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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Donny on June 29, 2015, 09:18:05 AM
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lot of talk on this recently and opinions. Me myself i think this guy in the video is great, knows what he is talking about. Barbell front press is superior..in my opinion.
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Standing military press with the olympic bar is king.
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Standing military press with the olympic bar is king.
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Even negates the need for a training partner, as once you burn out you can use your quads to throw up another few reps. Insane delt pumps if dbol is invited to the party an hour before training ;D
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Try these two variations, killer pump on both:
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Try these two variations, killer pump on both:
I do these sometimes with just the bar as a superset after presses until I can't take the burn anymore. A very nice movement.
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Try these two variations, killer pump on both:
2nd video i understand what you are saying. I did these too. you just clear your head and not too low. It does work very well but itīs too risky if you lower the bar too low. When fatigue sets in you tend to lose form. I am talking more about old school behind neck press going deep. the fact is behind the neck exercises put you in an unnatural plane.
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Try these two variations, killer pump on both:
The movement in the 2nd video is called, "The Bradford Press."
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The movement in the 2nd video is called, "The Bradford Press."
I know.
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Behind the neck press killed my elbows... dont do them any more
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Standing military press with the olympic bar is king.
Agree.
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Behind the neck press killed my elbows... dont do them any more
Oddly, I rehabilitated my rotator cuff tendonitis by using front military press. I just started with as much weight as I could without the slightest RC pain and continued to work up. I am back up to 165-175 where I was before.
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I know.
I wasn't telling you. I replied to "YAMCHA."
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I wasn't telling you. I replied to "YAMCHA."
Thanks. I didn't know what it was called, but I know it makes me cuss like a sailor when I use it as a finisher.
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Would love to be that Olympic bar :P
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Would love to be that Olympic bar :P
This just had to come... :D ;D
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Behind the neck press killed my elbows... dont do them any more
Also rotator cuff killers.
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behind the necks are always king....until your shoulder dislocates or the rotator tears.
stick with front presses.
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i like doing presses with a shrug bar. might be too awkward for some of you beasts who push big weights.
i did cybex machine shoulder press today and i think it put the hands to the side and not in front, doesnt feel all that good but i just did it as a finisher.
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Bit more on Bradford, the man -
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(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2013/10/10/Obituaries/Images/ob-main-bradford011381440610.jpg?uuid=J6ZOXDHzEeOtAOxMazHL7Q).
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rw/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2013/10/10/Obituaries/Images/ob-main-bradford021381440610.jpg).
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/IGH/IGH0603/IGH0603f.pdf .
As far as various presses, vastly prefer to the front. That being said, BTN was a bit more pleasant when I limited the depth to mid ear (or a 1/3 up from the bottom of the lobe) and took a mid grip. Helps to have a good rack to press out of to play with the spacing.
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I like the emphasis behind the neck place on the side delts but like said they are shoulder wreckers
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Been doing heavy behind the neck bb presses for many years, one of the most comfortable exercises for me, about 225lb currently for 7-8 deep reps, quite easy on a good day, yet I'm aware that many ppl cant even imagine this weight at this exercise. I guess I'm built for it, have always been quite flexible naturally.
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Been doing heavy behind the neck bb presses for many years, one of the most comfortable exercises for me, about 225lb currently for 7-8 deep reps, quite easy on a good day, yet I'm aware that many ppl cant even imagine this weight at this exercise. I guess I'm built for it, have always been quite flexible naturally.
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Yeah, most look at me in disbelief when I say this lol.. Not a big deal when you are gradually increasing strength on a certain exercise bit by bit for many many years and have no injuries on the way. I knew a guy who used to rep 260lbs, was a beast tho. I probably could do it too if would go on all that shit he was at that time.
EDIT: did that today, was not feeling well rested so it was 210lb with a slight assistance. 200lb is a warm up set for me, but additional 10-20lbs makes it heavy.
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Did a search on "225lbs behind the neck press" and found the results hilarious. People who see me doing that probably think I'm a fukkin freak haha.. It seems it's very uncommon for someone to go above 180lb for reps (deep reps, mind you, not these fukkin 3/4 rom). Give me 5-10 another injury free years and I will be on O'hearn level.
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Been doing heavy behind the neck bb presses for many years, one of the most comfortable exercises for me, about 225lb currently for 7-8 deep reps, quite easy on a good day, yet I'm aware that many ppl cant even imagine this weight at this exercise. I guess I'm built for it, have always been quite flexible naturally.
I used the press behind the neck for over 30 years with no problems. I actually started each rep full range off the traps. Now as I approach 60 my shoulders are shot but I don't think it was the PBN that did it.
I think so many guys have a problem with the press behind the neck because of a lack of shoulder flexibility from various chest presses. Most good bench press guys have terrible shoulder flexibility. I wonder what good that tightness is doing in terms of increasing athletic performance in a sport.
I always felt the press behind the neck hit the middle delt better than the military press. Most lean back to much doing the military standing and also sitting turning into a semi incline bench press further taking the stress off the delts.
I will say this dumbbells and the military press is safer for most trainers than the PBN.
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Did a search on "225lbs behind the neck press" and found the results hilarious. People who see me doing that probably think I'm a fukkin freak haha.. It seems it's very uncommon for someone to go above 180lb for reps (deep reps, mind you, not these fukkin 3/4 rom). Give me 5-10 another injury free years and I will be on O'hearn level.
pic of imagnary 225 bnp guy
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pic of imagnary 225 bnp guy
Not imaginary. 240lb, 6'1 baby!
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2u7ulhl.jpg)
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Not imaginary. 240lb, 6'1 baby!
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2u7ulhl.jpg)
youre not a vegetarian either >:(
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Not imaginary. 240lb, 6'1 baby!
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2u7ulhl.jpg)
Lookin' large, broseph.
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youre not a vegetarian either >:(
I am as carnivore as the day is bright!
Lookin' large, broseph.
Feeling small still, dammit >:(
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Feeling small still, dammit >:(
It's an illness. I am only 215 and I would kill to be 240. Of course, if I was 240, I would be looking at 260 as "the perfect" weight. And so it goes...
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I do presses standing but from the front - 135lbs for around 10-12 reps. :-\
225lbs for reps is pretty awesome. I've seen only one guy in my gym do that and he was juiced to his gills. Even then, he was only doing partials.
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It's an illness. I am only 215 and I would kill to be 240. Of course, if I was 240, I would be looking at 260 as "the perfect" weight. And so it goes...
Truth... Oh well..
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Anyone can get jacked eating meat
The real mystery is discovering a vegan path to the same goal without having to harm things with faces
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whatabout the road kill diet
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Been doing heavy behind the neck bb presses for many years, one of the most comfortable exercises for me, about 225lb currently for 7-8 deep reps, quite easy on a good day, yet I'm aware that many ppl cant even imagine this weight at this exercise. I guess I'm built for it, have always been quite flexible naturally.
seated or standing?
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seated or standing?
Seated.
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Seated.
The 225 for 8 deep reps seated makes a lot more sense and seems more plausible. Although it is still a great display of strength, it would be elite level strength to do 8 full range of motion behind the neck presses with 225 while standing. Totally different exercise.
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The 225 for 8 deep reps seated makes a lot more sense and seems more plausible. Although it is still a great display of strength, it would be elite level strength to do 8 full range of motion behind the neck presses with 225 while standing. Totally different exercise.
Yes, the amount of concentration and being able to keep a balance while generating that king of force would be a lot harder while standing.
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The 225 for 8 deep reps seated makes a lot more sense and seems more plausible. Although it is still a great display of strength, it would be elite level strength to do 8 full range of motion behind the neck presses with 225 while standing. Totally different exercise.
I get that it's different, but not that it's "totally" different. In fact, I would think that if somebody could do seated militaries with 225 that they've already shown the shoulder strength to press 2 wheels in a standing press. Plus, you can push-press it a little with your legs.
Now, for me, I almost always fubar my lower back doing standing press because of my APT and lack of shoulder mobility directly overhead, but if your shoulder mobility is good and you've got the muscle. It should be straightforward.
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I get that it's different, but not that it's "totally" different. In fact, I would think that if somebody could do seated militaries with 225 that they've already shown the shoulder strength to press 2 wheels in a standing press. Plus, you can push-press it a little with your legs.
Now, for me, I almost always fubar my lower back doing standing press because of my APT and lack of shoulder mobility directly overhead, but if your shoulder mobility is good and you've got the muscle. It should be straightforward.
What's the point of bending your knees and using inertia to move the weight? ??? It's all about YOU using your muscles to move it. I have front pressed 225 for 12 reps seated on a bench with a foot brace bar and although I've only begun to do them consistently and don't bend my knees have not gotten 225 with the standing bb press yet.
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What's the point of bending your knees and using inertia to move the weight? ??? It's all about YOU using your muscles to move it. I have front pressed 225 for 12 reps seated on a bench with a foot brace bar and although I've only begun to do them consistently and don't bend my knees have not gotten 225 with the standing bb press yet.
Push-press. it's a thing. Google it.
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I get that it's different, but not that it's "totally" different. In fact, I would think that if somebody could do seated militaries with 225 that they've already shown the shoulder strength to press 2 wheels in a standing press. Plus, you can push-press it a little with your legs.
Now, for me, I almost always fubar my lower back doing standing press because of my APT and lack of shoulder mobility directly overhead, but if your shoulder mobility is good and you've got the muscle. It should be straightforward.
Well if you start to push press it then you are doing just that - a push press. That is another separate exercise. I can push press 30-40% more than I can strict press and some lifters find the gap between the two is even greater.
The seated shoulder press is closer to an incline bench press than the standing strict press.
Pressing 225 overhead in the seated position is a very impressive display of strength but I would not imagine that many people who can do it would find that they can automatically do 225 in the standing strict press.
One of the best things a lifter can do who has been benching, seated pressing etc. is to try some standing strict presses performed correctly (no leg drive, bar starting from below the clavicles at the beginning of each rep and finishing with the arms fully locked out, traps shrugged upwards and head under the bar). It is usually extremely humbling but can tell you a lot about what you need to strengthen as a lifter which in turn can further increase your bench and other such lifts.
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What's the point of bending your knees and using inertia to move the weight? ??? It's all about YOU using your muscles to move it. I have front pressed 225 for 12 reps seated on a bench with a foot brace bar and although I've only begun to do them consistently and don't bend my knees have not gotten 225 with the standing bb press yet.
Because it's about having the strength/power to move the weight. It is YOU using your muscles/body to move it.
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What's the point of bending your knees and using inertia to move the weight? ??? It's all about YOU using your muscles to move it. I have front pressed 225 for 12 reps seated on a bench with a foot brace bar and although I've only begun to do them consistently and don't bend my knees have not gotten 225 with the standing bb press yet.
The point is so you can lift more weight, in the push press (which is a different lift). That is like asking a lifter why they use the stretch reflex at the bottom of the squat and don't just pause squat all the time (which incidentally is actually a great idea if you are using the squat solely for bodybuilding purposes - less stress on the joints, less chance of injury, more time under tension. But I digress...)
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One of the best things a lifter can do who has been benching, seated pressing etc. is to try some standing strict presses performed correctly (no leg drive, bar starting from below the clavicles at the beginning of each rep and finishing with the arms fully locked out, traps shrugged upwards and head under the bar). It is usually extremely humbling but can tell you a lot about what you need to strengthen as a lifter which in turn can further increase your bench and other such lifts.
You kind of "motivated" me to try this next week. I will try it with a very light weight (in comparison) and a very strict form, maybe as a superset after incline dumbell presses (while I do seated btn press, position is completely straight).
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lets just stick to the maximum amount of weight you can get over your head regardless
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lets just stick to the maximum amount of weight you can get over your head regardless
in good form... yes this too
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Push-press. it's a thing. Google it.
It's a thing for retards who want to lift more weight than they can handle ::)
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It's a thing for retards who want to lift more weight than they can handle ::)
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You kind of "motivated" me to try this next week. I will try it with a very light weight (in comparison) and a very strict form, maybe as a superset after incline dumbell presses (while I do seated btn press, position is completely straight).
It is amazing how different they are. Seated 225 is easy to blast up. Once you're standing it's a lot harder to do with your hips wanting to wobble all over the place between the floor and the weight.