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Meanwhile, in Switzerland:
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Race Bait FAIL!!!!!
http://bearingarms.com/video-purports-show-racism-police-open-carry-stops-fails/
It’s no secret that I generally have a low opinion of “look at me” long gun open carry. It is typically done with the expressed intention of “education,” but in practice, typically tends to be counterproductive grandstanding which has led (time and again) to restrictions and laws being passed banning open carry from places it was once legal.
That out of the way, the two disparate ways officers treated similarly-equipped open carriers in the video below is stunning to behold.
The white open carrier shown first is merely talked to by the responding officer who does not seem overly concerned as the officer stops to check on them and see what is going on.
The black open carrier, carrying a slung AR-15 by his side and with his hands occupied by what appears to be a smart phone, is immediately ordered to the ground at gunpoint, and the deputy holds him in his sights until backup arrives and seaches, but does not cuff the open carrier. It’s worth noting, perhaps, that the responding officers do not feel compelled to point their weapon at the the open carrier at any time.
“Willy Upchuck” is the pseudonym of person who posted the video, and taglines his channel “Cops vs. People,” giving us an idea of his views on law enforcement.
“Willy” clearly wants to assert that we’re witnessing racism… but the video doesn’t support that assertion at all.
While the rifles were both AR-15s slung in a similar manner (both down at the hip, where it could be brought into action), “Willy” wants us to overlooking the indisputable fact that we’re dealing with different responding officers, in different locations, with different law enforcement agencies, which may have different protocols and familiarity in handling “man with a gun” calls, at different times, in different circumstances.
The white open carrier, “MarkedGaurdian,” has been trolling his local law enforcement agencies in Oregon for years. His video clip is pulled from an August 2012 stop by an Albany, Oregon officer, who was likely well aware of what long gun open carry advocates had been doing in the area, and who may have even recognized “MarkedGaurdian” on sight.
The black open carrier—whom I totally agree was treated poorly by the responding officer—was in a different (unknown) time and place, dealing with a completely different police force, who may not deal with long gun open carry much, if at all. It could be that this responding agency would treat white open carriers just as poorly. In this second incident we could be dealing with one very bad deputy, who violated his own department’s protocols (and frankly, as he pointed a firearm at a man who wasn’t clearly wasn’t being a threat, he probably did). We don’t know if the deputy was disciplined or even terminated.
“Willy Upchuck” doesn’t apparently want us to know enough about either incident to determine for ourselves what we’re really witnessing, and that says a bit more about him than I think he wants us to know.
Are we witnessing a good cop dealing with the white open carrier, and what appears to be a poorly-trained and over-excited deputy dealing the black open carrier? I think so.
But we simply don’t have like situations here, with different times, places, agencies, etc.
We don’t have and clear evidence of racism, as much as he’d like to assert that this is what we’re seeing.
Update: the second open carrier has been identified as Gabriel Nobles. Here’s his entire video in two parts, Part I and Part II.
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The world is not fair to anyone. People are more scared of black skin than white skin.
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Meanwhile, in Switzerland:
(http://i.imgur.com/PyfC8.jpg)
If someone wanted to hurt this guy, he would be dead. I don't see the point of having a rifle strapped to your back like that.
Is someone going to wait as he flips the stock into position as well?
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Meanwhile in TX:
(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-DC705_OCT4_G_20140605162401.jpg)
(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-DC701_OCT2_E_20140605162148.jpg)
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Meanwhile in TX:
(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-DC705_OCT4_G_20140605162401.jpg)
(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-DC701_OCT2_E_20140605162148.jpg)
(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-DC703_OCT3_E_20140605162251.jpg)
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Cuckoo.
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Whites fear armed Hebrews. This is no surprise. Piggy, gonna pig. Oink. Oink.
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Cuckoo.
Texas is definitely one of the nuttiest states in the U.S.
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Meanwhile, in Switzerland:
(http://i.imgur.com/PyfC8.jpg)
If I felt the need to carry this shit on my back like that....it means I need to move away....as far as possible. I'm realistic about dangers and I would like to own a gun....keep it in my house, May be in the car if I am going somewhere...but if I felt I need this on me, then the solution is not the gun but the environment either needs to change or I need to remove myself.
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Texas is definitely one of the nuttiest states in the U.S.
I expect if there ever is a secession, TX would probably be the first to go. They have plenty of land, money, and guns. Plus, they're crazy. :D
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If someone wanted to hurt this guy, he would be dead. I don't see the point of having a rifle strapped to your back like that.
Is someone going to wait as he flips the stock into position as well?
Swiss have compulsory military service and a strong shooting sports heritage, so you're probably seeing him in between military training or recreation.
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if you run this experiment 100 times.... does this repeat itself at least 51 times?
If you're a betting man...
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if you run this experiment 100 times.... does this repeat itself at least 51 times?
If you're a betting man...
Depends on the state, and individual cop. Most cops do not like open carry, especially of long guns anywhere period. The reason why those open carry white folks in Texas don't get hassled is that they make their plans known way in advance, somewhat like the Black Panthers do when they hold their rallies, etc....
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I expect if there ever is a secession, TX would probably be the first to go. They have plenty of land, money, and guns. Plus, they're crazy. :D
agreed
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if you run this experiment 100 times.... does this repeat itself at least 51 times?
If you're a betting man...
Actually I would say 85% of the time
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Meanwhile, in Switzerland:
(http://i.imgur.com/PyfC8.jpg)
I don't the story behind that but is that necessary? Fuck man...
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I don't the story behind that but is that necessary? Fuck man...
It's all part of their proud military tradition of fighting no one.
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It's all part of their proud military tradition of fighting no one.
In that case, a simple sling shot could do the trick. Sling shots don't "accidently go off" either. Would be a much better option. Then, if you're really in shit, you call cops who have guns.
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If I felt the need to carry this shit on my back like that....it means I need to move away....as far as possible. I'm realistic about dangers and I would like to own a gun....keep it in my house, May be in the car if I am going somewhere...but if I felt I need this on me, then the solution is not the gun but the environment either needs to change or I need to remove myself.
x2. For home protection, or even in your car, its fine. But to carry your gun to walmart is just idiotic. Crazy gun nutters. Of course anything can go wrong. But this just wreaks of PARANOIA!!
I knew a cop who used to carry his gun around everywhere lol. I was invited to a birthday for a 6 year old in an extremely upscale neighborhood where there is pretty much zero crime. He showed up to the party with his sunglasses on and gun strapped to his waist lol. His shirt was purposely pulled up so you could see his gun lol It was kind of funny to see this is. I asked him if he was afraid that the magician was going to lose control. :D :D
He was wearing these type of sunglasses.
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x2. For home protection, or even in your car, its fine. But to carry your gun to walmart is just idiotic. Crazy gun nutters. Of course anything can go wrong. But this just wreaks of PARANOIA!!
If one is talking about rifles, I can see it, but it's not a big deal. I can definitely see carrying a pistol in a lot of daily life, I've known tons of folks that have gotten robbed in parking lots, doing late banking, etc....
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Open carry is just too moronic and too "look at me". I think concealed carry is better, you got the element of surprise. Don't get me started on people carrying rifles openly. It's one of those things just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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Cuckoo.
Sf, have you ever fired a gun?
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Sf, have you ever fired a gun?
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If one is talking about rifles, I can see it, but it's not a big deal. I can definitely see carrying a pistol in a lot of daily life, I've known tons of folks that have gotten robbed in parking lots, doing late banking, etc....
And I know people who have never been robbed. I mean, its all a crapshoot. Anything can go wrong at any time. Or something can never go wrong. Personally, I dont feel the need to live in a state of paranoia to the point where I feel like I need to be strapped 24/7.
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And I know people who have never been robbed. I mean, its all a crapshoot. Anything can go wrong at any time. Or something can never go wrong. Personally, I dont feel the need to live in a state of paranoia to the point where I feel like I need to be strapped 24/7.
That's fine. I don't find it paranoid, I simply view it like an other passive emergency or safety measure. Maybe you'll need it, maybe you won't. To each his own.
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That's fine. I don't find it paranoid, I simply view it like an other passive emergency measure. Maybe you'll need it, maybe you won't.
To each their own. I don't view it as a "passive" emergency measure. To me, a passive emergency measure is carrying pepper spray, being aware of your surroundings, perhaps not going out late at night alone, especially if you're a female, having your keys in your hand before you approach your car. Carrying a gun is more than just a "passive" measure. But, obviously, we think differently about the subject.
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I got a couple guns and each time i have gotten one i head to the range and gun store to pick up ammo or some shit, just got all excited and wanted to pick up stuff and shoot you know...everytime these places are full of assholes in their "tactical" gear, lookin pissed off, cop like sunglasses, NRA or dont tread on me shirts all over and just over all uncomfortable places to be if your not "in the club". Gun culture is strange as fuck, I guess like any subculture is, but any time i visit places like that, it just makes me annoyed I even have a gun because finding just a nice cool calm place to use it at, is basically impossible...unless u can tolerate all the shit i mentioned and conversations about "how their guns are gonna get taken away" every 2 seconds in the background.
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Whites fear armed Hebrews. This is no surprise.
Not much, no.
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A firearm, have you ever fired one? Not a trick question.
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This experiment demonstrates what should be understood to be true. There has been racial strife in this country for hundreds of years. In the past 50 years we've seen a substantial rise in black crime AND a corresponding rise in police brutality to black Americans. It's a cycle. Blacks feel persecuted by cops so they exhibit behavior that makes them more worthy of the attention of law enforcement...which increases the persecution blacks feel....and on and on and on and on.
To me its not racist to be aware of your surroundings and to have an appropriate level of caution. I will be more alert if a group of young black men walk towards my family on the street then I will if its a group of white grandmothers. Is that racist or is that risk management? Risk Mgt tells me I'm substantially less likely to get engaged in violent behavior from the grandmothers.
To be clear, I would also raise my level of caution and awareness if a group of young white men or Hispanic men approached me because they too represent a higher risk. If a group of sexy women approached me I would appropriately raise my testosterone levels in response...assuming my wife wasn't looking.
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The world is not fair to anyone. People are more scared of black skin than white skin.
And rightly so... when something like 80% of violent crime is committed by 15% of the population... why wouldn't you be more fearful of minorities?
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And rightly so... when something like 80% of violent crime is committed by 15% of the population... why wouldn't you be more fearful of minorities?
This is nothing new. You've always had an excuse to hate, oppress and murder us. Even when the statistics didn't suit you.
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If I felt the need to carry this shit on my back like that....it means I need to move away....as far as possible. I'm realistic about dangers and I would like to own a gun....keep it in my house, May be in the car if I am going somewhere...but if I felt I need this on me, then the solution is not the gun but the environment either needs to change or I need to remove myself.
Since there is no magazine in the rifle, one must conclude that he is either on his way to, or coming back from, his mandated yearly citizen qualification with his service rifle. It is on his back like a backpack, not as a defensive weapon.
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Texas is definitely one of the nuttiest states in the U.S.
This is my home state and I have never seen anyone open carry. It's stricky just a political statement. Now conceled everyone does
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If I felt the need to carry this shit on my back like that....it means I need to move away....as far as possible. I'm realistic about dangers and I would like to own a gun....keep it in my house, May be in the car if I am going somewhere...but if I felt I need this on me, then the solution is not the gun but the environment either needs to change or I need to remove myself.
Yeah - but I doubt this is a self defense thing anyway, surely? I mean - it looks like he's either in a classroom or an Apple store.
Thing is - I can't think of a single reason to actually carry a gun like that. I mean if you'd been to the range, you'd have it in a case surely.
And a gun like that for self-defense, that's cool if you don't mind also plugging a few random passers-by in the process.
I don't get it.
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Open carry is just too moronic and too "look at me". I think concealed carry is better, you got the element of surprise. Don't get me started on people carrying rifles openly. It's one of those things just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I can get open carry of a handgun. It'll put people off BEFORE they think of doing something to you.
But not an AR-15.
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This is nothing new. You've always had an excuse to hate, oppress and murder us. Even when the statistics didn't suit you.
I am oppressing you? Hmmm last I checked I paid $40k in taxes last year that some of those violent offenders used to buy KFC. That doesn't sound like oppression to me. Sounds like sour grapes. It's 2015 stop making stupid fucking dumbass lamo excuses for your brethren and grow up. The deck is stacked in your favor and instead of being smart enough to take advantage of it, you resort to violence... That alone shows that several of stereotypes are true. Why don't you invest some hate in changing the stereotypes.
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I am oppressing you? Hmmm last I checked I paid $40k in taxes last year that some of those violent offenders used to buy KFC. That doesn't sound like oppression to me. Sounds like sour grapes. It's 2015 stop making stupid fucking dumbass lamo excuses for your brethren and grow up. The deck is stacked in your favor and instead of being smart enough to take advantage of it, you resort to violence... That alone shows that several of stereotypes are true. Why don't you invest some hate in changing the stereotypes.
I'm sure alot of that money went to white guys buying KFC as well....and why would you consider thugs and criminals to be his "brethren"???...I guess those white criminal bikers are your "brethren" as well???.....you're too smart to be taking mental shortcuts
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This experiment demonstrates what should be understood to be true. There has been racial strife in this country for hundreds of years. In the past 50 years we've seen a substantial rise in black crime AND a corresponding rise in police brutality to black Americans. It's a cycle. Blacks feel persecuted by cops so they exhibit behavior that makes them more worthy of the attention of law enforcement...which increases the persecution blacks feel....and on and on and on and on.
To me its not racist to be aware of your surroundings and to have an appropriate level of caution. I will be more alert if a group of young black men walk towards my family on the street then I will if its a group of white grandmothers. Is that racist or is that risk management? Risk Mgt tells me I'm substantially less likely to get engaged in violent behavior from the grandmothers.
To be clear, I would also raise my level of caution and awareness if a group of young white men or Hispanic men approached me because they too represent a higher risk. If a group of sexy women approached me I would appropriately raise my testosterone levels in response...assuming my wife wasn't looking.
So it's your testimony here today that police brutality against blacks has INCREASED since the late 60's? You do realize that's not accurate right?
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No, I'm not saying which begat which. What I'm saying is that its a cycle of continued escalation on both parts
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This is nothing new. You've always had an excuse to hate, oppress and murder us. Even when the statistics didn't suit you.
so sad :'(
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I'm sure alot of that money went to white guys buying KFC as well....and why would you consider thugs and criminals to be his "brethren"???...I guess those white criminal bikers are your "brethren" as well???.....you're too smart to be taking mental shortcuts
Follow along... HE classified himself with the violent blacks... By using the term US. And yes those crazy ass crackers are my brethren. The difference between me and you is I am embarrassed to call them that... They are a fucking disgrace to white people. I was a violent punk jackass... I chose to change my life because I didn't want to go through life and be viewed like those dirt bags. You and Wiggs etc. would blame the cops for the violence or better yet applaud them for street cred. That's where we differ... I can call a spade a spade. Pun intended.
Like I said until you stop blaming everyone else or even acknowledging that you have a huge RACIAL (like your entire race world wide) problem of violence, poor leadership, animal like behavior etc. there will never be a fix for the problem. You guys who want to blame and make excuses answer this:
Two cities... One owned, run, policed, businesses, schools, everything, tenants etc. by blacks and blacks only, or one by whites and whites only. But the white one makes an exception and gives YOU a choice where you want to live. Where are you gonna pick? Now for a big show you'll come here and say some shit like the white cops would just kill me or some dumb shit, but we all know you would run so fucking fast to the all white side it wouldn't even be a choice. Lets not even consider if they gave a white guy a chance to go the all black city... That would be zero.
Until you can get your head around the fact that you would rather be among the whites as well, OR try to change the black community into one people would choose... You are doomed to just remain a bitter clueless fool who will go through life never doing anything but be angry until you die. Sorry man but you need to wake up and wake your people up... It's fucking 2015.
Look at the environment today... You have a black president... More chances then ever to get ahead. What do you do? Not grab the moment and try to fix anything... You turn it into get whitey time! It's on now whiteys! We will show you how violent and how much we can get away with now! Fucking brilliant.
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Follow along... HE classified himself with the violent blacks... By using the term US. And yes those crazy ass crackers are my brethren. The difference between me and you is I am embarrassed to call them that... They are a fucking disgrace to white people. I was a violent punk jackass... I chose to change my life because I didn't want to go through life and be viewed like those dirt bags. You and Wiggs etc. would blame the cops for the violence or better yet applaud them for street cred. That's where we differ... I can call a spade a spade. Pun intended.
Like I said until you stop blaming everyone else or even acknowledging that you have a huge RACIAL (like your entire race world wide) problem of violence, poor leadership, animal like behavior etc. there will never be a fix for the problem. You guys who want to blame and make excuses answer this:
Two cities... One owned, run, policed, businesses, schools, everything, tenants etc. by blacks and blacks only, or one by whites and whites only. But the white one makes an exception and gives YOU a choice where you want to live. Where are you gonna pick? Now for a big show you'll come here and say some shit like the white cops would just kill me or some dumb shit, but we all know you would run so fucking fast to the all white side it wouldn't even be a choice. Lets not even consider if they gave a white guy a chance to go the all black city... That would be zero.
Until you can get your head around the fact that you would rather be among the whites as well, OR try to change the black community into one people would choose... You are doomed to just remain a bitter clueless fool who will go through life never doing anything but be angry until you die. Sorry man but you need to wake up and wake your people up... It's fucking 2015.
Look at the environment today... You have a black president... More chances then ever to get ahead. What do you do? Not grab the moment and try to fix anything... You turn it into get whitey time! It's on now whiteys! We will show you how violent and how much we can get away with now! Fucking brilliant.
Fucken A. Folks getting defensive over scum, makes no sense.