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Cruz and Trump aren't giving up. These RINO idiots shouldn't either.
GOP lawmakers: Time to move on from Obamacare repeal
Republicans have tried to kill the health care law twice at the Supreme Court, only to be rebuffed. They’ve held more than 50 repeal votes, virtually all of which have died in the Senate. They tried to defund the law through the spending process, but the government shut down instead.
As Republicans process Thursday’s sharp rebuke at the hands of the Supreme Court, they’re struggling with what to do next — beset by internal divisions and procedural roadblocks that severely limit their options.
The reaction to the ruling ranged from defiance to resignation.
Many, like Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.), concede the law is here to stay until at least 2017, when they hope a GOP president will finally kill it. But conservatives like Texas Sen. Ted Cruz insist Congress should use “every single tool at our disposal” now to stop the law, including holding spending bills hostage to force President Barack Obama to acquiesce.
Bad idea, say other GOP lawmakers. “We’ve tried that before, and it didn’t work very well,” said Cruz’s fellow Texan, Sen. John Cornyn.
Still others, such as Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.), say it’s time to focus on fixing aspects of the existing law, rather than continuing a fruitless repeal effort.
“No, no,” responds Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.). “It needs to be repealed and replaced.”
The dissension has left some GOP lawmakers resigned and ready to move on.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky., second from left, speaks to reporters following the weekly Republican luncheon on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, June 16, 2015. Joining McConnell are, from left, Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., and Senate
“We’re going to have to go back to the drawing board, figure out if there
is an alternative at this point,” Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) said Thursday. “Perhaps it’s time to move on from this particular topic.”
The latest round of soul-searching came in the immediate aftermath of Thursday’s decision in King v. Burwell. In a 6-3 ruling, the high court upheld subsidies for 6.4 million people who receive health care coverage through the federal exchange. Had the Obama administration lost the case, Republicans planned to use the ruling as leverage to push through a range of legislative options to further erode key elements of the sweeping law.
With the law intact and the president’s veto pen in the way of any conservative attempts to weaken Obamacare, the GOP has few viable alternatives. They could try to use annual spending bills again to try to gut elements of the law, but that would risk a government shutdown. And Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has disavowed a strategy that could lead to a repeat of the 2013 closure, by virtually all accounts a debacle for the party.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/gop-lawmakers-time-to-move-on-from-obamacare-repeal-119439.html#ixzz3e8XJtdmf
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or in other words...."we've spent eight years wasting time in trying to appeal Obamacare and looked like idiots in the process..meanwhile Obama has eaten our lunch and kicked our asses during all this time....we give up...maybe Trump can save us"
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Nobody is voting for Trump........I guess advice from politico is a great place to start 240. They can outright repeal or just wait for it to crumble
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Trump is in a statistical dead heat tie with jeb, according to fox and brietbart.
Some repubs will vote for him. He's rich and crazy, a very dangerous combination in politics.
He can win. Not saying he will, but saying he could. Repub primary voters are that stupid, at least some of them are. I know several complete country folk that hate Obama and love trump with the same passion. They don't know Cruz or Christies names but they dang sure trust trump already.
He is that dangerous.
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Trump is in a statistical dead heat tie with jeb, according to fox and brietbart.
Some repubs will vote for him. He's rich and crazy, a very dangerous combination in politics.
He can win. Not saying he will, but saying he could. Repub primary voters are that stupid, at least some of them are. I know several complete country folk that hate Obama and love trump with the same passion. They don't know Cruz or Christies names but they dang sure trust trump already.
He is that dangerous.
you're right....Perot was rich and crazy too.....got 19% of the vote
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Trump is in a statistical dead heat tie with jeb, according to fox and brietbart.
Some repubs will vote for him. He's rich and crazy, a very dangerous combination in politics.
He can win. Not saying he will, but saying he could. Repub primary voters are that stupid, at least some of them are. I know several complete country folk that hate Obama and love trump with the same passion. They don't know Cruz or Christies names but they dang sure trust trump already.
He is that dangerous.
he's the bat$hit crazy version of Michele Bachmann; just has tons more money. he is just as entertaining.
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you're right....Perot was rich and crazy too.....got 19% of the vote
and perot was LEADING the polls when he quit due to photoshopped pics of his daughter or something. many people realized he was a flake then.
And that was before multimedia... trump can own every youtube ad view for the next 16 months if he really wants. Perot got 1/5 of the vote by shining in debates, with no major party support. Trump might have GOP backing (even if reluctantly).
And if it comes down to a messy convention, trump's personality and money will win it. If trump can take it that far (and I'm sure he implodes before then lol), it's tough to bet against him there.
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and perot was LEADING the polls when he quit due to photoshopped pics of his daughter or something. many people realized he was a flake then.
And that was before multimedia... trump can own every youtube ad view for the next 16 months if he really wants. Perot got 1/5 of the vote by shining in debates, with no major party support. Trump might have GOP backing (even if reluctantly).
And if it comes down to a messy convention, trump's personality and money will win it. If trump can take it that far (and I'm sure he implodes before then lol), it's tough to bet against him there.
Perot claimed he was told that the Bushes planned on sabatoging his daughter's upcoming wedding
by using dirty tricks to get back at him for running...whatever that meant....thus proving that he was indeed crazy since he actually believed this
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Perot claimed he was told that the Bushes planned on sabatoging his daughter's upcoming wedding
by using dirty tricks to get back at him for running...whatever that meant....thus proving that he was indeed crazy since he actually believed this
lol the same Bushes that planted that bullshit question about Mccain in 2008 to lose him the south?
yes, I think photoshop is definitely within the range of possibilities. Could have come from camp clinton too, who knows, or just the DNC or RNC in general.
perot was leading polls and could have won. Anyone doubting trump - the liberal troll paid millions by NBC to embarrass the repubs - should rethink. He can win.
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lol the same Bushes that planted that bullshit question about Mccain in 2008 to lose him the south?
yes, I think photoshop is definitely within the range of possibilities. Could have come from camp clinton too, who knows, or just the DNC or RNC in general.
perot was leading polls and could have won. Anyone doubting trump - the liberal troll paid millions by NBC to embarrass the repubs - should rethink. He can win.
Probably can't discount anyone. There's always a possibility, but I think the chances are still very slim.
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we're becoming a liberal nation.
Poll: 62% Approve of Supreme Court Ruling on Obamacare
A majority of Americans approve of the Supreme Court decision to continue allowing Affordable Care Act health insurance subsidies in all states, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll. The poll fo ... (NBC News)
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you're right....Perot was rich and crazy too.....got 19% of the vote
Perot was doing quite well until he started getting kooky. Trump is not perceive as crazy, as in nuts-so, like Perot was. Trump has been around for a long, long time and people know him and know what to expect. Even more so than Arnold which is why his scandals didn't hurt his run for Governor.
When Trump mouths off and even puts his foot in his mouth people just chuckle and say, "That's Trump being Trump." He doesn't care about political correctness or hurting people's feelings and people like that.
The more the establishment tries to portray Trump as a clown and side show the more people will be sympathetic to him.
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lol the same Bushes that planted that bullshit question about Mccain in 2008 to lose him the south?
yes, I think photoshop is definitely within the range of possibilities. Could have come from camp clinton too, who knows, or just the DNC or RNC in general.
perot was leading polls and could have won. Anyone doubting trump - the liberal troll paid millions by NBC to embarrass the repubs - should rethink. He can win.
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we're becoming a liberal nation.
Poll: 62% Approve of Supreme Court Ruling on Obamacare
A majority of Americans approve of the Supreme Court decision to continue allowing Affordable Care Act health insurance subsidies in all states, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll. The poll fo ... (NBC News)
It does seem pointless to mess with Obama care until we get a Republican in office.
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It does seem pointless to mess with Obama care until we get a Republican in office.
at this point, I dont even know if a repub in office could stop it. Insurance costs a ton, but people who never had it, suddenly have it. Taking it away? Yikes, it'd have to be on a voluntary basis. I think at this point, a repub could, at best, make an option for people to opt out or just remove the tax penalty for it?