is biased, based on her relationships with the Gray family attorney... some judge is going to kick her off the case.
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Looks like a "having a bad day" Brady Bunch photo. What's the matter, boys......and mutt? Your van ride didn't end up with you "just doing your job and getting home safely to your family" like many of them claim to just want to do? Aw....too bad.
Yeah, or the Waltons........"good night John-Boy, don't get raped in prison.."
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True but most of the time when someone says they didn't do anything wrong they started shouting about knowing their rights blah blah and all this does is piss off the cop. You can't be arrested for remaining silent and they know this that is why they will try and trick you. You will never out talk a cop. I'm a pretty big guy never so far had any problems when being pulled over. Half the time we start bsing about other stuff.
You're not black though! :) My dad was questioned several hours in the early 90s by the cops for exercising at night in our own neighborhood. The cops response was "You should get a gym membership instead of jogging in your own neighborhood". The same neighborhood that he had lived at for over 30 years. When the pigs didn't find what they was looking for they tried to strike up a friendly conversation.
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Yeah, you probably shouldn't have been running through a damn park... prob had it coming. Those cops taught you to think twice thereafter. There's no way all of a sudden you got tackled without knowing they were there. You prob let them give a chase, just a little.
I have a legal right to wear a ski mask, but I don't wear when I walk into stores.
Hello police officer. I "walked" through a park and got stopped and searched for no reason.
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You're not black though! :) My dad was questioned several hours in the early 90s by the cops for exercising at night in our own neighborhood. The cops response was "You should get a gym membership instead of jogging in your own neighborhood". The same neighborhood that he had lived at for over 30 years. When the pigs didn't find what they was looking for they tried to strike up a friendly conversation.
Several hours??!? I highly doubt that. The real question is why your dad was dumb enough to go jogging through a dangerous neighborhood at night. Sounds suspicious.
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Fellow European Getbiggers: I think this is a USA thing..... :-X
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sf1900, 240 is back...both products of white guilt.
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Several hours??!? I highly doubt that. The real question is why your dad was dumb enough to go jogging through a dangerous neighborhood at night. Sounds suspicious.
It wasn't a dangerous neighborhood. Yes they questioned him for over 2 hours.
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It wasn't a dangerous neighborhood. Yes they questioned him for over 2 hours.
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sf1900, 240 is back...both products of white guilt.
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Why is it hard for you to believe not every cop is a good cop? One day you'll find out the hard way.
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Why is it hard for you to believe not every cop is a good cop? One day you'll find out the hard way.
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Never in my life have I ever once said all cops are good guys, LittleJihad
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It wasn't a dangerous neighborhood. Yes they questioned him for over 2 hours.
His first mistake was answering. Should have told them he would happy to answer all questions with his lawyer present.
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Touch of Freddie Gray !!! (Love Jerry forever)
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Inappropriate Metaphor? Chris Matthews Asks The Wire Actor: Do Black Leaders Need to ‘Crack the Whip?’
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As has become a major trend this week, last night Chris Matthews invited an actor from HBO’s The Wire, Gbenga Akinnagbe, to discuss the various challenges facing Baltimore before and after the death of Freddie Gray.
At one point during their conversation, Matthews asked his guest, “What do you think of local politicians in a black community? Do you think they put the pressure on the majority in the country? Do they use their clout? There’s an awful lot of members of the African-American, black caucus in the D.C., in federal government, and I just wonder, do they crack the whip enough?”
Akinnagbe didn’t seem to blink at that odd metaphor, instead saying, “It’s difficult,” adding, “These are people who have dedicated their lives, you know, for the most part, for serving the community and public service, but it’s also within a system that is inherently flawed and inherently does not serve the public and the masses.”
“To get along, you’ve got to play along,” the actor continued. “And I’m not accusing anyone from the black caucus or any black official of power of that, but it’s almost a systemic inevitability, that there are compromises that — to the cost of the people.”
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How long did it take to settle?
About two full years or so.
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That's a HUGE problem is the subjective nature of suspicion. Furthermore, every person has different levels of paranoia and suspicion, which means no event is going to elicit a similar response in the same 2 people. Now there are obvious situations which would elicit fear and suspicion among any cop (brandishing a weapon). But there are more subtle situations, which are VERY subjective. If you move or look a certain way, etc. When I was in California I was at a stoplight and there was a cop car next to me. For whatever reason, I glanced at him and made eye contact, then turned away. I started to pull away and he starts to follow me. Pulls me over and asks me where I am going, etc. I was dressed in work clothes and had my work badge on me, so he just let me go. But technically he had no right to pull me over. All I did was make eye contact with him. That is not breaking the law. Ive never ever been in trouble with the law. 100% clean record, except for minor traffic violations. Another cop may have just looked at me and turned away, and forgot about the whole thing. Too much subjectivity in terms of what is deemed "suspicious."
Agree with you 100%.
I have so many stories... I remember back in the late 90s/early 2000s... on the Queensboro Plaza stop of the N train... a day after the smoking ban went into full effect... I pulled out a cigarette and started smoking one because I thought the mandate was only in underground stations (QP is open-air)... Needless to say, within seconds of taking a few puffs I was approached by two undercover cops who asked me to put out the cigarette, which I did. Then they asked me to provide them with an ID, which I did. I got so nervous that I put my hands in my pockets without noticing it. The pigs went B.A.L.L.I.S.T.I.C. I put my hands up and this guy is yelling at me an inch from my face. Situation could've gone out of control had I put my hands back in my pockets, which could have realistically happen because I was THAT nervous.
I seriously hate pigs.
Like I said, whenever I hear of a dead pig... it's a good day for me.
Fuck them.
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Agree with you 100%.
I have so many stories... I remember back in the late 90s/early 2000s... on the Queensboro Plaza stop of the N train... a day after the smoking ban went into full effect... I pulled out a cigarette and started smoking one because I thought the mandate was only in underground stations (QP is open-air)... Needless to say, within seconds of taking a few puffs I was approached by two undercover cops who asked me to put out the cigarette, which I did. Then they asked me to provide them with an ID, which I did. I got so nervous that I put my hands in my pockets without noticing it. The pigs went B.A.L.L.I.S.T.I.C. I put my hands up and this guy is yelling at me an inch from my face. Situation could've gone out of control had I put my hands back in my pockets, which could have realistically happen because I was THAT nervous.
I seriously hate pigs.
Like I said, whenever I hear of a dead pig... it's a good day for me.
Fuck them.
Your little tag line says it all. You're ideologies are the reason why this country has gone to shit. What does NY city, Ferguson and Baltimore have in common? All ran by racists dems. You obviously had a bunch of run ins with the law and of course, you did nothing wrong it was all them. Moron.
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BALTIMORE RALLY: BURN DOWN STORES TO GET THEM ‘OUT OF OUR COMMUNITIES’
TAKE YOUR DAMN BUSINESSES OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!
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During a large rally in front of Baltimore’s City Hall, a young man introduced as “Brother Rose,” in winding and sometimes incoherent speech, praised the burning of a CVS store at the corner of Pennsylvania and North Avenues. “America didn’t care until we started affecting things they profit from… What we saying, ‘Let’s get you out of our communities.’”
He also said, “Without us running (unintelligible) Mondawmin Mall [the site of mass looting on Monday], taking back from the stores that have taken our dollars for how long, and not giving back to the community in any type of way. We made a statement. The world heard us then. They heard that the youth of Baltimore are going to get justice by any means necessary.”
He also advocated shutting down restaurants and businesses that were protecting their investments. “If they protected themselves against you, protect yourselves against them. Don’t spend your money there. Don’t give them no reason to be in your neighborhood. Kick them out.”
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You're little tag line says it all. You're ideologies are the reason why this country has gone to shit. What does NY city, Ferguson and Baltimore have in common? All ran by racists dems. You obviously had a bunch of run ins with the law and of course, you did nothing wrong it was all them. Moron.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Why don't you get in the whiteness certificate business like the other tools.
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Agree with you 100%.
I have so many stories... I remember back in the late 90s/early 2000s... on the Queensboro Plaza stop of the N train... a day after the smoking ban went into full effect... I pulled out a cigarette and started smoking one because I thought the mandate was only in underground stations (QP is open-air)... Needless to say, within seconds of taking a few puffs I was approached by two undercover cops who asked me to put out the cigarette, which I did. Then they asked me to provide them with an ID, which I did. I got so nervous that I put my hands in my pockets without noticing it. The pigs went B.A.L.L.I.S.T.I.C. I put my hands up and this guy is yelling at me an inch from my face. Situation could've gone out of control had I put my hands back in my pockets, which could have realistically happen because I was THAT nervous.
I seriously hate pigs.
Like I said, whenever I hear of a dead pig... it's a good day for me.
Fuck them.
Im more concerned with the psychological aspects of fear, paranoia and suspicion, and how it varies across contexts, depending on a particular situation. As stated, there are very obvious contexts in which most cops would react with alarm. But other than those obvious contexts, it probably varies greatly. When I got pulled over one time, I told the cop I was going to reach into my glove compartment to get my registration. The cop looked at me like I had 10 heads, like why was I telling him this. From what I have always been told, its not a good idea to just reach into a glove compartment because you could be reaching for a gun. Yet, this cop seemed annoyed that I told him. So, what do you do? Do you tell them this or not? The problem is there is no general consensus among police officers. Each situation is 100% subjective, which could potentially make for very dangerous encounters with civilians. However, is it even possible to objectively define specific situations that may or may not elicit fear/suspicion/paranoia? Probably not, and that's a problem when police officers are dealing with different people from different environments. Its not only a problem for the police officers, but also a problem for civilians. Both are quick to react.
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The prosecutor is biased, based on her relationships with the Gray family attorney... some judge is going to kick her off the case.
agreed she should be recused for this case.
however, i stand by the fact the man was illegally detained and arrested.
if they never do that, he never dies from whatever caused the injury
how pissed would any of us be... if cops just decided to illegally haul us around town, cuffed on floor of van.
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People have to look at the bigger picture, there's much more going on here than a few thugs being mishandled by police officers, that race baiting pig al sharpton is being used to spear head this movement. My guess is they're making moves to slowly begin federalizing the police force. Purposely targeting groups who are most likely to riot and cause mayhems as a means to warrant this aka the blacks you see looting and causing destruction.
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I love the fact that ANY time people see a cop these days, their 1st instinct is to whip out their cell phones and make them accountable for their actions.
SOME police used to disrespect people, shove suspects, knock people into cars, and steal now and then. These days, there are cameras the size of fingernails which can put them on CNN if they do the wrong action. I think a LOT of cops are suddenly straightening up becuase every day, we see another cop or 2 on television, abusing the shit out of people. And departments aren't defending the idiot cops anymore. If someone is begging for an amulance, and you ignore them - get a lawyer, you're getting charged - and rightfully fucking so. I love that part of it.
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Bunch of fucked of people on here...Anyone with a brain knows we need people to enforce laws...Cops risk their lives everyday dealing with scumbags...Trayvon, Brown, Garner, Gray....all scumbag criminals.....Gray was a heroin dealer...Maybe steroided bodybuilders think drugs are OK....
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Bunch of fucked of people on here...Anyone with a brain knows we need people to enforce laws...Cops risk their lives everyday dealing with scumbags...Trayvon, Brown, Garner, Gray....all scumbag criminals.....Gray was a heroin dealer...Maybe steroided bodybuilders think drugs are OK....
No one is saying we don't need cops. Well, I am definitely not saying that. With any profession, we need the "best of the best," which includes competent and honest workers. That goes for cops, as well as any other profession (teachers, engineers, nurses, social workers, doctors, dentists, etc).
Its the dumbest argument when people say, "If you dont like the cops, dont call them" or "you wont be complaining if there were no cops around." Dumbest arguments ever. Of course we call the cops when we need help. But when we call the cops, we expect honest and competent cops to come. Just like when we go to the doctor, we expect an honest and competent doctor. And just because there are a few bad doctors, it doesnt mean people are going to stop going to the doctor, in the same way that just because people have bad experiences with cops, it doesnt mean we arent going to call the cops when we need them.
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I love the fact that ANY time people see a cop these days, their 1st instinct is to whip out their cell phones and make them accountable for their actions.
SOME police used to disrespect people, shove suspects, knock people into cars, and steal now and then. These days, there are cameras the size of fingernails which can put them on CNN if they do the wrong action. I think a LOT of cops are suddenly straightening up becuase every day, we see another cop or 2 on television, abusing the shit out of people. And departments aren't defending the idiot cops anymore. If someone is begging for an amulance, and you ignore them - get a lawyer, you're getting charged - and rightfully fucking so. I love that part of it.
the down side.. now adays people will whip out their camera to record a girl being beaten by a dude so they can post it on youtube.. so it isn't really to "make them accountable" it's because society is all about recording for youtube verses involvement. Go to a concert.. you'll see half the audience watching the damn thing through their phones as they record..
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No one is saying we don't need cops. Well, I am definitely not saying that. With any profession, we need the "best of the best," which includes competent and honest workers. That goes for cops, as well as any other profession (teachers, engineers, nurses, social workers, doctors, dentists, etc).
Its the dumbest argument when people say, "If you dont like the cops, dont call them" or "you wont be complaining if there were no cops around." Dumbest arguments ever. Of course we call the cops when we need help. But when we call the cops, we expect honest and competent cops to come. Just like when we go to the doctor, we expect an honest and competent doctor. And just because there are a few bad doctors, it doesnt mean people are going to stop going to the doctor, in the same way that just because people have bad experiences with cops, it doesnt mean we arent going to call the cops when we need them.
I so want to disagree with you just because.. but this is actually a rare good post ;)
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the down side.. now adays people will whip out their camera to record a girl being beaten by a dude so they can post it on youtube.. so it isn't really to "make them accountable" it's because society is all about recording for youtube verses involvement.
oh yeah i totally agree ther mtivation is "generation selfie", self-involved bullshit.
But the end result is cops less likely to break law. AND good cops get reinforced by video too. Honest cops must love body cameras.
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oh yeah i totally agree ther mtivation is "generation selfie", self-involved bullshit.
But the end result is cops less likely to break law. AND good cops get reinforced by video too. Honest cops must love body cameras.
The attitude of cameras by the average cop (ones I know) is it is a necessary evil.
The pros are obvious. It captures for the most part what happened. In a vast majority of the cases it absolves the officer of any wrong doing as should be the case. The "evil" part of it is that it has created a society where if it wasn't captured on camera the cop is automatically suspect and or lying. Which is likely not the case. We are also discovering that access to video without educating the public is troublesome as well. There are still the "why didn't he shoot him in the leg" folks, perhaps there always will be. Read a facebook comment on a KSWO news post about a police officer who shot a man with a knife who refused to drop it while in a house. People where saying it wasn't fair to use a gun on someone with just a knife. That kind of ignorance is very frustrating.
But overall we like cameras. I like cameras. I have to admit that I am surprised at some of the things my counterparts in other departments have done over the years that cause the mistrust from the public. Rampart and Rodney King bothered me greatly. So I accept that we need oversight and cameras because there are enough instances where the power and authority intrusted to the police has been violated. I'd love to see a day where all cops do the right thing all the time.That will never happn, so whatever we can do to increase the chances is fine with me.
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No one is saying we don't need cops. Well, I am definitely not saying that. With any profession, we need the "best of the best," which includes competent and honest workers. That goes for cops, as well as any other profession (teachers, engineers, nurses, social workers, doctors, dentists, etc).
Its the dumbest argument when people say, "If you dont like the cops, dont call them" or "you wont be complaining if there were no cops around." Dumbest arguments ever. Of course we call the cops when we need help. But when we call the cops, we expect honest and competent cops to come. Just like when we go to the doctor, we expect an honest and competent doctor. And just because there are a few bad doctors, it doesnt mean people are going to stop going to the doctor, in the same way that just because people have bad experiences with cops, it doesnt mean we arent going to call the cops when we need them.
You want better cops? Shit, you brought up the doctor reference, let's make it mandatory that they have a college education, and pay them more. It would make someone not necessarily likely to join the PD maybe think about it a bit harder. One of the things they do, is hire ex military ,which in the case of a State Trooper or SWAT guy is okay, but an everyday beat cop should be a college educated, strong individual, with good credit.
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You want better cops? Shit, you brought up the doctor reference, let's make it mandatory that they have a college education, and pay them more. It would make someone not necessarily likely to join the PD maybe think about it a bit harder. One of the things they do, is hire ex military ,which in the case of a State Trooper or SWAT guy is okay, but an everyday beat cop should be a college educated, strong individual, with good credit.
Good luck with that. :-\
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I don't agree with abuse of authority of course, but can people honestly say this person was a good contribution to society? You know something that has never happened in my life, getting thrown in a paddy wagon screaming. Just putting that out there. Even if he was released, I'm sure he'd be getting arrested for something else. Some people are just fuck ups. Society is better off without them.
You know what else I've never done...run from the cops. Why? Cause I'm not a moron. When you involve cops, guns, running, screaming...a bad outcome is inevitable.
On the flip side, many cops are also idiots. Couple the 2 and you have what we have today, a video beating or killing of the weak.
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Yeah, yeah, sure.
Why don't you get in the whiteness certificate business like the other tools.
Serious question. Are you black?