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No wonder why kids are going to be more screwed up than ever. I wonder how many customers actually complained....none?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-07/target-removes-gender-labels-from-kids-sections-after-complaints
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Target's new back-to-school fashions
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Coach, do you think the Trump comment about Megyn Kelly was funny, or disgusting?
Do you still support his presidency?
Also, as for the transgender thing, honestly, I never look in other stalls. People in the next one could have 3 penises for all I know, I'm just using the potty and returning to my day.
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and lets say they did, how many would that compare to the ones who would like it left as it is? Just another bullshit pc move for publicity
No wonder why kids are going to be more screwed up than ever. I wonder how many customers actually complained....none?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-07/target-removes-gender-labels-from-kids-sections-after-complaints
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Guess my childhood toy aint in... ::)
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Coach, do you think the Trump comment about Megyn Kelly was funny, or disgusting?
Do you still support his presidency?
Also, as for the transgender thing, honestly, I never look in other stalls. People in the next one could have 3 penises for all I know, I'm just using the potty and returning to my day.
Off topic trolling......will be deleted in 3...2...1...
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Coach, do you think the Trump comment about Megyn Kelly was funny, or disgusting?
Do you still support his presidency?
Also, as for the transgender thing, honestly, I never look in other stalls. People in the next one could have 3 penises for all I know, I'm just using the potty and returning to my day.
240,
I'm going to offer you a little business advice, take it or leave it. I know I rant on here it's what I do, I hold very little back. People dislike me because of three things. 1. I'm a Conservative 2. I believe in God and 3. I speak my mind and speak out on a lot of things. But one thing I don't do (and everyone knows what business I have, the location and where I could be reached) is lie, intentionally mislead or otherwise because it shows lack of integrity and lack of business ethics.
You blatantly do both. You're good at what you do. You advertise your business and run an online business. That being said, I don't recall ever saying that I support a Trump presidency. I think I said I agree with him on most issues but he is in fact a side show. I like that he speaks his mind and tells like it is.....that doesn't mean I support him for president.
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This whole gender male/female thing is outdated. The fashion industry is braking up those barriers now (and we know that the fashion industry is dictating our everyday life), and in 10-15 yrs from now the gender won't even be determined at the birth of a baby resp be noted on your documents etc anymore. Being a certain gender is useless basically and old-fashioned, be whatever you want. :)
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I don't recall ever saying that I support a Trump presidency. I think I said I agree with him on most issues but he is in fact a side show. I like that he speaks his mind and tells like it is.....that doesn't mean I support him for president.
gotcha. what is your take on the megyn kelly thing? Trump prides himself on being 'politically incorrect' and everyone laughed when Rosie odonnell was the butt of the joke. Is it cool when he does the same thing to Kelly? (she really did attack him far more than the other canddiates)
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No wonder why kids are going to be more screwed up than ever. I wonder how many customers actually complained....none?
do you really think putting all toys together, not having a "girl toys" section and a "boy toys" section is really going to confuse kids? That kids need to be told "No you can't play with that toy because it is not gender stereotype appropriate" ?
People dislike me because of three things. 1. I'm a Conservative 2. I believe in God and 3. I speak my mind and speak out on a lot of things.
I think people dislike you because you repeat Fox/Drudge talking points without any critical thinking on your part. The hate you spew towards the president and other Democratic leaders is not indication of someone with a small c conservative point of view.
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do you really think putting all toys together, not having a "girl toys" section and a "boy toys" section is really going to confuse kids? That kids need to be told "No you can't play with that toy because it is not gender stereotype appropriate" ?
Do you think keeping them seperated is confusing anyone? Or maybe, just maybe, it makes it easier for people buying the toys to find what they're looking for for their son/daughter/neice/nephew?Really, I'm going to sift through shittons of GIJoe to find a Barbie for my neices birthday or maybe as a store trying to sell products they would have a specific area so I could find what I'm looking for with ease? And who's telling kids they can't play with certain toys because of what area of the store they are in? You PC fucks sure like to make huge jumps in your conclusions. ::)
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do you really think putting all toys together, not having a "girl toys" section and a "boy toys" section is really going to confuse kids? That kids need to be told "No you can't play with that toy because it is not gender stereotype appropriate" ?
Its purely to push an agenda and you know it. How about keeping it the same and let the child choose what he or she wants to play with or what clothes to put on? But when you parents that wanted s girl but got a boy and starts dressing the kid as a girl...that's not only wrong but will most likely screw that kid up.
I think people dislike you because you repeat Fox/Drudge talking points without any critical thinking on your part. The hate you spew towards the president and other Democratic leaders is not indication of someone with a small c conservative point of view.
What you call critical thinking I call commonsense. BtW, I rarely get my info from either all though I do read it. No Tim, my "info" isn't from online or even reading about it.
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Do you think keeping them seperated is confusing anyone? Or maybe, just maybe, it makes it easier for people buying the toys to find what they're looking for for their son/daughter/neice/nephew?Really, I'm going to sift through shittons of GIJoe to find a Barbie for my neices birthday or maybe as a store trying to sell products they would have a specific area so I could find what I'm looking for with ease? And who's telling kids they can't play with certain toys because of what area of the store they are in? You PC fucks sure like to make huge jumps in your conclusions. ::)
all the GI Joes are together and all the Barbies are together. But they both may be in the doll isle. The boy dolls are not necessarily with the boy trucks and the boy balls. Girls sports equipment is with the boys sports equipment, not with the barbie dolls. As stated in the article, Target will simply no longer have a big sign overhead saying boy toys and girl toys, nor color code their isle blue and pink.
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all the GI Joes are together and all the Barbies are together. But they both may be in the doll isle. The boy dolls are not necessarily with the boy trucks and the boy balls. Girls sports equipment is with the boys sports equipment, not with the barbie dolls. As stated in the article, Target will simply no longer have a big sign overhead saying boy toys and girl toys, nor color code their isle blue and pink.
Mate watch out Chaos is the Man...he will get upset, take a fit and ban you. Complete immature.
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Do you think keeping them seperated is confusing anyone? Or maybe, just maybe, it makes it easier for people buying the toys to find what they're looking for for their son/daughter/neice/nephew?Really, I'm going to sift through shittons of GIJoe to find a Barbie for my neices birthday or maybe as a store trying to sell products they would have a specific area so I could find what I'm looking for with ease? And who's telling kids they can't play with certain toys because of what area of the store they are in? You PC fucks sure like to make huge jumps in your conclusions. ::)
Another dog-wagging tail.
Unbelievable how so few can dictate so much to so many. This is the shit that infuriates most - it ain't what goes into their mouths, it's what comes out.
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these problems didn't exist in the gid'ol days, before all the fancy pancy technological scientific blood sampling hokkus pokkus!
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Another dog-wagging tail.
Unbelievable how so few can dictate so much to so many. This is the shit that infuriates most - it ain't what goes into their mouths, it's what comes out.
Chaos is confusing himself in his post he don´t need help to look stupid.
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Chaos is confusing himself in his post he don´t need help to look stupid.
Please.
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Please.
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Btw, Tim where do you get your info from since you say that I repeat Fox and Drudge.
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Why do people have to conplain about everything.i could give a shit about anything like this.It just doesnt make sense to me.
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Why do people have to conplain about everything.i could give a shit about anything like this.It just doesnt make sense to me.
Complain about the gender distinction or the store's new policy?
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do you really think putting all toys together, not having a "girl toys" section and a "boy toys" section is really going to confuse kids? That kids need to be told "No you can't play with that toy because it is not gender stereotype appropriate" ?
I think people dislike you because you repeat Fox/Drudge talking points without any critical thinking on your part. The hate you spew towards the president and other Democratic leaders is not indication of someone with a small c conservative point of view.
I sometimes wonder if the Coach actually reads the links he posts. Toy's are toys. When I was going up, I don't remember toy's being labeled by sections - girls toys and boy's toys. Obviously most toy stores display dolls in one area and trucks or action figures in another. Toy's are often labeled on the packaging as to what age range they commonly fit. Can't see where that's discrimination.
The other poster posted photos of gender neutral clothing supposedly from Target with no link to the source, therefore I suspect it is bullshit.
Most likely it is the parents or adults who pay for toys and clothes. I they want they can direct kids to what they consider appropriate. Most kids want the toys their playmates have anyway.
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What you call critical thinking I call commonsense. BtW, I rarely get my info from either all though I do read it. No Tim, my "info" isn't from online or even reading about it.
If your information isn't from online (internet and television) or reading about it, where do you get it? Do you hang out in the kiddies toy department at Target, interviewing the kids there?
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I sometimes wonder if the Coach actually reads the links he posts. Toy's are toys. When I was going up, I don't remember toy's being labeled by sections - girls toys and boy's toys. Obviously most toy stores display dolls in one area and trucks or action figures in another. Toy's are often labeled on the packaging as to what age range they commonly fit. Can't see where that's discrimination.
The other poster posted photos of gender neutral clothing supposedly from Target with no link to the source, therefore I suspect it is bullshit.
Most likely it is the parents or adults who pay for toys and clothes. I they want they can direct kids to what they consider appropriate. Most kids want the toys their playmates have anyway.
Little boy'd be equally happy with a Barbie or football then? Girl's cool with soldiers and toy trucks?
Really?
Normal kids, I mean.
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Two developmental psychologists (who were husband and wife) made observations of their own kids regarding gender stereotypes. These observations were done by them in the 70's, before all the PC stuff. The husband and wife attempted to raise their son and daughter from an early age in an a "neutral" home: meaning, they would not decorate their sons or daughters room according to specific colors or buy them specific toys according to their sex (boys get trucks, girls get dolls). Again, this had nothing to do with PC, as this "study" was conducted in the 70's (it wasnt really a study, just observations made by a husband and wife about their kids). The husband and wife specialized in researching gender roles and sterotypes, etc. They soon began to realize that, despite their attempts to raise their children (a boy and girl) in a neutral home, their son still preferred blue and still chose trucks, and their daughter preferred pink and chose dolls. Obviously, this was not a controlled study, but it does indicate that perhaps there is something very inherent that predisposes boys and girls for certain colors and toys. Via research, we already know there are distinct differences between the ways that men and women process language, emotions, cognitions, etc. But we also know via research, that both boys and girls play with toys that are made for both boys and girls. Growing up, I played "house" with the girls on my block--played with teapots and shit like that. It had no negative effect on me, besides posting on getbig. At the end of the day, its probably best to just let your child choose the toy he or she wants to play with, instead of forcing them to play or not play with a specific toy.
At the end of the day, your kid is going to pick out the toy he or she wants to, independent if its in the boys or girls section. Its what they are interested in.
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And........a boring, off topic, Alzheimer's PrimePedo post brings another thread to an end
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Little boy'd be equally happy with a Barbie or football then? Girl's cool with soldiers and toy trucks?
Really?
Normal kids, I mean.
Your reading comprehension is a bit off. I neither said nor implied what boys and girls would be cool playing with.
Who determines what is a normal kid, you?
Like I said kids want what toys their playmates have. When my son was a little kid, he was fascinated with the small army figures. He had several dozen of them which he'd use to set up dioramas in the back yard during the summer. In the winter he'd move them back to his room and do the same. My daughter liked dolls and stuffed animals, her room was full of them. As parents, we didn't direct our kids to want those toys, their friends might have though.
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Two developmental psychologists (who were husband and wife) made observations of their own kids regarding gender stereotypes. These observations were done by them in the 70's, before all the PC stuff. The husband and wife attempted to raise their son and daughter from an early age in an a "neutral" home: meaning, they would not decorate their sons or daughters room according to specific colors or buy them specific toys according to their sex (boys get trucks, girls get dolls). Again, this had nothing to do with PC, as this "study" was conducted in the 70's (it wasnt really a study, just observations made by a husband and wife about their kids). The husband and wife specialized in researching gender roles and sterotypes, etc. They soon began to realize that, despite their attempts to raise their children (a boy and girl) in a neutral home, their son still preferred blue and still chose trucks, and their daughter preferred pink and chose dolls. Obviously, this was not a controlled study, but it does indicate that perhaps there is something very inherent that predisposes boys and girls for certain colors and toys. Via research, we already know there are distinct differences between the ways that men and women process language, emotions, cognitions, etc. But we also know via research, that both boys and girls play with toys that are made for both boys and girls. Growing up, I played "house" with the girls on my block--played with teapots and shit like that. It had no negative effect on me, besides posting on getbig. At the end of the day, its probably best to just let your child choose the toy he or she wants to play with, instead of forcing them to play or not play with a specific toy.
At the end of the day, your kid is going to pick out the toy he or she wants to, independent if its in the boys or girls section. Its what they are interested in.
It is good to see someone intelligent and knowledgeable weighs in here. In my experience as a kid, parent and grandparent, what this couple in the 70's observed is what I saw too.
When my son hung out with the girl who lived behind us he sometimes play "house" with her and she'd occasionally play army stuff with him. My daughter tried to get her teenaged brother and his friends to play "Barbie" with her. She was unsuccessful. His buddies and he were too occupied the game, Dungeons and Dragons to be bothered with her.
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It is good to see someone intelligent and knowledgeable weighs in here. In my experience as a kid, parent and grandparent, what this couple in the 70's observed is what I saw too.
When my son hung out with the girl who lived behind us he sometimes play "house" with her and she'd occasionally play army stuff with him. My daughter tried to get her teenaged brother and his friends to play "Barbie" with her. She was unsuccessful. His buddies and he were too occupied the game, Dungeons and Dragons to be bothered with her.
Its really all about the context. When I worked in an Early Head Start school with children 3-5, I observed the boys play house with the girls. It was not uncommon. It was also not uncommon for the girls to play with the toys that were more designated for boys.
However, as children get older, 6-12, they begin to start hanging out with more of the same sex (boys will stick with boys and girls with stick with girls--at this stage, the opposite sex has cooties). Thus, if a boy has predominantly male friends, he will play with male toys.
But as I stated above, when they were 3-5, and there was no distinction (they all played together), I noticed that all of the boys would play house, then go play with blocks and trucks, then get bored, and go back over to the house area. Children this age RARELY picked one specific toy to play with. The gender gap between girls and boys toys seems to grow larger the more they starting hanging out with their own sex more.
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Mate watch out Chaos is the Man...he will get upset, take a fit and ban you. Complete immature.
Unlike you, most here can have back and forth banter without getting their panties in a bunch. You on the other hand completely melt down, send threats and talk your online friends into starting threads for you. Other guys, like timfogarty can have brutal discussions with name calling and insults and be over it in a matter of minutes.
Maybe you should log off getbig and focus on saving what's left of your rapidly deteriating body? :-\
Two developmental psychologists (who were husband and wife) made observations of their own kids regarding gender stereotypes. These observations were done by them in the 70's, before all the PC stuff. The husband and wife attempted to raise their son and daughter from an early age in an a "neutral" home: meaning, they would not decorate their sons or daughters room according to specific colors or buy them specific toys according to their sex (boys get trucks, girls get dolls). Again, this had nothing to do with PC, as this "study" was conducted in the 70's (it wasnt really a study, just observations made by a husband and wife about their kids). The husband and wife specialized in researching gender roles and sterotypes, etc. They soon began to realize that, despite their attempts to raise their children (a boy and girl) in a neutral home, their son still preferred blue and still chose trucks, and their daughter preferred pink and chose dolls. Obviously, this was not a controlled study, but it does indicate that perhaps there is something very inherent that predisposes boys and girls for certain colors and toys. Via research, we already know there are distinct differences between the ways that men and women process language, emotions, cognitions, etc. But we also know via research, that both boys and girls play with toys that are made for both boys and girls. Growing up, I played "house" with the girls on my block--played with teapots and shit like that. It had no negative effect on me, besides posting on getbig. At the end of the day, its probably best to just let your child choose the toy he or she wants to play with, instead of forcing them to play or not play with a specific toy.
At the end of the day, your kid is going to pick out the toy he or she wants to, independent if its in the boys or girls section. Its what they are interested in.
You let one set of peoples "observations" dictate your opinion here but need peer reviewed studies to form your opinion in other cases? Intersting. 8)
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Chaos you are a charlitan on the Training thread and not forthcoming in your so called "duties" as a mod. It shows your lack of character referring to my "failing body".
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Chaos you are a charlitan on the Training thread and not forthcoming in your so called "duties" as a mod. It shows your lack of character referring to my "failing body".
1) Describe how I'm a "charlitan"
2) I follow all rules in my duties as a mod.
3) Lack of character? Did I say something untrue? Something you didn't want spoken about?
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Unlike you, most here can have back and forth banter without getting their panties in a bunch. You on the other hand completely melt down, send threats and talk your online friends into starting threads for you. Other guys, like timfogarty can have brutal discussions with name calling and insults and be over it in a matter of minutes.
Maybe you should log off getbig and focus on saving what's left of your rapidly deteriating body? :-\
You let one set of peoples "observations" dictate your opinion here but need peer reviewed studies to form your opinion in other cases? Intersting. 8)
Nice trolling, cone head. I only pointed to that study because it was pretty much a groundbreaking observation for the field at the time, and quite interesting because it was done by a husband and wife. There are plenty of peer reviewed studies that back up what I say.
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1) Describe how I'm a "charlitan"
2) I follow all rules in my duties as a mod.
3) Lack of character? Did I say something untrue? Something you didn't want spoken about?
you are too easy, Pelious(however you spell it, guess he was banned) was correct.
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Nice trolling, cone head. I only pointed to that study because it was pretty much a groundbreaking observation for the field at the time, and quite interesting because it was done by a husband and wife. There are plenty of peer reviewed studies that back up what I say.
Was it a study or an observation? I confuzed.
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you are too easy, Pelious(however you spell it, guess he was banned) was correct.
That's a subtle way to admit defeat. You are dismissed. 8)
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That's a subtle way to admit defeat. You are dismissed. 8)
you are melting big time chaos
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I don't think the term "meltdown" means the same thing to everyone.
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Was it a study or an observation? I confuzed.
I misspoke. It was purely observations--from what I know, it was not made into a study. But there are peer reviewed studies based on what I said.
Also, as a side note, observations can be studies. There are many studies that use observation for data collection. Its called Observational Research.
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I misspoke. It was purely observations--from what I know, it was not made into a study. But there are peer reviewed studies based on what I said.
Also, as a side note, observations can be studies. There are many studies that use observation for data collection. Its called Observational Research.
I'd like to Observationally Research you!
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I'd like to Observationally Research you!
Go into more detail.
Can Donny be a part of it?
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Go into more detail.
Can Donny be a part of it?
Donny can count the number of times you adjust your nutsack. Well as long as you don't do it more than 10 times, for 3 sets.
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you are melting big time chaos
The other thread has been cleaned up out of internet respect for a competitor.
Listen you are a useless, noncontributing poster here and I had a short PM (private message) conversation with another poster, who obviously shared it with you (so much for being private and you want to challenge my character?) And disappointed I am, I didn't think he'd be so easily intimidated and coerced by someone like you that he would follow along blindly. I guess I was proven wrong.
Oh and I know what you've been up to "behind the scenes", you should be ashamed of yourself!!
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Donny can count the number of times you adjust your nutsack. Well as long as you don't do it more than 10 times, for 3 sets.
never seen any other mod on here act like you
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chaos as i wrote before i see you as a very immature man who lives his life in a very simple manner. I do not see you as a threat as such. just a bug i want to swat at times. Fact is you should be replaced on the training section as i doubt if you were really in shape in your life. If you resort to writing BS like in your last sentence then you really are clutching at straws.
Let's see your in shape pics. Let's see anything at all to prove you even lift. You're just another fat, out of shape "personal trainer" that got a certificate. ::)
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never seen any other mod on here act like you
So?
Like I told VinceB when he was whining about my posts, if someone posts your personal info and I see it, I'll delete it and ban that person. I knw you can't discern the difference between messing around and doing the right thing, but I can. 8)
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Let's see your in shape pics. Let's see anything at all to prove you even lift. You're just another fat, out of shape "personal trainer" that got a certificate. ::)
so you are in shape chaos? i have a pic of you with ..well it looks like a rubbish tip behind you. Not in a Gym but in a Basement.
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I sometimes wonder if the Coach actually reads the links he posts. Toy's are toys. When I was going up, I don't remember toy's being labeled by sections - girls toys and boy's toys. Obviously most toy stores display dolls in one area and trucks or action figures in another. Toy's are often labeled on the packaging as to what age range they commonly fit. Can't see where that's discrimination.
The other poster posted photos of gender neutral clothing supposedly from Target with no link to the source, therefore I suspect it is bullshit.
Most likely it is the parents or adults who pay for toys and clothes. I they want they can direct kids to what they consider appropriate. Most kids want the toys their playmates have anyway.
You were probably buying the dolls anyway
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So?
Like I told VinceB when he was whining about my posts, if someone posts your personal info and I see it, I'll delete it and ban that person. I knw you can't discern the difference between messing around and doing the right thing, but I can. 8)
no you act like a kid.. you get upset and you have to show your mod power ::) Just embarrassing man.
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all the GI Joes are together and all the Barbies are together. But they both may be in the doll isle. The boy dolls are not necessarily with the boy trucks and the boy balls. Girls sports equipment is with the boys sports equipment, not with the barbie dolls. As stated in the article, Target will simply no longer have a big sign overhead saying boy toys and girl toys, nor color code their isle blue and pink.
I'm guessing all the confused weirdos like yourself will be shopping at Targay from now on.
Until you deservedly die of AIDS, of course.
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Two developmental psychologists (who were husband and wife) made observations of their own kids regarding gender stereotypes. These observations were done by them in the 70's, before all the PC stuff. The husband and wife attempted to raise their son and daughter from an early age in an a "neutral" home: meaning, they would not decorate their sons or daughters room according to specific colors or buy them specific toys according to their sex (boys get trucks, girls get dolls). Again, this had nothing to do with PC, as this "study" was conducted in the 70's (it wasnt really a study, just observations made by a husband and wife about their kids). The husband and wife specialized in researching gender roles and sterotypes, etc. They soon began to realize that, despite their attempts to raise their children (a boy and girl) in a neutral home, their son still preferred blue and still chose trucks, and their daughter preferred pink and chose dolls. Obviously, this was not a controlled study, but it does indicate that perhaps there is something very inherent that predisposes boys and girls for certain colors and toys. Via research, we already know there are distinct differences between the ways that men and women process language, emotions, cognitions, etc. But we also know via research, that both boys and girls play with toys that are made for both boys and girls. Growing up, I played "house" with the girls on my block--played with teapots and shit like that. It had no negative effect on me, besides posting on getbig. At the end of the day, its probably best to just let your child choose the toy he or she wants to play with, instead of forcing them to play or not play with a specific toy.
At the end of the day, your kid is going to pick out the toy he or she wants to, independent if its in the boys or girls section. Its what they are interested in.
No. Tim Fogarty knows better.
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no you act like a kid.. you get upset and you have to show your mod power ::) Just embarrassing man.
Really? Out of all the shit talking posts thrown at chaos, what have I deleted? Who have I banned? Seems like there's only one poster here throwing a temper tantrum, acting like a kid cause he was removed as the first poster for abusing his ability to mod his own threads, then runs to his "friends" to convince them not to post in that thread anymore and start a new one "out of chaos' reach"......lol. ;D
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Really? Out of all the shit talking posts thrown at chaos, what have I deleted? Who have I banned? Seems like there's only one poster here throwing a temper tantrum, acting like a kid cause he was removed as the first poster for abusing his ability to mod his own threads, then runs to his "friends" to convince them not to post in that thread anymore and start a new one "out of chaos' reach"......lol. ;D
You were a lot less of a bitch when you were just a regular poster.
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If your information isn't from online (internet and television) or reading about it, where do you get it? Do you hang out in the kiddies toy department at Target, interviewing the kids there?
Easy there old guy. I was talking about politics in general.
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lie, intentionally mislead
You blatantly do both.
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You were a lot less of a bitch when you were just a regular poster.
After careful consideration of your post and your proven deep love and commitment towards getbig, I've decided to take your advice......and shove it up your ass. :-*
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Really? Out of all the shit talking posts thrown at chaos, what have I deleted? Who have I banned? Seems like there's only one poster here throwing a temper tantrum, acting like a kid cause he was removed as the first poster for abusing his ability to mod his own threads, then runs to his "friends" to convince them not to post in that thread anymore and start a new one "out of chaos' reach"......lol. ;D
These people you talk off are well above your intelligence, secondly the fact that people posted in another thread on another board says it all about you being..well just you.
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These people you talk off are well above your intelligence, secondly the fact that people posted in another thread on another board says it all about you being..well just you.
People posted in another thread on another board cause they didn't want to hear your shit, true story. I'll let you figure out which ones PM'd me. :D :-*
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all the GI Joes are together and all the Barbies are together. But they both may be in the doll isle. The boy dolls are not necessarily with the boy trucks and the boy balls. Girls sports equipment is with the boys sports equipment, not with the barbie dolls. As stated in the article, Target will simply no longer have a big sign overhead saying boy toys and girl toys, nor color code their isle blue and pink.
You don't have children, do you?
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You don't have children, do you?
He's a polesmoker...which is even worse than being a bodybuilding groupie... totally unfit to raise children.
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I think Donny has a crush on Chaos.
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I think Donny has a crush on Chaos.
I wonder how many pics of me he has on his computer. :-\
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I wonder how many pics of me he has on his computer. :-\
Not as many as me you sexy beast.
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Not as many as me you sexy beast.
:-[
What part of "our little secret" didn't you understand? >:(
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No wonder why kids are going to be more screwed up than ever. I wonder how many customers actually complained....none?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-07/target-removes-gender-labels-from-kids-sections-after-complaints
And in the same reality few years earlier: " The monkey research, conducted with two different species in 2002 and 2008, strongly suggested a biological explanation for children's toy preferences. In recent years, the question has become: How and why does biology make males (be they monkey or human) prefer trucks, and females, dolls?" Short version: When baby monkey has chance to choose from children's toys, female monkey will take a doll and male monkey will take a car. What this means is that this modern stupidity is against nature, and therefore potentially harmful at it's best. Instead of giving children possibility to choose, we make choosing more difficult by hiding gender labels, which has been as a guide from beginning of the mankind. Gee, I wonder why homosexuality is spreading so fast.. ;D
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Your reading comprehension is a bit off. I neither said nor implied what boys and girls would be cool playing with.
Who determines what is a normal kid, you?
Like I said kids want what toys their playmates have. When my son was a little kid, he was fascinated with the small army figures. He had several dozen of them which he'd use to set up dioramas in the back yard during the summer. In the winter he'd move them back to his room and do the same. My daughter liked dolls and stuffed animals, her room was full of them. As parents, we didn't direct our kids to want those toys, their friends might have though.
Humanity, society, culture, history, tradition, family, statistics, etc. You truly have no understanding of "normal"?
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It country is finally going den the drain or toliet rather, it's one big diarrhea dump swirling around being sucked into the sewer of liberal political correct shit.
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No. Tim Fogarty knows better.
You really don't get it, do you? I agree completely with the study from the 70s, and with people comments here about their kids and grandkids. Most boys will gravitate towards boy toys, and most girls will gravitate towards girl toys. But most is not all.
Do you want a child to feel shamed by a department store sign telling them the toys they like are not for their gender?
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Humanity, society, culture, history, tradition, family, statistics, etc. You truly have no understanding of "normal"?
is it ok to not be normal? Do you want everyone to like the exact same things, feel the exact same things, think the exact same way?
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You really don't get it, do you? I agree completely with the study from the 70s, and with people comments here about their kids and grandkids. Most boys will gravitate towards boy toys, and most girls will gravitate towards girl toys. But most is not all.
Do you want a child to feel shamed by a department store sign telling them the toys they like are not for their gender?
But its not the departments stores "job" to dictate if a child should or should not feel uncomfortable. Department stores are there for one reason: to sell merchandise.
Its the parents job to explain to their children why its okay to play with toys that a girl may also play with or vice versa. The parents can easily sit down with the child and explain why there are signs indicating boys and girls toys, and that its okay if a boy wants a toy from the girls section or vice versa.
Just my 2 cents.
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is it ok to not be normal? Do you want everyone to like the exact same things, feel the exact same things, think the exact same way?
Tim, here's a fact. As much you'd like to think that gay, blacks and the transgendered are being discriminated against, they're not any more discriminated against than anyone else. I don't care (as most) if you're gay or transgendered. That being said why does the gay community feel it's their duty to push it on EVERYONE? I've told you this before. I have gay friends that can't even figure this out. For the record, unlike some on here I've never called you a name or disrespected your position.
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is it ok to not be normal? Do you want everyone to like the exact same things, feel the exact same things, think the exact same way?
Where did I suggest otherwise? Is it ok to be normal? Is it ok to admit abnormal exists?
Funny, seems your people are the ones who want everyone to think the exact same way.
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great thread....Round two today.... 8)
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Tim, here's a fact. As much you'd like to think that gay, blacks and the transgendered are being discriminated against, they're not any more discriminated against than anyone else. I don't care (as most) if you're gay or transgendered. That being said why does the gay community feel it's their duty to push it on EVERYONE? I've told you this before. I have gay friends that can't even figure this out. For the record, unlike some on here I've never called you a name or disrespected your position.
The Coach making some sense in this thread.
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it's actually pretty retarded to label a toy as for girls or for boys only. Goddam customers should know what theirs kids want for toys. Shouldn't they? :-\ On the same level of retardation, there is the for men/women labeling of clothes. How retard is that?
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You really don't get it, do you? I agree completely with the study from the 70s, and with people comments here about their kids and grandkids. Most boys will gravitate towards boy toys, and most girls will gravitate towards girl toys. But most is not all.
Do you want a child to feel shamed by a department store sign telling them the toys they like are not for their gender?
Yes.
men and women are not and will never be the same.
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Yes.
men and women are not and will never be the same.
Well, there are demonstrable differences between men and women in the way we process language, emotions, cognitions, etc. And, of course, this may have some influence on toy selection.
But, really, most young children play with boy boy and girls toys. As I stated previously, most young boys play "house" with young girls. Its not uncommon at all.
I, for one, see no point in reorganizing Target because a few people complained.
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Tim, here's a fact. As much you'd like to think that gay, blacks and the transgendered are being discriminated against, they're not any more discriminated against than anyone else.
Discrimination in America is non-existent?
Or it still happens for some groups (women?) but no longer for blacks or homosexuals?
What year/decade did these 2 groups stop being discriminated against?
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Discrimination in America is non-existent?
Here we go again 240, where did I ever say or suggest that ?
Or it still happens for some groups (women?) but no longer for blacks or homosexuals?
What year/decade did these 2 groups stop being discriminated against?
Enough with the spin. Makes you look bad.
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But its not the departments stores "job" to dictate if a child should or should not feel uncomfortable. Department stores are there for one reason: to sell merchandise.
Its the parents job to explain to their children why its okay to play with toys that a girl may also play with or vice versa. The parents can easily sit down with the child and explain why there are signs indicating boys and girls toys, and that its okay if a boy wants a toy from the girls section or vice versa.
Just my 2 cents.
Boom....that's the answer right there.
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To play Devils Advocate, but I can easily say that people with visual, intellectual, or sensory problems/disabilities may find it difficult to discriminate amongst boy-girls toys if they are sort of lumped in the same category. For example, we know people with autism prefer things to be organized very specifically. When they are not, it causes them severe distress. Having boy and girl toys mixed together may interfere with the typical patterns that people with autism associate with certain genders. Or if there are no signs, people with sensory problems (visual) may find it more difficult finding certain toys, if there is not a sign that says "boy toys." If all the toys are lumped together, they may find it difficult to discriminate between a boy and girl toy. For MANY people, having things specifically categorized makes life easier, especially those with some sort of intellectual or sensory deficit. I can definitely see how mixing boy and girl toys together can make it difficult for someone who is intellectually challenged.
So, its totally okay for Target to do this, without due regard for how it may affect other people? Hmmmm. Seems like these people who are bitching and moaning have no heart for how it may affect other people. But, thats okay, because they got their way.
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Boom....that's the answer right there.
I do what I can. :D :D
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Do you want a child to feel shamed by a department store sign telling them the toys they like are not for their gender?
Do you feel shame when you see signs posted for mens/womens clothing?
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Do you feel shame when you see signs posted for mens/womens clothing?
Chaos for the win.
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Chaos for the win.
This is just another case of the silent majority giving in to the vocal minority.
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This is just another case of the silent majority giving in to the vocal minority.
Always that way.
There is always someone being butthurt over nothing.
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You really don't get it, do you? I agree completely with the study from the 70s, and with people comments here about their kids and grandkids. Most boys will gravitate towards boy toys, and most girls will gravitate towards girl toys. But most is not all.
Do you want a child to feel shamed by a department store sign telling them the toys they like are not for their gender?
Feel "shamed" by that?
???
Maybe you could explain what you mean.
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Do you feel shame when you see signs posted for mens/womens clothing?
If he were capable of feeling shame he wouldn't suck dongs.
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You were probably buying the dolls anyway
Probably not. At that age I didn't have money to buy anything. I'm old, remember? When little kids wanted something back then, their parents bought it for them, if they chose to. I have a scar on the bottom of my chin from an early mishap with a metal Tonka truck. Guess that is what I played with. The dolls came later. ;D
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Easy there old guy. I was talking about politics in general.
Oh my mistake. The tread appeared to be about kids, toys and Target. I did not notice the posts regarding politics. Next time, I'll try an keep up.
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Humanity, society, culture, history, tradition, family, statistics, etc. You truly have no understanding of "normal"?
I guess now I have an understanding of what you think is normal.
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This thread is very appropriately titled. It is full with examples of feelings and opinions that never end.
I'll check back later. I have to go play with my dolls now.
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This thread is very appropriately titled. It is full with examples of feelings and opinions that never end.
I'll check back later. I have to go play with my Action figures now.
Fixed ;D
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Beta-ass Target.
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But its not the departments stores "job" to dictate if a child should or should not feel uncomfortable. Department stores are there for one reason: to sell merchandise.
Yes, it is. Just because their job is to sell merchandise doesn't mean that everyone is mandated to buy it. So, part of their job in selling the merchandise is making sure their customer base is feels comfortable with how it is sold to them. Why do you think these corporations spend billions on marketing? It's no different than a restaurant chain tauting its food as responsibly raised.
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To play Devils Advocate, but I can easily say that people with visual, intellectual, or sensory problems/disabilities may find it difficult to discriminate amongst boy-girls toys if they are sort of lumped in the same category. For example, we know people with autism prefer things to be organized very specifically. When they are not, it causes them severe distress. Having boy and girl toys mixed together may interfere with the typical patterns that people with autism associate with certain genders. Or if there are no signs, people with sensory problems (visual) may find it more difficult finding certain toys, if there is not a sign that says "boy toys." If all the toys are lumped together, they may find it difficult to discriminate between a boy and girl toy. For MANY people, having things specifically categorized makes life easier, especially those with some sort of intellectual or sensory deficit. I can definitely see how mixing boy and girl toys together can make it difficult for someone who is intellectually challenged.
So, its totally okay for Target to do this, without due regard for how it may affect other people? Hmmmm. Seems like these people who are bitching and moaning have no heart for how it may affect other people. But, thats okay, because they got their way.
Organizing toys by gender is slightly less arbitrary than randomly placing them around the store, so it likely wouldn't be of help to anyone with sensory or developmental disabilities.
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Let's mix all the cat and dog foods together. Pet equality FTW!!!
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Let's mix all the cat and dog foods together. Pet equality FTW!!!
Good Point ! ;D
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Let's mix all the cat and dog foods together. Pet equality FTW!!!
Where do you shop where dog and cat foods are in different aisles? ???
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Yes, it is. Just because their job is to sell merchandise doesn't mean that everyone is mandated to buy it. So, part of their job in selling the merchandise is making sure their customer base is feels comfortable with how it is sold to them. Why do you think these corporations spend billions on marketing? It's no different than a restaurant chain tauting its food as responsibly raised.
No, it's not their "job." They do it to make sales. But it's really not their "duty." We hold a higher expectation of parents to make their children feel comfortable. That is an inevitable part of a parents job. It is not inevitable that a department store is mandated to make you feel comfortable-it's a byproduct of them wanting to see items. Society doesn't place the comfort and care of children in the department stores hands. It's placed in the parents hands. So, no, it's not the department stores job to make you feel comfortable.
There is a greater expectation in society that parents will make their kids feel comfortable. Heck, to a certain extent, it's expected by law-certain actions that are deemed extremely inappropriate may involve jail time. There is no such standards for department stores. I've been in stores that are total shit holes. Again, it's not the job of a department store to make a kid feel comfortable.
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Organizing toys by gender is slightly less arbitrary than randomly placing them around the store, so it likely wouldn't be of help to anyone with sensory or developmental disabilities.
Saying it likely won't have an effect is entirely different than saying it won't.
Unless you can provide evidence of your claim?
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No, it's not their "job." They do it to make sales.
So , you just said this a few posts back:
Department stores are there for one reason: to sell merchandise.
So,it is either their job to sell merchandise or it's not.
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Saying it likely won't have an effect is entirely different than saying it won't.
Unless you can provide evidence of your claim?
Considering this was in response to you explicitly saying you were playing "devil's advocate" to a position even Target didn't put forward, what kind of evidence are you expecting? Is this even a position that anyone besides you has suggested? The toys are still in the store in the toy section. No one who finds a section of traditionally girl-focused dolls and traditionally boy-focused action figures in the same aisle is going to suddenly become confused about what they want to purchase because of their close proximity to each other. If they can't figure it out from there, a gender specific sign is not going to help much.
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At this moment, every WWII vet who fought and died for this country is rolling over in their grave. From a nation of heroes to a nation of pussies in 70 years. Congrats America!
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So , you just said this a few posts back:
So,it is either their job to sell merchandise or it's not.
Well, see thats the difference. Its their job to sell merchandise to stay in business, but its not their job to make you feel comfortable. To a great extent, making you feel comfortable is secondary to you buying merchandise, since Ive been in shitty stores and purchased items.
However, for parents, love and comfort are not secondary. Its primary. According to societal standards, its the job of parents to provide love, comfort and support to their children. This is not an option. In certain cases, when the opposite happens, authorities are involved. We don't place the comfort and care of children in department stores hands.
So, at the end of the day, no, its not their jobs, in the same way that its the parents jobs to provide love and comfort to their children. The standards of care are demonstrably different.
Sorry, you're not going to win this one. I actually can't believe I am even debating this point with you. :-\ :-\
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If a kid goes into a store for a GI Joe and comes out with a Barbie then the scene is already set.
He didnt get it by mistake.
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Parents blame the pavement when their kids scape their knees. ::)
Chances are the individuals who raised so much shit about this issue don't even have kids.
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Well, see thats the difference. Its their job to sell merchandise to stay in business, but its not their job to make you feel comfortable. To a great extent, making you feel comfortable is secondary to you buying merchandise, since Ive been in shitty stores and purchased items.
However, for parents, love and comfort are not secondary. Its primary. According to societal standards, its the job of parents to provide love, comfort and support to their children. This is not an option. In certain cases, when the opposite happens, authorities are involved. We don't place the comfort and care of children in department stores hands.
So, at the end of the day, no, its not their jobs, in the same way that its the parents jobs to provide love and comfort to their children. The standards of care are demonstrably different.
No one else has said that it is a department store's job to love and comfort a child "in the same way" as a parent. That is a comparison that YOU introduced. Different retailers have different goals, but for most -and for Target specifically- creating a welcoming, comfortable environment that encourages sales is a major goal. Even if, as you said above, it is a secondary goal, it is still a goal. There's no getting around that. No one else is making the argument that a department store has to behave like parents, but it is reasonable and expected that they behave in a way that fosters moving merchandise and not turning off their clientele.
Sorry, you're not going to win this one.
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No one else has said that it is a department store's job to love and comfort a child "in the same way" as a parent. That is a comparison that YOU introduced. Different retailers have different goals, but for most -and for Target specifically- creating a welcoming, comfortable environment that encourages sales is a major goal. Even if, as you said above, it is a secondary goal, it is still a goal. There's no getting around that. No one else is making the argument that a department store has to behave like parents, but it is reasonable and expected that they behave in a way that fosters moving merchandise and not turning off their clientele.
Well, I am sorry, but if you were too fucking stupid to realize that in my first post there was an obvious demonstrable difference between the comfort a parent provides when compared to a department, then you, sir, are fucking stupid. Two other posters were able to make the distinction.
No, shit, department stores want to make you feel comfortable to sell you merchandise. ::) ::)
But at the end of the day, the sole care and comfort of children is solely the parents responsibility. Again, if you couldn't initially discern this, like two other posters did, then you certainly are not the "sharpest tool in the shed."
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Where do you shop where dog and cat foods are in different aisles? ???
PetSmart ???
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Well, I am sorry, but if you were too fucking stupid to realize that in my first post there was an obvious demonstrable difference between the comfort a parent provides when compared to a department, then you, sir, are fucking stupid. Two other posters were able to make the distinction.
No, shit, department stores want to make you feel comfortable to sell you merchandise. ::) ::)
But at the end of the day, the sole care and comfort of children is solely the parents responsibility. Again, if you couldn't initially discern this, like two other posters did, then you certainly are not the "sharpest tool in the shed."
::) You're the one who just re-iterated the "department stores aren't parents" thing in your last post. I guess you have a problem keeping track of the nonsense you write.
I guess where you are confusing yourself is by making this a kids issue and focusing on whether or not the store should have a parental relationship to kids who are in the store. Just think of the kid as a customer. A regular customer. Is it the store's job to create a comfortable experience for the customer?Yes. Is it required by law or child protective services? NO. No one said that either. ::)
The simple fact of the matter is that it is reasonable and expected that a store would adjust their policies if if it became clear that they were somehow alienating a portion of the buying public to whom they wanted to appeal. You are veering all over the place making a completely nonsensical argument pretending that isn't the case.
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PetSmart ???
Hmmm... the Petopia across the street from us has all the catfood and dog food in the same aisle. So do all of the grocery stores. I can't think of any place i've ever shopped where the cat food and dog food are not in the same aisles.
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Where do you shop where dog and cat foods are in different aisles? ???
PetCo. and Petsmart have the entire store segregated; Half dog, half cat and other pets.
Even my walmart has a dog aisle and a separate cat aisle.
When I take my dog into Petsmart, he gets disgruntled because I won't let him look at the items on the cat aisles. I should raise a stink about the situation.
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my new "super" target has one of those "ambigious" bathrooms right in the middle between the crowded mens and crowded womens room. I always use it. I could care less if people think I'm a dude or a very clever female wearing a beard and some muscle. I don't have to wait and the place is always sparkling clean. I'm all for the ambiguous potty thing.
As for clothes, any parent with mutliple children/neices/nephews already knows that clothes go from boys to girls and vice versa, pretty commonly, when kids outgrow, when you're out of shirts at the water park, when it's laundry day, etc. not saying I'd put a boy in a pink "#Fabulous" t-shirt like I put my nieces in, but yea, a minecraft shift is pretty unisex.
Lots of whining about shit while Boehnner and the repubs in congress collude with obama to get the national debt to 20 trillion before he leaves office. #actualshitthatmatters
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If I got to Toys R Us today, will there be separate aiisled and shelves for boys/girls toys?
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If I got to Toys R Us today, will there be separate aiisled and shelves for boys/girls toys?
Yes and also ones labeled Boys who feel they were born girls in aisle 5 and girls who feel they were born boys in aisle 6 and boys who feel an attraction to other boys but feel ashamed in aisle 9 and girls who are attracted to other girls but feel ashamed in aisle 69.
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Yes and also ones labeled Boys who feel they were born girls in aisle 5 and girls who feel they were born boys in aisle 6 and boys who feel an attraction to other boys but feel ashamed in aisle 9 and girls who are attracted to other girls but feel ashamed in aisle 69.
And Pellius in the bathroom waiting for a victim to wander in...
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And Pellius in the bathroom waiting for a victim to wander in...
Probably in Ben Gay/Busted Hymens, aisle 12.
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There's a young female mechanic I first noticed under a hoist while having my backhoe inspected for licensing. And I'm not telling tales when I say that she had her jumpsuit half off and tied by its sleeves around her hips, leaving only a greasy singlet to disguise this naked Venus of Urania Suprema. Natually, I did several of my best Reg Park impersonations right there in front of the manly yellow heavy equipment parked at a 28 degree angle to her pespective.
Bupkiss. She never looked over, not one time. Well, not that I saw. I had to occasionally hold the end of the tape measure for the inspection man which really threw off my posing. Is it gender unnatural that I'd like to take her to an art exhibition and discuss what each piece emotes in her, and then bring her home to find creative uses for a socket set with her?
Aw phooey. She doesn't even know I exist.
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There's a young female mechanic I first noticed under a hoist while having my backhoe inspected for licensing. And I'm not telling tales when I say that she had her jumpsuit half off and tied by its sleeves around her hips, leaving only a greasy singlet to disguise this naked Venus of Urania Suprema. Natually, I did several of my best Reg Park impersonations right there in front of the manly yellow heavy equipment parked at a 28 degree angle to her pespective.
Bupkiss. She never looked over, not one time. Well, not that I saw. I had to occasionally hold the end of the tape measure for the inspection man which really threw off my posing. Is it gender unnatural that I'd like to take her to an art exhibition and discuss what each piece emotes in her, and then bring her home to find creative uses for a socket set with her?
Aw phooey. She doesn't even know I exist.
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Ha! You found your Alex, bro. Be persistent.
What a feeling!
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Yea but not so ethnic. A sort of young blonde Geena Davis thing happening. I almost fell out of the operator's seat.
Currently conducting an analysis of motor oil formulations in preparation for our first conversation. It'll be like shooting fish.
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Yea but not so ethnic. A sort of young blonde Geena Davis thing happening. I almost fell out of the operator's seat.
Currently conducting an analysis of motor oil formulations in preparation for our first conversation. It'll be like shooting fish.
Shit, easy in.
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Fixed ;D
You can be a funny dude when you want to.
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Where do you shop where dog and cat foods are in different aisles? ???
Petco and PetSmart both separate dog and cat foods. In fact most pet stores do. Even Costco shelve their pet foods separately.
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Petco and PetSmart both separate dog and cat foods. In fact most pet stores do. Even Costco shelve their pet foods separately.
Any indication this upsets, offends, or otherwise makes uncomfortable trans-species pets?
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I read an article in the Oregonian regarding companies hiring special teams and providing training for working with transgendered employees. In Oregon, it is against the law to discriminate against transgendered employees and customers. This will likely become the law throughout the country.
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Any indication this upsets, offends, or otherwise makes uncomfortable trans-species pets?
When I take the dogs in these stores, they run to the cat food isles. I suspect they want to become cats. I told them that I'll have none of this crap! ;D
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I read an article in the Oregonian regarding companies hiring special teams and providing training for working with transgendered employees. In Oregon, it is against the law to discriminate against transgendered employees and customers. This will likely become the law throughout the country.
So it's presently legal to discriminate everywhere else?
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So it's presently legal to discriminate everywhere else?
I believe it is illegal to discriminate against transgendered people pretty much everywhere.
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I believe it is illegal to discriminate against transgendered people pretty much everywhere.
Of course, pretty much everyone's protected anymore.
... UNLESS the establishment has one of those little 'We reserve the right' signs, then all bets are off.
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I believe it is illegal to discriminate against transgendered people pretty much everywhere.
Nope. Perfectly legal to fire or not hire someone because of sexual orientation or gender identity in more than half of the US. Perfectly legal to deny housing or public accommodation too.
http://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/non_discrimination_laws
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Of course, pretty much everyone's protected anymore.
... UNLESS the establishment has one of those little 'We reserve the right' signs, then all bets are off.
The sign would likely do you no good in Oregon. A couple of years ago, a group of transsexuals would meet once a week in a straight bar. This had been going on for years. Suddenly the owner decided he want them to meet there any longer. As they were leaving, the owner politely asked them to find another place for their meetings. They filed a discrimination claim. Brad Avakian, Oregon's longtime Labor and Industries Commissioner, took on the case. The bar owner was found guilty and fined.
The Oregon Department of Justice has seized more than $16,000 from the owner of a shuttered North Portland bar out of $400,000 awarded in a discrimination case involving transgender patrons.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2015/04/state_seizes_money_in_case_of_1.html
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So it's presently legal to discriminate everywhere else?
I didn't say that it was. It is illegal in many other states. Some cities also have anti-discrimination laws as well.
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/transgender-people-and-law
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Nope. Perfectly legal to fire or not hire someone because of sexual orientation or gender identity in more than half of the US. Perfectly legal to deny housing or public accommodation too.
http://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps/non_discrimination_laws
Perfectly legal to have the free will to choose who you work with and rent to? Awesome!
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I didn't say that it was.
In Oregon, it is against the law to discriminate against transgendered employees and customers. This will likely become the law throughout the country.
Sure you did.
If it will BECOME law throughout the country then it obviously ISN'T presently.
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The sign would likely do you no good in Oregon. A couple of years ago, a group of transsexuals would meet once a week in a straight bar. This had been going on for years. Suddenly the owner decided he want them to meet there any longer. As they were leaving, the owner politely asked them to find another place for their meetings. They filed a discrimination claim. Brad Avakian, Oregon's longtime Labor and Industries Commissioner, took on the case. The bar owner was found guilty and fined.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2015/04/state_seizes_money_in_case_of_1.html
Incorrect. The sign works everywhere. Once it's properly displayed, you can just point at will and folks disappear. It's got supernatural powers or something.
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Incorrect. The sign works everywhere. Once it's properly displayed, you can just point at will and folks disappear. It's got supernatural powers or something.
It pays to do a little research before posting your disagreement. I did the research and this is what I found. Seems that rather than having supernatural powers, the sign is all but worthless when it comes to public establishments, such as restaurants, bars and hotels. You can point to the sign all day long and if the person or persons are in a protected class they don't need to disappear. Furthermore, if you refuse service, sign or no sign, you are subject to lawsuits and fines. The fines are often hefty enough that they will bankrupt some businesses. I both recent cases in Oregon, the businesses closed and have since gone bankrupt.
You’ve probably seen these signs at restaurants: “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” Or, “No shirt, no shoes, no service.” Which brings us back to the original restaurant signs. “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone” sounds vague and arbitrary. As we’ve seen, a business can’t just randomly refuse to serve someone.
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance
Do Restaurants Have the Unrestricted Right to Refuse Service?
No. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 explicitly prohibits restaurants from refusing service to patrons on the basis of race, color, religion, or national origin. In addition, most courts don’t allow restaurants to refuse service to patrons based on extremely arbitrary conditions. For example, a person likely can’t be refused service due to having a lazy eye.
- See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html#sthash.Z8hIfRT1.dpuf
....the first few decisions in cases involving same-sex couples have found that businesses do not have the right to refuse service to gay or lesbian customers any more than they do to those of certain races or nationalities.
http://www.business2community.com/trends-news/right-refuse-service-businesses-discrimination-0766551
“I want to make it clear that those kinds of signs are a bit of a fiction. You do not have the right to refuse service to anybody…there are protected classes. There are state laws, federal laws and in Arizona’s case, local laws that provide protection against discrimination. So that business owner does not have an overriding right to trump those laws,” Rho said.
http://www.insidetucsonbusiness.com/news/when-is-refusing-service-legal-and-when-is-it-discrimination/article_305de452-a55b-11e3-8245-001a4bcf887a.html
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It pays to do a little research before posting your disagreement. I did the research and this is what I found. Seems that rather than having supernatural powers, the sign is all but worthless when it comes to public establishments, such as restaurants, bars and hotels.
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance
- See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html#sthash.Z8hIfRT1.dpuf
http://www.business2community.com/trends-news/right-refuse-service-businesses-discrimination-0766551
http://www.insidetucsonbusiness.com/news/when-is-refusing-service-legal-and-when-is-it-discrimination/article_305de452-a55b-11e3-8245-001a4bcf887a.html
So much for freedom!
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So much for freedom!
There are many who would agree with you. It seems you business in not your business when it comes to the law.
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There are many who would agree with you. It seems you business in not your business when it comes to the law.
Individuals can do what ever they want, but a business is legal agreement between owners and the state. The owners get liability protection in exchange for following the rules set forth by the state. An owner cannot lose his personal wealth if the business goes bankrupt. An owner (that includes shareholders) cannot go to jail for crimes the business committed. In exchange, owners have to follow laws regulating businesses in that state.
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There are many who would agree with you. It seems you business in not your business when it comes to the law.
No, it's still out business, it just is not above the law. consumers deserve protection and recourse, too. You cant collude with other businesses to keep prices artificially high, you can't form illegal monopolies, you must follow safety regulations to protect the public.and.your workers, etc.
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It pays to do a little research before posting your disagreement. I did the research and this is what I found. Seems that rather than having supernatural powers, the sign is all but worthless when it comes to public establishments, such as restaurants, bars and hotels. You can point to the sign all day long and if the person or persons are in a protected class they don't need to disappear. Furthermore, if you refuse service, sign or no sign, you are subject to lawsuits and fines. The fines are often hefty enough that they will bankrupt some businesses. I both recent cases in Oregon, the businesses closed and have since gone bankrupt.
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/the-right-to-refuse-service-can-a-business-refuse-service-to-someone-because-of-appearance
- See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html#sthash.Z8hIfRT1.dpuf
http://www.business2community.com/trends-news/right-refuse-service-businesses-discrimination-0766551
http://www.insidetucsonbusiness.com/news/when-is-refusing-service-legal-and-when-is-it-discrimination/article_305de452-a55b-11e3-8245-001a4bcf887a.html
Jesus Christ you're obtuse. Seriously, how did you make it this far?
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It is sickening to watch the news about this.
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It is sickening to watch the news about this.
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But don't lose heart...AIDS works slowly, but it always works.
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Jesus Christ you're obtuse. Seriously, how did you make it this far?
It's a matter of opinion. You seem like the one who is obtuse.
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A private company should have the right to do whatever its management wants it to do to be at its best, as long as laws and regs aren't broken and shareholders on the whole are in agreement. But of course this is apparently just one more of a long line of many publicly traded companies cowering to pressure from the PC crowd and the administration in recent months.
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Individuals can do what ever they want, but a business is legal agreement between owners and the state. The owners get liability protection in exchange for following the rules set forth by the state. An owner cannot lose his personal wealth if the business goes bankrupt. An owner (that includes shareholders) cannot go to jail for crimes the business committed. In exchange, owners have to follow laws regulating businesses in that state.
I would say that legally, this is the best answer.