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..something's never change.
http://www.youngcons.com/chicago-law-prof-on-obama-professors-hated-him-because-he-was-lazy-unqualified-never-attended-any-of-the-faculty-meetings/
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I was going to stop reading as soon as I realized this was: "a friend of a friend told me..." kind of deal, but I figured what the hell, let's see... so I clicked the link, and then clicked another link and another, to get to the apparent source. Even there, it's still a "friend of a friend" kind of thing. That blog post starts with: "Larwyn received this "over the transom". Perhaps some of our reporters-in-training can give Biff Spackle a run for his money and chase down these leads. It's been a while since ol' Biff had a scoop, ya' know."
Yeah, I'd say this shit is highly credible...
But then again, you never cared for credibility did you? You see it, you post it. Right? ::)
I don't get what the fuck is wrong with you and your ilk. Instead of challenging Obama on the merits, you make shit up and challenge him on non-issues which only help to weaken your position.
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I was going to stop reading as soon as I realized this was: "a friend of a friend told me..." kind of deal, but I figured what the hell, let's see... so I clicked the link, and then clicked another link and another, to get to the apparent source. Even there, it's still a "friend of a friend" kind of thing. That blog post starts with: "Larwyn received this "over the transom". Perhaps some of our reporters-in-training can give Biff Spackle a run for his money and chase down these leads. It's been a while since ol' Biff had a scoop, ya' know."
Yeah, I'd say this shit is highly credible...
But then again, you never cared for credibility did you? You see it, you post it. Right? ::)
I don't get what the fuck is wrong with you and your ilk. Instead of challenging Obama on the merits, you make shit up and challenge him on non-issues which only help to weaken your position.
Because delusions take a lot of stupidity to stay fueled.
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I truly think this revelation will be what it takes to stop Obama from winning the election in 2016.
Timely and useful, i like it!
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I was going to stop reading as soon as I realized this was: "a friend of a friend told me..." kind of deal, but I figured what the hell, let's see... so I clicked the link, and then clicked another link and another, to get to the apparent source. Even there, it's still a "friend of a friend" kind of thing. That blog post starts with: "Larwyn received this "over the transom". Perhaps some of our reporters-in-training can give Biff Spackle a run for his money and chase down these leads. It's been a while since ol' Biff had a scoop, ya' know."
Yeah, I'd say this shit is highly credible...
But then again, you never cared for credibility did you? You see it, you post it. Right? ::)
I don't get what the fuck is wrong with you and your ilk. Instead of challenging Obama on the merits, you make shit up and challenge him on non-issues which only help to weaken your position.
good post...this has been my point about the Obama haters all along...starting from the whole Birth Certificate issue....some people hate Obama so much that they can't debate his performance on the merits...they always bring incredibly stupid non-sourced material because they are so desperate to prove a point, which just further erodes their arguments........
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Because delusions take a lot of stupidity to stay fueled.
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good post...this has been my point about the Obama haters all along...starting from the whole Birth Certificate issue....some people hate Obama so much that they can't debate his performance on the merits...they always bring incredibly stupid non-sourced material because they are so desperate to prove a point, which just further erodes their arguments........
Don't be too happy: an objective but generous evaluation of Obama "on the merits" comes back with a D. Which is what makes the need to come up with nonsense to challenge Obama impossible to understand.
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I believe it. All you can rely on is "hearsay," but as a wise woman told me, "hearsay is reputation." I have a good friend who went to the Univ. of Chicago and was classmates with someone who supervised Obama for a summer when Obama was a student. Heard the same kind of reports about his work ethic. Yes it's layered information and could be inaccurate, but when you keep hearing the same things from multiple different sources from different parts of his life, there is probably some truth to it.
Then when you look at his work ethic as president (skipping daily intelligence briefings, not working with Congress, etc.) it really does look like a longstanding problem. I'm convinced he's lazy and has been for years.
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I believe it. All you can rely on is "hearsay," but as a wise woman told me, "hearsay is reputation."
Is it now? Maybe that wise woman isn't as wise as you think.
I have a good friend who went to the Univ. of Chicago and was classmates with someone who supervised Obama for a summer when Obama was a student. Heard the same kind of reports about his work ethic.
You're four layers removed already: you to your friend, your friend to his friend, his friend to his classmate, his classmate to Obama. You may as well tell us about that one friend you met at a gas-station bathroom, that knew a guy that dated a girl whose Father had an obstetrician friend that volunteered with Doctors without Borders and delivered newborn Barack out in the bush of Kenya.
Yes it's layered information and could be inaccurate, but when you keep hearing the same things from multiple different sources from different parts of his life, there is probably some truth to it.
It's not only layered. It's completely anonymous. It's meaningless because it's hearsay and because the veracity of the original source can't be ascertained - to say nothing of the intermediate sources.
Then when you look at his work ethic as president (skipping daily intelligence briefings, not working with Congress, etc.) it really does look like a longstanding problem. I'm convinced he's lazy and has been for years.
Right... because someone graduates from Harvard by being lazy. Oh, wait... you probably don't think he graduated either - maybe because another friend told you he knows someone that was at the Admissions office and he personally processed Obama's rejection letter and he said: "shit, I should remember this because this guy will be President one day!" You people are fucking delusional.
Instead of challenging Obama on the merits and arguing against his policies, you argue against the man. Who gives a fuck about Obama the man? He'll be gone in two years. What matters are his policies.
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Is it now? Maybe that wise woman isn't as wise as you think.
You're four layers removed already: you to your friend, your friend to his friend, his friend to his classmate, his classmate to Obama. You may as well tell us about that one friend you met at a gas-station bathroom, that knew a guy that dated a girl whose Father had an obstetrician friend that volunteered with Doctors without Borders and delivered newborn Barack out in the bush of Kenya.
It's not only layered. It's completely anonymous. It's meaningless because it's hearsay and because the veracity of the original source can't be ascertained - to say nothing of the intermediate sources.
Right... because someone graduates from Harvard by being lazy. Oh, wait... you probably don't think he graduated either - maybe because another friend told you he knows someone that was at the Admissions office and he personally processed Obama's rejection letter and he said: "shit, I should remember this because this guy will be President one day!" You people are fucking delusional.
Instead of challenging Obama on the merits and arguing against his policies, you argue against the man. Who gives a fuck about Obama the man? He'll be gone in two years. What matters are his policies.
She is an incredibly smart, accomplished woman. I've known her for over 20 years. One of the most successful persons in our state. And she was absolutely right. Hearsay is reputation.
Actually it's only two people removed. My friend. His classmate who actually supervised Obama. It's still hearsay. And as I already acknowledged, it could be false. But I don't believe it's false for the reasons I already stated.
Yes I believe he graduated from Harvard. I also believe you can be lazy and graduate from Harvard. Have you ever met a lazy Harvard grad? I have. I'm sure they are the exception, but I've encountered more than one Ivy League grad and come away thinking: "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, you graduated from where??"
If you are saying I have not argued against Obama's policies on this board then you haven't been paying attention.
Now, I don't usually address in such detail made-up crap like this, but I did make an exception this morning. :)
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She is an incredibly smart, accomplished woman. I've known her for over 20 years. One of the most successful persons in our state. And she was absolutely right. Hearsay is reputation.
Actually it's only two people removed. My friend. His classmate who actually supervised Obama. It's still hearsay. And as I already acknowledged, it could be false. But I don't believe it's false for the reasons I already stated.
Yes I believe he graduated from Harvard. I also believe you can be lazy and graduate from Harvard. Have you ever met a lazy Harvard grad? I have. I'm sure they are the exception, but I've encountered more than one Ivy League grad and come away thinking: "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, you graduated from where??"
If you are saying I have not argued against Obama's policies on this board then you haven't been paying attention.
Now, I don't usually address in such detail made-up crap like this, but I did make an exception this morning. :)
Also, I mistakenly added a layer regarding Obama's former supervisor. It was the classmate of my friend, not the friend of classmate's friend as I initially said.
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A friend of a friend said your friend is an idiot. It's true.
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Don't be too happy: an objective but generous evaluation of Obama "on the merits" comes back with a D. Which is what makes the need to come up with nonsense to challenge Obama impossible to understand.
I disagree...Obama is doing EVERYTHING HE SAID HE WOULD DO..its not a secret....he said he would keep us out of war and he has...no American troops in new conflicts...and he's winding down the Afghan war......he gave us Obamacare.....you say he's weak but the American people DO NOT WANT WAR AGAIN...especially in the middle east..he's doing what the American people want.....AND HE'S BROUGHT DOWN THE DEFICIT TREMENDOUSLY
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I disagree...Obama is doing EVERYTHING HE SAID HE WOULD DO..its not a secret....he said he would keep us out of war and he has...no American troops in new conflicts...and he's winding down the Afghan war......he gave us Obamacare.....you say he's weak but the American people DO NOT WANT WAR AGAIN...especially in the middle east..he's doing what the American people want.....AND HE'S BROUGHT DOWN THE DEFICIT TREMENDOUSLY
true that. he promised liberals universal healthcare, he promised amnesty. everyone screaming "I told you...". Um, obama told us.
Cruz or lose.
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I disagree...Obama is doing EVERYTHING HE SAID HE WOULD DO..its not a secret....he said he would keep us out of war and he has...no American troops in new conflicts...and he's winding down the Afghan war......he gave us Obamacare.....you say he's weak but the American people DO NOT WANT WAR AGAIN...especially in the middle east..he's doing what the American people want.....AND HE'S BROUGHT DOWN THE DEFICIT TREMENDOUSLY
You can disagree all you want. I did, after all, say an objective assessment, and you are anything but objective. With that out of the way, you suggest that I said "he's weak" but none of the 36 words in my post are "weak". If you're going to quote and answer my post, then quote and answer my post, not some other stuff.
Even if I were to grant you that Obama did everything he said he would, that changes nothing about what I said. He's done a generally poor job.
Now, as to your specific objections, sure we haven't officially engaged in any new conflicts but, at the same time, a lot of his decisions are directly or indirectly responsible for a dramatic worsening of the situation in the Middle East. You say he gave us Obamacare as if that's some amazing thing. It's a clusterfuck. And as for the deficit, we all know that the deficit moves in only one direction - accountant tricks aside.
Obama is a great politician. He's just a shitty President.
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You can disagree all you want. I did, after all, say an objective assessment, and you are anything but objective. With that out of the way, you suggest that I said "he's weak" but none of the 36 words in my post are "weak". If you're going to quote and answer my post, then quote and answer my post, not some other stuff.
Even if I were to grant you that Obama did everything he said he would, that changes nothing about what I said. He's done a generally poor job.
Now, as to your specific objections, sure we haven't officially engaged in any new conflicts but, at the same time, a lot of his decisions are directly or indirectly responsible for a dramatic worsening of the situation in the Middle East. You say he gave us Obamacare as if that's some amazing thing. It's a clusterfuck. And as for the deficit, we all know that the deficit moves in only one direction - accountant tricks aside.
Obama is a great politician. He's just a shitty President.
I don't understand why YOU are objective and yet I am not.....My argument has merits....and its factual....If a guy says he will do XYZ and proceeds to do XYZ then he has basically done a good job.....no matter what you think.....he has fulfilled the promises he has made to the people who elected him.....what you think in this regard doesn't matter....even you acknowledge he has done what he set out to do..which I think is very refreshing for a change that a politician ACTUALLY DOES WHAT YOU ELECTED HIM TO DO.......
The fact is that the United States can no longer control world events, and the American people doesn't want this either.....because Americans are tired of having our boys (and girls) fight these shitty wars on behalf of others....we are broke..we cannot afford it....Obama knows this......he is saving the lives of our soldiers and bringing down the deficit big time..he has presided over the economy coming back.....and given us healthcare which every single indicator says is working and lowering healthcare costs.....hes not perfect but he has essentially had to govern on his own with no help from Republicans who are divided, butthurt, and weak...I think he has been a great president in terms of setting his agenda and implementing it
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I don't understand why YOU are objective and yet I am not.....My argument has merits....and its factual....If a guy says he will do XYZ and proceeds to do XYZ then he has basically done a good job.....no matter what you think.....he has fulfilled the promises he has made to the people who elected him.....what you think in this regard doesn't matter....even you acknowledge he has done what he set out to do..which I think is very refreshing for a change that a politician ACTUALLY DOES WHAT YOU ELECTED HIM TO DO.......
The fact is that the United States can no longer control world events, and the American people doesn't want this either.....because Americans are tired of having our boys (and girls) fight these shitty wars on behalf of others....we are broke..we cannot afford it....Obama knows this......he is saving the lives of our soldiers and bringing down the deficit big time..he has presided over the economy coming back.....and given us healthcare which every single indicator says is working and lowering healthcare costs.....hes not perfect but he has essentially had to govern on his own with no help from Republicans who are divided, butthurt, and weak...I think he has been a great president in terms of setting his agenda and implementing it
There's more to being President. You look at one aspect - which you think is favorable for Obama - and declare that he did well and therefore is a good President. And that is the flaw in your logic.
You say Obama didn't start any new wars and wound down existing ones. He also presided over a dramatic worsening of the situation in the Middle East, including the rise of ISIS and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq.
You say that Obama passed Obamacare. Setting aside whether the ACA is a good or a bad thing, the implementation of the ACA by the Executive branch, which he oversaw, was a clusterfuck and is a problem to this day. You claim that every single indicator claims lowered healthcare costs; to date, your statement is not accurate and the most sizable reduction of cost (to Medicare) was because of Part D restructuring that was not ACA related and had, in fact, been passed during Bush.
Again, Obama is a great politician but he proved himself to be a shitty President. That doesn't change even if I were to grant you that Obama did everything he promised to do.
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No transcripts from anywhere. Welcome chosen one.
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There's more to being President. You look at one aspect - which you think is favorable for Obama - and declare that he did well and therefore is a good President. And that is the flaw in your logic.
You say Obama didn't start any new wars and wound down existing ones. He also presided over a dramatic worsening of the situation in the Middle East, including the rise of ISIS and the deterioration of the situation in Iraq.
You say that Obama passed Obamacare. Setting aside whether the ACA is a good or a bad thing, the implementation of the ACA by the Executive branch, which he oversaw, was a clusterfuck and is a problem to this day. You claim that every single indicator claims lowered healthcare costs; to date, your statement is not accurate and the most sizable reduction of cost (to Medicare) was because of Part D restructuring that was not ACA related and had, in fact, been passed during Bush.
Again, Obama is a great politician but he proved himself to be a shitty President. That doesn't change even if I were to grant you that Obama did everything he promised to do.
and again I ask why does Obama get the blame because the middle east can't get itself together???....thats a religious war that no one on earth can stop...why doesn't Putin get the blame for backing Syria and preventling any action to be taken through the UN due to his veto threats???.....whats china doing???...the EU???....Obama does not want us to go to war...obviously and rightly so....also Obama asked congress months ago for war authorization against ISIS and there has been no response.........Obama has decided that he's not going to go it alone and wind up criticized like George Bush was and still is......
As for the implemetation of the ACA, Medicaid and Social Security had problems with roll out as well...its just that we didn't have the internet and cable news to harp on government mistakes back then.....the fact is you call him a shitty president but OBAMA HAS
Kept us out of war
reduced the deficit tremendously thereby reducing borrowing from china
normalized ties with Cuba...which will benefit our businesses tremendously
gave us universal healthcare which will reduce costs and prevent insurance companies from dropping coverage for the first time ever
gotten our allies to actually do something with their involvement in the Libyan war and their bombing runs in the middle east and got teh moderate Arab states to actually fight for themselves rather than America coming to the rescue AGAIN
I can list 10 other things he's done including catching Osama Bin Laden and bank reform but why bother?..you won't acknowledge it anyway
what more do you want??? 8) 8)
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No transcripts from anywhere. Welcome chosen one.
"No transcripts". Post that shit in the conspiracy theory board where it belongs Joe.
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"No transcripts". Post that shit in the conspiracy theory board where it belongs Joe.
:D
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I don't understand why YOU are objective and yet I am not.....My argument has merits....and its factual....If a guy says he will do XYZ and proceeds to do XYZ then he has basically done a good job.....no matter what you think.....he has fulfilled the promises he has made to the people who elected him.....what you think in this regard doesn't matter....even you acknowledge he has done what he set out to do..which I think is very refreshing for a change that a politician ACTUALLY DOES WHAT YOU ELECTED HIM TO DO.......
The fact is that the United States can no longer control world events, and the American people doesn't want this either.....because Americans are tired of having our boys (and girls) fight these shitty wars on behalf of others....we are broke..we cannot afford it....Obama knows this......he is saving the lives of our soldiers and bringing down the deficit big time..he has presided over the economy coming back.....and given us healthcare which every single indicator says is working and lowering healthcare costs.....hes not perfect but he has essentially had to govern on his own with no help from Republicans who are divided, butthurt, and weak...I think he has been a great president in terms of setting his agenda and implementing it
oh good god.
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oh good god.
All truth..can't be refuted....all factual.....not opinion
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All truth..can't be refuted....all factual.....not opinion
Obama's decisions about Obamacare, the Middle East, and the situation in Cuba aren't something you can accurately measure as successful or not at the present time. stop saying that.
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Obama's decisions about Obamacare, the Middle East, and the situation in Cuba aren't something you can accurately measure as successful or not at the present time. stop saying that.
All Im saying is that he did what he was elected to do..end of story
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All Im saying is that he did what he was elected to do..end of story
I will give you that. as much as it pains me I agree with you.
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I will give you that. as much as it pains me I agree with you.
Thats great...I've gained a lot of respect for you...good job...now we can be friends :D
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All Im saying is that he did what he was elected to do..end of story
So who should we blame? You for voting him or Obama himself? We warned you long before he was elected what would happen and sure as shit it's happened 10 fold. You can dispute the wars all you want but the fact remains is it was a bipartisan vote and Bush asked for approval before going in unlike Obama making shit on the fly and doing as he pleases. You're right, we pulled out of Iraq and look what happened. Exactly what Bush predicted would happen. Releasing detainees from Gitmo only to do what we thought they would do. Go back and kill more of our troops.
The economy....you can't create an economy by killing small business with taxes, raising min wage and creating a debt that isn't sustainable. You cannot borrow your way out of debt. Sorry, I can't find one redeeming quality. I can keep going if you wish.
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So who should we blame? You for voting him or Obama himself? We warned you long before he was elected what would happen and sure as shit it's happened 10 fold. You can dispute the wars all you want but the fact remains is it was a bipartisan vote and Bush asked for approval before going in unlike Obama making shit on the fly and doing as he pleases. You're right, we pulled out of Iraq and look what happened. Exactly what Bush predicted would happen. Releasing detainees from Gitmo only to do what we thought they would do. Go back and kill more of our troops.
The economy....you can't create an economy by killing small business with taxes, raising min wage and creating a debt that isn't sustainable. You cannot borrow your way out of debt. Sorry, I can't find one redeeming quality. I can keep going if you wish.
I know this is a waste of time because facts absolutely do not matter to you......We were kicked out of IRAQ because Maliki would not sign an agreement giving our soldiers immunity from prosecution....we warned Maliki about what would happen and he didn't care...we could not stay in Iraq under those circumstances.....or else every mickey mouse judge in Iraq would be trying to take revenge on our troops by jailing them for supposed "crimes"
the Republicans have conned guys like you into believing that raising the minimum wage kills jobs and every single time that the minimum wage has been raised there are no job losses....and when the minimum wage is kept artificially low, then guess who has to subsidize those workers????...THE GOVERNMENT....with food stamps and rent assistance....The national debt increased substantially under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II......and yes, under Obama as well....Clinton left office with a huge surplus...as for small business, what have the Republicans done for them????..they are focused on giving huge tax breaks to the rich and corporations...
YOU JUST DONT GET IT
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and again I ask why does Obama get the blame because the middle east can't get itself together???
He gets the blame for poorly handling an admittedly shitty situation.
....thats a religious war that no one on earth can stop...why doesn't Putin get the blame for backing Syria and preventling any action to be taken through the UN due to his veto threats???.....whats china doing???...the EU???....Obama does not want us to go to war...obviously and rightly so....also Obama asked congress months ago for war authorization against ISIS and there has been no response.........Obama has decided that he's not going to go it alone and wind up criticized like George Bush was and still is......
I'm happy to discuss geopolitics and provide my opinion on Putin, however, I'm not Russian and have no stake or say in Russian politics. I'm also not Chinese and don't have EU citizenship since I'm not a citizen of a member state. However, I am American and I have both a stake and a say in U.S. politics. The decisions that Obama (and the Congress too, since I speak against those idiots too) are made in my name, and when decisions that I disagree with are made in my name, I will make sure that my objection is heard.
You're also contradicting yourself - Obama doesn't want us to go to war, but asked for authorization to go? At any rate, you and I both know that if Obama wanted to deal with ISIS militarily, he didn't need the authorization of Congress under the War Powers Act of 1973: he can deploy troops for up to 90 days before he has to go to Congress. He should deployed them against ISIS and he should have had ISIS relentlessly pummeled back to the stone age by bombing for a month, followed by deploying troops to take out the rest of the trash.
Let's be clear - I don't want war and you don't want war. In fact, very few people genuinely want war and they are fucking idiots. But this isn't about whether we want war. This is about a virulent group that's spreading and seeks nothing less than to wage war on us. This isn't about starting a war - this is about finishing one. You can argue that that's naive - that that war can never be won, and you may even be right. But the alternative is to lose and I don't accept that.
As for the implemetation of the ACA, Medicaid and Social Security had problems with roll out as well...its just that we didn't have the internet and cable news to harp on government mistakes back then.....
Right... the problem is the Internet harping on government mistakes. It's not the unwarranted and uncontrolled expansion of Government. It's not the fact that the government now forces us, at the point of the proverbial gun, to pay to purchase a product we may not want.
the fact is you call him a shitty president but OBAMA HAS
Kept us out of war
If you're to be believed, that's only because Congress didn't give him the authorization he asked for. I hardly think he should take credit for that.
reduced the deficit tremendously thereby reducing borrowing from china
Again, the reductions where mostly iconic - the result of clever bookkeeping and proscribed sunsetting of spending mandates by the previous Administration. Let's not kid ourselves that Obama has actually done something meaningful about the crippling debt that we are faced with.
normalized ties with Cuba...which will benefit our businesses tremendously
Right... our businesses will benefit tremendously because we normalized relations with Cuba, where salaries range from 17 to 30 USD a month. Why, I can already see the businessmen counting their pesos before they hatch!
gave us universal healthcare which will reduce costs and prevent insurance companies from dropping coverage for the first time ever
It's unclear if either of these things are good, especially considering that they are provided by raiding the American people's wallets.
gotten our allies to actually do something with their involvement in the Libyan war and their bombing runs in the middle east and got teh moderate Arab states to actually fight for themselves rather than America coming to the rescue AGAIN
Was that before or after he failed to gain Congress's approval? And you'll forgive me if I'm not amazed that he could convince people to act in their own best interest.
I can list 10 other things he's done including catching Osama Bin Laden and bank reform but why bother?..you won't acknowledge it anyway
I'm more than happy to acknowledge what Obama has done right; for example, I applaud him for his decision to pursue and take out Bin Laden when given the opportunity, although I'd have much preferred it if we captured that son of a bitch alive, tried him and then sentenced him to death. I also think that he did well in expanding stem-cell research by eliminating some of the bone-headed restrictions put in place by the previous Adminstration. There's a few other things I could name, but you get the point: I'm not anti-Obama. I'm pro-good-President.
what more do you want??? 8) 8)
I want a President who realizes that the Government the Founding Fathers created was a small, limited, constrained and tightly circumscribed one, instead of a gargantuan, unlimited, unconstrained and expansive one. I want a President who repeals EOs 12333, 13284, 13555, and 13470 and orders the executive branch to stop spying on Americans. I want a President who doesn't think that it's appropriate for some politicos in Washington to decide how I spend my money. Is that really too much to ask?
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So who should we blame? You for voting him or Obama himself? We warned you long before he was elected what would happen and sure as shit it's happened 10 fold. You can dispute the wars all you want but the fact remains is it was a bipartisan vote and Bush asked for approval before going in unlike Obama making shit on the fly and doing as he pleases. You're right, we pulled out of Iraq and look what happened. Exactly what Bush predicted would happen. Releasing detainees from Gitmo only to do what we thought they would do. Go back and kill more of our troops.
The economy....you can't create an economy by killing small business with taxes, raising min wage and creating a debt that isn't sustainable. You cannot borrow your way out of debt. Sorry, I can't find one redeeming quality. I can keep going if you wish.
No you can't as you actually haven't said anything. Just filler. Although I guess you can write more filler.