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So that's what this machine is good for?
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I always feel this more in my shoulders than I do my chest. SF1900 does not use the pec deck any more.
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10000000 times better than dumbell flies
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10000000 times better than dumbell flies
Weird, because I feel flies more in my chest than pec deck. Bodybuilding is such a unique, beautiful and individualized sport.
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I always feel this more in my shoulders than I do my chest. SF1900 does not use the pec deck any more.
Keep your shoulders back and keep your arms at the same bend the whole time
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So that's what this machine is good for?
it,s for building gladiator pecs when used in conjumction with pec necktar... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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total piece of crap. Some like it though. All I ever see are pussy ass twinks using it.
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I'll stick with dumbbell flies, thanks.
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I done like this exercise.
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If I trained rear delts, would use the pec deck machine though.
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Not a big fan of it.
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first thing you do is retract shoulder blades and keep them retracted through the whole set
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far better than flyes.
flyes only work your pec for about 1/3 of the motion. once the bell goes past the point level with your shoulders, it is moving more inwards than up. dumb bells only work when they are moving against gravity.
pec dec has force all through the motion cos its attached to a stack that moves up and down. if you arent feeling it, then you arent doing it right.
its the most isolated way of training the pecs, even better than crossovers because they dont have a cable that follows an arc. pec dec is easy on the shoulders also if you dont go too far back, and you can vary the angle by changing the seat height. you can also do partials from top down, or bottom up etc.
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so you reckon someone who benched for years and have great chest development would really bring their chest up even more by doing pec dec or any fly for that matter ::)
or could it be it doesnt do jack shit.
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I like to do it not using my hands just resting my biceps on the pads and squeezing the chest. The end of the movement is where i find the most contraction. Its more of a feel/pump exercise. For traumatizing and stretching the muscle flies are better.
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far better than flyes.
flyes only work your pec for about 1/3 of the motion. once the bell goes past the point level with your shoulders, it is moving more inwards than up. dumb bells only work when they are moving against gravity.
pec dec has force all through the motion cos its attached to a stack that moves up and down. if you arent feeling it, then you arent doing it right.
its the most isolated way of training the pecs, even better than crossovers because they dont have a cable that follows an arc. pec dec is easy on the shoulders also if you dont go too far back, and you can vary the angle by changing the seat height. you can also do partials from top down, or bottom up etc.
Agree.
Constant TUT on the targeted muscles over a greater ROM. I also prefer the variety posted above by Funk because of the location of the resistance. Performing the movement unilaterally allows for an an even greater ROM by extending the rep past the midline of the body where it usually stops as the arms meet.
By no means do I consider the pec deck, or any kind of fly movement a replacement for compound chest work, but I believe it certainly has a place in serious chest training as much as leg extensions and hamstring curls do for legs.
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(http://i.imgur.com/yAmrIyH.jpg)
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Works like a charm for me
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Agree.
Constant TUT on the targeted muscles over a greater ROM. I also prefer the variety posted above by Funk because of the location of the resistance. Performing the movement unilaterally allows for an an even greater ROM by extending the rep past the midline of the body where it usually stops as the arms meet.
By no means do I consider the pec deck, or any kind of fly movement a replacement for compound chest work, but I believe it certainly has a place in serious chest training as much as leg extensions and hamstring curls do for legs.
I have to agree and disagree.. the machine funky Bro posted i hate. The other version i find better with just a slight bend in my elbows. Has itīs place as you wrote Monty but i like Decline Flys better. Now and again i use the machine but i see some guys able to use a lot of weight on it, try that with a heavy set of Bells. Just my 2 cents Bros...
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I like it but prefer cable flies. One of the two functions of the chest is to bring arms across your chest and this exercise accomplishes it.
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Weird, because I feel flies more in my chest than pec deck. Bodybuilding is such a unique, beautiful and individualized sport.
After 0.005 sec of analysis , I think you should stick with flys when working chest.
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Sometimes I'll do pec deck as my last exercise on chest day. I feel like if you keep your hands at around the bottom of your chest or even slightly below it hits the chest more than the shoulders. In general, not a huge fan, but good for a light weight burnout right at the end for a couple sets of 20+ reps.
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I like it but prefer cable flies. One of the two functions of the chest is to bring arms across your chest and this exercise accomplishes it.
i first saw this in Bill Pearls great book , "keys to the inner Universe" a must read. Let the "Buff Dudes " show it ;D
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I consider that the flye machine. Pec Dec is the one in the photo of the BBer with his arms bent a 90 degree angles.
I find the flye machine to be a bit better. The Pec Dec strains my shoulders.
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I consider that the flye machine. Pec Dec is the one in the photo of the BBer with his arms bent a 90 degree angles.
I find the flye machine to be a bit better. The Pec Dec strains my shoulders.
100% correct. the Pec Dec is inferior in my opinion. The Flye machine allows freedom of movement in the elbow which is great if you have a joint problem and can find an angle which suits you. the Angle which hits your chest too...still i like the Bells. Do pullovers Superset with Flyes. then a good combination of free weights and machine.
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far better than flyes.
flyes only work your pec for about 1/3 of the motion. once the bell goes past the point level with your shoulders, it is moving more inwards than up. dumb bells only work when they are moving against gravity.
pec dec has force all through the motion cos its attached to a stack that moves up and down. if you arent feeling it, then you arent doing it right.
its the most isolated way of training the pecs, even better than crossovers because they dont have a cable that follows an arc. pec dec is easy on the shoulders also if you dont go too far back, and you can vary the angle by changing the seat height. you can also do partials from top down, or bottom up etc.
talking like someone who has taken courses... What does your real life experience tell you with the movement?
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I have to agree and disagree.. the machine funky Bro posted i hate. The other version i find better with just a slight bend in my elbows. Has itīs place as you wrote Monty but i like Decline Flys better. Now and again i use the machine but i see some guys able to use a lot of weight on it, try that with a heavy set of Bells. Just my 2 cents Bros...
^^Good post.
This should not be a topic of "is the exercise good or not," but rather "is it good/better for YOU?"
Years ago, Rusty Jeffers offered someone on here the great bit of advice to only do the exercises you feel. I honestly believe that, from a hypertrophy standpoint, this is some of the best advice you can follow.
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cable machine press/fly combo at a decline is the best thing for getting my pecs feel like theyre going to pop with zero shoulder trauma
the hand positions on most fly machines means I cant do them unless I loop free-motion handles around their handles (so I can rotate my hands during the lift)
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I always feel this more in my shoulders than I do my chest. SF1900 does not use the pec deck any more.
Bro, try sitting in it with your back on the pad not your chest ;)
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If your internal rotation is shit
If your pecs are tight
If u have lousy t spine mobility
Then the pec deck is not for u
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but the word "pec Deck" is one of the best exercise names ever! Along with "clean and snatch" obviously.
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cable machine press/fly combo at a decline is the best thing for getting my pecs feel like theyre going to pop with zero shoulder trauma
the hand positions on most fly machines means I cant do them unless I loop free-motion handles around their handles (so I can rotate my hands during the lift)
AKA you are short
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I've been training a good 27 years, and I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've done pec deck flies - and this was many years ago when I was just starting out and trying to figure things out. I tried them a few times and concluded that I wasn't really working my chest to any real degree and was just wasting time and energy. Ditto for cable crossovers and even db flies. And chest is one of my stronger bodyparts that I've always gotten compliments on.
I've always done lots of barbell flat and incline presses, incline db presses, and dips. Occasionally doing a little "decline" work by slightly elevating the bottom end of the bench off the floor a few inches just for a little variety - I'm not into doing decline on such a steep angle that I'm practically upside down.
Maybe a couple of sets of higher rep, moderate weight seated machine flat or incline presses to finish the workout. But mostly just moderate to heavy free weights for a good 12-15 work sets, aligning the body properly and using good form.
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I hate those with angled arms, don't feel shit
(http://sporpartnerim.com/media/kunena/attachments/67/pec-deck-butterfly-makinesi-nasil-calisilir.jpg)
The ones with straight arms on the other hand gives me an insane pump and soreness; don't do it every workout though, maybe every other week.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2014/chest-workout-hunter-labradas-5-moves-to-powerful-pecs-4.jpg)
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I used it but got too big. :(
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I hate those with angled arms, don't feel shit
(http://sporpartnerim.com/media/kunena/attachments/67/pec-deck-butterfly-makinesi-nasil-calisilir.jpg)
The ones with straight arms on the other hand gives me an insane pump and soreness; don't do it every workout though, maybe every other week.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2014/chest-workout-hunter-labradas-5-moves-to-powerful-pecs-4.jpg)
X2. Provides a nice stretch at the end of a chest workout. Light weight, 20 reps