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Title: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: DroppingPlates on June 07, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: PJim on June 07, 2015, 03:04:41 PM
Guy doesn't mince his words, fair play
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: chaos on June 07, 2015, 03:12:22 PM
So what he's saying is he's not capable or disciplined enough to do it. Cool.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
Here is the thing, Branch Warren has won the Arnold Classic as well, and not just once. And he is known for his distention. 
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Nether Animal on June 07, 2015, 03:20:07 PM
Here is the thing, Branch Warren has won the Arnold Classic as well, and not just once. And he is known for his distention. 

I thought it was just his crappy structure  ???
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Waller on June 07, 2015, 03:20:46 PM
I agreed with him at the beginning with the invitation bit. The rest was just denial.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Al Doggity on June 07, 2015, 03:21:17 PM
Arnold is only half the Olympia prize money now? I remember there was a rule that the prize money could only go up so high, so they gave a hummer and a rolex to the winner. Is that still the case?

He makes a decent point. Arnold's not just an internet nobody. He can influence the type of physique that wins shows.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: BigRo on June 07, 2015, 03:21:45 PM
Eh Phil you got distension belly goin on yourself bro, dexter got a turtle gut too. Arnold was not only commenting on distension anyway he was talking about the physique as a whole.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: THEBOSS on June 07, 2015, 04:29:50 PM
 ::) They all have guts including Dexter .
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Wiggs on June 07, 2015, 04:35:02 PM
Is Frank Sepe wearing a baseball cap or some sort of headgear?
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2015, 05:00:48 PM
So what he's saying is he's not capable or disciplined enough to do it. Cool.
Nah...I think he has a point. He puts all his effort into the Mr. O, plus his traveling to different expos, so there needs to be an incentive for him to ramp it up again for the Arnold Classic.
The only other Mr. O to do the Arnold was Ronnie. And when he did the GNC he was off and lost.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 07, 2015, 05:12:33 PM
Eh Phil you got distension belly goin on yourself bro, dexter got a turtle gut too. Arnold was not only commenting on distension anyway he was talking about the physique as a whole.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Nails on June 07, 2015, 05:12:54 PM
Phil is right, arnold presented branch twice with a trophy he should of done something about it starting in the late 90's
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2015, 05:32:56 PM

This industry needs a gut check.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Teutonic Knight on June 07, 2015, 05:38:00 PM


They should be on that 'Turtle man' TV  ;D
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 07, 2015, 06:08:46 PM
Bottom line is   don't expect Arnold to talk good about a particular Bodybuilder or the state of BB for that matter.


He has one plan and one plan only.





WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Nails on June 07, 2015, 06:19:07 PM
Bottom line is   don't expect Arnold to talk good about a particular Bodybuilder or the state of BB for that matter.


He has one plan and one plan only.





WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH




To stop armpit sweat???
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: wes on June 07, 2015, 06:23:47 PM
Here is the thing, Branch Warren has won the Arnold Classic as well, and not just once. And he is known to look like a complete and horrendous abomination. 
FIXED
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Dokey111 on June 07, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
 phil heth the least popular mr o of all time  :'(
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2015, 06:43:06 PM
Bottom line is   don't expect Arnold to talk good about a particular Bodybuilder or the state of BB for that matter.


He has one plan and one plan only.





WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH


Well, he had good things to say about Flex Wheeler.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Cableguy on June 07, 2015, 06:57:36 PM
Not one of these motherfuckers competing today could even pull off a vacuum pose. Not one. A lot of it isn't their fault, they're just following current protocol. Which sucks.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: che on June 07, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
Not one of these motherfuckers competing today could even pull off a vacuum pose. Not one. A lot of it isn't their fault, they're just following current protocol. Which sucks.


I can't pull off  a vacuum pose either and my waist is 28'' .
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: theTRASHMAN on June 07, 2015, 07:12:16 PM
philsulina is well spoken and very personable. 
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Royalty on June 07, 2015, 07:16:27 PM
One thing that I like about Arnold--- Unlike most of getbig, he doesn't root for a white guy; just because he is white

Arnold wants the best guy to win. Whether it's Dexter or Cedric ect...

And he speaks his mind. And I'm 100% sure that he would ban Branch Warren from competing in future ASC shows (if he had that power). Which he probably does.

I seriously think Branch Warren needs to be banned.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 07, 2015, 07:17:16 PM
Well, he had good things to say about Flex Wheeler.


Nah.... No matter how many Times Flex won the Arnold  .... Arnold always promoted and promotes the show with Arnold image. With one day seminar talking how he use to train in the winter back in Austria with hands frozen to the barbell and all "



EGO music...is all about me .

Barracuda mode till I die baby.






Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2015, 07:35:43 PM
One thing that I like about Arnold--- Unlike most of getbig, he doesn't root for a white guy; just because he is white

Arnold wants the best guy to win. Whether it's Dexter or Cedric ect...

And he speaks his mind. And I'm 100% sure that he would ban Branch Warren from competing in future ASC shows (if he had that power). Which he probably does.

I seriously think Branch Warren needs to be banned.
True. And there are few guys that if they got their ish together would put Phil to shame.

And again, how Branch even won the Arnold, not once, but twice is a mystery beyond any explanation.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: che on June 07, 2015, 07:49:59 PM
Bigger isn't always  better


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(http://i.imgur.com/omiJRfb.jpg)
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Nether Animal on June 07, 2015, 07:52:18 PM
Bigger isn't always  better

Wrong Phil timeline pic, now updated for 2015

Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: The Scott on June 07, 2015, 08:43:11 PM
True. And there are few guys that if they got their ish together would put Phil to shame.

And again, how Branch even won the Arnold, not once, but twice is a mystery beyond any explanation.
I would guess that the judges are all schmoes and the winner is decided according to their prurient mindset based solely (or soullessly) on their taste in wang/balloon knot/striated buttocks and the like,  regardless of whether or not the person gives in to their deviancy.  The judges suck both literally and figuratively.

Arnold needs to fire 'em and hire Zane, Paris and others with class or abandon the wasteland of bodybuilding altogether and speak out publicly  against what it has become .   If he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to do that, then to hades with the Oak.

Oh and to hell with Phil.  He's a drug addled piglet of a midget.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: The Ugly on June 07, 2015, 09:25:37 PM
Here is the thing, Branch Warren has won the Arnold Classic as well, and not just once. And he is known for his distention. 

He might be distended, but at least he's squatty.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Eric2 on June 07, 2015, 09:40:13 PM
He does make good points. Arnold is mostly only concerned with his bottom line, nothing else.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: kyomu on June 07, 2015, 10:58:06 PM
Wrong Phil timeline pic, now updated for 2015


The sad thing is that it doesnt look like joke.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: local hero on June 07, 2015, 11:31:49 PM
Not one of these motherfuckers competing today could even pull off a vacuum pose. Not one. A lot of it isn't their fault, they're just following current protocol. Which sucks.



Who the fuck wants to hit vacuum shots anyway, that looks never appealed to me... I actualy think it looks shit in double bicep poses
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: DroppingPlates on June 07, 2015, 11:38:33 PM

Who the fuck wants to hit vacuum shots anyway, that looks never appealed to me... I actualy think it looks shit in double bicep poses

I see this 'pose' rather as a circus trick.
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Bevo on June 08, 2015, 12:25:01 AM
I thought it was just his crappy structure  ???

This looks like a crappy structure?? ???

Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: hench on June 08, 2015, 01:58:21 AM
should have stayed this size and honed what he had.

This looks like a crappy structure?? ???


Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: DroppingPlates on June 08, 2015, 03:00:09 AM
should have stayed this size and honed what he had.


True, but it was also his training style that fucked things up. He tore almost any muscle/joint in his body..
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: falco on June 08, 2015, 03:46:18 AM
Funny how Phil assumes he would win the Arnold and WILL win the Olympia again and again, when he says the prize money of the O dobles the Arnold. Fixed mr.O of peace.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: forillagorilla on June 08, 2015, 05:05:57 AM
He does make good points. Arnold is mostly only concerned with his bottom line, nothing else.

Arnold SHOULD only be concerned with the bottom line. He is a businessman. Phil will never be 1/1000th as successful as Arn
Title: Re: Phil Heat about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Ronnie Rep on June 08, 2015, 05:11:44 AM
Here is the thing, Branch Warren has won the Arnold Classic as well, and not just once. And he is known for his distention. 
This, and most importantly his troll like physique.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 08, 2015, 07:57:15 AM
Funny how Phil assumes he would win the Arnold and WILL win the Olympia again and again, when he says the prize money of the O dobles the Arnold. Fixed mr.O of peace.
He is the champ, so he has to believe that he will win, he has to believe that he is BETTER than everybody else! Ronnie did as well, as well as Dorian, Lee Haney
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: SF1900 on June 08, 2015, 08:09:59 AM
He does make good points. Arnold is mostly only concerned with his bottom line, nothing else.

How much money do you actually think Arnold makes off of bodybuilding these days?  :-\ :-\ I assure you his movies make more for him than bodybuilding does these days.

Personally, I think Arnold was "speaking from the heart." Nothing he said was outlandish or untrue. We have all been saying the same thing for years. Its not like he is saying anything groundbreaking that has never been said, which will translate into millions of dollars for him. This problem (distended guts) has been around for quite some time and discussed extensively. Hes not saying anything that is sacred or unknown.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 08, 2015, 08:16:49 AM
How much money do you actually think Arnold makes off of bodybuilding these days?  :-\ :-\ I assure you his movies make more for him than bodybuilding does these days.

Personally, I think Arnold was "speaking from the heart." Nothing he said was outlandish or untrue. We have all been saying the same thing for years. Its not like he is saying anything groundbreaking that has never been said, which will translate into millions of dollars for him. This problem (distended guts) has been around for quite some time and discussed extensively. Hes not saying anything that is sacred or unknown.
Also another thing. Arnold doesn't want his name attached to a substandard product, especially when the product is his first love, bodybuilding. You could see his disgust when he interviewed Branch Warren when Branch won. It's pathetic. People used to laugh about the muscles and being "muscle bound", but now they have guts with the muscles. That makes no sense whatsoever.
It seems like Arnold should probably invite the MuscleMania guys to compete even though they are not IFBB pros.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: thegamechanger on June 08, 2015, 08:17:42 AM
"Arnold doesn't want his name attached to a substandard product"

whatabout his supplement line or movies
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 08, 2015, 08:30:12 AM
"Arnold doesn't want his name attached to a substandard product"

whatabout his supplement line or movies
What about them?
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Disgusted on June 08, 2015, 09:08:47 AM
Phil is missing the point. Arnold is NOT talking about just his show he was addressing bodybuilding as a whole. He said nothing about judging his show differently than the rest of the IFBB. That's totally ridiculous, you can't has  different judging standards for each show and Arnold obviously knows this.

You also can't have guys train for a show and 2 weeks out tell them they can't compete because they don't look good in photos.  ::) Also how would one know what a gut looks like in photos that would most likely be photo shopped anyway. Too many issues to even consider that.

Also, Dexter didn't win because his waist was small he won because he was the best conditioned guy up there among other things.  If Arnold didn't invite all the guys with guts he's only had physique guys at his show.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: SF1900 on June 08, 2015, 09:17:07 AM
Also another thing. Arnold doesn't want his name attached to a substandard product, especially when the product is his first love, bodybuilding. You could see his disgust when he interviewed Branch Warren when Branch won. It's pathetic. People used to laugh about the muscles and being "muscle bound", but now they have guts with the muscles. That makes no sense whatsoever.
It seems like Arnold should probably invite the MuscleMania guys to compete even though they are not IFBB pros.

Agreed.

I hardly think Arnold was saying to himself, "Oh, let me say how much I hate distended guts, so I can make millions of dollars."  ::) ::) I think hes worth close to 500 million or something. Arnold loves bodybuilding, and I can almost guarantee that he is disgusted as many of us are with the "sport" of bodybuilding. though, I really dont care, either way. Its fun watching a "train wreck."

And as I said above, its not like Arnold is saying anything new. Hell, people on GB and other forums have been talking about his problem for a LONG time!
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 08, 2015, 09:22:00 AM
Phil is missing the point. Arnold is NOT talking about just his show he was addressing bodybuilding as a whole. He said nothing about judging his show differently than the rest of the IFBB. That's totally ridiculous, you can't has  different judging standards for each show and Arnold obviously knows this.

You also can't have guys train for a show and 2 weeks out tell them they can't compete because they don't look good in photos.  ::) Also how would one know what a gut looks like in photos that would most likely be photo shopped anyway. Too many issues to even consider that.

Also, Dexter didn't win because his waist was small he won because he was the best conditioned guy up there among other things.  If Arnold didn't invite all the guys with guts he's only had physique guys at his show.
If you look at Arnold's show---especially during the 90s, the quality of the physiques in terms of muscle, size, and shape, was much better than at the Olympia. It almost was that the Arnold was judged differently than the other IFBB shows. And there was a time when it almost eclipsed the Mr. O, which is why they had this thing about the O should be the highest paying show, and that no other show can pay more, because it was the epitome of shows. Which is why Arnold started giving away Hummers and a Rolex to get around that. He said that  that the top guys would get 1 million dollars for winning a show. But, he cannot give that away at his show. Also, it was really the O winners that helped with the gut thing, as well as Momo.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Disgusted on June 08, 2015, 09:29:23 AM
If you look at Arnold's show---especially during the 90s, the quality of the physiques in terms of muscle, size, and shape, was much better than at the Olympia. It almost was that the Arnold was judged differently than the other IFBB shows. And there was a time when it almost eclipsed the Mr. O, which is why they had this thing about the O should be the highest paying show, and that no other show can pay more, because it was the epitome of shows. Which is why Arnold started giving away Hummers and a Rolex to get around that. He said that  that the top guys would get 1 million dollars for winning a show. But, he cannot give that away at his show. Also, it was really the O winners that helped with the gut thing, as well as Momo.


The guys from the 90's were a whole different ball game when it came to gut distention. You had a ton a talent that came to the Arnold save for a couple that always opted to enter just the Olympia. There is no where near the genetic freaks today compared to the 90's when just mostly roids GH was mainly used. If these guys today had to rely just on anabolics they wouldn't have even turned pro.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Parker on June 08, 2015, 09:30:38 AM

The guys from the 90's were a whole different ball game when it came to gut distention. You had a ton a talent that came to the Arnold save for a couple that always opted to enter just the Olympia. There is no where near the genetic freaks today compared to the 90's when just mostly roids GH was mainly used. If these guys today had to rely just on anabolics they wouldn't have even turned pro.
true, true.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: njflex on June 08, 2015, 09:38:09 AM

The guys from the 90's were a whole different ball game when it came to gut distention. You had a ton a talent that came to the Arnold save for a couple that always opted to enter just the Olympia. There is no where near the genetic freaks today compared to the 90's when just mostly roids GH was mainly used. If these guys today had to rely just on anabolics they wouldn't have even turned pro.
that's insane and that's what wrecked this thing...
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: Ronnie Rep on June 08, 2015, 10:12:20 AM

The guys from the 90's were a whole different ball game when it came to gut distention. You had a ton a talent that came to the Arnold save for a couple that always opted to enter just the Olympia. There is no where near the genetic freaks today compared to the 90's when just mostly roids GH was mainly used. If these guys today had to rely just on anabolics they wouldn't have even turned pro.
Amen, imagine Branch Warren standing next to the top 10 at the 98 or 99 NOC, Arnold or Olympia.
Title: Re: Phil Heath about Arnold Schwarzenegger's views on judging criteria
Post by: hench on June 08, 2015, 10:43:57 AM
Good points raised in this thread, yea Arnold's clearly disgusted with the guts etc but that's nothing new.
As mentioned, going by photos like heath said is a shit idea no one will send in a legit pic