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Since running my Test, Tren and Mast cycle I've been the laziest fuck ever. I need daily naps no matter how much I sleep at night. I'm just tired all the time. The only time I don't feel tired is when I drag my ass to the gym and start lifting. I get all into it but them afterwards I want to nap.
Some say it's because you don't get deep sleep while on tren, so I may sleep 7-8 hours I'm not getting the same sleep I would off of it. I also started taking 1 T3 25 micrograms a day and it doesn't help.
Does anyone else feel lethargic while on it?
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Since running my Test, Tren and Mast cycle I've been the laziest fuck ever. I need daily naps no matter how much I sleep at night. I'm just tired all the time. The only time I don't feel tired is when I drag my ass to the gym and start lifting. I get all into it but them afterwards I want to nap.
Some say it's because you don't get deep sleep while on tren, so I may sleep 7-8 hours I'm not getting the same sleep I would off of it. I also started taking 1 T3 25 micrograms a day and it doesn't help.
Does anyone else feel lethargic while on it?
bro you ever heard of trensomnia. my guess it's not the tren and maybe the Test or it's too much for your body. I guess it is possible lethargy can be a side effect of almost any steroid usually dosn;t happen with Tren. I just wanna fuck bad bitches all day.
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Heck yeah!! I get crazy dumb lethargic on tren. Picked myself up some t3 as well, try running 50mcg and see if that works. That's the dose I'm going to be running
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Heck yeah!! I get crazy dumb lethargic on tren. Picked myself up some t3 as well, try running 50mcg and see if that works. That's the dose I'm going to be running
this
completely fixed it for me
are you cutting btw?
and on low carbs?
definitely diet on high carbs / low fat on tren
tren NEEDS carbs, otherwise youll be the walking dead
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I always used tren during cuts so it's definitely adds to the suffering of diet and cardio when you sleep like shit and wake up sweating during a fucked up tren nightmare
I'd like to use it during a bulk but think I'd pour out even more sweat with more carbs
But dieting+cardio+tren+t3= full on walking dead zombie
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I always used tren during cuts so it's definitely adds to the suffering of diet and cardio when you sleep like shit and wake up sweating during a fucked up tren nightmare
I'd like to use it during a bulk but think I'd pour out even more sweat with more carbs
But dieting+cardio+tren+t3= full on walking dead zombie
That's exactly how I feel. I got to bed, I sleep well, I think but I feel like I'm stuck in an all day fog.
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it's your thyroid production. Tren has a tendency to lower ones natural production. If your getting tired it's because you are naturally producing thyroid hormone below normal and the tren has dropped it even more to cause major lethargy. Go get your thyroid checked and I'm sure you'll find out its super low. Or get t3 T4 and self medicate and see if that changes.
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i am supplementing with -50mcg of underground t3 and 150mcg of PHARMA t4 and i literally feel like im dying 2 hours after i ingest in the morning. my strength has gone to shit to but i only plan on running 4 weeks with the middle 2 weeks at double dose.
right now just working out to not regress and maintain mass. be careful with t3/t4 if you have heart palps. also realize you will be flat and your workouts will suck.
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Tale our thyroid before you go to bed
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Heck yeah!! I get crazy dumb lethargic on tren. Picked myself up some t3 as well, try running 50mcg and see if that works. That's the dose I'm going to be running
I added a second dose of 25 mcg in the early afternoon and it's completely got rid of my need to have an afternoon nap. Good call.
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I added a second dose of 25 mcg in the early afternoon and it's completely got rid of my need to have an afternoon nap. Good call.
yeah despite what most people say t3 has a half life of about 24 hours in the body
25mcg is a mere replacement dosage but can be too low for some.
25mcg twice a day is much better imo
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I know this is a tren topic but there was mention about thyroid functioning within this discussion so here's my experience with thyroid functioning.
Low Thyroid functioning symptoms include: itchy/dry skin, mild to moderate constipation (exacerbated when you do not drink enough water.. yes plain water like 2 litres per day) cognitive functioning is mildly impaired (you seem a bit foggy in your thinking/ lose track when problem solving, mild concentration difficulties) and lethargy. I have a genetic thyroid functioning disorder and only found it by these symptoms.
I went to 3 doctors, one thought I may be depressed (which I am not) the other had me do a panel of blood work and said lets just keep an eye on that (as it was only sub clinical) the final doctor who is now my regular GP had another panel of blood work and came to the same conclusion as the first BUT then had me go back for another specific blood test called a Thyroid Functioning Test (TFT) as stated on my script) and although thyroid functioning was sub clinical he placed me on 50mcg T4 daily. ALL symptoms ceased within the first 3 to 4 weeks. I went on script for 4 months and had a review of the TFT and all is normal with T4 medication. So if you think you are having thyroid issues then get your GP to do a TFT blood test. This is done separate to other blood panel work and has to be specifically requested (in my country). I hope this is useful for this discussion.
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Usually the lethargy is there when you use too much of gear. For me it kicks in when tren goes above 100mg/day. Sometimes I only run tren E at 800mg/week with DECA at 600mg and npp at 225 mg without any test..and much lethargy.. Coffee helps a lot...also amphetamines help though not recommended. ...only when to you go above the 3 2 gram mark.
Rather than using t3....you should concentrate on doing something more productive....like sex or your job or some business..socializing..e tc
Keep yourself occupied with something...stay busy. Lethargy should not be a problem
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Usually the lethargy is there when you use too much of gear. For me it kicks in when tren goes above 100mg/day. Sometimes I only run tren E at 800mg/week with DECA at 600mg and npp at 225 mg without any test..and much lethargy.. Coffee helps a lot...also amphetamines help though not recommended. ...only when to you go above the 3 2 gram mark.
Rather than using t3....you should concentrate on doing something more productive....like sex or your job or some business..socializing..e tc
Keep yourself occupied with something...stay busy. Lethargy should not be a problem
nah.
you cant be productive when youre lethargic.
also lol @ mentioning amphetamines but saying you shouldnt use t3..
also personally im perfectly fine on >3 grams with t3. 800mg tren in there too.
with just 200 test 500 tren and no t3 i was a walking zombie and a sleepy mess.
i know taking more drugs to counter side effects of drugs is not the smartest thing to do, however with tren and t3 it is ;D if something depletes your thyroid hormones then supplement them synthetically. probably healthier than anything else too.
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Since running my Test, Tren and Mast cycle I've been the laziest fuck ever. I need daily naps no matter how much I sleep at night. I'm just tired all the time. The only time I don't feel tired is when I drag my ass to the gym and start lifting. I get all into it but them afterwards I want to nap.
Some say it's because you don't get deep sleep while on tren, so I may sleep 7-8 hours I'm not getting the same sleep I would off of it. I also started taking 1 T3 25 micrograms a day and it doesn't help.
Does anyone else feel lethargic while on it?
You were given great advice i'd just like to add that when bulking with tren and if you're not on GH i would keep the T3 to a level where you bare minumum to make you feel more awake to avoid muscle loss and avoid random flattening out...Ive seen people try to kill 2 birds with one stone by running t3 much too high and think everything else is problem so they lower anabolics and turn into a smaller version of themselves..Sad to watch really...
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Tren makes me lethargic and sleepy, but i don't sleep well on it. Funny how that works.
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Usually the lethargy is there when you use too much of gear. For me it kicks in when tren goes above 100mg/day. Sometimes I only run tren E at 800mg/week with DECA at 600mg and npp at 225 mg without any test..and much lethargy.. Coffee helps a lot...also amphetamines help though not recommended. ...only when to you go above the 3 2 gram mark.
Rather than using t3....you should concentrate on doing something more productive....like sex or your job or some business..socializing..e tc
Keep yourself occupied with something...stay busy. Lethargy should not be a problem
very curious to know more about this. The aftermath is 10x's worse (2 days later kicks in and lasts 2-5ish days) any present feeling of shittyness will be much worse after the speed wears off. Your appetite will totally go down the drain, cns messed up to train properly after.
IF... One had the will power, coke would be "better" as it wears off much faster and you can sleep the same night you take it if you don't go overboard. I'd imagine contest or diet use would be much, much less than what I'd use to get in the state I used to attain, essh...
But coke is more addictive than speed so it can be much more problematic. I think if you can't get by periodic levels of fatigue with stuff like ephedrine, nootropics, you just gotta deal with it. Or simply slow down and take an extra nap.
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That crap feeling is from serotonin syndrome. If you use addy , then also take Prozac or the generic chemical, to keep the serotonin receptors firing. That's from experience and research of the syndrome
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Get some Provigil(Modafinil). Never be tired again, far better drug than any amphetamine. No hangover, no effect on appetite. Unbelievable for concentration and focus.
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That stuff is some badass stuff , but it made me irritable and headache
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Get some Provigil(Modafinil). Never be tired again, far better drug than any amphetamine. No hangover, no effect on appetite. Unbelievable for concentration and focus.
If you get headaches on modafinil, try armodafinil or adrafinil instead. I know one is an isomer and the other a precursor but the reaction is different. I can't tolerate modafinil but feel fine on adrafinil.
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If you get headaches on modafinil, try armodafinil or adrafinil instead. I know one is an isomer and the other a precursor but the reaction is different. I can't tolerate modafinil but feel fine on adrafinil.
Was gonna make a thread on adrafanil. That stuff when combined with tyrosine, dmae, 12.5mg ephedrine and caffeine is nuts. When it kicks in, I feel kinda freaked out/scared it's too much, but levels off. I don't even use 150mg, the caps all come in 300mg.
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5-HTP is a far superior way to replenish serotonin
You use up serotonin when you train also, btw
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Was gonna make a thread on adrafanil. That stuff when combined with tyrosine, dmae, 12.5mg ephedrine and caffeine is nuts. When it kicks in, I feel kinda freaked out/scared it's too much, but levels off. I don't even use 150mg, the caps all come in 300mg.
make a thread on those , they are fairly new and are looked at as great alternativealternatives to the same ole Adderall and other uppers
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make a thread on those , they are fairly new and are looked at as great alternativealternatives to the same ole Adderall and other uppers
Yes, I'd chip in on that thread. Long term user here. I have a few sources for armodafinil for my canadian friends :-)
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Get some Provigil(Modafinil). Never be tired again, far better drug than any amphetamine. No hangover, no effect on appetite. Unbelievable for concentration and focus.
Stuff works great. I've been using it sporadically for years.
It will keep you awake for long shifts, i use it to work long hours, like 16 hour days.
It does give me bad sides if i take it everyday for more than a few weeks. It seems to wear me out after a while. I never take it more than a few days in a row. If i take it a lot, i get terrible headaches and can't sleep. Generally gives me mild anxiety and makes me sweat, but it's a great compound. I like it more than Adderall.
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Stuff works great. I've been using it sporadically for years.
It will keep you awake for long shifts, i use it to work long hours, like 16 hour days.
It does give me bad sides if i take it everyday for more than a few weeks. It seems to wear me out after a while. I never take it more than a few days in a row. If i take it a lot, i get terrible headaches and can't sleep. Generally gives me mild anxiety and makes me sweat, but it's a great compound. I like it more than Adderall.
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Good to know I'm no the only one using it. I've taken it for a couple of years but very sporadically. I do get side effects too after 4-5 days of continuous use so I "cycle" it or only use it when I really need it.
I've tried Adrafinil, Modafinil and Armodafinil. Frankly, Adrafinil is the one I like best. It has a nice mood boost and a gentle off set and at 300-600 mg a day, it last 16 hours, still allowing me to sleep well on it.
I get Adrafinil in caps from powdercity. It is the precursor to modafinil and the liver has to get rid of the OH group using enzyme (so it will elevate enzymes but cleaving an hydroxil is not associated with liver toxicity).,
Modafinil gave me mad headaches that just wouldn't go away. Now I can't get it in here anyways not that I would want to.
Armodafinil is just too much for me. I feel tense on it. I have no idea why. I keep it for when I travel. In Canada, we can get pure armodafinil for research purposes. I get mine from rechem.ca 8)
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Good to know I'm no the only one using it. I've taken it for a couple of years but very sporadically. I do get side effects too after 4-5 days of continuous use so I "cycle" it or only use it when I really need it.
I've tried Adrafinil, Modafinil and Armodafinil. Frankly, Adrafinil is the one I like best. It has a nice mood boost and a gentle off set and at 300-600 mg a day, it last 16 hours, still allowing me to sleep well on it.
I get Adrafinil in caps from powdercity. It is the precursor to modafinil and the liver has to get rid of the OH group using enzyme (so it will elevate enzymes but cleaving an hydroxil is not associated with liver toxicity).,
Modafinil gave me mad headaches that just wouldn't go away. Now I can't get it in here anyways not that I would want to.
Armodafinil is just too much for me. I feel tense on it. I have no idea why. I keep it for when I travel. In Canada, we can get pure armodafinil for research purposes. I get mine from rechem.ca 8)
Thanks for the info.
I'm interested in trying Adrafinil.
I've used Provigil for almost 6 years off and on. I don't use it much due to the anxiety issues it causes, but it's a great product. I find it helps my physical stamina as well.
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I have a script from my doc for Provigil for sleep apnea, and excessive daytime sleepiness/narcolepsy associated with it. I use it almost daily, but will take days off here and there. If I'm not busy, then it does cause some anxiety and will make the mind wander a bit and think of nonsensical crap. I find it's very important to stay hydrated or it will cause a nice headache sometimes. This drug is a life saver though, full alertness for 16 hours with no trouble sleeping after. Makes my urine smell just like the pill, and yes it does cause some sweating, but I love the stuff.
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Good to know I'm no the only one using it. I've taken it for a couple of years but very sporadically. I do get side effects too after 4-5 days of continuous use so I "cycle" it or only use it when I really need it.
I've tried Adrafinil, Modafinil and Armodafinil. Frankly, Adrafinil is the one I like best. It has a nice mood boost and a gentle off set and at 300-600 mg a day, it last 16 hours, still allowing me to sleep well on it.
I get Adrafinil in caps from powdercity. It is the precursor to modafinil and the liver has to get rid of the OH group using enzyme (so it will elevate enzymes but cleaving an hydroxil is not associated with liver toxicity).,
Modafinil gave me mad headaches that just wouldn't go away. Now I can't get it in here anyways not that I would want to.
Armodafinil is just too much for me. I feel tense on it. I have no idea why. I keep it for when I travel. In Canada, we can get pure armodafinil for research purposes. I get mine from rechem.ca 8)
Post appreciated!!!
Just did a quick google on armodafanil and sweet I can get this in Canada, thanks for the link!!!
I read 150-250mg, what's your sweet spot?
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Post appreciated!!!
Just did a quick google on armodafanil and sweet I can get this in Canada, thanks for the link!!!
I read 150-250mg, what's your sweet spot?
Aucun problème bro!
I find 100 mg of armodafinil to be the "sweet spot" but I feel a bit overwhelmed when I take it. It tends to make me super productive but less chatty, tunnel vision etc. I prefer adrafinil for the mood boost but when I need to get shit done, you can't beat armodafinil. No headaches, no side effects to speak of if I use it 3-4 days in a row max.
Quite frankly, I'm not sure i'd be where I am professionally if it wasn't for the finils... Not being tired after a long day at work, or being 100% when you do your sales pitch after long hours on a flight is a huge advantage...
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My only beef with it is that I get irritated quickly on it, but if I take a small dose before gym I kill the weights
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My only beef with it is that I get irritated quickly on it, but if I take a small dose before gym I kill the weights
You take caffeine with it?
They don't mix well at all imo...
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You take caffeine with it?
They don't mix well at all imo...
Almost everyone takes caffeine though and caffeine has a long half life and is often dosed again. Basically, most people are on caffeine, no? Maybe reduce the caffeine?
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Almost everyone takes caffeine though and caffeine has a long half life and is often dosed again. Basically, most people are on caffeine, no? Maybe reduce the caffeine?
Yeah pretty much! Just cut down on it when you're on the afinils. Besides you won't need it. I feel tense if I drink coffee while on the ´finils but perfectly wakened and alert even on no coffee at all....
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Yeah pretty much! Just cut down on it when you're on the afinils. Besides you won't need it. I feel tense if I drink coffee while on the ´finils but perfectly wakened and alert even on no coffee at all....
anytime I try a new stim, I cut back on everything else, not usually caffeine though. To be safe, I'll take 100mg. But no coffee=head aches in my case. Only thing that has me reduce caffeine is clen. Maybe 200mg caffeine was too much with my adrafinil as 120mg of it had me almost too wired.
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You take caffeine with it?
They don't mix well at all imo...
no no no , when I eat those I stay away from all other stimulate..... plus when using these it let's you clear out the caffeine , it's like cycling ECA and clen.
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Do you guys recommend using tren ED or EOD at 100mg? I have about 30mL currently and 40mL of test e. I have been using tren at 100eod and test e 500/week but thinking of bumping to 100tren Ed and 750-1g test e a week. What are your thoughts on this?
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Do you guys recommend using tren ED or EOD at 100mg? I have about 30mL currently and 40mL of test e. I have been using tren at 100eod and test e 500/week but thinking of bumping to 100tren Ed and 750-1g test e a week. What are your thoughts on this?
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LOL! Rough day for Kev here... Your plan sounds ok, I'd make sure to cruise after but then again, we all say that and mostly switch compounds.
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So been off tren for a month now. Sleeping like a baby. No need for midday naps. Happier, more joyful, not tense. Not sure if Tren is worth the effects it has on my life just to look harder. Unless you're competing not sure the point. Yeah, I have abs and look great but I'm a miserable fuck doesn't justify it anymore. I'd rather look good and be happy, no high BPH, no anger and sleeping better.
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Tren makes it more difficult for me to sleep at night but I get extremely tired and nap in the middle of the day
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Tren gives me energy I'm in it now 100mgs eod and I feel awesome all the time the occasional lose my temper and throw some shit or sweating a lot. Wish I had more ide up the dosage ide love to run 100mgs a day
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I run ALOT of Tren! I shoot 250mg of tren some days and some days just 100mg, I use Tri-Tren 200mg then 50mg Tren suspension pre-workout. next day usually just stick to 100mg of acetate and 50mg tren suspension pre-workout. I do this 7 days a week. No steroid gives me roid rage except Tren I get super agressive off Tren. Dbol can get me a little amped up. the Tren /dbol combo def gets me real worked up.
I just want to finish this prep up I don;t think I can take the Tren rage much longer. I lost 2 girlfriends while on this Tren cycle and am about to lose 3 possibly not like I care much but that's how bad it gets.
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Lol damn I'm hitting 100mgs MWF with sust and dbol I really like it. dbol is better with tren
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So been off tren for a month now. Sleeping like a baby. No need for midday naps. Happier, more joyful, not tense. Not sure if Tren is worth the effects it has on my life just to look harder. Unless you're competing not sure the point. Yeah, I have abs and look great but I'm a miserable fuck doesn't justify it anymore. I'd rather look good and be happy, no high BPH, no anger and sleeping better.
I never got the point about tren either... seems harsh, no human studies etc...
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I never got the point about tren either... seems harsh, no human studies etc...
Tren gives a certain look; the illusion of size. you can be a skinny guy but with tren you will not look skinny, people will say you look lean and ripped. I'm using tren now and people are saying I look "damn big" when in reality I am really a small ass skinny bastard. I have very small bone structure (like female bone size, serious) so I have to work on creating an illusion. I'm actually going to go off the tren and start some good old test/dbol because I realised I need to spend about 2 years or so adding some serious mass or I'll be a twink forever. And I have already added 50 lbs since starting out (so you can imagine how small my body actually is lol).
I think my arm in terms of actual circumference is definitely one of the smaller ones in the gym. Many women have been commenting that I look big, that my arms look good, etc., when in reality my arm is the same size as their's or even slightly smaller. I am pretty sure the girl at the gym desk has bigger arms than me, going by circumference alone lol. One girl commented that I have muscles like a "fighter"? Wtf does that even mean? I dunno what it is. I think it's subtle changes to the waist and shoulder ratio and the muscle bellies.