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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ky-shoots-kills-man-attacked-flag-pole-article-1.2258116
LOUISVILLE, Ky. — A store surveillance video obtained by a Kentucky television station shows a man violently swinging a flagpole at a Louisville Metro Police officer before police say the officer fatally shot him.
Police said the officer responded to an assault call Saturday in Old Louisville, a neighborhood near downtown Louisville. The video WHAS-TV said it got from a nearby smoke shop shows the officer talking briefly with the man, who seems to become agitated and walks away from the officer.
The coroner's office on Sunday identified the man as 35-year-old Deng Manyoun, according to the TV station.
Police Chief Steve Conrad said at a news conference on Sunday that he couldn't provide the name of the man killed, but identified the officer as Nathan Blanford, a 10-year veteran. Blanford has been placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of an inquiry by the Police Department's Public Integrity Unit.
The video, which was broken down into segments, shows the officer take a few steps forward, pull his gun and appear to call for backup before the man advances toward him swinging the flag pole. At one point the flag pole breaks.
The video shows the officer pointing his gun at the man, but doesn't show him firing.
Police said the officer fired two shots in self-defense.
Conrad told reporters at the news conference that he believes the officer felt his life was in danger, which gave him the option to use deadly force under department policy.
"I don't think the officer had an opportunity to transition to a less lethal option," Conrad said.
Manyoun was taken by ambulance to the University of Louisville Hospital, where he later died.
Kenneth Williams said on the WHAS report that he witnessed the shooting and believes the use of deadly force was unnecessary.
"He could have maced him," Williams said in the video. "He could have used his stun gun."
Witnesses said Manyoun seemed intoxicated. He appeared to stumble when the officer was talking to him in the video.
Manyoun's arrest record shows a number of alcohol-related offenses dating back to 2008, WHAS reports. Before Saturday, Manyoun was arrested on June 2 for disorderly conduct, but released the following day.
The shooting has stirred emotions in the community, where neighbors said the man was known to residents. The Courier-Journal in Louisville reported that local activists planned a meeting Sunday to discuss the shooting.
Nick Holiday told The Associated Press on Saturday that he knew the man well and that he lived in an apartment building not far from the shooting site. Holiday, and others who had gathered at the intersection Saturday evening, questioned why the officer resorted to deadly force when faced with a flagpole, rather than use a Taser or other non-lethal means. They called for a quick and transparent investigation.
The 22-year-old woman who was assaulted was treated for her injuries at a hospital and released. Police did not disclose the nature of any relationship between her and the man.
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Had it coming. Looked like the cop
Actually waited too long to shoot.
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Had it coming. Looked like the cop
Actually waited too long to shoot.
We need 240 here. Can't wait to here is input. 240 has the keen ability to judge the exact distance between officer and citizen and whether or not the cop was justified in using deadly force. 240 will make all things clear.
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Good shoot. You attack a cop he has a right to defend himself.
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We need 240 here. Can't wait to here is input. 240 has the keen ability to judge the exact distance between officer and citizen and whether or not the cop was justified in using deadly force. 240 will make all things clear.
Got my popcorn ready
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We need 240 here. Can't wait to here is input. 240 has the keen ability to judge the exact distance between officer and citizen and whether or not the cop was justified in using deadly force. 240 will make all things clear.
Hebrew was clearly using the an deadly Kenyan martial art known as uru-flagtoface-o.
Deady force justified !!
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Deserved what he got, almost tempted to call it suicide by cop. Any one that condones a man trying to whack a person with a heavy hardwood stick is dummy, pure and simple.
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I understand there is a gulf between how Americans and British view self defence, to me that seems just ridiculous. He could have been easily dealt with without killing him.
I know I know you shouldn't attack an officer, but I don't think officers should be so fucking quick to start shooting people.
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I understand there is a gulf between how Americans and British view self defence, to me that seems just ridiculous. He could have been easily dealt with without killing him.
I know I know you shouldn't attack an officer, but I don't think officers should be so fucking quick to start shooting people.
It easy for you to say that after-the-fact , once you're in that situation you're forced to react. The black guy put himself in a situation where the cop felt his safety was in danger. It all could have been avoided if the brother complied , went to jail for being a drunk , he chose his path.
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Deserved what he got, almost tempted to call it suicide by cop. Any one that condones a man trying to whack a person with a heavy hardwood stick is dummy, pure and simple.
I don't think suicide by cop. Reports state he was high on something. You dont make rational decisions when you're high :-\ :-\
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dont bring a flag pole to a gun fight.
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dont bring a flag pole to a gun fight.
:D ;D
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It easy for you to say that after-the-fact , once you're in that situation you're forced to react. The black guy put himself in a situation where the cop felt his safety was in danger. It all could have been avoided if the brother complied , went to jail for being a drunk , he chose his path.
Yeah it's easy to say, I've been in that situation (length of wood not a flagpole) and I didn't think 'shit I need a gun'.
The guy put himself in the situation yes, but it's the job of the police to PROTECT and serve. I think the officer should have protected that guy from himself, he obviously wasn't straight.
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One more death penalty. Lynch law of peace.
Honestly, things gotta out of control a bit. If you shoot, at least shoot at lower body.
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Honestly, How much more until it becomes, A Muslim terrorist tries to detonate a bomb but was shot and killed by cops, cops being investigated for using excessive force, maybe they could have "reasoned" with the terrorist.
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It easy for you to say that after-the-fact , once you're in that situation you're forced to react. The black guy put himself in a situation where the cop felt his safety was in danger. It all could have been avoided if the brother complied , went to jail for being a drunk , he chose his path.
ND, you could have stopped the criminal by producing massive amount of pictures of bodybuilders from the internet. As the criminal attacked you with the flagpole, you could have whipped out a few bodybuilding pictures. Once he is distracted, you could have used a leg sweep to take him down.
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ND, you could have stopped the criminal by producing massive amount of pictures of bodybuilders from the internet. As the criminal attacked you with the flagpole, you could have whipped out a few bodybuilding pictures. Once he is distracted, you could have used a leg sweep to take him down.
I would have threw my scanner at his head and thus ended the threat.
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Cop tried to back up, natural selection right there
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Yeah it's easy to say, I've been in that situation (length of wood not a flagpole) and I didn't think 'shit I need a gun'.
The guy put himself in the situation yes, but it's the job of the police to PROTECT and serve. I think the officer should have protected that guy from himself, he obviously wasn't straight.
The cop has a right to PROTECT himself. The guy didn't care about the cops safety why should the cop care about his? And that " protect & serve " is nonsense , the supreme court already said the cops have no duty to do either. That's PR for the community it's a nice slogan , a marketing ploy.
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Yeah it's easy to say, I've been in that situation (length of wood not a flagpole) and I didn't think 'shit I need a gun'.
The guy put himself in the situation yes, but it's the job of the police to PROTECT and serve. I think the officer should have protected that guy from himself, he obviously wasn't straight.
Thing is, taking a few whacks on the head so you don't hurt the attacker is not a very well thought out plan. If the guy is crazy enough to attack the cop, if he is able to disable the cop with the pole he then has access to about 45 rounds of ammunition and a gun. How do you propose the officer was supposed to protect the guy from himself in that situation?
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One more death penalty. Lynch law of peace.
Honestly, things gotta out of control a bit. If you shoot, at least shoot at lower body.
sounds pretty easy right?
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The cop has a right to PROTECT himself. The guy didn't care about the cops safety why should the cop care about his? And that " protect & serve " is nonsense , the supreme court already said the cops have no duty to do either. That's PR for the community it's a nice slogan , a marketing ploy.
There are a lot of ways he could have protected himself that didn't result in killing the guy.
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The cop has a right to PROTECT himself. The guy didn't care about the cops safety why should the cop care about his? And that " protect & serve " is nonsense , the supreme court already said the cops have no duty to do either. That's PR for the community it's a nice slogan , a marketing ploy.
That Supreme Court ruling is probably one of the most misunderstood rulings to date.
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dont bring a flag pole to a gun fight.
maybe he thought it was a bodybuilding fight....in which case you most certainly would wanna being your "flag" pole. Full mast.
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I understand there is a gulf between how Americans and British view self defence, to me that seems just ridiculous. He could have been easily dealt with without killing him.
I know I know you shouldn't attack an officer, but I don't think officers should be so fucking quick to start shooting people.
How would you have handled that exact situation?
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Haha! Dead drunk of peace. ::)
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We need 240 here. Can't wait to here is input. 240 has the keen ability to judge the exact distance between officer and citizen and whether or not the cop was justified in using deadly force. 240 will make all things clear.
Except for the fact that he is always wrong.
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Thing is, taking a few whacks on the head so you don't hurt the attacker is not a very well thought out plan. If the guy is crazy enough to attack the cop, if he is able to disable the cop with the pole he then has access to about 45 rounds of ammunition and a gun. How do you propose the officer was supposed to protect the guy from himself in that situation?
Well, don't take a few whacks on the head then.
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There are a lot of ways he could have protected himself that didn't result in killing the guy.
1. Heat Vision
2. Lantern Ring
3. Bow and Arrow
4. Kung Fu move
5. Invisible Shield
6. Fire ball
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1. Heat Vision
2. Lantern Ring
3. Bow and Arrow
4. Kung Fu move
5. Invisible Shield
6. Fire ball
7. Wrist wrestling
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There are a lot of ways he could have protected himself that didn't result in killing the guy.
And there are a lot of ways the black guy could have acted as well. Let's talk about what happened , not what could have happened , what should have happened , what might have happened.
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How would you have handled that exact situation?
Step in, deal with him. Corkscrew uppercut? :D
If needed you take a hit to the hand or arm, better than the head. Once you're in that pole is useless and his hands are occupied.
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We could "He shoulda" all day.. he picked the right choice given the time he had to make a decision and react. Taser would have been a poor choice. If one probe doesn't connect you're holding a plastic toy gun. Pepper spray might have worked, might not have.. people high on substances don't always react. Nah, appropriate choice given the circumstances.
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Step in, deal with him. Corkscrew uppercut? :D
If needed you take a hit to the hand or arm, better than the head. Once you're in that pole is useless and his hands are occupied.
Now I'm wondering if you're trolling..
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Step in, deal with him. Corkscrew uppercut? :D
If needed you take a hit to the hand or arm, better than the head. Once you're in that pole is useless and his hands are occupied.
So cops need to "just take the hit" every time someone charges with them with a club?
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So cops need to "just take the hit" every time someone charges with them with a club?
Sadly, it's getting to the point that is expected these days
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So cops need to "just take the hit" every time someone charges with them with a club?
Nobody said that. This was one out of shape drugged up/pissed guy flailing a stupid pole.
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sounds pretty easy right?
Don't tell me it's that hard.
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Step in, deal with him. Corkscrew uppercut? :D
If needed you take a hit to the hand or arm, better than the head. Once you're in that pole is useless and his hands are occupied.
are we still talking about fighting?? The end of your post sounds like it needs to include a grapefruit.
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Since I am a getbigger, I would have put him in an armbar with my right arm, while subduing the flagpole with my left hand. Then, I would have used my right leg to collapse his right leg. Once that occurred, I would have used my other leg to pin his left leg, while bringing him gently to the ground. I would have made a citizens arrest until the police showed up.
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Not really sure how this is breaking news? ???
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are we still talking about fighting?? The end of your post sounds like it needs to include a grapefruit.
Well... I am a bodybuilder.
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Don't tell me it's that hard.
I'll tell you it's stupid for a couple reasons
1. A moving target in a high stress situation is already difficult to hit
2. Hitting a leg doesn't guarantee it stops the threat
Center mass is the best choice in 99% of the cases because the odds are with the person moving, you are more likely to connect by aiming center mass. You may end up hitting an arm or leg but you have a better chance of scoring a hit and stopping the threat.
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Also, for the whole shoot him in the wing, leg, whatever extraneous part.... Notice that the guy is still up and around after being hit twice.
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Don't tell me it's that hard.
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/2071009-Why-shooting-to-wound-doesnt-make-sense-scientifically-legally-or-tactically/
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If police were epuipped with giant magnet, he could have disarmed the suspect peacefully
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If police were epuipped with giant magnet, he could have disarmed the suspect peacefully
Now we're getting somewhere.
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So no more Wiggz :'( :'( :'(
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If police were epuipped with giant magnet, he could have disarmed the suspect peacefully
I think that pole was aluminum lol so that's a no go
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honestly, there really isn't much of a difference at all. Firearms police in the UK shoot to kill. they are taught to aim at the centre of mass, and they have the right to self defense. if they have an honestly held belief that their life was in danger, then they shoot. and they don't shoot for limbs or any of that shit because they'll miss and probably shoot some ginger kid in the face.
if you've given a verbal warning and they haven't stopped, then you do what you are trained to do and shoot the c**t. Of course you could look at it from the point of view that yes maybe he could of stripped off down to his tap out vest and choked the drunk guy out...but it's not very realistic or professional. they guy could have a knife, or aids....or both! When some nutcase is coming at you with a giant pole and he's clearly mental, you're not reasoning with him, better off just to shoot him.
This kind of logic is not welcome here..
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Seems that a part of USA society doesnt understand that you can't attack cops. ::)
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honestly, there really isn't much of a difference at all. Firearms police in the UK shoot to kill. they are taught to aim at the centre of mass, and they have the right to self defense. if they have an honestly held belief that their life was in danger, then they shoot. and they don't shoot for limbs or any of that shit because they'll miss and probably shoot some ginger kid in the face.
if you've given a verbal warning and they haven't stopped, then you do what you are trained to do and shoot the c**t. Of course you could look at it from the point of view that yes maybe he could of stripped off down to his tap out vest and choked the drunk guy out...but it's not very realistic or professional. they guy could have a knife, or aids....or both! When some nutcase is coming at you with a giant pole and he's clearly mental, you're not reasoning with him, better off just to shoot him.
The difference is firearms police are a minority over here. And are a specialist response when called. If you're dealing with them it's because they have been called for to deal with you (unless you're in an airport or something).
Attack a copper over here and you'll likely get nicked and hurt. But not shot.
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We could "He shoulda" all day.. he picked the right choice given the time he had to make a decision and react. Taser would have been a poor choice. If one probe doesn't connect you're holding a plastic toy gun. Pepper spray might have worked, might not have.. people high on substances don't always react. Nah, appropriate choice given the circumstances.
I've seen guys high on drugs have zero reaction to pepper spray. My cop buddy said he's seen guys take multiple tazers and peppers sprays without giving up.
He shoulda gave him an indian sunburn until he cried "uncle". ::)
As far as i'm concerned, he did society a favor.
8)
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yeah for sure, that is a difference. over here most likely he would have got tazered at best, then given a cup of tea and a cheque for 50,000 pounds, but that's a whole different argument on whether or not more officers should be armed, as well as a big difference on the levels of violence and gun crime on our streets compared to there's etc. But the inherent right of an armed officer, as well as the course of action they take is the same.
Serious? I'm gonna go slap me a copper :D
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http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/2071009-Why-shooting-to-wound-doesnt-make-sense-scientifically-legally-or-tactically/
Ok, now I know that there is no non-lethal methods of apprehending wasted hobo armed with a flagpole.
Jokes aside, good read, point taken.
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We need 240 here. Can't wait to here is input. 240 has the keen ability to judge the exact distance between officer and citizen and whether or not the cop was justified in using deadly force. 240 will make all things clear.
:)
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I hate cops, but if one tells me to do something, I do it. These brews never learn.
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That brew was on the cop very quickly. He really didn't even have time to holster his gun and go for a tazer or pepper spray if he had wanted to.
He did the same thing almost anyone in his situation would have done. Anyone that wanted to keep from getting pounded on the head with a pole by a drugged up criminal that is.
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That brew was on the cop very quickly. He really didn't even have time to holster his gun and go for a tazer or pepper spray if he had wanted to.
Most people don't get it. Anyone who has been in a real "fight or flight" physical situation knows this shit happens so quickly that the cops mainly rely on reflexes/training. They don't get to pause and think about everything.
It happens in seconds. How many of us can make a life or death choice in a few seconds of mayhem?
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The guy had it coming.
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The guy had it coming.
x2
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I would think anyone will have the right to do the same thing when faced with the same exact situation
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240 still absent....
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Is that a real Nag or one of those Spokane ghost Nags?
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Had it coming. Looked like the cop
Actually waited too long to shoot.
this. Personally, I attempt to flee a bit more, but I understand the cop has that duty to stand ground and stop the threat to society. And that pole could do some damage. So yes, looks to be a perfectly legal shoot. Suicide by pole.
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From a new article:
What is up for debate — among police and the public in Kentucky — is whether the officer’s split-second decision to respond by firing two bullets into the 35-year-old was justified.
But a man who says he was a witness at the scene disagrees.
“He was drunk,” Kenneth Williams, a witness, told ABC affiliate WHAS. “The officer could have maced him. He could have used his stun gun. He didn’t have to shoot that man. He wasn’t no threat.”
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From a new article:
What is up for debate — among police and the public in Kentucky — is whether the officer’s split-second decision to respond by firing two bullets into the 35-year-old was justified.
But a man who says he was a witness at the scene disagrees.
“He was drunk,” Kenneth Williams, a witness, told ABC affiliate WHAS. “The officer could have maced him. He could have used his stun gun. He didn’t have to shoot that man. He wasn’t no threat.”
Drunk dude attacked the cop with a weapon, though. "Witnesses" don't always make good analysts.
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Drunk dude attacked the cop with a weapon, though. "Witnesses" don't always make good analysts.
I would have shot him in both kneecaps, then put him in a leg lock, then arrested him.
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Deng Manyoun
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Deng Manyoun
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Martyr.
Died waving the flagpole of the country he loved.
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Deng Manyoun
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A guy that rushes in trying to kill you, you don't shoot at lower body, you shoot to stop him.
If you shoot lower body you give him the chance to pull a knife or a gun or something else you don't know about.
Once you shoot, it should be the most high percentage shot you can get, which is upper body, and that also stops most people from doing anything.
One more death penalty. Lynch law of peace.
Honestly, things gotta out of control a bit. If you shoot, at least shoot at lower body.
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A guy that rushes in trying to kill you, you don't shoot at lower body, you shoot to stop him.
If you shoot lower body you give him the chance to pull a knife or a gun or something else you don't know about.
Once you shoot, it should be the most high percentage shot you can get, which is upper body, and that also stops most people from doing anything.
Yeah, yeah, I got it. There is absolutely no way to stop drunken hobo with a flagpole, except killing him.
Every second is a lethal risk. Keep off the mind he can't walk straight, he is legal threat to the cop, society and country.
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As a french cop, if i do that in France, i'll go to jail.
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I'm the law. :D
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Yeah, yeah, I got it. There is absolutely no way to stop drunken hobo with a flagpole, except killing him.
Every second is a lethal risk. Keep off the mind he can't walk straight, he is legal threat to the cop, society and country.
If Nags don't want to get shot, they should stop attacking the police.
Can't seem to beat any sense into those thick, empty skulls.
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Deng Manyoun
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Looks like a fine citizen who was a pillar of the community.
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As a french cop, if i do that in France, i'll go to jail.
Well, French cops really shouldn't be attacking other French cops with flagpoles. You'd deserve jail, no?
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Well, French cops really shouldn't be attacking other French cops with flagpoles. You'd deserve jail, no?
:D
A lot of betas in this thread "a guys hitting me with a pole. I hope he stops, there's a gossip girl marathon on the tele tonight"
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maybe he thought it was a bodybuilding fight....in which case you most certainly would wanna being your "flag" pole. Full mast.
I suspect he just watched this show?
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surely the rules of engagement are the same for the frogs? also, has anything happened since charlie hebdo? as in, has anything been suggested regarding your firearm's policies etc?
Pfft, they're already back to blaming Islamophobes.
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surely the rules of engagement are the same for the frogs? also, has anything happened since charlie hebdo? as in, has anything been suggested regarding your firearm's policies etc?
Not sure what policy you're talking about, but the general policy is rhat you have the right to use deadly force if you reasonably fear for your life. All these hardcore getbiggers who are trying disabled the 'brew with. Judo flip and a Spock pinch are going to be walking around with a pole in their face.
Fact!
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lol, at least they're not blaming the UK for once.
Yeah i agree ;D. I'd have shot the guy based off his mugshot alone. Regarding policies, what's the current firearms law's? do all of you carry a handgun or is it only specific firearms officers like in UK. I heard a lot of debating online, mainly from the yanks, arguing about the need to arm officers with heavier firepower. was wondering if you had any sort of debates like that going on over there too?
In USA, every adult has the right to own a gun. There are some exceptions for felons, mental cases, etc. different states have different laws about who can carry those guns in public. I'm in California, so here if you want to carry a consealed firearm, you just need to get a permit (usually from the local sheriff). It's time consuming but easy to do.
As far as I know all police agencies In USA are fully armed. Each officer has a handgun (or two) and each pTeol car will usually have a shotgun and/or rifle in it.
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aah, i thought you were in France! apologies......just realised what a massive fucking idiot i am. i meant to ask the guy who said he was a french cop! ;D ;D
That's Jon cole. I'm much better looking :)
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As a french cop, if i do that in France, i'll go to jail.
what? Charge at a cop with a pole? You certainly should
If you mean, shoot a man coming at you with a metal pole... then you need to leave France or find a different occupation my friend
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There is a growing, deep resentment for the police in this country.
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People who come out against this cop shooting this Hebrew are fucked in the head. Any one of you Getbiggers could easily kill a person with one hit to the head with a metal pipe. Just imagine if the cop stood down or retreated and the hebrew swung the pipe at a woman or a kid that was walking by and killed them. Just shoot the dude and than find out his extended family and poison them all so none of them can breed.
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I just want to let all getbiggers know that I take a neutral stance on issues like this. I feel as though my job on this forum is to provide the news, then let getbiggers decide whether they see the incident in a negative, positive, or neutral stance. Just think of me as the Peter Jennings of getbig.
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I just want to let all getbiggers know that I take a neutral stance on issues like this. I feel as though my job on this forum is to provide the news, then let getbiggers decide whether they see the incident in a negative, positive, or neutral stance. Just think of me as the Peter Jennings of getbig.
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I think he may have been high on PCP.
Smoking "wet" is becoming increasingly popular again.
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I just want to let all getbiggers know that I take a neutral stance on issues like this. I feel as though my job on this forum is to provide the news, then let getbiggers decide whether they see the incident in a negative, positive, or neutral stance. Just think of me as the Peter Jennings of getbig.
I was thinking Brian Williams, but ok
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It's not like he was gonna be President of the United States of America or anything.