ever heard of gift nutrition it adds 24 pounds of lean mass in 4 weeks ::)
Does he buy them from the judges? Haven't they been indicted on steroid distribution charges?
Discuss.
he was asked about steroids once. He said something about eating good meals and sleeping in hyperbaric chambers.
Does he buy them from the judges? Haven't they been indicted on steroid distribution charges?
Discuss.
Most IFBB pros at his level have doctors prescriptions.
Most IFBB pros at his level have doctors prescriptions.
he was asked about steroids once. He said something about eating good meals and sleeping in hyperbaric chambers.How else are you supposed to recover from repping 5 plates on the hammer strength machine ???
Steroids are only the final 99.2%
Does he buy them from the judges? Haven't they been indicted on steroid distribution charges?Are you saying he pays in blowjobs?
Discuss.
Imagine if the police turned up at every Olympia competitors doorstep 1 week out and did a search of their houses. The "sport" would be destroyed.
Most IFBB pros at his level have doctors prescriptions.
Phil Heath uses steroids? Get the fuck out of here!!
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Most IFBB pros at his level have doctors prescriptions.
he buys it off the deep web using bit coins
Imagine if the police turned up at every Olympia competitors doorstep 1 week out and did a search of their houses. The "sport" would be destroyed.
How do you get a script for Tren Acetate or Equipoise?
For that matter, how do you get a script for 7 grams of Test/week and 30ius of HGH/day?
I've always wanted to know how they travel with all their gear??? There has to be some sort of collaboration between bb'ers in all countries or something. We've never heard to guys getting busted while traveling.
lol if you'ree an olympia competitor all of the people who work ith you will have that under control......They know what you're running and they'll calculatee what you need for a certain amount of time and they'll bring a surplus....They can mail it to themselves where they're staying...They can use different methods of travel than the competitor...i.e driving...Or they'll have someone there ahead of time to give them what they need...It's all under control...The last person you'll see going down is the competitor..The people who owrk with the competitor take all the risk as far as this goes...Lots and lots of competitors alsoo bring aboard their trt prescription of 700mg/week from doctor lol and it's certified and nobody has any knowledge that it's too high of a dose so once they see prescription they're approved...No questions asked
pretty much what I thought. I'd have an extra package at home with someone ready in case the first got seized....
If it's domestic mail then I guess you can mail to yourself. And it shouldn't be a problem where it is legal. But I wonder in countries like Australia where it's strictly controlled and customs is super tight. I just figure that your invite, the promoter is able to take care of things like that or know who can.
Phil Heath uses steroids? Get the fuck out of here!!
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Most IFBB pros at his level have doctors prescriptions.
As for how pros travel with it, they just have a hook up on the other side.
Seminar organiser, "super fan", local gym owner, Facebook bodybuilding friend...
And the pros don't have magical hook ups that are hidden from the rest of us. The same shit is available and very often at the same price. They often know who to ask for better products is all, eg sourcing orimiten from Romania rather than knock off useless Chinese stuff.
There's no benefit to being the (one of the) dealer(s) who supplied Ronnie when you can't really advertise it.
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better yet, how much of his Olympia Prize money are spent on Juice?...15k?....25k?.....we need a tell all book from former Pros...no bullshit, just tell it like it is....wait a minute, there is such a book outhere already, right?
Steroids are only the final 99.2%
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how much of his Olympia Prize money are spent on Juice?
My memory is toast. Didnt dan duchaine in his book body opus say the average pro spends at least $100,000 just to prepare for the Olympia?
Funny you think Mr. Olympia has to buy them haha. I bet he hasn't bought steroids in YEARS ! The only think you'll find Phil paying for is GH. And even that's discounted, I'm sure.
Hany Rimjob.....one of the greasiest mofos I have ever seen in person!He does give off some kind of vibe but that's probably why he's so good. Do anything
If it's domestic mail then I guess you can mail to yourself. And it shouldn't be a problem where it is legal. But I wonder in countries like Australia where it's strictly controlled and customs is super tight. I just figure that your invite, the promoter is able to take care of things like that or know who can.Well, Us Aussies only have one pro show, and the promoter (a fellow getbigger) seems to be quite well connected it seems. I could be wrong though.
What are you talking about??? Being a dealer to a guy like Ronnie is as good as it gets!!! He will refer you shit tonne of people. And no way I believe they pay the same price. A guy who buys huge ass quantities does not pay the same as the dude buying 3 bottles of test, some npp and AI, then pct stuff...I always assumed the dealers were tripping over each other to supply the top Olympia guys, what better advertising could one get.
"Sponsers 100% do not supy aas/gh, g15 is just maki.g that up, literally no company does that. The contract ur sponser makes u sign actually states that u will only use, advertise, and promote the products assigned to you, and illegal drug use will result in contract termination. (obviously the sponsers know ur juicing but u know, legal shit) if u look at a bodybuilders progression throughout their career u will see, the more $$ they make the bigger they seem to get. I know many guys have a sponser, even at a beginner level sponser, for a nop national guy or a new pro.....ill use my first sponser as an example. I was a top national guy, picked up a sponser, took home 4000$ a month after taxes. I literally spent every penny of that on gear, I kept my bouncing and dancing gigs to pay bills, but my bills were cheap, kept them low based off my goals. Small apt, no cable, basic car.....etc. Turned pro, my salary doubled, took home a little over 8k a month. This new contract made me travel every weekend during my off season, so I couldnt really bounce or dance anymore but I didnt need too, since my girl makes money as well, she helped with bills and we continued to keep our bills In check until I began winning shows and using the prize money to invest in a few business ventures that also provide me income. As well as raises from the sponser as ur popularity increases. bodybuilding is very expensive, thats why if u want to excel u need to be willing and able to invest into urself to an extreme degree. This will take some selfishness, but it is necessary. Sadly, a cop with a family probably isnt going to make it, simply for financial restraints.
Sadly, a cop with a family probably isnt going to make it, simply for financial restraints.(http://healthyceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ronnie_coleman_police_officer_uniform.jpg)
"Sponsers 100% do not supy aas/gh, g15 is just maki.g that up, literally no company does that. The contract ur sponser makes u sign actually states that u will only use, advertise, and promote the products assigned to you, and illegal drug use will result in contract termination. (obviously the sponsers know ur juicing but u know, legal shit) if u look at a bodybuilders progression throughout their career u will see, the more $$ they make the bigger they seem to get. I know many guys have a sponser, even at a beginner level sponser, for a nop national guy or a new pro.....ill use my first sponser as an example. I was a top national guy, picked up a sponser, took home 4000$ a month after taxes. I literally spent every penny of that on gear, I kept my bouncing and dancing gigs to pay bills, but my bills were cheap, kept them low based off my goals. Small apt, no cable, basic car.....etc. Turned pro, my salary doubled, took home a little over 8k a month. This new contract made me travel every weekend during my off season, so I couldnt really bounce or dance anymore but I didnt need too, since my girl makes money as well, she helped with bills and we continued to keep our bills In check until I began winning shows and using the prize money to invest in a few business ventures that also provide me income. As well as raises from the sponser as ur popularity increases. bodybuilding is very expensive, thats why if u want to excel u need to be willing and able to invest into urself to an extreme degree. This will take some selfishness, but it is necessary. Sadly, a cop with a family probably isnt going to make it, simply for financial restraints.Maybe you just have a loose gapping asshole and your dick sucking is lame? :D
"Sponsers 100% do not supy aas/gh, g15 is just maki.g that up, literally no company does that. The contract ur sponser makes u sign actually states that u will only use, advertise, and promote the products assigned to you, and illegal drug use will result in contract termination. (obviously the sponsers know ur juicing but u know, legal shit) if u look at a bodybuilders progression throughout their career u will see, the more $$ they make the bigger they seem to get. I know many guys have a sponser, even at a beginner level sponser, for a nop national guy or a new pro.....ill use my first sponser as an example. I was a top national guy, picked up a sponser, took home 4000$ a month after taxes. I literally spent every penny of that on gear, I kept my bouncing and dancing gigs to pay bills, but my bills were cheap, kept them low based off my goals. Small apt, no cable, basic car.....etc. Turned pro, my salary doubled, took home a little over 8k a month. This new contract made me travel every weekend during my off season, so I couldnt really bounce or dance anymore but I didnt need too, since my girl makes money as well, she helped with bills and we continued to keep our bills In check until I began winning shows and using the prize money to invest in a few business ventures that also provide me income. As well as raises from the sponser as ur popularity increases. bodybuilding is very expensive, thats why if u want to excel u need to be willing and able to invest into urself to an extreme degree. This will take some selfishness, but it is necessary. Sadly, a cop with a family probably isnt going to make it, simply for financial restraints.
Reread my post, FUCKNUT.
I'm in the know, you are not. Fuck off !
Whos quote is this?
There's a reason why they have to lie in public. To protect their livelihood. I was just trying to point out how much to cost to be a pro bber. Every penny of his first contract of 4 grand a month went to gear. That of course increased as he advanced in the sport. And you can see it.If it was costing 4 grand a month for gear alone then he was paying wayyy to much for it, you couldnt take 4 grands worth at regular prices.
And it should be no surprised how they even lie among themselves. Like I said, take it for what's it's worth because it is, and has to be, anonymous, and decide for yourself whether by the way it is told, and what is told, if it seems credible. After all, if Iron Disciple says he is "in the know" then that should be enough proof.
Short version of the story is I was competing at nationals using higher then normal doses but still somewhat within reasonable dosages most guys use......i had a video shoot with a top olympia 212 competitor and we got talking about gear, I told him my doses and he shook his head with a smug look on his face an responded "kid I dont use 1/4 of the shit ur using, if u need all that gear just to be at nationals then u need to think of a career change because no one uses that much gear, ur genetics are just inferior and u will never make it...."
I was so distrought, depressed, and frankly devestated, I went to visit family in NY and was a girl hair away from giving up on everything. I met kai greene in the gym, I trained 2x a day and so did he, and we saw each other all day every day for a few days but I didnt wanna disturb him. He approached me and asked how long id be in town and offered to train with me since we had similar training styles etc....
End of the story is I told him I was gonna give it up because of what this 212 pro told me, he was annoyed and told me that he was completley full of shit, and that he was running almost as much gear as kai. He then called this particular guy, put him on speaker and candidly asked " so how much suspension u running now?" he response was " eh 300mg 3x a day, but that may increase...." So kai was the only guy who ever shot straight with me, the only one
If it was costing 4 grand a month for gear alone then he was paying wayyy to much for it, you couldnt take 4 grands worth at regular prices.
Gear iincludes HGH at 15-30 ius a day. That is by far the biggest expense. Even if you use generics at say, $2/iu, 20ius will cost $1,200/month. And pros only use generic as a last resort. Pharm grade is going at 12-15 dollars an iu. You might get it at $10/iu but atAh. yes the expensive GH, forgot about that.
20 ius a month you're already at $6,000/month.
Ah. yes the expensive GH, forgot about that.
Costs me $4 a month for my cruise cycle
Gear iincludes HGH at 15-30 ius a day. That is by far the biggest expense. Even if you use generics at say, $2/iu, 20ius will cost $1,200/month. And pros only use generic as a last resort. Pharm grade is going at 12-15 dollars an iu. You might get it at $10/iu but at
20 ius a month you're already at $6,000/month.
When people who need gh for prescription or even those that get prescription somehow or w.e...American public is good at getting stuff prescribed for them...Lots of addicts...This is besides the point though... When these people sell on the street...It is NOT 12$ an IU...The demand is not that high where these people can get rid of the GH easy...Only people who really want it are bodybuilders and even if you count all of the people who aren't professionals tht just are gym rats and live the bodybuilding lifestyle you're still finding very few people in general...It's not like a weed or a coke...I will not name prices but alot of the times, in fact MOST of the times it's under 10$ iu...
Think about it in a realistic sense....A man gets his GH HUGE DISCOUNT and has alot of it covered or what have you..Whatever the individual case...And he wants to sell it...For such a price at such a low demand THE BUYER is in full control...What i mean by this is...The gh seller goes to the local gym with people who want GH...But he wants to make 6,000-7,000 dollars...He says do you want some for this price? The bodybuilder says fuck you make it cheaper...Now what is he gonna do??? He is not a bodybuilder...If he takes the GH himself he'll be wasting it...He does not give a shit about gains and sure as hell does not need this GH...he wants MONEY... so he will SETTLE for that 3,000 if that's all he can get...THIS IS MY POINT...And this is ALL I SEE... VERY RARELY will the seller get full price....
Real HGH is in high demand and a much bigger money maker than AAS. The amount of HGH produced is regulated because of the black market.
Every athlete, every movie star, every model, everyone concerned with health and longevity are chasing legit HGH.
No matter how low a seller will go, he will not sell for less than he paid for it. And even at $8/iu that's still thousands a month for a pro bber.
Legit pharm grade HGH is the biggest cost constraint for a pro bber.
Gibberish.
Pharma GH does fck all to most people's body comp at "sensible" doses. It works best on middle aged fatties with clinically low levels of GH, not people who are already in good shape and look after themselves.
HGH raises IGF1. Good for most athletic endeavours, but bad for longevity.
Properly managed TRT (test & thyroid) are much better for most men, both from a health and a cosmetic perspective.
For the average population it's for those 35 and over. And there are a lot of them and it does make a difference.
But the point is, for this conversation, hgh is a huge cost for any bber hoping to compete at a high level.
I think most pro get their gear by the route everyone gets it : buying online. They probably get their shit shipped to someone they trust to avoid getting prosecuted in case of custom seizure.
I really dont see the point of getting a TRT/GH script and paying a fortune for 200mg of cyp a week and 2iu of serostim while they can get it much cheaper on the black market. The GH is bought from AIDS patient usually.
Maybe some of the guys have a trusted chef who brews their gear on demand but they still cannot really control the raws they are getting.
And they never travel with gear, maybe some presciption stuff like T3 T4 or diuretics but no gear, any guy with some freaky size is going to get searched by customs, its a huge risk.
They just get a supply there.
lol at a bunch of getbiggers who no one cares about in the bodybuilding industry arguing about who gets Phil his gear lol
NO shit huh?
And lol at them paying for it. You idiots... I know amateurs who have everything paid, you think these guys pay for their stuff??? I may say so on some garbage site like professional muscle. com but to make you think they do and hopefully make an order.
Wake the hell up.
Plenty of pros pay for their own stuff. Once you turn pro you do not magically have people at your doorstep paying for your gear. I will not mention names but there are 2 people who are going to be in this years olympia that didn't have ANYTHING paid for them until this year. I'm talking ANYTHING. These are not the alex rodriguez of the world who bring in 25 mil... This why pro bb's get their credit card declined buying syntherol. This is well documented. These are PROS too...What money are most amateurs making for others that the others are able to pay thousands a month for their drugs??? Even when turning pro??? Most pros need jobs for themselves to afford their drugs during the daytime...It's not as catered to as you think..
Then I guess some are more lucky than others as I know a rather few who don't pay for their gear. And I sure as hell am not making this up...
But they are also selling or at least "repping" for it, right? No one gets something for nothing.
How much $$$ would a one-year's-supply Pvial Heath-level "stack" cost your average gym-goer?
Quite a meltdown.
I did reread your post. You are wrong. Nobody gives them free gear.
Why would they?
"I'm in the know." LOL. OK.
gh15 used to say $60,000 per year. I don't believe it would be that high though. Half that may be closer to accurate. I don't see the lower tier pros being able to make enough money to afford $60,000 per year just on juice.
However, Jay Cutler said he spends $100,000 per year on food and an additional $100,000 per year on deep tissue massage. So Jay spending yet an additional $100,000 per year on gear would be realistic given Jay's very good financial situation. Jay probably makes $500,000 per year just on interest/earnings from his investments and properties. I heard he was making around $25,000 monthly just on his clothing line (hats, shirts, and the mail order stuff he does from his home). I can't see other pros affording that though.
If anyone wants to hear that straight from Jay's mouth that he was spending 100K annually on both food and deep tissue massages, it was said in his Living Large video by Bodybuilding.com, which is available to view on YouTube.
Most IFBB pros at his level have doctors prescriptions.
No they don't. Even with a very lax Dr willing to prescribe an aggressive TRT/HRT program, they would get no more than 250mg weekly of test cyponiate. A 10ml vial, 8 tablets of adex, 2 vials of HCG (500ius x twice weekly).Why would you do that to a "friend" and does the friend have to gain?
They get it just like everyone else. Purchasing from UGLs or from shops in international companies. Every pro I know always had one thing in common with AAS. They never got the shit delivered directly to their house. It would be sent over to a friend who then brought it to the house when they visited and "left it behind" out of sight.
No they don't. Even with a very lax Dr willing to prescribe an aggressive TRT/HRT program, they would get no more than 250mg weekly of test cyponiate. A 10ml vial, 8 tablets of adex, 2 vials of HCG (500ius x twice weekly).
They get it just like everyone else. Purchasing from UGLs or from shops in international companies. Every pro I know always had one thing in common with AAS. They never got the shit delivered directly to their house. It would be sent over to a friend who then brought it to the house when they visited and "left it behind" out of sight.
There's been quite a few cases in the news where docs have written scripts for a wide variety of compounded steroids for "longevity". "Coach" here on getbig said he was getting dbol on script a few years ago as "hrt". But it's not a legal operation, basically an ugl playing with Chinese steroid powders. Coleman was on one list of clients for a "longevity" clinic for example.
Why would you do that to a "friend" and does the friend have to gain?
Pretty good figures there. Made $ 600,000 a year just with MuscleTech alone.
Then I guess some are more lucky than others as I know a rather few who don't pay for their gear. And I sure as hell am not making this up...
Are they sponsored? Win alot of competitions?? Even G4p?? I never did G4P but i know people who did...I have an electrician license and sometimes i would do a job for someone in exchange for bodybuilder currency... Or just have someone paying for them for nothing?? Doesn't seem like a good investment...?
I can't say too much on this guys, especially not on open forum. No G4p, lol...
Why, the "friend" gets the exalted luxury of rubbing elbows and calling himself a "friend" to a bigger, more alpha male specimen that is considered a professional thong modeler.Ah. Bigger guy gives the small guy a blow job. Got it. :-X
In most cases the friend gets a small cycle out of it for free.
Let's be reasonable.
Your muscles and hypertrophied body is your income. Your $$$ earning potential is directly related with your inflated muscles. Doesn't matter if you are a Mr. O contender, budding amateur, Chippendales dancer, or gay bar hustler. You need your appearance to earn your meals.
Now in light of that, would you really be stupid enough to order illegal substances directly to you? Think about it. You eat, sleep, train, inject and show your body. If your body looks like shit, you don't have a "job". If you are in jail, you won't be able to keep that meal ticket of a body you have.
Or you have a professional career with a professional license that could go up in smoke if you get snagged with a felony charge.
So what do you do for your fix? You get someone else to be the fall guy. Sounds like a bitch move but there are plenty of people out there with less to lose than you do and they will do it. So you make the order, get a few things for them in exchange for taking the risk and making the pick up.
I always thought they got it from the guru. i never asked cause I didn't want to know. I was just under the assumption that the guru handled their protocol and supply.
Guru/friend/schmoe/etc... it's all the same. They get it from someone else that has taken the risk of ordering it for them.
You think Haney Rimjob is going to risk his freedom ordering juice for a client?
Let's be reasonable.
Your muscles and hypertrophied body is your income. Your $$$ earning potential is directly related with your inflated muscles. Doesn't matter if you are a Mr. O contender, budding amateur, Chippendales dancer, or gay bar hustler. You need your appearance to earn your meals.
Now in light of that, would you really be stupid enough to order illegal substances directly to you? Think about it. You eat, sleep, train, inject and show your body. If your body looks like shit, you don't have a "job". If you are in jail, you won't be able to keep that meal ticket of a body you have.
Or you have a professional career with a professional license that could go up in smoke if you get snagged with a felony charge.
So what do you do for your fix? You get someone else to be the fall guy. Sounds like a bitch move but there are plenty of people out there with less to lose than you do and they will do it. So you make the order, get a few things for them in exchange for taking the risk and making the pick up.
Or maybe the guru has his own fall guy. From what I have seen, that's really what you get the guru for. Yeah they watch the diet but it's to set up the drug schedule. I would think you wouldn't go with the schmoe or friend because you want the real deal and it's so much fake stuff out there
Who designs Kai Greenes outfits?
Himself or? :D
Mayor of Bodybuilding.Free alterations when you bring them in yourself.
Then I guess some are more lucky than others as I know a rather few who don't pay for their gear. And I sure as hell am not making this up...
gh15 used to say $60,000 per year. I don't believe it would be that high though. Half that may be closer to accurate. I don't see the lower tier pros being able to make enough money to afford $60,000 per year just on juice.
However, Jay Cutler said he spends $100,000 per year on food and an additional $100,000 per year on deep tissue massage. So Jay spending yet an additional $100,000 per year on gear would be realistic given Jay's very good financial situation. Jay probably makes $500,000 per year just on interest/earnings from his investments and properties. I heard he was making around $25,000 monthly just on his clothing line (hats, shirts, and the mail order stuff he does from his home). I can't see other pros affording that though.
If anyone wants to hear that straight from Jay's mouth that he was spending 100K annually on both food and deep tissue massages, it was said in his Living Large video by Bodybuilding.com, which is available to view on YouTube.
"Sponsers 100% do not supy aas/gh, g15 is just maki.g that up, literally no company does that. The contract ur sponser makes u sign actually states that u will only use, advertise, and promote the products assigned to you, and illegal drug use will result in contract termination. (obviously the sponsers know ur juicing but u know, legal shit) if u look at a bodybuilders progression throughout their career u will see, the more $$ they make the bigger they seem to get. I know many guys have a sponser, even at a beginner level sponser, for a nop national guy or a new pro.....ill use my first sponser as an example. I was a top national guy, picked up a sponser, took home 4000$ a month after taxes. I literally spent every penny of that on gear, I kept my bouncing and dancing gigs to pay bills, but my bills were cheap, kept them low based off my goals. Small apt, no cable, basic car.....etc. Turned pro, my salary doubled, took home a little over 8k a month. This new contract made me travel every weekend during my off season, so I couldnt really bounce or dance anymore but I didnt need too, since my girl makes money as well, she helped with bills and we continued to keep our bills In check until I began winning shows and using the prize money to invest in a few business ventures that also provide me income. As well as raises from the sponser as ur popularity increases. bodybuilding is very expensive, thats why if u want to excel u need to be willing and able to invest into urself to an extreme degree. This will take some selfishness, but it is necessary. Sadly, a cop with a family probably isnt going to make it, simply for financial restraints.
You really don't know shit. And I'm sure as hell not going to spell it out for you.
People who THINK they know what goes on underground ... * shakes head * ...]/b]
Really? Hard to believe someone would give something for nothing. Especially in a "sport" like bbing. Nothing is free. Someone is paying.
Let's be reasonable.
Your muscles and hypertrophied body is your income. Your $$$ earning potential is directly related with your inflated muscles. Doesn't matter if you are a Mr. O contender, budding amateur, Chippendales dancer, or gay bar hustler. You need your appearance to earn your meals.
Now in light of that, would you really be stupid enough to order illegal substances directly to you? Think about it. You eat, sleep, train, inject and show your body. If your body looks like shit, you don't have a "job". If you are in jail, you won't be able to keep that meal ticket of a body you have.
Or you have a professional career with a professional license that could go up in smoke if you get snagged with a felony charge.
So what do you do for your fix? You get someone else to be the fall guy. Sounds like a bitch move but there are plenty of people out there with less to lose than you do and they will do it. So you make the order, get a few things for them in exchange for taking the risk and making the pick up.
I always thought they got it from the guru. i never asked cause I didn't want to know. I was just under the assumption that the guru handled their protocol and supply.
Or do you simply do "what you've always done"?
These people have been abusing large amounts of drugs for years. Maybe some decided to add in some safeguards such as getting dr Rx or whatever, but a large amount of them probably just do what they've always done. It's not like pro bodybuilders don't regularly get busted at borders and such. If it happened to Stallone it could surely happen to some NPC or IFBB "nobody."
It's crazy how people overlook the simple fact that professional bodybuilders are serial drug abusers. You can't get to the IFBB level without abusing drugs for years. That or they stumble across legit kigs and blow up lean from within with changes by the hour.
So what then???
I'm making this stuff up? Why would I?
some guys may be 'in the know', but I'm actually 'in the business'... very few guys get their gear for free, it gets paid for one way or another.
60k per year? depends on how many shows they do. a faily decent estimate is about 2k/month, much of that being gh. do some quick math. pro's buy a lot.. amateurs buy a lot, so they're not gonna be paying 50/bottle of test or 60/bottle of deca when a regular buyer gets his test at 45ea when he buys 4 at a time and deca at 55ea or 50ea when he buys 2-3 at a time..figure regular retail prices when you buy 'a la cart' when test is 50, deca is 60, tren 70, 30 25mg dbol for $30, 30 50mg adrol for $45, 30 15mg halo for $100, primo ace is 100, mast is 70, ect... now figure how much they use offseason and how much they use precontest, add it up, and subtract about 30%.
selling at a steep discount or giving it free, just cuz they're pro's is ridiculous, considering the fact I supply a few former ifbb pro's brings me zero extra business. and don't forget, this is a business. not a charity or an opportunity to rub elbows with the dudes in the magazines. when my mortgage is due, the fact that I had so and so in my car this afternoon dropping off the next couple months worth of test, tren, adex, and serostim doesn't mean shit.
so lets just do some quick math, cuz I have a couple mins free...
5g test/wk = 2 bottles per wk, 8 per month. buy 8? we'll call that $35ea , so $280
1g tren/wk, that's a 4 bottles per month, we'll call that 60ea, so $240
100mg anavar/day, that's about 5 bottles per month at $45ea, so $225
1g mast/wk, that's 4 bottles per month, we'll call that 60ea as well, another $240
2g primo/wk, that's 8 bottles per month, at we'll say $70ea, which is a damn good price, but we'll call that an even $550 (usually it's either mast or primo, not both)
1 kit per wk of serostim/wk 4 at a time we'll say $350ea, that's $1400
... that's not even getting the clen, adex/femara, t3, etc...
it adds up. for all that (with primo instead of mast) I'd part with for an even $2500, because a few stray hundred dollars won't break me, and the customer will appreciate it and keep coming back. pro's are no different.
I don't think you are making it up. I believe that you do think some pros get gear for free. But I think our definition for "Free" is different. Just because someone doesn't pay cold hard cash doesn't mean there isn't a cost.
I look at it logically. Why would someone just shell out thousands a month to a bber and expect nothing in return? Maybe if you have rich parents who actually care and want their son to succeed in bbing or you have a very rich friend or relative that just loves you
and wants to support you life.
A sponsor wants you to win as it effects their bottom line so the better you do the more they pay you. They know you buy gear. So indirectly they pay for your hormone addition. Just like an employer finances you groceries, car and house payment, clothes, entertainment.... and anything else you do with the salary you earn from them. But they get something back in return.
Legit Seros at $350/kit?
List me.
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No idea where he got that number, the rest is rather spot on. They will need at least 3 kits a month, add another 3k to the bill.
When addressing ESF, either directly or indirectly, always keep in mind that he does not take kindly to disrespect.
Ifbb pro martin kjellstrom was sponsored by a uglab..dutchlab..but he was selling boatloads to of there stuff until he got busted.
Lots of vince goodrum insider wannabes here. Esfitness post was good
some guys may be 'in the know', but I'm actually 'in the business'... very few guys get their gear for free, it gets paid for one way or another.
60k per year? depends on how many shows they do. a faily decent estimate is about 2k/month, much of that being gh. do some quick math. pro's buy a lot.. amateurs buy a lot, so they're not gonna be paying 50/bottle of test or 60/bottle of deca when a regular buyer gets his test at 45ea when he buys 4 at a time and deca at 55ea or 50ea when he buys 2-3 at a time..figure regular retail prices when you buy 'a la cart' when test is 50, deca is 60, tren 70, 30 25mg dbol for $30, 30 50mg adrol for $45, 30 15mg halo for $100, primo ace is 100, mast is 70, ect... now figure how much they use offseason and how much they use precontest, add it up, and subtract about 30%.
selling at a steep discount or giving it free, just cuz they're pro's is ridiculous, considering the fact I supply a few former ifbb pro's brings me zero extra business. and don't forget, this is a business. not a charity or an opportunity to rub elbows with the dudes in the magazines. when my mortgage is due, the fact that I had so and so in my car this afternoon dropping off the next couple months worth of test, tren, adex, and serostim doesn't mean shit.
so lets just do some quick math, cuz I have a couple mins free...
5g test/wk = 2 bottles per wk, 8 per month. buy 8? we'll call that $35ea , so $280
1g tren/wk, that's a 4 bottles per month, we'll call that 60ea, so $240
100mg anavar/day, that's about 5 bottles per month at $45ea, so $225
1g mast/wk, that's 4 bottles per month, we'll call that 60ea as well, another $240
2g primo/wk, that's 8 bottles per month, at we'll say $70ea, which is a damn good price, but we'll call that an even $550 (usually it's either mast or primo, not both)
1 kit per wk of serostim/wk 4 at a time we'll say $350ea, that's $1400
... that's not even getting the clen, adex/femara, t3, etc...
it adds up. for all that (with primo instead of mast) I'd part with for an even $2500, because a few stray hundred dollars won't break me, and the customer will appreciate it and keep coming back. pro's are no different.
So which UG's are popular in North Korea?All government sponsored doping.
All that shit just to be broke, deformed, and prematurely dead. What a silly hobby.
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some guys may be 'in the know', but I'm actually 'in the business'... very few guys get their gear for free, it gets paid for one way or another.
60k per year? depends on how many shows they do. a faily decent estimate is about 2k/month, much of that being gh. do some quick math. pro's buy a lot.. amateurs buy a lot, so they're not gonna be paying 50/bottle of test or 60/bottle of deca when a regular buyer gets his test at 45ea when he buys 4 at a time and deca at 55ea or 50ea when he buys 2-3 at a time..figure regular retail prices when you buy 'a la cart' when test is 50, deca is 60, tren 70, 30 25mg dbol for $30, 30 50mg adrol for $45, 30 15mg halo for $100, primo ace is 100, mast is 70, ect... now figure how much they use offseason and how much they use precontest, add it up, and subtract about 30%.
selling at a steep discount or giving it free, just cuz they're pro's is ridiculous, considering the fact I supply a few former ifbb pro's brings me zero extra business. and don't forget, this is a business. not a charity or an opportunity to rub elbows with the dudes in the magazines. when my mortgage is due, the fact that I had so and so in my car this afternoon dropping off the next couple months worth of test, tren, adex, and serostim doesn't mean shit.
so lets just do some quick math, cuz I have a couple mins free...
5g test/wk = 2 bottles per wk, 8 per month. buy 8? we'll call that $35ea , so $280
1g tren/wk, that's a 4 bottles per month, we'll call that 60ea, so $240
100mg anavar/day, that's about 5 bottles per month at $45ea, so $225
1g mast/wk, that's 4 bottles per month, we'll call that 60ea as well, another $240
2g primo/wk, that's 8 bottles per month, at we'll say $70ea, which is a damn good price, but we'll call that an even $550 (usually it's either mast or primo, not both)
1 kit per wk of serostim/wk 4 at a time we'll say $350ea, that's $1400
... that's not even getting the clen, adex/femara, t3, etc...
it adds up. for all that (with primo instead of mast) I'd part with for an even $2500, because a few stray hundred dollars won't break me, and the customer will appreciate it and keep coming back. pro's are no different.
So which UG's are popular in North Korea?pyongyan lab, chink pharma, cihng chong tiger just to name a few
You open a box, or have/pay someone to open a box for you, under a fictitious business name. Packs are signed for by the UPS employees and you just pay cash every six months or a year to keep the box. Change locations and business names occasionally.
A local pro here paid some homeless guy with an ID $50 to open a box under a made up business name using a made up address. If busted, (though he only ordered domestic) they would go to an address that didn't exist and look for someone that doesn't have an address. That would mean they would have to stake out the UPS store. Since his orders were always under a grand it would be hard to justify a stakeout. He never picked up his packs as soon as they arrived. He did get one seizure but that was for an international order which he never did again.
Here they require two forms of ID - most homeless people don't even have one form - and if you open more than two boxes at different locations (locally) within one year, they flag you and ask you for additional info on the business. (Letterhead, website, business checking account, etc.. anything to prove it actually exists). Their databases are all linked now and the same box owner info (DL, passport, car registration, etc..) that was used to open it will be shared among stores.
Keep in mind this is South Florida where it isn't just roids that people bring into the country through here. Rhino horns, illegal car parts, mj seeds, etc..
You think they won't stake out a store for a small pack? Go ask Uncle Z that. Few years ago his boy got popped when they waited for weeks for him to come to the store and pick up a pack of LABELS that came through. Yeah, no roids. No oils. No tabs. Nothing but paper labels. Last time I checked, labels (no matter what was written on them) were not illegal. But they decided that it could lead to something bigger. It did. Dude was popped here and four months later with the info they passed along, Z's bigger remailing operation overseas in Poland was netted as well by the Polish task force. But they did manually stake that store out after a week or so because the electronic tag that was put inside when it was discovered at Customs and that would indicate when the pack was opened went dead. After that they had two agents watching that store from the minute it opened until it closed for several weeks.
It isn't how much they know you have sitting in the mailbox they are interested in. It's how much they don't know you may have sitting somewhere else that they want to find out about.
But yeah, like I said you get a fall guy. Order a pack, tell the guy ahead of time that when it comes "on the inside is your stuff, you can have - this, this, this, that, some of that, et.." That way the sucker runs home and opens the pack and if there is an electronic tag inside
You don't use the same business name or the same person.
But the way you make it sound, it would be impossible for anybody to get anything.
Exactly. But when it comes down to it, it is kind of hard to find someone willing (read : dumb) enough to be the fall guy for the orders of another person.
So people often resort to using the same person to go to different stores in town and create new mail boxes with different name.
Look at it this way, would YOU be willing to accept an international pack for some dude that won't break the top 3 of a 3rd tier Wings Of Strength type show in exchange for a few vials of test and tren?
Exactly. Which is why you should STFU. Your meltdowns prove your lack of credibility. You're a nobody that knows nobody.
If people think bodybuilders aren't sponsored, look at the entire Middle East scene. Kuwait, Dubai, Iran and a lot of Arab countries have entire gyms and bodybuilding "teams" that are all provided a stipend. Rich schmoes pay for their gear right from the pharmacy.
Don't believe me? Just follow the ME YouTube channels and Instagram. I have Arabic friends from over there which share their cycles (really basic, some high test and some zero test, lots of GH and slin, very strict halal diets and lots of diuretics) and these guys don't pay much out of pocket at all. They have a weird comradry but compete with other teams. These guys look much better than most North American IFBB pros and are worshipped in their home country. Money is literally no object for them and they all support each other in terms of supplements, food and accommodation. I'm not Arabic and don't understand the language or culture, but it's cool seeing the physiques being built overseas.
What is the goal Of these guys? Early death? In the ME is it like a single mans game, just tryin to look good for schmoes and ladies? Or, are tdo these guys have families and they are trying to make a career out of big biceps? Schmoes and teams only pay when you look good and are young. I just dont see the up side to it overthere( well same shit as here, but atleast you can work part time orfull time with a real careeer and BB on the side). Something tells me opps like that are few and far between in theME.
If I get to have a pic of said pro with his arm around me in a thumbs up pose.
Meltdowns ? Hmmm ...
Let's see here ... I compete on the NATIONAL ... level in bodybuilding. Hardly makes me a " nobody " that knows " nobody ". I know a ton of top amateurs, as well as pros that span both Bodybuilding, Strongman, Powerlifting, etc.
I'm not only part of the underground, but I also work in it as well. Although, not nearly as much anymore.
I get almost everything EXCEPT GH ( for obvious reasons ) ... for free. And I could easily rattle off top names that do as well.
Your really embarrassing yourself. Then again, you've been doing that here for years. But your ignorance is really starting to shine through, old man.
If people think bodybuilders aren't sponsored, look at the entire Middle East scene. Kuwait, Dubai, Iran and a lot of Arab countries have entire gyms and bodybuilding "teams" that are all provided a stipend. Rich schmoes pay for their gear right from the pharmacy.
Don't believe me? Just follow the ME YouTube channels and Instagram. I have Arabic friends from over there which share their cycles (really basic, some high test and some zero test, lots of GH and slin, very strict halal diets and lots of diuretics) and these guys don't pay much out of pocket at all. They have a weird comradry but compete with other teams. These guys look much better than most North American IFBB pros and are worshipped in their home country. Money is literally no object for them and they all support each other in terms of supplements, food and accommodation. I'm not Arabic and don't understand the language or culture, but it's cool seeing the physiques being built overseas.
But you have to be standing there doing the obligatory "pointing your index finger at the pro" cause sometimes people don't even notice them in the picture too.
PHIL HEATH IS NATURAL... HIS GIFTED NUTRITION PROVIDES HIM HIS WINNING EDGE OVER EVERYONE ELSE... ;DWouldn't doubt it, and it lends credence as to the timing of it all. He's releasing his winning edge stack because he's about to retire. No sense in him keeping it a secret anymore.
I think aids carriers are among the top contributors of pharmacy grade gear to the bodybuilding world, they give away/sell the drugs to their musclemen idols and let themselves waste away faster instead.
:-X
Meltdowns ? Hmmm ...
Let's see here ... I compete on the NATIONAL ... level in bodybuilding. Hardly makes me a " nobody " that knows " nobody ". I know a ton of top amateurs, as well as pros that span both Bodybuilding, Strongman, Powerlifting, etc.
I'm not only part of the underground, but I also work in it as well. Although, not nearly as much anymore.
I get almost everything EXCEPT GH ( for obvious reasons ) ... for free. And I could easily rattle off top names that do as well.
Your really embarrassing yourself. Then again, you've been doing that here for years. But your ignorance is really starting to shine through, old man.
I think aids carriers are among the top contributors of pharmacy grade gear to the bodybuilding world, they give away/sell the drugs to their musclemen idols and let themselves waste away faster instead.
:-X
my nephew is on legit HGH. it costs thousands but I think it's covered. his fridge looks like a pro BBer, and he's only 12.
If people think bodybuilders aren't sponsored, look at the entire Middle East scene. Kuwait, Dubai, Iran and a lot of Arab countries have entire gyms and bodybuilding "teams" that are all provided a stipend. Rich schmoes pay for their gear right from the pharmacy.dubai is in south asia dumb fuck
Don't believe me? Just follow the ME YouTube channels and Instagram. I have Arabic friends from over there which share their cycles (really basic, some high test and some zero test, lots of GH and slin, very strict halal diets and lots of diuretics) and these guys don't pay much out of pocket at all. They have a weird comradry but compete with other teams. These guys look much better than most North American IFBB pros and are worshipped in their home country. Money is literally no object for them and they all support each other in terms of supplements, food and accommodation. I'm not Arabic and don't understand the language or culture, but it's cool seeing the physiques being built overseas.
What type of events do you do for schmoes?
What kind of dose is he on?
Yawn.
Nobody cares what you say.
I can vouch for this. It's a sick world. Much worse things are going on throughout it though....This doesn't even scratch the surface
What is the goal Of these guys? Early death? In the ME is it like a single mans game, just tryin to look good for schmoes and ladies? Or, are tdo these guys have families and they are trying to make a career out of big biceps? Schmoes and teams only pay when you look good and are young. I just dont see the up side to it overthere( well same shit as here, but atleast you can work part time orfull time with a real careeer and BB on the side). Something tells me opps like that are few and far between in theME.