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Title: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 04, 2015, 07:48:44 PM
They say in order to avoid injury use light weights that you can do at least 10-15 reps with. The problem is the weights I can do 10-15 reps with are heavy as fuck. I feel like Im too strong for my genetic frame..how do i say this. I can bench 315 for 10-15 reps these days ...but anything over 275 on the bar feels like its too much for my tendons and ligaments  make sense fellas? Almost like the connective tissue can't support the weight when I unrack it in my hands. The other day I strained my pec benching 315 on the first rep of my working set. I dont think I tore it because there is no bruising but I cant even bench the fucking bar right now.

Now I know the REAL reason most bbers  use machines. Its not because they're pussies or too lazy theyre literally too strong for their frame. phil heath could easily bench 500-550 and he proved this with his 225 for 40 bench press, he just doesn't have the frame to have that kind of weight in his hands. A stocky guy like OTH who posts here can handle that because  of his frame

Cant believe I joined this powerlifting gym what a waste of money. All I got was a few reps on my bench and possibly a  torn pec. And I think the increase in my bench had more to do with the music they play than anything. Back to a commercial  gym for me  8)
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Kwon_2 on June 04, 2015, 07:57:04 PM
levroneflintstonee
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: ritch on June 04, 2015, 08:09:52 PM
I think you still need to use some free weights though. Maybe bench at the end of your workout so you won't go so heavy?

But what you say here does make sense. Most really good bb'ers don't have big frames, so the fact they press, push, pull what they do is already a feat in itself.

Of course the gear has an enormous impact, but they still bust ass.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Royalty on June 04, 2015, 08:33:38 PM
Mohammed cartoon contest
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: DanM on June 04, 2015, 08:35:57 PM
Only cases I've ever seen where peoples tendons and ligaments literally couldn't match their muscle output was when they were on heavy cycles and not coming close to handling that sort of weight beforehand. You probably didn't spend much time lifting heavy and building them up beforehand and now when they're put under strain they don't handle it well. The real reason bodybuilders use machine is in fact due to being lazy pussies btw.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Nether Animal on June 04, 2015, 09:15:56 PM
Praying 4 ur pec.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: theTRASHMAN on June 04, 2015, 09:34:30 PM
They say in order to avoid injury use light weights that you can do at least 10-15 reps with. The problem is the weights I can do 10-15 reps with are heavy as fuck. I feel like Im too strong for my genetic frame..how do i say this. I can bench 315 for 10-15 reps these days ...but anything over 275 on the bar feels like its too much for my tendons and ligaments  make sense fellas? Almost like the connective tissue can't support the weight when I unrack it in my hands. The other day I strained my pec benching 315 on the first rep of my working set. I dont think I tore it because there is no bruising but I cant even bench the fucking bar right now.

Now I know the REAL reason most bbers  use machines. Its not because they're pussies or too lazy theyre literally too strong for their frame. phil heath could easily bench 500-550 and he proved this with his 225 for 40 bench press, he just doesn't have the frame to have that kind of weight in his hands. A stocky guy like OTH who posts here can handle that because  of his frame

Cant believe I joined this powerlifting gym what a waste of money. All I got was a few reps on my bench and possibly a  torn pec. And I think the increase in my bench had more to do with the music they play than anything. Back to a commercial  gym for me  8)

how old are you really mr. forever 21?
when did you start juicing? BE HONEST!

if you started while you were still going through puberty, then you are most likely 100 on your self diagnosis. teenage juicers' skeletons stop growing normally.....young, developing bones aren't meant for that kind of beating, but would normally do just fine if the growth cycle went uninterrupted.  when exogenous androgens are introduced, they have the potential to stop the entire pubescent process so your growth plates end up shutting prematurely and you stay with the bone structure/strength of _ _ year old for life. I've seen it a few times.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: da_vinci on June 05, 2015, 02:24:28 AM
I've been building my stregth for many years before I went on the juice. Small bones, small joints, but I have some serious power in these and I feel pretty comfortable moving heavy weights as tendons/ligaments have been accustomed well over a long time and "step by step" kind of progress, while guys who are bigger than me are scratching their heads (they are bigger just because they are on more stuff and they are weaker because they did it sooner than it's needed).
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: SuperTed on June 05, 2015, 02:49:27 AM
I've been building my stregth for many years before I went on the juice. Small bones, small joints, but I have some serious power in these and I feel pretty comfortable moving heavy weights as tendons/ligaments have been accustomed well over a long time and "step by step" kind of progress, while guys who are bigger than me are scratching their heads (they are bigger just because they are on more stuff and they are weaker because they did it sooner than it's needed).

More likely that they are just genetically weaker. Some guys just can't get real strong no matter how big they get.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: SuperTed on June 05, 2015, 02:50:55 AM
phil heath could easily bench 500-550 and he proved this with his 225 for 40 bench press

 ::)
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: da_vinci on June 05, 2015, 03:12:22 AM
More likely that they are just genetically weaker. Some guys just can't get real strong no matter how big they get.

I'm sure that's the case too sometimes, tho' from my long time in the gym and observations I made, it's often these guys who were not patient enough and jumped on th sauce right away. Muscles hypertrophied fast and ligaments stayed approx. the same, thus CNS does not let the strength to be generated by these new muscles or something like that (complete guess, I don't know if that is how it exactly works irl).
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: robcguns on June 05, 2015, 03:28:53 AM
Stick with 275 if thats comfortable and do sets of 20
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: kreator on June 05, 2015, 04:43:02 AM
My guess is you probably just lie down on the bench and unrack the bar without locking your pelvis and retracting shoulder blades?
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Mr Anabolic on June 05, 2015, 06:32:28 AM
They say in order to avoid injury use light weights that you can do at least 10-15 reps with. The problem is the weights I can do 10-15 reps with are heavy as fuck. I feel like Im too strong for my genetic frame..how do i say this. I can bench 315 for 10-15 reps these days ...but anything over 275 on the bar feels like its too much for my tendons and ligaments  make sense fellas? Almost like the connective tissue can't support the weight when I unrack it in my hands. The other day I strained my pec benching 315 on the first rep of my working set. I dont think I tore it because there is no bruising but I cant even bench the fucking bar right now.


Do yourself a big favor, get it checked out by a doctor before training chest again.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: _aj_ on June 05, 2015, 06:43:59 AM
Do you think THIS guy is afraid to bench???

(http://i.imgur.com/0RuimYo.png)
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Yamcha on June 05, 2015, 06:44:52 AM
Do you think THIS guy is afraid to bench???

(http://i.imgur.com/0RuimYo.png)

That bitch gotta robot arm?
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Howard on June 05, 2015, 07:18:00 AM
They say in order to avoid injury use light weights that you can do at least 10-15 reps with. The problem is the weights I can do 10-15 reps with are heavy as fuck. I feel like Im too strong for my genetic frame..how do i say this. I can bench 315 for 10-15 reps these days ...but anything over 275 on the bar feels like its too much for my tendons and ligaments  make sense fellas? Almost like the connective tissue can't support the weight when I unrack it in my hands. The other day I strained my pec benching 315 on the first rep of my working set. I dont think I tore it because there is no bruising but I cant even bench the fucking bar right now.

Now I know the REAL reason most bbers  use machines. Its not because they're pussies or too lazy theyre literally too strong for their frame. phil heath could easily bench 500-550 and he proved this with his 225 for 40 bench press, he just doesn't have the frame to have that kind of weight in his hands. A stocky guy like OTH who posts here can handle that because  of his frame

Cant believe I joined this powerlifting gym what a waste of money. All I got was a few reps on my bench and possibly a  torn pec. And I think the increase in my bench had more to do with the music they play than anything. Back to a commercial  gym for me  8)

Basic , heavy free wt movements like benchpress require stabilizing while performing.
This can offer more stress on the muscle but greatly increase the tension on tendons and smaller stabilizing connective tissue.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Mawse on June 05, 2015, 09:44:56 AM
Fuck the bench press

Dumbbells are your friend, pause every rep and take two seconds to lower on the negative and you'll be fine. ive not had any pec or shoulder issues in the last two years since I dropped the flat barbell even though I used perfect form on that (if you remember my vid when you called me out lol)

Aspire to be like joon and incline the 130s for 10 perfect reps
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: BDsauce on June 05, 2015, 10:03:23 AM
21 is way too young to already have aches and pains...
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Disgusted on June 05, 2015, 10:06:11 AM
In short you have no idea how to use a weight to stimulate the muscle.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 05, 2015, 10:28:19 AM
In short you have no idea how to use a weight to stimulate the muscle.
.  A muscle either contracts or it doesn't. There is no such thing as lifting with your joints and tendons and not using the muscle there is only using certain muscles on certain lifts more than others. The reason why pec tears are so common is most bodybuilders have pecs much stronger than their arms when it should be the opposite. To prove my point How often do you hear of a guy tearing a tricep benching almost never.  The tricep work most of us do in body holding routines only hits the long head of the tricep but it's the area right underneath the elbow that is responsible for big benches...and the only thing that really trains this are in presses dumbbell rolling extensions and close grip benches which most of us don't do.  Unless younare implying that I bounce the bar of my chest which I don't I lower the bar slow and controlled.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: SF1900 on June 05, 2015, 10:32:51 AM
Do you think THIS guy is afraid to bench???

(http://i.imgur.com/0RuimYo.png)

LMAO!!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: wes on June 05, 2015, 10:38:57 AM
I haven`t benched in years and my pecs grew like crazy.

Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 05, 2015, 10:43:37 AM
Stick with 275 if thats comfortable and do sets of 20
X2 life is real easy...
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 05, 2015, 10:50:45 AM
I haven`t benched in years and my pecs grew like crazy.


.  What do you do for them? Flies never did shit for me....I'm thinking about taking up the hammer machine.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 05, 2015, 10:52:45 AM
Fuck the bench press

Dumbbells are your friend, pause every rep and take two seconds to lower on the negative and you'll be fine. ive not had any pec or shoulder issues in the last two years since I dropped the flat barbell even though I used perfect form on that (if you remember my vid when you called me out lol)

Aspire to be like joon and incline the 130s for 10 perfect reps
.  Haha yes I remember u owned me that day pretty good.   ;D
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Fortress on June 05, 2015, 11:08:16 AM
I can bench 315 for 10-15 reps, but anything over 275 feels like it's too much for my tendons and ligaments. The other day I strained my pec benching 315, on the first rep. Now I know the REAL reason most bodybuilders use machines. Phil Heath could easily bench 500-550. He proved this with his 225 for 40.

1.) It's called you're-on-gas-and-you-haven't-earned-the-poundage-you're-lifting, dork.

2.) Heath would be pinned under 500. Five-fifty?! Call EMS. Him pressing 225 for 40 doesn't equate to what you're suggesting, Mr. Know-Nothing. In fact, I don't care how many reps someone can do with 225: If you don't train to handle excess weight, no amount of reps with a sub-sub poundage is gonna prevent total failure/disaster under a seriously huge load.

Final Note: You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop all juicing and educate yourself. Several years of drug-free lifting should start you toward this goal.

Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 05, 2015, 11:20:45 AM
1.) It's called you're-on-gas-and-you-haven't-earned-the-poundage-you're-lifting, dork.

2.) Heath would be pinned under 500. Five-fifty?! Call EMS. Him pressing 225 for 40 doesn't equate to what you're suggesting, Mr. Know-Nothing. In fact, I don't care how many reps someone can do with 225: If you don't train to handle excess weight, no amount of reps with a sub-sub poundage is gonna prevent total failure/disaster under a seriously huge load.

Final Note: You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop all juicing and educate yourself. Several years of drug-free lifting should start you toward this goal.

Hope this helps.


.  Funny, there was a study done on  in division 1 college football players and there was a correlation between 225 rep test and a lifters one rep max.  Add to the fact that these guys are  more white fiber dominant and have far more fast twitch muscle fibers than the average guy you can easily make the argument that a lifters 225 reps test is an great prediction of his max.  When o could hit 225 for 25 my max bench was 385...when my 225 went up to 30 my max did as well. Another powerlifter who can't come to terms with the fact that most pro bodybuilders are as strong as some pretty damn good powerlifters.  
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: wes on June 05, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
.  What do you do for them? Flies never did shit for me....I'm thinking about taking up the hammer machine.
Yup,heavy flyes and Smith Inclines.


Try doing Flyes first,then right into a set of benches.........pre-exhaust.

Less chance of injury as you won`t be able to go as heavy but it`ll still stimulate pec growth.

Hope you`re OK dude!  ;)
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: wes on June 05, 2015, 11:37:39 AM
1.) It's called you're-on-gas-and-you-haven't-earned-the-poundage-you're-lifting, dork.

2.) Heath would be pinned under 500. Five-fifty?! Call EMS. Him pressing 225 for 40 doesn't equate to what you're suggesting, Mr. Know-Nothing. In fact, I don't care how many reps someone can do with 225: If you don't train to handle excess weight, no amount of reps with a sub-sub poundage is gonna prevent total failure/disaster under a seriously huge load.

Final Note: You have no idea what you're talking about. Please stop all juicing and educate yourself. Several years of drug-free lifting should start you toward this goal.

Hope this helps.


;D
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Fortress on June 05, 2015, 11:43:49 AM
.  Funny, there was a study done on  in division 1 college football players and there was a correlation between 225 rep test and a lifters one rep max.  Add to the fact that these guys are  more white fiber dominant and have far more fast twitch muscle fibers than the average guy you can easily make the argument that a lifters 225 reps test is an great prediction of his max.  When o could hit 225 for 25 my max bench was when my 225 went up my max did as well. Another powerlifter who can't come to terms with the fact that most pro bodybuilders are as strong as some pretty damn good powerlifters.  

What's funny?

Anyway ... Yes, reps, for the general weight-training masses, are a good rough guide to a 1RM. But NOT when considering a veteran strength athlete with a huge capacity. Still a passable ROUGH guide. But the accuracy will be extremely hit-and-miss.

I began my weight-training career as a competitive bodybuilder. And I have lifted with and observed many of the most well-known IFBB pros, so don't start down this road, friend. Without QUESTION there are some freakishly strong bodybuilders. Always has been. I am far from the guy who'd ever suggest otherwise.

Understand the context, my man.  

 
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 05, 2015, 01:22:54 PM
Since my supraspinatus tear I rely on slow DB presses, 15-20 reps. Plus slow flies...that is how I keep my shoulders happy.  :D
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Nirvana on June 05, 2015, 04:08:13 PM
Praying 4 ur pec.
x2
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: shiftedShapes on June 05, 2015, 04:51:14 PM
They say in order to avoid injury use light weights that you can do at least 10-15 reps with. The problem is the weights I can do 10-15 reps with are heavy as fuck. I feel like Im too strong for my genetic frame..how do i say this. I can bench 315 for 10-15 reps these days ...but anything over 275 on the bar feels like its too much for my tendons and ligaments  make sense fellas? Almost like the connective tissue can't support the weight when I unrack it in my hands. The other day I strained my pec benching 315 on the first rep of my working set. I dont think I tore it because there is no bruising but I cant even bench the fucking bar right now.

Now I know the REAL reason most bbers  use machines. Its not because they're pussies or too lazy theyre literally too strong for their frame. phil heath could easily bench 500-550 and he proved this with his 225 for 40 bench press, he just doesn't have the frame to have that kind of weight in his hands. A stocky guy like OTH who posts here can handle that because  of his frame

Cant believe I joined this powerlifting gym what a waste of money. All I got was a few reps on my bench and possibly a  torn pec. And I think the increase in my bench had more to do with the music they play than anything. Back to a commercial  gym for me  8)

Your problem is that your form is likely shitty and you are using a weight that is way too heavy.  I would be shocked if you posted a video of 10 reps (let alone 15) with 315 and proper form.  That means a pause on the chest no momentum during the movement and complete lock out every rep.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: oldtimer1 on June 05, 2015, 05:04:02 PM
Many times juice can increase you muscle strength faster than your tendon strength. I know it sounds very bro science but guys have added 100lbs in the bench in 6 weeks of juicing.

Lower the weight and do slow cadence lifting. Three seconds up and three seconds down. It will lower the weight but is safer than the normal bodybuilding rep cadence. If you can lift as much as you wrote you're incredibly strong. Regarding Heath is there a video of him doing 40 reps in the bench. Find that hard to believe.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: oldtimer1 on June 05, 2015, 05:06:33 PM
Never mind about Heath. Just watched the video and he's doing half reps.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Fortress on June 05, 2015, 05:12:34 PM
Many times juice can increase you muscle strength faster than your tendon strength. I know it sounds very bro science but guys have added 100lbs in the bench in 6 weeks of juicing.

Lower the weight and do slow cadence lifting. Three seconds up and three seconds down. It will lower the weight but is safer than the normal bodybuilding rep cadence. If you can lift as much as you wrote you're incredibly strong. Regarding Heath is there a video of him doing 40 reps in the bench. Find that hard to believe.

I totally believe Heath can hit upward of 40 reps with 225. I'm drug-free and could approximate (not 40, so don't get your knickers in a knot) such a feat.

Regardless, to suggest Phil could "easily" press 5-550 is pure ignorance. The author of this idiotic statement is probably one of those guys who believe Arnold could bench 500 in his heyday.

P.S. There's nothing "bro science" about the statement that, with steroid use, muscles strengthen, but tendons, etc. do not (from the excess hormones). It's ABSOLUTELY why a majority of major injuries in weight training happen to lifters who are using. 

 
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: DanM on June 05, 2015, 05:26:36 PM
Like said earlier this young flintstone guy hasn't put in the years and earned his poundage's rather instead going heavy on the sauce and because of it is handling weight he's not ready for, then is left wondering why his joints and tendons can't keep up.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Fortress on June 05, 2015, 05:29:58 PM
Like said earlier this young flintstone guy hasn't put in the years and earned his poundage's rather instead going heavy on the sauce and because of it is handling weight he's not ready for, then wondering why his joints and tendons can't keep up.

The cockwhistle fucks his pec on the first rep of a set with a poundage that he says is so light he can hit it for 10-15.

Oh brother  ::)

Three months prior, when he was not using, he was likely hitting crummy-ass reps with 185.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

 :D

Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 05, 2015, 10:57:29 PM
Your problem is that your form is likely shitty and you are using a weight that is way too heavy.  I would be shocked if you posted a video of 10 reps (let alone 15) with 315 and proper form.  That means a pause on the chest no momentum during the movement and complete lock out every rep.

LOL There is a video I posted  over a year ago hitting 315 for 7 with no spot and more in the tank.....I  weighed 205-208. . Im over 220 pounds now of course I could bench alot more.

I control the negative yes but  no Im sorry I dont "pause my reps" when doing high rep sets ...not one guy  I know does  ::).  
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: ritch on June 05, 2015, 11:29:16 PM
Many times juice can increase you muscle strength faster than your tendon strength. I know it sounds very bro science but guys have added 100lbs in the bench in 6 weeks of juicing.

Lower the weight and do slow cadence lifting. Three seconds up and three seconds down. It will lower the weight but is safer than the normal bodybuilding rep cadence. If you can lift as much as you wrote you're incredibly strong. Regarding Heath is there a video of him doing 40 reps in the bench. Find that hard to believe.

they should have gone 12 weeks to add 200lbs. Joint problems? Add deca. All is good...
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: The True Adonis on June 05, 2015, 11:34:21 PM
In three years, when you are 22 years old, you may try bench presses again.  Until then, stick to dumbbells.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 05, 2015, 11:38:17 PM
Many times juice can increase you muscle strength faster than your tendon strength. I know it sounds very bro science but guys have added 100lbs in the bench in 6 weeks of juicing.

Lower the weight and do slow cadence lifting. Three seconds up and three seconds down. It will lower the weight but is safer than the normal bodybuilding rep cadence. If you can lift as much as you wrote you're incredibly strong. Regarding Heath is there a video of him doing 40 reps in the bench. Find that hard to believe.

No they dont, only newbs maybe...The average natural dedicated bodybuilder  benches what 275-315? I dont know many guys benching 375 after their first 6 week cycle, hell most guys wont even reach 405 after years of use. We got guys on here who are proof of that. I actually know more guys that juicer who bench less than 315 than those that bench more
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: latiuss on June 05, 2015, 11:41:46 PM
Like said earlier this young flintstone guy hasn't put in the years and earned his poundage's rather instead going heavy on the sauce and because of it is handling weight he's not ready for, then is left wondering why his joints and tendons can't keep up.

Flint is strong bro
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: local hero on June 06, 2015, 12:08:00 AM
In short you have no idea how to use a weight to stimulate the muscle.


Exactly... Slow it down, squeeze, contract, watch your poundage's plummet and your aches go away
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2015, 03:40:34 AM
Flint is strong bro

Average for a juicer really. Weighing 200+ and benching 315 isn't impressive imo

Come down to my gym at destination Dallas and u have lots of guys weighing in the 170's to 180's doing 315 for 6-10 solid reps and some in the low 400's for one rep maxs weighing 190's to 200's.. And these aren't powerlifters either, but competitive bbers and physique competitors

Like I said not impressive for a juicer and someone that is dedicated

Stop the juice and watch how much his strength plummets

Like some say, his tendons and joints dont seem strong enough to handle that kind of weight

Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Rami on June 06, 2015, 04:04:10 AM
Weight training is playing with fire. At any given rep. Like any limited mechanical item a tendon will break if the force is to big. Especially concerning is the biceps. The force placed on these tendon attachments, what it takes to move the arm this way with a heavy weight at the very end, the way the tendon sits in the body makes you wonder how it's even possible.

We just assume that nothing bad will "probably" happen. It's such an unnatural way of using the body really. The isolation movements bodybuilders do are made to put the most force possible on a single tendon and sometimes in the most vulnerable position.



Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Simple Simon on June 06, 2015, 04:55:38 AM
how old are you really mr. forever 21?
when did you start juicing? BE HONEST!


if you started while you were still going through puberty, then you are most likely 100 on your self diagnosis. teenage juicers' skeletons stop growing normally.....young, developing bones aren't meant for that kind of beating, but would normally do just fine if the growth cycle went uninterrupted.  when exogenous androgens are introduced, they have the potential to stop the entire pubescent process so your growth plates end up shutting prematurely and you stay with the bone structure/strength of _ _ year old for life. I've seen it a few times.

Guys first posts here were about gear in 2009.
If he is as old as he says hes been juicing since he was 15/16
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: robcguns on June 06, 2015, 08:45:10 AM
I totally believe Heath can hit upward of 40 reps with 225. I'm drug-free and could approximate (not 40, so don't get your knickers in a knot) such a feat.

Regardless, to suggest Phil could "easily" press 5-550 is pure ignorance. The author of this idiotic statement is probably one of those guys who believe Arnold could bench 500 in his heyday.

P.S. There's nothing "bro science" about the statement that, with steroid use, muscles strengthen, but tendons, etc. do not (from the excess hormones). It's ABSOLUTELY why a majority of major injuries in weight training happen to lifters who are using. 

 
i have benced 495 and when iid it i could do 225 around 30 times.Then when i was able to do 225 40 times i was benching around 425.Repping 225 doesnt equate to huge bench from what i have seen.i know a guy who can bench 225 for 6-8 and maxes at 350 soooo.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: funk51 on June 06, 2015, 08:46:36 AM
They say in order to avoid injury use light weights that you can do at least 10-15 reps with. The problem is the weights I can do 10-15 reps with are heavy as fuck. I feel like Im too strong for my genetic frame..how do i say this. I can bench 315 for 10-15 reps these days ...but anything over 275 on the bar feels like its too much for my tendons and ligaments  make sense fellas? Almost like the connective tissue can't support the weight when I unrack it in my hands. The other day I strained my pec benching 315 on the first rep of my working set. I dont think I tore it because there is no bruising but I cant even bench the fucking bar right now.

Now I know the REAL reason most bbers  use machines. Its not because they're pussies or too lazy theyre literally too strong for their frame. phil heath could easily bench 500-550 and he proved this with his 225 for 40 bench press, he just doesn't have the frame to have that kind of weight in his hands. A stocky guy like OTH who posts here can handle that because  of his frame

Cant believe I joined this powerlifting gym what a waste of money. All I got was a few reps on my bench and possibly a  torn pec. And I think the increase in my bench had more to do with the music they play than anything. Back to a commercial  gym for me  8)
try this
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 06, 2015, 09:15:44 AM
Average for a juicer really. Weighing 200+ and benching 315 isn't impressive imo

Come down to my gym at destination Dallas and u have lots of guys weighing in the 170's to 180's doing 315 for 6-10 solid reps and some in the low 400's for one rep maxs weighing 190's to 200's.. And these aren't powerlifters either, but competitive bbers and physique competitors

Like I said not impressive for a juicer and someone that is dedicated

Stop the juice and watch how much his strength plummets

Like some say, his tendons and joints dont seem strong enough to handle that kind of weight



Please  define impressive for us?  I've benched double bodyweight raw with no powerlifting training whatsoever and didn't even arch my back, or use leg drive  when I did it. Im also over 5'10 and have very long arms.
2.  I've never used any of the real strength drugs.
3. You all juice ....and 95% of you are not as strong as me, will never get as strong as me. . So does that make you weak as fuck?
4. I agree my tendons and joints are not strong enough to handle the weight, thats the whole reason I made this thread jackass ::)  dont see what your point is here we are talking about how strong your muscles are.
5. Lastly I would not describe myself as "dedicated" in comparison to other guys here.

Also I guarantee all those 200lb guys  you know benching 315 for 10 are on some type of test or tren, I benched the double body weight on  DMZ 3.0  A pretty mild pro- hormone 
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: ritch on June 06, 2015, 09:37:06 AM
200+lbs and pressing 3 plates is not impressive?
LOL! OK...
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Dave D on June 06, 2015, 10:49:24 AM
Flint lacks in humility.  Everything he's done is at an elite level without putting forth much effort. If anyone disagrees with him  or knows someone stronger they're on more and better drugs.

 He did once post a video of him shoulder pressing 225 for 10 reps, so he obviously one of the strongest teens around.

All things considered he's the epitome of a getbigger.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: _aj_ on June 06, 2015, 11:29:48 AM
Flint lacks in humility.  Everything he's done is at an elite level without putting forth much effort. If anyone disagrees with him  or knows someone stronger they're on more and better drugs.

 He did once post a video of him shoulder pressing 225 for 10 reps, so he obviously one of the strongest teens around.

All things considered he's the epitome of a getbigger.

It was 15 and it was impressive. I gave props.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 06, 2015, 11:31:40 AM
Just do DB pressies, keep the tension up all the time. That's it, hope this helps.
End of thread.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: BB on June 06, 2015, 11:41:47 AM
It was 15 and it was impressive. I gave props.

A replay of it -

.

Bit of a high incline/shoulder press hybrid on some reps, but certainly impressive for someone his age.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Simple Simon on June 06, 2015, 11:55:55 AM
Please  define impressive for us?  I've benched double bodyweight raw with no powerlifting training whatsoever and didn't even arch my back, or use leg drive  when I did it. Im also over 5'10 and have very long arms.
2.  I've never used any of the real strength drugs.
3. You all juice ....and 95% of you are not as strong as me, will never get as strong as me. . So does that make you weak as fuck?
4. I agree my tendons and joints are not strong enough to handle the weight, thats the whole reason I made this thread jackass ::)  dont see what your point is here we are talking about how strong your muscles are.
5. Lastly I would not describe myself as "dedicated" in comparison to other guys here.

Also I guarantee all those 200lb guys  you know benching 315 for 10 are on some type of test or tren, I benched the double body weight on  DMZ 3.0  A pretty mild pro- hormone 


why is it that my bodyweight went from in the low 160's to starting gear to 190-195 suddenly I can not gain weight to save my life despite eating a caloric surplus. My gear is all legit and pharm grade. I am running 500mg test and 400mg deca and feel very flat. Strength is going up a ton just about every workout but the scale will not move. Close grip bench went up 35 pounds  in the past 6 weeks yet my triceps have stayed the same. ::) I was eating massive amounts of carbs prior to this and the only thing I can think of that is going on is insulin resistance. So for me adding insulin is the only way to gain more weight I imagine.

Before I would rn 3 dbol a day and gain 10 pounds of water. Same gear as before.
My shoulders always sucked but once I started doing alot of work on the smythe machine they went up. I can military press 185 for strict reps with no leg drive six months ago i could only rep out 135 for a few reps especially at the lockout is where I was slow.
I am on  just under 1000mg of test though :D
Got some gh about 300 IU worth and I have no idea how to reconstruct it or how to store it.
Do the vials need to be stored in the fridge from the getgo or is that not until after reconstructing it? How do you reconstruct it?
thanks.


and theres much more if you look

Guy is 17 here in 2010, he also references gear he has took in the past on several occasions.

Jeez, when did you start Flint?
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2015, 03:04:03 PM
200+lbs and pressing 3 plates is not impressive?
LOL! OK...


Not when u are juiced to the gills

Come down to my gym and see for yourself
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2015, 03:08:53 PM
Please  define impressive for us?  I've benched double bodyweight raw with no powerlifting training whatsoever and didn't even arch my back, or use leg drive  when I did it. Im also over 5'10 and have very long arms.
2.  I've never used any of the real strength drugs.
3. You all juice ....and 95% of you are not as strong as me, will never get as strong as me. . So does that make you weak as fuck?
4. I agree my tendons and joints are not strong enough to handle the weight, thats the whole reason I made this thread jackass ::)  dont see what your point is here we are talking about how strong your muscles are.
5. Lastly I would not describe myself as "dedicated" in comparison to other guys here.

Also I guarantee all those 200lb guys  you know benching 315 for 10 are on some type of test or tren, I benched the double body weight on  DMZ 3.0  A pretty mild pro- hormone  

Come down to destination Dallas and see for yourself

Didn't say those 200 pound guys weren't juicing

I was saying most dedicated competiting bbers who is serious can all do 315 for reps, this is true.

What is 5'10 plus? U mean 5'10 and a half haha

Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2015, 03:12:42 PM

and theres much more if you look

Guy is 17 here in 2010, he also references gear he has took in the past on several occasions.

Jeez, when did you start Flint?

So a gram a test at what 17 yrs old or 21?  :D
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: spiro on June 06, 2015, 03:14:58 PM
Flintstones talks a lot of trash especially about woman and some of his other super natural feats but he use to live real close to me so we hit the gym a few times. I will admit he was very impressively strong. He has a thick bone structure. He is a monster for a kid his age.

And benching 315 for reps is very impressive for a 200 pounds guy.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2015, 03:24:22 PM
heres an example hanh from destination, guy doesn't really compete powerlifting at all, worked out like a bber for years and decides to do a strength program

Weighs 190, benches in the mid 400's for a max

Handful of others in my gym, maybe my gym is just more hardcore  ;D


Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 06, 2015, 04:23:56 PM
heres an example hanh from destination, guy doesn't really compete powerlifting at all, worked out like a bber for years and decides to do a strength program

Weighs 190, benches in the mid 400's for a max

Handful of others in my gym, maybe my gym is just more hardcore  ;D




And I benched 420 raw at 210. "not Impressive"  ::)  As for your friend a  450 raw bench at 190 is considered  ELITE in any powerlifting circle. "Guys like him everywhere"

haha oh brother ::)

just fuck off..I can count on one hand the amount of people I've seen bench 450, let alone at under 200 and I've been in alot of gyms.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: geeizback on June 06, 2015, 04:27:41 PM
flintstones

serious question


how are old you honestly?

when did you start gear? year?


I may be able to offer some help if you can give me this info.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2015, 04:30:49 PM
And I benched 420 raw at 210. "not Impressive"  ::)  As for your friend a  450 raw bench at 190 is considered  ELITE in any powerlifting circle. "Guys like him everywhere"

haha oh brother ::)

just fuck off..I can count on one hand the amount of people I've seen bench 450, let alone at under 200 and I've been in alot of gyms.

Guess reading comprehension isn't your thing, but from a guy with no education, no surprise  ;D never said 400+ isn't impressive, said doing 315 for someone who is juiced to the gills, and serious about lifting for a while



Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: _aj_ on June 06, 2015, 04:31:21 PM
I only do DB presses. Mostly for my shoulder, but also so I don't have an opinion in these retarded threads.
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2015, 04:38:51 PM
flintstones

serious question


how are old you honestly?

when did you start gear? year?


I may be able to offer some help if you can give me this info.

He's forever 21
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: flinstones1 on June 06, 2015, 04:39:43 PM
Guess reading comprehension isn't your thing, but from a guy with no education, no surprise  ;D never said 400+ isn't impressive, said doing 315 for someone who is juiced to the gills, and serious about lifting for a while





When did I ever said I did 315? I said  315 for 10-15 reps with good form read my post.

A 315 raw bench for a single isnt impressive but it is a decent  bench.... Nothing to be ashamed over IMO.  I personally  think anything over 365 is a solid good bench for a guy under 220. 
Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: Bevo on June 06, 2015, 05:42:22 PM
When did I ever said I did 315? I said  315 for 10-15 reps with good form read my post.

A 315 raw bench for a single isnt impressive but it is a decent  bench.... Nothing to be ashamed over IMO.  I personally  think anything over 365 is a solid good bench for a guy under 220. 

I agree it's nothing to be ashamed about

My original post was saying there are a handful of 170-200 pd guys doing 315 anywhere from 6-10 reps

Yes they are juiced up and work hard, and are competitors from physique to bbing

Title: Re: Afraid to bench now
Post by: wes on June 06, 2015, 07:01:47 PM
I did a double bodyweight bench on 2 occasions.............th ought I was the shit!  :(