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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: torquemada on February 26, 2006, 05:19:24 PM
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Does anyone have any insight into what the guys in Pride are making? I'm curious because of the Quinton jackson re-signing and getting to see some UFC fighters payout's are(not as much as you might think).
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The Japanese pay their fighters like we pay football players
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believe it or not, Bob Sapp is one of the most affluent fighters there is!
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Does anyone have any insight into what the guys in Pride are making? I'm curious because of the Quinton jackson re-signing and getting to see some UFC fighters payout's are(not as much as you might think).
Agreed. But as the sport continues to grow in popularity over the next couple of years you will see some of the top tier guys start signing million dollar contracts. A fighter's union will be established over time as well. It has to happen because as the UFC gains more mainstream exposure and sponsors the powers that be will have to pay the fighters accordingly to market value. Otherwise, a fighter's strike could happen(it seems comical but it's very likely). The fighter's make the sport, not the owners. They have the leverage if such a conflict would to occur.
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Agreed. But as the sport continues to grow in popularity over the next couple of years you will see some of the top tier guys start signing million dollar contracts. A fighter's union will be established over time as well. It has to happen because as the UFC gains more mainstream exposure and sponsors the powers that be will have to pay the fighters accordingly to market value. Otherwise, a fighter's strike could happen(it seems comical but it's very likely). The fighter's make the sport, not the owners. They have the leverage if such a conflict would to occur.
Yeah buddy like they did with BJ Penn. They let him go. There will always be someone willing to fight for some amount of money. Look at the NFL the players who hold out never get any extra than what is in their contracts even when they strike they will find scabs to replace them. Learn something about busniess before you reveal your stupidity
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The catch w/ a union is that there are a lot of regional/local guys who (w/ the Dana White hype machinem in play) would step up and fill the current guys shoes.
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Agreed. But as the sport continues to grow in popularity over the next couple of years you will see some of the top tier guys start signing million dollar contracts. A fighter's union will be established over time as well. It has to happen because as the UFC gains more mainstream exposure and sponsors the powers that be will have to pay the fighters accordingly to market value. Otherwise, a fighter's strike could happen(it seems comical but it's very likely). The fighter's make the sport, not the owners. They have the leverage if such a conflict would to occur.
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The catch w/ a union is that there are a lot of regional/local guys who (w/ the Dana White hype machinem in play) would step up and fill the current guys shoes.
True. But with the current established stars in the making.....would the fans still pay to see these new guys right away? maybe, maybe not.
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Yeah buddy like they did with BJ Penn. They let him go. There will always be someone willing to fight for some amount of money. Look at the NFL the players who hold out never get any extra than what is in their contracts even when they strike they will find scabs to replace them. Learn something about busniess before you reveal your stupidity
This was a very stupid statement. The players almost always get what they want. It sometimes may not be exactly but they do get something more. It is usually paid of years but they do get something accompliched. Scabs do not replace the players they are there to fill in. There is a reason why they are called professional athletes. Not everyone can do it. You have to be among the best. That is what people pay to see. If not they could go down to thepark on Sunday and watch a bunch of guys like you playing. How many scabs are still playing . This was a really stupid analogy. Learn something about business before you reveal your stupidity.
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This was a very stupid statement. The players almost always get what they want. It sometimes may not be exactly but they do get something more. It is usually paid of years but they do get something accompliched. Scabs do not replace the players they are there to fill in. There is a reason why they are called professional athletes. Not everyone can do it. You have to be among the best. That is what people pay to see. If not they could go down to thepark on Sunday and watch a bunch of guys like you playing. How many scabs are still playing . This was a really stupid analogy. Learn something about business before you reveal your stupidity.
EXACTLY. You're responding to a 17 year old's statement so consider the source.
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This was a very stupid statement. The players almost always get what they want. It sometimes may not be exactly but they do get something more. It is usually paid of years but they do get something accompliched. Scabs do not replace the players they are there to fill in. There is a reason why they are called professional athletes. Not everyone can do it. You have to be among the best. That is what people pay to see. If not they could go down to thepark on Sunday and watch a bunch of guys like you playing. How many scabs are still playing . This was a really stupid analogy. Learn something about business before you reveal your stupidity.
OK so BJ Penn lost his title due to getting kicked out Terell Owens was suspended without pay for the rest of the season. IN 98 Emmit Smithn Held out for 3 weeks for a raise what did he get 3 unpaid weeks now look up your facts tell me one player who holds out and gets more $$$ not one player in modern sports who has a contract in place gets any more than what is speficied already. Post your facts on one, That is why they sign the contracts and owners make them adhere to them. Look what is going on in the NFL right now the Union wants more $ the owners say only for free agents and that is where we stand so learn about sports before you reveal your stupidy bitch
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EXACTLY. You're responding to a 17 year old's statement so consider the source.
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your smart fot a retard
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do me a favor: less fighting, more reading
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Since I don't follow sports unlike you cause I actually was a pro athlete in 2 sports and to tell you the truth I don't like watching them or paying attention I can't recall any individual's story. Not even when I played or competed. But the fact is I did it. But, I do know what union's do and if i recall that was the instance brought up. If EVERY instance the union will come out better. You mention 2 or 3 guys. There are hundreds who do get more by holding out or asking for more. So if you are trying to argue here you will lose. Your analogy sucked and you should take like a man that it was stupid. As a member of the Screen Actors Guild I think we went on strike 3 times. Each time I might have lost a little money but the terms of the new contract made it a whole lot better.
You put they'll find fighters who will fight for less. And maybe they will. And maybe the fights will be better. But, when you have seasoned veteran who has a name and hundreds of thousand of fans that comes into play in theoverall scheme of things. DO you think people are going to $45 for Pay Per View to watch you fight your boyfriend. Doubt it. But they will to see Chuck Lidell, or any other name like that fight. SOn, I live in the real world and I have lived in that world, so don't come on here thinking you are going to school me. Sure there are some insances that support your thoughts but they are very small part of the bigger picture.
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Since I don't follow sports unlike you cause I actually was a pro athlete in 2 sports and to tell you the truth I don't like watching them or paying attention I can't recall any individual's story. Not even when I played or competed. But the fact is I did it. But, I do know what union's do and if i recall that was the instance brought up. If EVERY instance the union will come out better. You mention 2 or 3 guys. There are hundreds who do get more by holding out or asking for more. So if you are trying to argue here you will lose. Your analogy sucked and you should take like a man that it was stupid. As a member of the Screen Actors Guild I think we went on strike 3 times. Each time I might have lost a little money but the terms of the new contract made it a whole lot better.
You put they'll find fighters who will fight for less. And maybe they will. And maybe the fights will be better. But, when you have seasoned veteran who has a name and hundreds of thousand of fans that comes into play in theoverall scheme of things. DO you think people are going to $45 for Pay Per View to watch you fight your boyfriend. Doubt it. But they will to see Chuck Lidell, or any other name like that fight. SOn, I live in the real world and I have lived in that world, so don't come on here thinking you are going to school me. Sure there are some insances that support your thoughts but they are very small part of the bigger picture.
Listen man in 98 the world series was cancelled last year hockey was cancelled. In the early 80s football was also. Next year the football season may have another lockout if there is not another CBA so those are 3 big pictures. When a player is under contract he will not get more $ under the same contract period. His only hope is for a contract extension then he can ask for more money. You may not follow sports and yes I do, but I played 3 years of semi pro football and I am a fighter for very small orginizations. I already know in fights I dont make crap so save the insults maybe a grand a fight but I do know about Collective Bargining Agreements so trust me when I say the athletes wont get any extra $ they the current contract says. Is this good enough for you or do you need more dstails because I have a bunch.
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wow...
do me a favor: less fighting, more reading
That is fair no problem
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Okay, I'm not going to argue with you on this fighting thing cause I don't know the game. But I do know how negotiations work and what agents are paid for. Once this fighting thing gets really big and it appears it could, top fighters and even the lesser fighters are going to be represented. I have no idea about what kind of contracts are out there now. But I am sure they can be better. A fighters union would give them (fighters) an edge as a whole. I can't and won't pretend I know anything about the UFC, MMA Pride or whatever fight organizations there is out there. I watch the fights on TV or grab them from here. I just so happen to know the Gracie's very well. I did some business with Vitor and Bas came to my show in 2003. That's it. I have never even been to a live fight. I don't like the crowd around me.
I guarantee you know more than I do about the fight game. All I know is how money flows and how once agents, promoters, big business's, owners, TV and other sources of income come into play the money can be made if done right. Now i am rambling cause I can't concentrate. No matter what I hope the fighters start making biggermoney like Boxing. Cause I am sure more people can sit down and name more MMA fighter than they can professional boxers (of today)
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Okay, I'm not going to argue with you on this fighting thing cause I don't know the game. But I do know how negotiations work and what agents are paid for. Once this fighting thing gets really big and it appears it could, top fighters and even the lesser fighters are going to be represented. I have no idea about what kind of contracts are out there now. But I am sure they can be better. A fighters union would give them (fighters) an edge as a whole. I can't and won't pretend I know anything about the UFC, MMA Pride or whatever fight organizations there is out there. I watch the fights on TV or grab them from here. I just so happen to know the Gracie's very well. I did some business with Vitor and Bas came to my show in 2003. That's it. I have never even been to a live fight. I don't like the crowd around me.
I guarantee you know more than I do about the fight game. All I know is how money flows and how once agents, promoters, big business's, owners, TV and other sources of income come into play the money can be made if done right. Now i am rambling cause I can't concentrate. No matter what I hope the fighters start making biggermoney like Boxing. Cause I am sure more people can sit down and name more MMA fighter than they can professional boxers (of today)
I agree I was not trying to state that they could not make more $. What I am saying is if you have a contract in play the athelete has to wait for the next contract negotiations to ask for more money. Prime example a guy I train wit Damacio won the WEC lightweight title or some title in WEC anyways he signed a 1 fight contract. The wec not expecting him to win. So he wins the title and now WEC says 800 to fight again, Damacio says no way give me more $, he has a leg to stand on. If he already signed a 3 fight deal he would have been screwed. That being said one day we will have unions and what not but once a contract is signed there is no bargining chip while a contract is in place
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Is it fair to say we'd all like to see the fighters make more $ in the US over the next few years? I honestly believe that MMA, IF the masses can learn to apprciate the ground aspect, will be the next big thing.
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I totally misunderstood you. I totally agree that once a contract is signed they can't and shouldn't ask for more money. They are screwed. That is why one year contracts all the way unless it a big number guaranteed.
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I totally misunderstood you. I totally agree that once a contract is signed they can't and shouldn't ask for more money. They are screwed. That is why one year contracts all the way unless it a big number guaranteed.
I agree and I am glad we could understand each other