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Actually, 15 months, but that didn't rhyme. TRT levels, between 200-250 mg/week. Lost about 10 pounds of fat, put on about 15-20 of muscle.
Health wise, my blood pressure and resting heart rate went DOWN. My blood tests showed not a single deviation from the previous years.
Testosterone, is there anything it CAN'T do?
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TRT levels, between 200-250 mg/week. Lost about 10 pounds of fat, put on about 15-20 of muscle.
naah
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200-250 test/wk is not a trt level. trt level is more like 125-150 test/wk
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200-250 test/wk is not a trt level. trt level is more like 125-150 test/wk
Mostly true, but in our world it is!
Cruises now are often 500mg, lol...
edit: better title (and more truthful title) would have been "on gear for a year and i'M a hardcore queer"
;D
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200-250 test/wk is not a trt level. trt level is more like 125-150 test/wk
Luckily my TRT doc disagrees with you
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200-250 test/wk is not a trt level. trt level is more like 125-150 test/wk
125-150 shouldn't even really be trt level... Reality it should be around 100 and tapered down as you get older.. having 1396ng/dl as a 80 year old is not beneficial at all imo and the rest of the body can not handle that like it once could.. But i digress, THIS IS BODYBUILDING *Kicks man down hole*
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Actually, 15 months, but that didn't rhyme. TRT levels, between 200-250 mg/week. Lost about 10 pounds of fat, put on about 15-20 of muscle.
Health wise, my blood pressure and resting heart rate went DOWN. My blood tests showed not a single deviation from the previous years.
Testosterone, is there anything it CAN'T do?
Happy for you AJ. I'm considering the same right now and it's great to see that all your health markers are unchanged.
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125-150 shouldn't even really be trt level... Reality it should be around 100 and tapered down as you get older.. having 1396ng/dl as a 80 year old is not beneficial at all imo and the rest of the body can not handle that like it once could.. But i digress, THIS IS BODYBUILDING *Kicks man down hole*
theres no should, its different from person to person
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theres no should, its different from person to person
there is an 100% should because when levels are below 300 on avg for trt no dose should ever need to differ to get someone back to normal levels because now the artificial test is in control..The avg 3-900 people hold is now irrelevant because they're already in TRT range... The tapering down throughout old age should apply to everyone and if you don't believe me wait 20-30 years to get all of the lawsuits out of the way that are still taking place because of the risk factors associated and they will come up the fact that you don't need to be injecting 125mg/week when you're 80 and it's not natural or high-natural even for the average 80 year old...I'm just telling you before it happens it's factual
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not according to some top endos, different people metabolize and excrete testosterone at varying rates, requiring differing TRT protocols. I agree doses should taper as people get older but that does not mean everyone should be on the same amount.
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Where i live trt prescriptions are extremly rare. The protocol is a shot of 250mg of test E every 3 weeks.
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my doc has me on 200 x 10 days....I jab 300 every 10 days. When I run out I just stop by his shop and get 200 in shoulder until the script re-kicks. The greatness of small towns. ;D
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Where i live trt prescriptions are extremly rare. The protocol is a shot of 250mg of test E every 3 weeks.
You don't have to have your doctor be local...
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i guess my 2-300 week test and 3-400 deca a week is juicing ;D
IM 43 now3-been on 3 years-never looked better-but i should taper down the dosages when at 50? 60? lol
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i guess my 2-300 week test and 3-400 deca a week is juicing ;D
IM 43 now3-been on 3 years-never looked better-but i should taper down the dosages when at 50? 60? lol
I will be upping the doses to finish me off, lol...
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Actually, 15 months, but that didn't rhyme. TRT levels, between 200-250 mg/week. Lost about 10 pounds of fat, put on about 15-20 of muscle.
Health wise, my blood pressure and resting heart rate went DOWN. My blood tests showed not a single deviation from the previous years.
Testosterone, is there anything it CAN'T do?
any change of diet
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any change of diet
Not really. I eat high protein, medium/low carb and pretty clean year round. I eat a pizza with my son every Sunday, but I've been doing that for years. I maybe went up 50g/day in protein, but nothing major.
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These TRT doses are all over the place with you guys.
Here in South FL, TRT/HRT/Anti aging clinics are as thick as hair on a dogs back. They may charge different prices ($99-$249 per month), they may offer different optional services (ED, HGH, IR, etc..) but the protocol is 99% the same.
200mg of test weekly - either 200mg cyp, 200mg enan, 100 cyp / 100mg enan, 150mg cyp / 50 prop
2 tabs adex weekly
500ius x 2 weekly of HCG
No matter your age, weight, height, race, yo momma's name, etc... it is pretty much a cut and dried formula. They do take records and make you have twice annual blood tests to be legit and keep their ducks in a row. But other than that, nothing on the program changes. It's one of the "better" programs I have seen compared to the dose and frequency other guys say they are on. This is why you get a LOT of out of town patients to come down, open a mailbox up at the Mailbox store, see the doctor and then have their mail forwarded back to their home out of state.
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Actually, 15 months, but that didn't rhyme. TRT levels, between 200-250 mg/week. Lost about 10 pounds of fat, put on about 15-20 of muscle.
Health wise, my blood pressure and resting heart rate went DOWN. My blood tests showed not a single deviation from the previous years.
Testosterone, is there anything it CAN'T do?
hey Aj...will you stay on for life now do you think?
I would like to come off and restore my natural production.
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These TRT doses are all over the place with you guys.
Here in South FL, TRT/HRT/Anti aging clinics are as thick as hair on a dogs back. They may charge different prices ($99-$249 per month), they may offer different optional services (ED, HGH, IR, etc..) but the protocol is 99% the same.
200mg of test weekly - either 200mg cyp, 200mg enan, 100 cyp / 100mg enan, 150mg cyp / 50 prop
2 tabs adex weekly
500ius x 2 weekly of HCG
No matter your age, weight, height, race, yo momma's name, etc... it is pretty much a cut and dried formula. They do take records and make you have twice annual blood tests to be legit and keep their ducks in a row. But other than that, nothing on the program changes. It's one of the "better" programs I have seen compared to the dose and frequency other guys say they are on. This is why you get a LOT of out of town patients to come down, open a mailbox up at the Mailbox store, see the doctor and then have their mail forwarded back to their home out of state.
shouldn't hcg be used intermintently
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shouldn't hcg be used intermintently
i think continous use is not as much of a problem as high doses
however there really is no point in running it nonstop imo
some people feel better with it though, since it affects thyroid hormones etc too
500iu twice a week is a bit too high imo but whatever
florida docs seem to be generous with the dosages :D
the adex is way more than necessary too
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What do you guys cruise on?
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hey Aj...will you stay on for life now do you think?
I would like to come off and restore my natural production.
Probably. My natural production was trending down precipitously in the last few years.
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What do you guys cruise on?
125mg of test E every 3 days
12,5mg of aromasin ED (split am/pm)
HCG and peptides are great additions if you can afford
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If you feel good with no sides keep it like that.
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125mg of test E every 3 days
12,5mg of aromasin ED (split am/pm)
HCG and peptides are great additions if you can afford
I was always concerned with prolactin regarding all of these peptides...I have a few secret peps i used tht many few other know about but i'm sure some have heard of...BUTTT when i have access to GH i do not need to use the others that i don't even use anyway...When people run pharm grade at high doses they start to realize how much of a hole they're burning in their pocket... i've noticed 300mg/cyp with 4iu GH when cruising can maintain ALL size YET not maintain the "look" of hardness and vascularity and dryness...
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Actually, 15 months, but that didn't rhyme. TRT levels, between 200-250 mg/week. Lost about 10 pounds of fat, put on about 15-20 of muscle.
Health wise, my blood pressure and resting heart rate went DOWN. My blood tests showed not a single deviation from the previous years.
Testosterone, is there anything it CAN'T do?
I'm 41 years old and want to follow the same protocol. Did you inject once a week for stable blood levels? Did you use arimidex or aromasin?
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I was always concerned with prolactin regarding all of these peptides...I have a few secret peps i used tht many few other know about but i'm sure some have heard of...BUTTT when i have access to GH i do not need to use the others that i don't even use anyway...When people run pharm grade at high doses they start to realize how much of a hole they're burning in their pocket... i've noticed 300mg/cyp with 4iu GH when cruising can maintain ALL size YET not maintain the "look" of hardness and vascularity and dryness...
I dont think peps will raise prolacting much except for GHRP6 which is kinda outdated anyway...
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shouldn't hcg be used intermintently
The main purpose is just to keep the balls plump. Nothing else. The actual levels will still only be 0-1 while on it. This is for the "average" user who hasn't used AAS before and will panic when they shrink up. Some, like myself, never have any problems with shrinkage.
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not according to some top endos, different people metabolize and excrete testosterone at varying rates, requiring differing TRT protocols. I agree doses should taper as people get older but that does not mean everyone should be on the same amount.
Two of the top (Gordon and crisler) seem to be lowering doses nowadays (60 to 80mg a week) and shooting more often in order to avoid ai's, etc.
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I'm 41 years old and want to follow the same protocol. Did you inject once a week for stable blood levels? Did you use arimidex or aromasin?
50 Years old. Yes, once a week IM glute. My estro was high-normal, so I have been taking about 10 mg aromisin (exemestane) E2D/E3D depending on how I feel.
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Two of the top (Gordon and crisler) seem to be lowering doses nowadays (60 to 80mg a week) and shooting more often in order to avoid ai's, etc.
How often do they recommend their patients to inject? I'm guessing they're still sticking with Enanthate or Cypionate?
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How often do they recommend their patients to inject? I'm guessing they're still sticking with Enanthate or Cypionate?
From what I've read it is twice a week as the majority of the population isn't going to want to do more due to inconvenience, etc.
I am just giving info from what I've read as have never been a patient of either just as an FYI.
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How often do they recommend their patients to inject? I'm guessing they're still sticking with Enanthate or Cypionate?
Once a week. Cyp mostly, Enan on occassion or Cyp/Prop combo.
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50 Years old. Yes, once a week IM glute. My estro was high-normal, so I have been taking about 10 mg aromisin (exemestane) E2D/E3D depending on how I feel.
Wish the docs would get on the aromasin boat ASAP. It's much better than adex.
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AJ, are you still sticking to same protocol(250mgs of Test a week)? If so, how is everything going? I ask because at 41 years old married with kids, I'm VERY interested in trying the same thing. Anything I need to look out for?
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Here's why I cycle, test is fantastic but I am mainly concerned about:
Hair loss
Reducing HDL
Prostate cancer
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125-150 shouldn't even really be trt level... Reality it should be around 100 and tapered down as you get older.. having 1396ng/dl as a 80 year old is not beneficial at all imo and the rest of the body can not handle that like it once could.. But i digress, THIS IS BODYBUILDING *Kicks man down hole*
I get your point, but look at it this way: what if we decline with age because our test levels drop, instead of the reverse? Then it would make sense to keep it high(er). Perhaps not high-normal for a 16-y.o. boy, but high-normal for a healthy 40-y.o.
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I get your point, but look at it this way: what if we decline with age because our test levels drop, instead of the reverse? Then it would make sense to keep it high(er). Perhaps not high-normal for a 16-y.o. boy, but high-normal for a healthy 40-y.o.
We don't decline because our test levels drop. The body drops the test levels to something your CNS can handle. This is why in your bloodwork your levels become more elevated like LDL and hemocrit when your older and cycle and barely budge when you're younger and cycle...There are no flaws with the human body's process to that degree..Human body is an amazing thing...It knows what we need...test levels of 1300 are fine for a 40 year old because some (not alot) active, healthy 40 year olds naturally are still in the 700-800's so there isn't a huge difference...But when we're talking 70's and it's 1300...The ratio is even father...A 70 year old would be lucky to have 450-500...Even lower realistically...Much lower...This is not a small enough ratio for someone that age to compensate for...Yes maybe if you gave them 20 year old organs, GH treatment and gave them the body to compensate for it..But we're not there yet..nothing about 150mg test is good for a 80 year old...There are 70 year olds that lift that cycle that i'm aware of...They're at greater risks by statists to have a heart attack cycling...But just because they have a higher risk does not mean it will happen..
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We don't decline because our test levels drop. The body drops the test levels to something your CNS can handle. This is why in your bloodwork your levels become more elevated like LDL and hemocrit when your older and cycle and barely budge when you're younger and cycle...There are no flaws with the human body's process to that degree..Human body is an amazing thing...It knows what we need...test levels of 1300 are fine for a 40 year old because some (not alot) active, healthy 40 year olds naturally are still in the 700-800's so there isn't a huge difference...But when we're talking 70's and it's 1300...The ratio is even father...A 70 year old would be lucky to have 450-500...Even lower realistically...Much lower...This is not a small enough ratio for someone that age to compensate for...Yes maybe if you gave them 20 year old organs, GH treatment and gave them the body to compensate for it..But we're not there yet..nothing about 150mg test is good for a 80 year old...There are 70 year olds that lift that cycle that i'm aware of...They're at greater risks by statists to have a heart attack cycling...But just because they have a higher risk does not mean it will happen..
Hmmm... the fact that test levels can be increased during old age by dietary interventions and more exercise seem to point at the opposite. Will find the time to delve into this.
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Hmmm... the fact that test levels can be increased during old age by dietary interventions and more exercise seem to point at the opposite. Will find the time to delve into this.
Levels are lower now than ever...so an increase at 70-80 years old with diet and exercise will not have you in the 1100-1300 range you're thinking of lol...More like from extremely low T (nothing to do with lack of production it's shitty lifestyle)...to right out of low T range....This is not detrimental to the human body like the ratios i was talking before...And if you were to look at studies with actual numbers and effects of changing of lifestyles,, what i just explained is all you will find. Post some studies here when you venture into it because i'm certain i'm correct
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what did it do physique wise? do you have before and after pics?
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Levels are lower now than ever...so an increase at 70-80 years old with diet and exercise will not have you in the 1100-1300 range you're thinking of lol...More like from extremely low T (nothing to do with lack of production it's shitty lifestyle)...to right out of low T range....This is not detrimental to the human body like the ratios i was talking before...And if you were to look at studies with actual numbers and effects of changing of lifestyles,, what i just explained is all you will find. Post some studies here when you venture into it because i'm certain i'm correct
In your opinion what is the ideal test level to aim for with TRT? Around 600 or so?
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In your opinion what is the ideal test level to aim for with TRT? Around 600 or so?
Anything over 800 and under 1,500 is ideal up until you're 60... From then i'd say you would wanna be more in the 500-700 range till 70-75... Then ideally 350-500 is where you wanna be up until you die....May even require less when you're 85 etc..
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Anything over 800 and under 1,500 is ideal up until you're 60... From then i'd say you would wanna be more in the 500-700 range till 70-75... Then ideally 350-500 is where you wanna be up until you die....May even require less when you're 85 etc..
How about optimal TRT doses for HGH for longlivity (is it weight dependent)?
up to 60 years old;
70-75
Good info, always enjoy reading your posts.