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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Wiggs on July 07, 2015, 04:02:20 PM
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We always talk about the 90's were better, take the best today Phil and comparing him against the best of the 90s. We can provide pictures, video etc as the thread continues.
Phil is not better than the following people imo: Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, and Flex
Phil is better than Cormier, Levrone, Ray, and Dillet
There are more to add, that's just a start.
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Phil does show up in shape, he's doughy but he's in shape. He has good cuts and lines. Who knows how he'd do. He'd be competitive and his back is top notch, better than Levrone, Ray, Nasser, Dillet, Priest. He could well place top 4 in the mid 90's.
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One can argue that the lines up 2015 is so incredibly weak and it's now a battle of looking less like shit, rather than looking good.
Both Phil and Kai look really bad despite being the top two.
The nineties had more of what I consider to be good. Proportion, aestethics, balance and better waist lines. Along with more interesting characters.
My point is, most people beat him. Would he to be put in a lineup of the nineties he would look out of place and place bad.
Tom Platz had incredible musculature and big legs, so he was sort of ahead of his time but he didn't win it in 1980.
Marcus Ruhl another example of the conditioned complete mass being there but poor aestethics, not in line with the current fashion.
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2013/01/b1GWY-1.jpg)
Bloofy Heath at his best. Average levrone.
You be the judge.
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Paul Dillet was way better than Philsulin from the front.
Which is more tan 50 %.
Woooshhhhhhhh
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Hahaha love the fact that when he reads getbig, he is referred to as 'philsulin' more than his actual name ;D
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2013/01/b1GWY-1.jpg)
Bloofy Heath at his best. Average levrone.
You be the judge.
M³ is destroying him there.
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Paul Dillet was way better than Philsulin from the front.
Which is more tan 50 %.
Woooshhhhhhhh
And from the back, when Dillett could pose it, he only lacked details... Heath would look like a shrimp next to him...
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Should be judged year by year. Pretty hard to tell how Phil would have placed in 91. He would have looked really awkward next to the 80s guys who were still placing high: Haney, Labrada, Vince Taylor, etc.....I guess he could have placed between 3rd and 5th in 1992 depending on what you focus on. No way he beats Yates and Levrone. Same in 93: Yates and Flex way better than he will ever be. 1994 weirdly would be even worse, I'll have him 5th, he would have looked really bad next to Dillett (even from the back- Dillett didn't have a weak back, he just couldn't pose to save his life).
1995: 4th or 5th, I still think it would have been tough to have a positive outlook on him next to guys like Ray or even Nasser. As the 90s went on, I think he would have placed better, specially from 1999 on when Flex, Ray, Nasser, Levrone (sure he looked great in 2000 and 2002 if you count legs completely out) went downhill. Could have been Ronnie's runner-up at his best but 'til 2007, I don't see Ronnie playing lower than Phil at his best. That's just ridiculous.
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Paul Dillet was way better than Philsulin from the front.
Which is more tan 50 %.
Woooshhhhhhhh
Agree, 95 Arnold when he froze up would destroy Phil.
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Bruce Patterson was better than Phil Heath. So was Chris Duffy.
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(http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/Jrad623/300custUntitled-1.jpg)
Will it ever be like in the 90's?
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Philippe is not even better than Franco.
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(http://media.giphy.com/media/wmMli18mDauru/giphy.gif)
Walking past the h8rz
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Resistance is futile
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30lb side raises. Forced reps!
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2013/01/b1GWY-1.jpg)
Bloofy Heath at his best. Average levrone.
You be the judge.
Why does Phil have that puffy/bloofy look to him? ??? ??? You can clearly see in the pics how levrone has a different level of conditioning than him.
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We always talk about the 90's were better, take the best today Phil and comparing him against the best of the 90s. We can provide pictures, video etc as the thread continues.
Phil is not better than the following people imo: Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, and Flex
Phil is better than Cormier, Levrone, Ray, and Dillet
There are more to add, that's just a start.
are you insane?
the one guy that phil would clearly beat is haney yet you have him better than phil
if the judging was done correctly he could beat shawn and dillet
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are you insane?
the one guy that phil would clearly beat is haney yet you have him better than phil
if the judging was done correctly he could beat shawn and dillet
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Haney is better than Phil. I'm sorry. They weigh the same but Haney is better. Haney is granite, Phil is a balloon. T
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Haney is better than Phil. I'm sorry. They weigh the same but Haney is better. Haney is granite, Phil is a balloon. T
Arguing with Earl? Seriously, my Nibrew? You'll turn Khazar before he posts something that makes sense.
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Haney is better than Phil. I'm sorry. They weigh the same but Haney is better. Haney is granite, Phil is a balloon. T
Haney was great in his time, but he would lose today. His legs are too small and his conditioning is not good enough.
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Haney was great in his time, but he would lose today. His legs are too small and his conditioning is not good enough.
And Phil would lose to Haney in his time. A gut and a wide waist. In addition, no SEOs.
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This
beats this
Bloofy and Narrow
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I think Cormier is another 90s guy who would probably beat Phil.
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Problem with Cormier is that Phil destroys him in the bdb pose. Other than that, Cormier is better.
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real talk
I put phil a little above rico mcclinton
(http://www.ambal.ru/32657345283.jpg)
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I can't believe those of you that really think Phil weighs close to 250. If Phil says so... A realistic estimate would be 230. Weight has a lot to do with height and width. Phil has neither. Just look at the lineup pics, when Phil is not standing two feet in front of the others. He disappear in comparisons. Imagine next to Haney. Even Yates did fade standing relaxed next to Haney. Why do anyone believe Phil stating his weight. With his insecurities we must at least take off ten percent...
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Problem with Cormier is that Phil destroys him in the bdb pose. Other than that, Cormier is better.
I'm not sure Phil would destroy him. Cormier's back was not a weakness.
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I can't believe those of you that really think Phil weighs close to 250. If Phil says so... A realistic estimate would be 230. Weight has a lot to do with height and width. Phil has neither. Just look at the lineup pics, when Phil is not standing two feet in front of the others. He disappear in comparisons. Imagine next to Haney. Even Yates did fade standing relaxed next to Haney. Why do anyone believe Phil stating his weight. With his insecurities we must at least take off ten percent...
I will raise you another 10%!
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I'm not sure Phil would destroy him. Cormier's back was not a weakness.
Beats him. I like Cormier's physique. Phil beats him in Bdb.
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Agree Phil beats him in rdb, but doesn't destroy him. I think Cormier is one of the more underrated 90s guys. He always compared well to Ronnie, Flex, Levrone, and Ray.
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Haney is better than Phil. I'm sorry. They weigh the same but Haney is better. Haney is granite, Phil is a balloon. T
haney is also taller and you can't tell me haney looks better
i would rather look like haney but he would not beat phil in a contest
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haney is also taller and you can't tell me haney looks better
i would rather look like haney but he would not beat phil in a contest
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I disagree.
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Ronnie, Dorian and Haney all beat Phil.
Phil at his best beats the rest.
Flex Wheeler was never in shape from behind. Same with Nasser.
Phil is consistent with his condition and really knows how to peak on game day.
I rank him 4th just out side of Ronnie, Dorian and Haney.
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You guys need to think about what it means to look good. If you discard proportion, aestethics and balance et cetera you're left with Branch Warren, Kai Greene and the likes with only mass och conditioning with no regards to other things. Not to mention the gut problem.
So to say Phil beath this and this one back in the nineties because he has crammed more mass onto his measly frame is too simple.
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Beats him. I like Cormier's physique. Phil beats him in Bdb.
Phil wins from the back everytime
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We always talk about the 90's were better, take the best today Phil and comparing him against the best of the 90s. We can provide pictures, video etc as the thread continues.
Phil is not better than the following people imo: Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, and Flex
Phil is better than Cormier, Levrone, Ray, and Dillet
There are more to add, that's just a start.
Are you high wiggs? Phil is not better than any of those guys. Doubt he's better than some nobody that finished 16th place in the 90s.
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Ronnie, Dorian and Haney all beat Phil.
Phil at his best beats the rest.
Flex Wheeler was never in shape from behind. Same with Nasser.
Phil is consistent with his condition and really knows how to peak on game day.
I rank him 4th just out side of Ronnie, Dorian and Haney.
This....
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We always talk about the 90's were better, take the best today Phil and comparing him against the best of the 90s. We can provide pictures, video etc as the thread continues.
Phil is not better than the following people imo: Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, and Flex
Phil is better than Cormier, Levrone, Ray, and Dillet
There are more to add, that's just a start.
Wiggs, you know I love you brother. But you have to quit smoking that bad skunk weed. It's skewing your ability to think.
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I like flex but aside from 93 and 98 Arnold Classic his physique was overrated, inconsistent, oil all over shoulders and arms and frame can't put and hold on mass to play with the big boys
Flex is frail and tops out in the 218/220 range, 250 is too much for him to handle
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And Phil would lose to Haney in his time. A gut and a wide waist. In addition, no SEOs.
I am no fan of Philsulina but he does not have a wide waist. And he isn't on the same level as Dillet and Levrone. But if he was transported to the 1980s he would beat Haney easily. And I consider Haney just behind Arnold and Coleman as far as the greatest O of all time.
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Phil Heath is a poor man's Aaron Baker. Yeah, I said it.
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I am no fan of Philsulina but he does not have a wide waist. And he isn't on the same level as Dillet and Levrone. But if he was transported to the 1980s he would beat Haney easily. And I consider Haney just behind Arnold and Coleman as far as the greatest O of all time.
I don't get your post. If Haney comes right after Arnold and Coleman, you rank him ahead of Dorian then. So according to your logic, Phil would beat Dorian though he's not on the same level than Dillett or Levrone. Please explain.
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Phil is better than Cormier, Levrone, Ray, and Dillet
Chris, Kevin & Shawn had a better flow & waistline, plus all of them were wider.
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Phil Heath is a poor man's Aaron Baker. Yeah, I said it.
Philsulina wishes he could pull this look off.... insult to Aaron.
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Which era's judges are judging this hypothetical show?
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Philsulina wishes he could pull this look off.... insult to Aaron.
Carl Weathers in the background?
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Which era's judges are judging this hypothetical show?
The era that has the most homosexual judges.
That really narrows it down, huh ? :/
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Phil wins from the back everytime
So have you even seen Phil Heaths latspread?
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I am no fan of Philsulina but he does not have a wide waist. And he isn't on the same level as Dillet and Levrone. But if he was transported to the 1980s he would beat Haney easily. And I consider Haney just behind Arnold and Coleman as far as the greatest O of all time.
No way Phil beats this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMftr3QnYXs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdm3y1zgeJY
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No way Phil beats this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMftr3QnYXs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdm3y1zgeJY
Now this is posing
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Now this is posing
Whoever watches the whole 4:06mn qualifies as a schmoe.
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Whoever watches the whole 4:06mn qualifies as a schmoe.
Lucky i was only at 4:03 when i read this message
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I can't believe those of you that really think Phil weighs close to 250. If Phil says so... A realistic estimate would be 230. Weight has a lot to do with height and width. Phil has neither. Just look at the lineup pics, when Phil is not standing two feet in front of the others. He disappear in comparisons. Imagine next to Haney. Even Yates did fade standing relaxed next to Haney. Why do anyone believe Phil stating his weight. With his insecurities we must at least take off ten percent...
Exactly, all those measurements are complete bullshits... Heath is lucky if he's over 230lbs contest time, and 274lbs in that recent pic? Lol, not even close... Just as the 330lbs Big Ramy or 400lbs Kovacs, laughable stuff... Haney insane taper would make Heath disappear...
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Whoever watches the whole 4:06mn qualifies as a schmoe.
I watched a minute. Schmoetastic!
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idk outside top 3 here https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=796072173842234
Levrone 35:40 much better
most look better with better structure imo
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The problem with most of the guys from the 90s is that Phil beats them from the rear. Phil has the Dorian/Ronnie effect. When he turns around it's lights out in his bdb pose. I know Pill isn't liked much here but there aren't too many in bodybuilding that can match or beat him in that pose. Every other pose is arguable.
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Ronnie, Dorian and Haney all beat Phil.
Phil at his best beats the rest.
Flex Wheeler was never in shape from behind. Same with Nasser.
Phil is consistent with his condition and really knows how to peak on game day.
I rank him 4th just out side of Ronnie, Dorian and Haney.
Agree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^, but a 1993 Flex could go either way against Phil's best.
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The problem with most of the guys from the 90s is that Phil beats them from the rear. Phil has the Dorian/Ronnie effect. When he turns around it's lights out in his bdb pose. I know Pill isn't liked much here but there aren't too many in bodybuilding that can match or beat him in that pose. Every other pose is arguable.
I have to agree with Wiggs.
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Exactly, all those measurements are complete bullshits... Heath is lucky if he's over 230lbs contest time, and 274lbs in that recent pic? Lol, not even close... Just as the 330lbs Big Ramy or 400lbs Kovacs, laughable stuff... Haney insane taper would make Heath disappear...
Phil Heath got his Pro card in 2005 at a weight of about 215-220.
He won his first two Pro shows in 2006 at about 225.
This is Phil Heath back then. Now look at pics from 2013, 2014. You see the difference?
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=35935&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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Phil Heath got his Pro card in 2005 at a weight of about 215-220.
He won his first two Pro shows in 2006 at about 225.
This is Phil Heath back then. Now look at pics from 2013, 2014. You see the difference?
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=35935&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
The first of his gifts...Dareem Should have won this show.
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The first of his gifts...Dareem Should have won this show.
Here is the progression of his back from 2005 to 2008
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/training/philsback_1.jpg)
And he actually looks better in 2006 than he does now.
Here is Phil and Kai at the 2006 Colorado Pro
(http://www.ambal.ru/62876945021.jpg)
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Phil Heath got his Pro card in 2005 at a weight of about 215-220.
He won his first two Pro shows in 2006 at about 225.
This is Phil Heath back then. Now look at pics from 2013, 2014. You see the difference?
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=35935&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
I remember we had the same discussion about weight regarding Wheeler, and we both agreed that those claimed measurements were bogus... In my opinion, Heath was nowhere near 225 in 2006, maybe 205, today contest time he's probably around 230lbs...
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Phil Heath is a poor man's Aaron Baker. Yeah, I said it.
Exactly And Aaron Hand better Arms , Abs , presentation and calfs
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Here is the progression of his back from 2005 to 2008
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/training/philsback_1.jpg)
And he actually looks better in 2006 than he does now.
Here is Phil and Kai at the 2006 Colorado Pro
(http://www.ambal.ru/62876945021.jpg)
At best average genetics on both
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Here is the progression of his back from 2005 to 2008
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/training/philsback_1.jpg)
And he actually looks better in 2006 than he does now.
Here is Phil and Kai at the 2006 Colorado Pro
(http://www.ambal.ru/62876945021.jpg)
Took him 3 years to bring his back up to pro standard.
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Yes but now he has one of the best bdb of all time. I'll give credit where its due.
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I remember we had the same discussion about weight regarding Wheeler, and we both agreed that those claimed measurements were bogus... In my opinion, Heath was nowhere near 225 in 2006, maybe 205, today contest time he's probably around 230lbs...
True, but with Darrem, he had made waves for being one of those guys that started winnnng the 2nd tier shows, and he had stepped up in terms of weight---like 2003-2005ish. Remember it was a close one between him and a prime Victor at the 2004 GNC show. Darrem supposedly about 230ish at the 2006 Colorado Pro, and if you look at that pic, you'd see that he outweighed Phil.
And Phil looks 245-250 compared to the heavier Kai, who is trying to carry Ronnie like weight on a 5'8 frame.
Also, Levrone is the roughly the same height, and rough estimates, Phil looks about the same weight when Levrone was competing at 250.
Thing is, Phil is not prone to "lying" about his weight...not making himself seem heavier than he is. Think about it, he use that "past the line" thing a few yrs ago, because he weighs less than his main rivals.
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We always talk about the 90's were better, take the best today Phil and comparing him against the best of the 90s. We can provide pictures, video etc as the thread continues.
Phil is not better than the following people imo: Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, and Flex
Phil is better than Cormier, Levrone, Ray, and Dillet
There are more to add, that's just a start.
Phil is not even close to 90's Levrone, Ray, or even Cormier or Dillett (well maybe his back).
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Phil is not even close to 90's Levrone, Ray, or even Cormier or Dillett (well maybe his back).
None of those guys can beat his bdb pose. We all know the importance of that pose.
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Here is the progression of his back from 2005 to 2008
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/training/philsback_1.jpg)
And he actually looks better in 2006 than he does now.
Here is Phil and Kai at the 2006 Colorado Pro
(http://www.ambal.ru/62876945021.jpg)
'07 to '08 is pretty incredible.
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None of those guys can beat his bdb pose. We all know the importance of that pose.
Phil also beats wheeler in the back pose. Wheeler had no conditioning in his hams or glutes
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Phil Heath got his Pro card in 2005 at a weight of about 215-220.
He won his first two Pro shows in 2006 at about 225.
This is Phil Heath back then. Now look at pics from 2013, 2014. You see the difference?
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=35935&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Darrem looks better there
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The first of his gifts...Dareem Should have won this show.
From the front Dareem is clearly better.
Also you are right in saying that Phil has one of the best
RDB's not many can match let alone beat him in that.
Not so sure he would stack up so well in the other shots though.
Don't think he would be able to stand out in a Tough All time Greats
Show, & the one RDB shot wouldn't be enough to make up ground on
The rest.
It's All if's & buts.
;)
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I don't get your post. If Haney comes right after Arnold and Coleman, you rank him ahead of Dorian then. So according to your logic, Phil would beat Dorian though he's not on the same level than Dillett or Levrone. Please explain.
I take into account their era. That's why I can place Arnold first but admit that he wouldn't even place today.
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No way Phil beats this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMftr3QnYXs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdm3y1zgeJY
If you could stand the two together in real life during their prime you will see that Phil is thicker and more developed every where compared to Haney.
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If you could stand the two together in real life during their prime you will see that Phil is thicker and more developed every where compared to Haney.
He would be smaller without his all-you-can-eat insulin buffet which Lee did not have at his disposal.
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If you could stand the two together in real life during their prime you will see that Phil is thicker and more developed every where compared to Haney.
So was Bertil Fox.
And Haney's width dwarfed Bertil.
Haney was 5'-11" and 255 lbs and as cut as a lightweight
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If you could stand the two together in real life during their prime you will see that Phil is thicker and more developed every where compared to Haney.
I disagree. Haney's heighth and width would overwhelm Phil. Phil has a thicker waist and obliques though. ;D
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:o
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Haney is everything perfect about bodybuilding in the above shots. Size, shape, symmetry, aesthetics - everything. Even the slimmer legs made his physique look more like a superhuman athlete. Greeks sculptors would've salivated chiseling this shit.
As stupid as it's all become, dude was godly back then. Only Arnold compares.
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Haney is everything perfect about bodybuilding in the above shots. Size, shape, symmetry, aesthetics - everything. Even the slimmer legs made his physique look more like a superhuman athlete. Greeks sculptors would've salivated chiseling this shit.
As stupid as it's all become, dude was godly back then. Only Arnold compares.
Good post. People forget just how great Haney was. And dominant.
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Good post. People forget just how great Haney was. And dominant.
Didn't hurt that he was the classiest Olympian ever. Complete gentleman always.
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Didn't hurt that he was the classiest Olympian ever. Complete gentleman always.
Truth !!
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He would be smaller without his all-you-can-eat insulin buffet which Lee did not have at his disposal.
You're point being... Everyone, would be smaller without slin and gh. Would Flex have beaten Haney in Haney's era without the use of slin, gh and synthol -- I don't think so. I trained in the same gym as Flex in the early 1990s and though he seemed physically perfect he didn't have that overwhelming size and presence that Haney did. And Haney was only 23 years old when he first won the O. Flex was around 26 in 1991-92 when I use to see him.
People forget how young Haney was. He is two generations removed from the Coleman era yet he was only four years older than Coleman. Age wise they were contemporaries but from a bodybuilding stand point from very different generations. Haney was the last of the legit bodybuilders (if there is such a thing) until the distorted mass monsters took over.
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You're point being... Everyone, would be smaller without slin and gh. Would Flex have beaten Haney in Haney's era without the use of slin, gh and synthol -- I don't think so. I trained in the same gym as Flex in the early 1990s and though he seemed physically perfect he didn't have that overwhelming size and presence that Haney did. And Haney was only 23 years old when he first won the O. Flex was around 26 in 1991-92 when I use to see him.
People forget how young Haney was. He is two generations removed from the Coleman era yet he was only four years younger than Coleman. Age wise they were contemporaries but from a bodybuilding stand point from very different generations. Haney was the last of the legit bodybuilders (if there is such a thing) until the distorted mass monsters took over.
I'm glad Haney competed when he did. We're, therefore, left with iconic images of a statuesque physique, rather than some grotesque lab experiment.
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I am no fan of Heath and a huge fan of Haney. I like him better than Coleman though I put Coleman as second and Haney at third. But if he was competing today in his prime I think Phil would beat him easily. Phil is so much thicker and heavily muscled compared to Haney. Phil's arms, quads and arms makes Haney look skinny. And, though it's not as structurally wide, his back is also much thicker than Haney
(http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/features/feature_leehaney1987.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6432/110/d/img_12871222790588.jpg)
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You're point being... Everyone, would be smaller without slin and gh. Would Flex have beaten Haney in Haney's era without the use of slin, gh and synthol -- I don't think so. I trained in the same gym as Flex in the early 1990s and though he seemed physically perfect he didn't have that overwhelming size and presence that Haney did. And Haney was only 23 years old when he first won the O. Flex was around 26 in 1991-92 when I use to see him.
People forget how young Haney was. He is two generations removed from the Coleman era yet he was only four years younger than Coleman. Age wise they were contemporaries but from a bodybuilding stand point from very different generations. Haney was the last of the legit bodybuilders (if there is such a thing) until the distorted mass monsters took over.
Haney is not 4 years younger than Ronnie. He is 5 yrs older
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Haney looks great. Phil looks like shit.
Most agree! It's very simple. More mass on a weak frame is not better in any way.
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Haney is not 4 years younger than Ronnie. He is 5 yrs older
Right. Got it reversed. Still it's amazing that they are the same generation age wise but from vastly different eras bbing wise.
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Paul Shawn Kevin flex Nasser Cormier I'd even take baker over Heath ...
Phil is an average pro with great arms that's it.
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The first of his gifts...Dareem Should have won this show.
Darren won that show.... Bbing judging is so corrupt
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Haney for the win! No way Heath makes him look "skinny."
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Comparing Phil to a great like Haney. ::)
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Haney looks great. Phil looks like shit.
Most agree! It's very simple. More mass on a weak frame is not better in any way.
End of thread.
Woooshhhhhhh
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Flex wheeler all day
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Flex wheeler all day
Wheeler all day long, both narrow, but Flex with better structure and much better flow and lines... Both with round muscle bellies and about the same mass wise, but Flex looked much better... SEO arguments doesn't work since both used a lot...
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Phil and Ronnie are by far the 2 best BB who ever walked on that planet. None of those clowns mentioned in that thread comes close to #1 and #2 of all time ::)
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Phil and Ronnie are by far the 2 best BB who ever walked on that planet. None of those clowns mentioned in that thread comes close to #1 and #2 of all time ::)
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This comparison clearly illustrates how far the "sport" has regressed.
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Phil and Ronnie are by far the 2 best BB who ever walked on that planet. None of those clowns mentioned in that thread comes close to #1 and #2 of all time ::)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/24oa6f4.gif) (http://i41.tinypic.com/2hq5xyp.gif)
Phil's good , real good , best of his generation but he's not close to Ronnie or Dorian.
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Phil's good , real good , best of his generation but he's not close to Ronnie or Dorian.
He is there. Even better in the BDB.
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He is there. Even better in the BDB.
No he's not. Phil is narrow and you put them side-by-side lol Ronnie and Dorian would eclipse him. Phil has a complete back double biceps pose though , Ronnie you could technically say he doesn't because he has no calves but Ronnie's back's is better. wider , thicker , more separated and defined.
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No he's not. Phil is narrow and you put them side-by-side lol Ronnie and Dorian would eclipse him. Phil has a complete back double biceps pose though , Ronnie you could technically say he doesn't because he has no calves but Ronnie's back's is better. wider , thicker , more separated and defined.
Not wider, but better. Defense rests.
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Not wider, but better. Defense rests.
LMAO great assertion. He's NOT wider , thicker , more detailed or separated. Phil's not on Ronnie or Dorian's level.
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LMAO great assertion. He's NOT wider , thicker , more detailed or separated. Phil's not on Ronnie or Dorian's level.
Objection!
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Objection!
lol stop trolling , start proving. ;)
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Let us remind ourselves.
Flex at 215 pounds, USA winner
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=163952.0;attach=188913;image)
(https://siteshkumarpatel.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/9flexwheeler.jpg)
(http://forum.ronnie.cz/images/uploads/img_1229371384_3.jpg)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4031811&d=1326400019)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120866&d=1091835371)
Phil Heath winner of USAs at 215
(http://i.imgur.com/5phY154.jpg)
Flex at 216-220 pounds
(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/flex_wheeler4.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=106860.0;attach=119388;image)
Flex at 224 pounds---1997 Arnold Classic. Beating out a 280 pound Nasser
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/b/b/bbc88_ORIG-22_Flex_Wheeler_foto.jpg)
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Let us remind ourselves.
Flex at 215 pounds
(http://www.spam.com/flexwheeler4.jpg)
(https://siteshkumarpatel.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/9flexwheeler.jpg)
Flex at 216-220 pounds
(http://www.spam.com/flexwheeler5.jpg)
Flex at 224 pounds---1997 Arnold Classic. Beating out a 280 pound Nasser
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/b/b/bbc88_ORIG-22_Flex_Wheeler_foto.jpg)
Not sure what you're saying? Phil would beat Ronnie?
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Not sure what you're saying? Phil would beat Ronnie?
I was responding to the Flex v Phil.
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I was responding to the Flex v Phil.
Oh I see.
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Oh I see.
Also notice in the USA pic, Phil is smiling. Now he doesn't do that. It's these stupid faces, and it's not just him either.
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more separated and defined.
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(http://i42.tinypic.com/2nk3m0k.gif)(http://i43.tinypic.com/m9124h.gif)
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(http://i42.tinypic.com/2nk3m0k.gif)(http://i43.tinypic.com/m9124h.gif)
Ronnie at his best
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Haney for the win! No way Heath makes him look "skinny."
in that phil/haney lat shot comparison you can really see how much of a weakness phil's chest would be versus haney's (among the best ever if not the best)
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Ronnie at his best
Phil's lower lats are thicker. Everywhere, really, except maybe upper traps. Maybe.
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Phil's lower lats are thicker. Everywhere, really, except maybe upper traps. Maybe.
Now you're trollin
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/23shdvq.gif)
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(https://nutritionandpersonaltraining.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/tumblr_nb5lath7lj1qz7b12o1_500.gif)
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Now you're trollin
Not really. But now I'm not so sure. Ronnie's lower lats pop way out, where as Phil looks dense in the middle. Nevermind me, just thought I'd keep ND busy for a bit.
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/23shdvq.gif)
How much oil has he got in the delts there?
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How much oil has he got in the delts there?
His calves are even more obvious. I injection site is just bulging right there.
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Let us remind ourselves.
Flex at 215 pounds, USA winner
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=163952.0;attach=188913;image)
(https://siteshkumarpatel.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/9flexwheeler.jpg)
(http://forum.ronnie.cz/images/uploads/img_1229371384_3.jpg)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4031811&d=1326400019)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120866&d=1091835371)
Phil Heath winner of USAs at 215
(http://i.imgur.com/5phY154.jpg)
Flex at 216-220 pounds
(http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/flex_wheeler4.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=106860.0;attach=119388;image)
Flex at 224 pounds---1997 Arnold Classic. Beating out a 280 pound Nasser
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/b/b/bbc88_ORIG-22_Flex_Wheeler_foto.jpg)
Great muscle bellies on Wheeler... but he looks like Dexter torso with Paul Dillets arms...
that most muscular is like body parts from different people put together.
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Great muscle bellies on Wheeler... but he looks like Dexter torso with Paul Dillets arms.
Which is a pretty damn good combo. Except his back was leagues beyond Dex's.
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His calves are even more obvious. I injection site is just bulging right there.
Could he be one of the pioneers using SEO at the Olympia stage?