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Title: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Twaddle on July 21, 2015, 07:57:49 AM
Also, what is wrong with people like this?   ???

http://news.yahoo.com/police-probing-death-la-1-200-guns-2-024948394.html#

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Police investigating the death of a Los Angeles man uncovered an arsenal inside his home and garage — more than 1,200 guns and about two tons of ammunition, authorities said Monday.

Los Angeles Police Department Cmdr. Andrew Smith called the number of rifles, pistols and shotguns staggering. Many had never been fired and some were still wrapped in boxes, with price tags still attached.

"Our truck couldn't carry it all," Smith told the Los Angeles Times (http://lat.ms/1HFAKVn). "We had to go back and make another trip."

There were no signs of foul play. Police have found no evidence the man, who has not been identified, was involved in criminal activity.

Police made the discovery after the man's decomposing body was found in a car down the street from his home in the Pacific Palisades neighborhood.

Detectives want to find out why he had so many guns and are examining the weapons to determine if they have been linked to any crime.

"We have a lot of work to do," Smith said. "Running the background, history and legality of these weapons is going to require a tremendous amount of time."

"It's not a crime to have a large number of weapons so long as they were legal to own and legally obtained," Smith added. "We want to make sure that's the case."
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 21, 2015, 07:58:49 AM
Maybe he was an avid collector
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 21, 2015, 08:00:51 AM
A Walking Dead fan I'd guess.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: BB on July 21, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
Looks like an old, moneyed, collector died. Big whoop. The stuff in the video looks medium to high end, and well cared for.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: thegamechanger on July 21, 2015, 08:07:05 AM
some collects stamps, others guns.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Twaddle on July 21, 2015, 08:07:25 AM
So what should be done with them?  Should we give them to charity, the less fortunate and needy?  Why did the police take them as "evidence"?   ???
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 21, 2015, 08:08:07 AM
Might have been a ex dealer
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: BB on July 21, 2015, 08:15:44 AM
So what should be done with them?  Should we give them to charity, the less fortunate and needy?  Why did the police take them as "evidence"?   ???

I'm guessing they might not of had children, and California being the way it is, they'll probably be cut and scrapped if no relative wants to go through the transfer work. Ideally, I'd like to see the assigned to a FFL and reactioned or sold to the benefit of someone.

Might have been a ex dealer

Good thought.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 21, 2015, 08:19:11 AM
Might have been a ex dealer

Or just one of _aj_'s cousins.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: thegamechanger on July 21, 2015, 08:19:17 AM
true might be an ex dealer who still got some ties to previous drug relations and need to protect himself.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: BB on July 21, 2015, 08:28:49 AM
Might have been a ex dealer

I think this is right, judging from the pics -

(http://media.nbclosangeles.com/images/1200*675/knbc-guns-found-west-la.jpg).

Looks like a lot of doubles, etc...., and a lot of high end stuff.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: _aj_ on July 21, 2015, 08:55:10 AM
I think this is right, judging from the pics -

(http://media.nbclosangeles.com/images/1200*675/knbc-guns-found-west-la.jpg).

Looks like a lot of doubles, etc...., and a lot of high end stuff.

Oh God...don't stack them like cordwood! You are decreasing their value! This is a 7 figure collection for the beneficiary of the guy's estate and he should sue.

I'm betting that they were all legally owned.

BTW, that's an impressive collection. I hope to get mine to that level some day. I know at least one guy here in NH that has an entire warehouse filled with his collection. Many of which are Class III (full auto). I would put his collection at an easy $30 million.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Twaddle on July 21, 2015, 09:06:26 AM
Imagine the Coppers are probably cherry picking whatever they want out of those piles. 

"This one is mine, you get that one, we can report this one......."

 :D
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 09:12:38 AM
Mental illness.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Twaddle on July 21, 2015, 09:14:34 AM
Mental illness.

Who?   ???
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: thegamechanger on July 21, 2015, 09:16:25 AM
Who?   ???

himself
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 09:18:51 AM
Who?   ???

Guy with all the guns.

Should be in a strait jacket in an institution.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: BB on July 21, 2015, 09:20:37 AM
Mental illness.

Curious. Would you class someone that has 1200 pairs of sneakers, comic books, sports memorabilia, video games, etc.... the same?
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: RagingBull on July 21, 2015, 09:29:52 AM
It's a collector's mentality...nothing else...nothing wrong with it.  Some people collect stamps, coins or match boxes.  I guarantee 99% of the firearms were not fired other than at the factory. 
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: chaos on July 21, 2015, 09:32:20 AM
Mental illness.
::)
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Bear232 on July 21, 2015, 09:36:48 AM
Damn shame to stack those guns like that.   Stupid LAPD...

someone has a collection of guns does not make them a criminal... ::)

Some people collect stamps, some guns, some baseball cards..   To each their own.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 10:13:09 AM
Curious. Would you class someone that has 1200 pairs of sneakers, comic books, sports memorabilia, video games, etc.... the same?

No.  Just gun nutters.

They are a distinct group.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: _aj_ on July 21, 2015, 10:14:46 AM
No.  Just gun nutters.

They are a distinct group.

Settle down there, TA.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 10:16:20 AM
Settle down there, TA.

Calm down, we are not taking your guns away from you!

You can still have your 30 guns because you think the government is going to try to ambush you and youre going to need to protect yourself.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: BB on July 21, 2015, 10:16:56 AM
No.  Just gun nutters.

They are a distinct group.

.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: The True Adonis on July 21, 2015, 10:18:26 AM
No.  Just gun nutters.

They are a distinct group.
No they aren't really. 

The only distinct thing about anyone who owns a gun is that they own a gun.

All types of people own them.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 10:21:08 AM
No they aren't really. 

The only distinct thing about anyone who owns a gun is that they own a gun.

All types of people own them.

Gun nutters are psychologically imbalanced.

I will find peer-reviewed studies to post.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: forillagorilla on July 21, 2015, 10:24:36 AM
Calm down, we are not taking your guns away from you!

You can still have your 30 guns because you think the government is going to try to ambush you and youre going to need to protect yourself.  ::) ::)

Do you know the reason that the founding fathers insisted upon the 2nd Amendment? The FACT is that at the time of the American Revolution - in England the king wouldn't allow his subjects to be armed. The founding fathers knew that an armed citizenry was the most certain defense against tyranny..
You may scoff at the idea - but that's the fact.
You have very right to be afraid of guns - you can even hate them if you choose. Just be tolerant of my views as well.  
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: forillagorilla on July 21, 2015, 10:27:39 AM
Gun nutters are psychologically imbalanced.

I will find peer-reviewed studies to post.

I actually find it extremely odd that a grown man doesn't own at least one gun. Cant understand the fear that you guys have. That seems imbalanced.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: The True Adonis on July 21, 2015, 10:28:02 AM
(http://www.billoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/blade_of_grass_2298_b.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 21, 2015, 10:33:20 AM
(http://www.billoblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/blade_of_grass_2298_b.jpg)

NOT accurate it was never attributed to him

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 21, 2015, 10:37:04 AM
Calm down, we are not taking your guns away from you!

You can still have your 30 guns because you think the government is going to try to ambush you and youre going to need to protect yourself.  ::) ::)

Obama is trying. And my position is , Guns are like abortions , don't want one , don't get one. But fuck-off with trying to tell people what they can and can't get , especially when it's a Constitutional Right.

Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: _aj_ on July 21, 2015, 10:37:45 AM
NOT accurate it was never attributed to him

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

The "blade of grass" quote is probably an apocryphal paraphrase of this:

Christian News, a Lutheran journal published in New Haven, Missouri, USA, under the above caption published the following item in its Feb. 4, 2002 issue: "In 1960, Robert Menard was a commander aboard the USS Constellation when he was part of a meeting between United States Navy personnel and their counterparts in the Japanese Defense Forces. "Fifteen years had passed since VJ Day, most of those at the meeting were WWII veterans, and men who had fought each other to the death at sea were now comrades in battle who could confide in each other. "Someone at the table asked a Japanese admiral why, with the Pacific Fleet devastated at Pearl Harbor and the mainland U.S. forces in what Japan had to know was a pathetic state of unreadiness, Japan had not simply invaded the West Coast. "Commander Menard would never forget the crafty look on the Japanese commander's face as he frankly answered the question. " 'You are right,' he told the Americans. 'We did indeed know much about your preparedness. We knew that probably every second home in your country contained firearms. We knew that your country actually had state championships for private citizens shooting military rifles. We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand.' "
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: The True Adonis on July 21, 2015, 10:39:07 AM
NOT accurate it was never attributed to him

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/
How about this one?

(http://unreasonable.org/sites/unreasonable.org/files/images/orwell-riflequote1.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: The True Adonis on July 21, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
(http://orig07.deviantart.net/c38c/f/2013/280/2/2/thomas_paine_on_gun_control_by_fourdaysfromnow-d6plgmp.png)
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SOMEPARTS on July 21, 2015, 10:45:17 AM
"It's not a crime to have a large number of weapons so long as they were legal to own and legally obtained," Smith added. "We want to make sure that's the case."


No action since it's legal until found otherwise....

...and true if this guy has an estate those guns piled on top of each other is going to make for some interesting depreciation issues.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 10:47:34 AM
Obama is trying. And my position is , Guns are like abortions , don't want one , don't get one. But fuck-off with trying to tell people what they can and can't get , especially when it's a Constitutional Right.



I will post peer reviewed journals showing the state of people who own more than 15 guns.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: The True Adonis on July 21, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
"These people are either too superstitiously religious, or too cowardly for arms; they either can not or dare not defend ; their property is open to anyone who has the courage to attack them... The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."

    "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine (July 1775)-Thomas Paine
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 21, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
I will post peer reviewed journals showing the state of people who own more than 15 guns.

And? This proves what?
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 10:56:01 AM
And? This proves what?


I will definitely prove the psychological makeup of people who own more than 15 guns, thereby advocating for the reduction of gun ownership throughout the country.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 21, 2015, 11:00:20 AM
I will definitely prove the psychological makeup of people who own more than 15 guns, thereby advocating for the reduction of gun ownership throughout the country.

There won't be any reduction in gun ownership in this country. 300 million plus firearms among probably 100 million people. People in this country aren't going to turn them over. You'll have to have men with guns confiscate the guns and how well do you think that will work out?

15 is an arbitrary number anyway , is there any difference between a person who owns 14 guns and someone who owns 15? Obama is the best salesman for firearms in decades , thank him lol
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 11:03:04 AM
There won't be any reduction in gun ownership in this country. 300 million plus firearms among probably 100 million people. People in this country aren't going to turn them over. You'll have to have men with guns confiscate the guns and how well do you think that will work out?

15 is an arbitrary number anyway , is there any difference between a person who owns 14 guns and someone who owns 15? Obama is the best salesman for firearms in decades , thank him lol

Yes, huge difference between owning 14 or 15 guns, especially if the 15th gun is a high powered rifle with a scope.

And, yes, I will advocate for the removal of all guns from homes. There is no need for a gun in the 21st century. Do you think the government is going to invade your home? Oh brotha.

Plus, you can be easily as safe with a bow n arrow and hunting knife.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on July 21, 2015, 11:05:56 AM
Yes, huge difference between owning 14 or 15 guns, especially if the 15th gun is a high powered rifle with a scope.

And, yes, I will advocate for the removal of all guns from homes. There is no need for a gun in the 21st century. Do you think the government is going to invade your home? Oh brotha.

Plus, you can be easily as safe with a bow n arrow and hunting knife.

lol So your solution to gun violence is more gun violence? As long as the jackboot thugs are doing that violence for you? This isn't Australia , people aren't going to just hand them over , some will , most won't. You're going to need men with guns to collect the guns.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
lol So your solution to gun violence is more gun violence? As long as the jackboot thugs are doing that violence for you? This isn't Australia , people aren't going to just hand them over , some will , most won't. You're going to need men with guns to collect the guns.

Id call Vince Goodrum to collect the guns. He was once a corrections officer.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Overload on July 21, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
They should give it all to his family.

Having 1000 firearms is less dangerous than a gallon of gasoline in your garage.

Guns are just objects.

I have over 100 firearms, easily.

Miraculously, none of my firearms have shot anyone.  Amazing.


8)
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Fuzzy Nuts on July 21, 2015, 11:17:38 AM
Illegal seizure. This guy committed no crime and the police confiscate his property. Hope the NRA or lawyers get involved and these criminals lose their jobs.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: SF1900 on July 21, 2015, 11:19:57 AM
Illegal seizure. This guy committed no crime and the police confiscate his property. Hope the NRA or lawyers get involved and these criminals lose their jobs.

Cops lose their jobs..............

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/06/fa/63/06fa638adb5542d13258ab3c20fb3ed2.gif)

Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: BB on July 23, 2015, 11:03:52 AM
Great googly moogly -

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dead-la-man-1-200-guns-identified-part-alien-article-1.2301594 .

Click the video too, as it gives a rough value to everything, and is just worth it for the shear wackiness. Sounds like he was living an awesome life  ;D.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 23, 2015, 11:07:27 AM

"It's not a crime to have a large number of weapons so long as they were legal to own and legally obtained," Smith added.


Not sure what the big deal is.  Some people have 1200 Beanie Babies.

Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Twaddle on July 23, 2015, 11:23:51 AM
Great googly moogly -

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dead-la-man-1-200-guns-identified-part-alien-article-1.2301594 .

Click the video too, as it gives a rough value to everything, and is just worth it for the shear wackiness. Sounds like he was living an awesome life  ;D.

Awesome!  I wish I could've had a beer with him, and heard some of his stories.   :D
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: Bear232 on July 24, 2015, 08:21:49 AM
Estimated value of the firearms, scopes, and accessories is well over 2million$$...I hope the family just didn't surrender these items to the LAPD.
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: tommywishbone on July 24, 2015, 08:28:50 AM
Piggies have already stolen so much from that stash it's absurd.  $100,000's in cash, plus all those guns and who knows what else.  Christmas came early for LAPD. 
Title: Re: What is the appropriate course of action for this arsenal?
Post by: _aj_ on July 24, 2015, 08:36:55 AM
Piggies have already stolen so much from that stash it's absurd.  $100,000's in cash, plus all those guns and who knows what else.  Christmas came early for LAPD. 

"Civil forfeiture"  ::)