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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Craig Titus & Kelly Ryan Discussions => Topic started by: Saskbb on March 01, 2006, 06:59:29 PM
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My guess is Titus, he will turn on his wife the the personality disorder he turly is!
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I DONT KNOW MAYNE SHE LOOKS LIKE A DEVIL TO ME SHE MIGHT TURN ON THA WATER WORKS AND GIVE THA WHOLE LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS DONE TO MY LIFE ROUTINE! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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well i dont realy know enough of the details but whoever the police think is the least guilty will be asked to make a deal
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If the cops offer them Meth I bet it would be Kelly!
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I agree it will be "Kelly" who will turn first. She is a first time offender. This will
play heavily on how they will lean on her, to look out for herself.
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Yep I agree. She will spill her guts. She has a clean record and he is a known scumbag, ex-con, and asshole.
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Titus is so dum :-X
he will take the rap
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Titus is so dum :-X
he will take the rap
I think Titus is such an asshole that he will turn on Kelly. Rats always leave the sinking ship first.
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Titus doesn't have the ability in this case to rat anybody out since he himself is the killer. The cops knew that, the caops know that, the prosecution knows it.
But it still remains to be seen if Kelly will cooperate with the prosecution in order to lessen her sentence. She was involved, so I would say accessory to murder...whether they will say that if not for Craig, Kelly would have never been involved in such a crime, they could definiteky go easy on her if she cooperates and gives them cold hard facts
But if she is wishy washy and they think she is trying to play them or give them bad info, they will withdraw any leniency
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I agree it will be "Kelly" who will turn first. She is a first time offender. This will
play heavily on how they will lean on her, to look out for herself.
And to get him back, for all the times, she got on her knees to eat her own shit off his dick. But that's only to lighten her sentence, and to be in a lipstick dyke prison. She can't get off for murder...I'd want to be in a lipstick dyke prison, where women look like women 8)
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Kelly will break first. The mentally weak tend to do that,
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If the cops offer them Meth I bet it would be Kelly!
they say there is more drug use in prisons then on the streets
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they say there is more drug use in prisons then on the streets
Where would you rather use drugs? The prison may be a preferred choice, since it will be more hygenic than an average crack-house.
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I wont comment on who showed weakness when it came to the murder.
But you cant achieve what Kelly did in her career if you are weak. She is strong, she has discipline, and she did it long enough to prove it was no accident or luck. As for the stuff in her private life, and such, who really knows. I dont see her as weak. Her level of excellence in her professional career is proof enough for me.
Maybe the other "accessories to the murder" the police have in custody, will rat them both out.
Best to wait and see.
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weak people buy lighter fluid with their card not with cash. as in weak minded.
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I wont comment on who showed weakness when it came to the murder.
But you cant achieve what Kelly did in her career if you are weak. She is strong, she has discipline, and she did it long enough to prove it was no accident or luck. As for the stuff in her private life, and such, who really knows. I dont see her as weak. Her level of excellence in her professional career is proof enough for me.
Maybe the other "accessories to the murder" the police have in custody, will rat them both out.
Best to wait and see.
Kelly's not weak at all. She must've incorporated her swift ninja-like "flyin' Ryan" flip flap split push-up bedazzling gymnastic footwork before she killed her; then fled and told lies. How's that for strength. Maybe she'll earn first place, for murder. Have you been talking to Cathy Savage?
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...... As for the stuff in her private life, and such, who really knows......
Are you serious? There are several people on this board and others who knew both Craig and Kelly intimately. YOur comment of " who really knows " seems pretty naive as MANY PEOPLE know of their private life.
Going with the knowledge that many people on the boards lie- if 2% of the people were truthful in their comments about her lifestyle- then Ryan was pretty much involved in the sex/ drug shenanigans.
The comment of " wait and see...." gets tiresome to read as we all are waiting to see and yes, it is always best to wait and see. But this is a chat room of sorts and people are here to chat about what they think happened or will happen.
I think that I will just wait to see just what your particular involvement with Titus is. The only people who seemed to have defended the guy or kept posting " wait and see " have been the endless number of girls who fell in love with the guy. And still love him. Apparently even to death.
One of two of the women who escaped seem to suffer from a form of post traumatic stress disorder judged from their post content.
but again, we'll wait to see
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Perhaps they will go out like "Romeo & Juliet" lovers to the very end ??? ???
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Perhaps they will go out like "Romeo & Juliet" lovers to the very end ??? ???
or "Sid & Nancy"
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;D
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Well, i dont know Cathy Savage(sp?), and being on the other side of the planet the social behaviour of the IFBB pros just doesnt come my way. I admired Kelly Ryan's performances when she was competing and cant just write it all off as easily as others do. Drugs have ruined many folk, if thats what this was, but she had the strength once, and she can find it again. I have my opinions and I respect yours.
Enough already. I'm off to the gym.
;D
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Well, i dont know Cathy Savage(sp?), and being on the other side of the planet the social behaviour of the IFBB pros just doesnt come my way. I admired Kelly Ryan's performances when she was competing and cant just write it all off as easily as others do. Drugs have ruined many folk, if thats what this was, but she had the strength once, and she can find it again. I have my opinions and I respect yours.
Enough already. I'm off to the gym.
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So you are judging Kelly Ryan's strength and strength of character based solely on your admiration of her performances? Does the concept of BOOK and COVER come to mind here? lol...
People are not as superficial as you appear to be.... but keep those blinders on... they come in handy when you have to take a corner. It's easier to live your life with blinders on so you can appear 'above it all' when shit happens...
YOu live 1000 miles away from the action so don't know anything about anything but you wish to write that you'll wait to see and the Ryan must be a great person as she looked good on stage & smiled well for the camera. Great assessment of the goings on. Keep up the good work there Lois...
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I wont comment on who showed weakness when it came to the murder.
But you cant achieve what Kelly did in her career if you are weak. She is strong, she has discipline, and she did it long enough to prove it was no accident or luck. As for the stuff in her private life, and such, who really knows. I dont see her as weak. Her level of excellence in her professional career is proof enough for me.
Maybe the other "accessories to the murder" the police have in custody, will rat them both out.
Best to wait and see.
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I applaud your support of the First Ammendment, SFU, and
am delighted with your diatribe re Book-by-the-Cover evaluations
of people! Are you a bodybuilder?
I was once married to a drop-dead (literally) gorgeous man who
turned out to be a professional assasin. That's how easily fooled
I am. No kidding, he grew up idolizing Clint Eastwood the way
we do Arnold, and couldn't think of a nobler thing to do than
knock off "bad guys". No one, least of all myself, could believe he was
capable of killing a person.
Granted, you want to see past a person's physical appearance.
You're brave/courageous/curious enough to want to get to the heart
of a man. Well, that's also the kinda x-ray vision that a disillusioned
and suspicion-prone person might develop in order to protect themself,
esp. in industries like entertainment or commercial fitness. It's
important to you to judge people properly, thoroughly and accurately. But
you don't trust your sense of sight very much to perform this.
Sight unseen, am I sensing you correctly? Did a beautiful person
ever betray you? (Is the cheese sliding completely off my cracker?)
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I applaud your support of the First Ammendment, SFU, and
am delighted with your diatribe re Book-by-the-Cover evaluations
of people!
The comment was directed towards Marcie as it was she who , having never met her, judged Ryan based solely upon Ryan's appearance and success in bodybuilding.
Are you a bodybuilder?
would it matter? at least as far as your first comments go. It's always difficult if not impossible to tell when something is a serious question or simply sarcasm or irony. So I rarely get upset and try to answer the best I can.
I was once married to a drop-dead (literally) gorgeous man who
turned out to be a professional assasin. That's how easily fooled
I am. No kidding, he grew up idolizing Clint Eastwood the way
we do Arnold, and couldn't think of a nobler thing to do than
knock off "bad guys". No one, least of all myself, could believe he was
capable of killing a person.
Granted, you want to see past a person's physical appearance.
You're brave/courageous/curious enough to want to get to the heart
of a man. Well, that's also the kinda x-ray vision that a disillusioned
and suspicion-prone person might develop in order to protect themself,
esp. in industries like entertainment or commercial fitness. It's
important to you to judge people properly, thoroughly and accurately. But
you don't trust your sense of sight very much to perform this.
Sight unseen, am I sensing you correctly? Did a beautiful person
ever betray you? (Is the cheese sliding completely off my cracker?)
Hard to believe that this is directed to me but I'll respond. It was Marcie999 who said that she didn't know anything about the particular situation yet believed Ryan to be a strong person since she is achieved some success, was pretty and always seemed nice when she was performing in some professional capacity.
In most of your post, your argument is in support of mine. So it made me wonder if you mixed up Marcie's post with mine.
This is a superficial sport in that we judge a person by how they look. Many people make the mistake of extending that judgement to include personal values, integrity and other intangible qualities. Hence the fact that many people, women as well as men, hold out the thought that Titus wasn't involved or that Ryan, being who she is, is incapable of doing such a thing. Which is patently absurd- as it is difficult to figure out what a person is thinking. As you yourself pointed out, pretty people are indeed capable of pulling off some pretty heinous acts.
A person doesn't need to be betrayed themselves to see how often someone says " He didn't look like a killer- he appeared normal".
This could be equally applied to those "normal looking or pretty people" who are often portrayed as completely innocent yet took part in killing little girls or murdering other people.
There is an entire genre of non-fiction crime writing about these sorts of people: Pretty women and handsome men who get away with murder, literally, since many people automatically equate "pretty" with " good".
This didn't start with my observation of this phenomena: it's been around longer than I have and will continue pretty much unabated for years to come.
Yes, the cheese has completely slid off your cracker, hit the floor and the dog has ate it.
Unless you count your post, no beautiful person has betrayed me. :D
( j/k about you betraying me. I do think that if you are who you I think you are, then you are very beautiful, and by extension- a great person...:D )
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Well, shortfatugly, you have definately gone off the deep end as far as I am concerned.
Build your macho castles, just dont do it on my back.
I have my opinions and I stated them about people I have not met personally. The public persona is all I got to see. Some people on this board seem to know Kelly and Craig personally and paint a very different picture. I stand by what I said, even though that means you wont want to be my friend. It's just, the more I think about it, the more I think Kelly cant be written off that easily. She made her mark, and worked hard to do it. Thats what I'm focussing on. The trial will handle the rest of it.
But cheers anyway.
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Marcie
Which hair color do you prefer on Kelly? Glamorous blond or Fugutive black? I know you can answer this question perfectly.
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Well, shortfatugly, you have definately gone off the deep end as far as I am concerned.
Build your macho castles, just dont do it on my back.
I have my opinions and I stated them about people I have not met personally. The public persona is all I got to see. Some people on this board seem to know Kelly and Craig personally and paint a very different picture. I stand by what I said, even though that means you wont want to be my friend. It's just, the more I think about it, the more I think Kelly cant be written off that easily. She made her mark, and worked hard to do it. Thats what I'm focussing on. The trial will handle the rest of it.
But cheers anyway.
macho castles. ?
I am about as macho as a singer in the Village people.
Friends? where or when did this come up? Were you looking for one?
different strokes for different folks,
hope you have one.
Although people do try to figure other people out ( we're human , or the vast majority of us are anyway ), people do tend to go past their safety zone in their assessments of other people based solely on what is written or what they see in muscle magazines.
Lots of people on this board with amateur Psych degrees. It's kind of fun when they are completely off base, cheese on the floor etc.
YOu could go out on a limb to guess that I am um.. short,, kind of chubby and sort of ugly. Try that one.
Hope your strategy in life ( superficial ) works for you. Tell us how it all works out.
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It would be interesting to find out if the level of violence in the bodybuilding crowd is as high as it is in the outside world. It would be hard to define the numbers and the constituents of the bodybuilding crowd but some suitable definition could be found.
So, do bodybuilders who have their plans thwarted or have some degree of frustration presented to them ( other people don't do what they are told ) resort to violence?
Gordon Kimbrough ( sp ) murders his fiance Kristy Ramsey (?) when she decides to leave him ( no one leaves Gordon apparently).
Bertil Fox murders his ex girlfriend and the ex girlfriends mother in anger as she decided to leave him. Letters to Chris Lund notwithstanding. ( His statements seem overly self serving and unbelievable. )
Sally McNeil's murder of Ray doesn't fit in here neatly as she accused Ray of physically beating her so she offered self defense sort of thing as mitigating circumstances.
Many bodybuilders are not violent so I'd say that it's probably no greater than the average. They just stand out more.
One thing that should be mentioned is that the average Joe and Jane don't have a clue about Titus & Ryan any more than they know who will win the next Mr. Olympia. Nor do they know that Bertil Fox is jailed for life in St. Kitts.
We should get over ourselves as the general public doesn't care much about the bodybuilding /fitness/ figure scene. This has been said several times on this board no doubt.
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superficial............. .... lol, whatever.
I actually liked your post after this one. Totally agree. BB are judged harshly if they get angry and violent. But the general public couldnt care less.
sigh.
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superficial................. lol, whatever.
I actually liked your post after this one. Totally agree. BB are judged harshly if they get angry and violent. But the general public couldnt care less.
sigh.
You wrote that you didn't know anything about these people yet the little you knew of them came from magazines and pictures. And from that information, you judged Kelly to be a strong person seeing as how she was successful and all the rest.
Your next comment was pretty much a repeat of the same. People are bound to get all up in arms about this but your comments pretty much define superficial- appear to be good or successful so that is good enough for me. Not looking past the surface. Not being interested in anything other than the thin patina of gloss on the outside.
The thread is not about you so I will end my comments directed towards your earlier statements.
As for bodybuilders and the general public: probably plumbers (or any other 'male' profession) are more violent than bodybuilders although I have nothing to prove this specific example.
The general public couldn't care less about what bodybuilders do. It sometimes appear that the powers that be are actually going out of their way to try to drum UP PUBLICITY about this event rather than the other way around.
It is so NOT about steroids and bodybuilding but sex, alleged and dubious allegations of identity theft and street/rec drugs.
Ryan was retired from her career and Titus was pretty much out of his as well. They were on their way out of Dodge so to speak.
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Very "Good" points. We will see how it plays out in the media when the
trial (S) begin