Just bullshit.
4 Olympia's and counting....
That's Lee Haney quote not Phil Heath
Phil getting HUGE on plate loaded presses!!
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Just bullshit.
I take it you haven't watched Phil train? Not missing much..
Yeh but he is....
its neither bullshit nor true it simply is irrelevant to the discussion of muscle hypertrophy which goes in this exact order.
1) Genetics
2) Genetic reponse to gear
3) Nutrition
4) Training
5) Rest/recovery
You have to bear in mind the reason why the vast majority of emphasis in bodybuilding is usually based on training articles in the media or magazine publications is because it it is the most visible and "cool" part of the overal process. Essentially what sells magazines etc.
Having said that what Haney is saying makes perfect sense.
Imagine you have been training your shitty lagging triceps with 20 sets twice a week.
Then you train them for 40 sets twice a week.
And you realise the net difference in result after few months or even years is sweet fuck all.
Then why waste all that time in the gym. What exactly is that extra 20 sets doing for you? Nothing is the answer other than eating into your recovery
U need to do the least you can get away with because the least you can get away with in training is the most recovery you will get by default. Direct correlation between the two.
So what I am saying is it doesnt matter after while how u train it won't make no difference to your results because training is NOT what gets u the results in the first place or the most important thing
Haha! It has been my experience with my shitty lagging triceps that got me thinking about this. I do volume OR intensity. My triceps are ALWAYS annihilated: work to failure, cramping, DOMS, but nothing moves the needle.
AJ and Uncle Junior getting along in this thread.
Haha! It has been my experience with my shitty lagging triceps that got me thinking about this. I do volume OR intensity. My triceps are ALWAYS annihilated: work to failure, cramping, DOMS, but nothing moves the needle.
A spade is a spade. My triceps are an embarrassment.
Wise advice.
Ok well glad we can have an insightfull discussion for once that can actually be of some benefit to you and your triceps.
Lets take a quick look at how mucle hypertrophy works within the scope of Myofibrillar vs Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy. I am not gonna get into the science behind it but just google it, I will give u snap shot of the end results of the discussion.
How much Myofibrillar Hypertrophy you get is directely correlated with how much weight you can press, ever seen someone who benches 405 have a shitty chest (always exceptions in life but use the general rule)....the answer is NO. Myfibrillar Hypertrophy is the most important for nattys and guys on low doses.
How much Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy you get is directly related to how much gear you take, take more gear, get more Sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy and more blood and pump is gotten in the muscle. Hency why volume training is much better suited to gear users than nattys.
Everything is ultimately governed by your genetics and specifically genetic response to gear. Very little stimulation is actually needed to break muscle tissue down (Myofibrillar) and there is so much blood you can hold in the muscle (pump/Sarcoplasmic) by volume training unless you seriously up your doses.
Training = breaking down muscle tissue/holding blood in an aread to expand the muscle, nothing more nothing less. Training doesn't make you grow at all.
Training will never supercede the extra protein synthesis your body is allowed to have and utilize when on gear (dose dependant of course)
So you wanna bring up your triceps on 250mg a week?
Only two options exists. Up your doses THEN increase volume.
Keep on same dose by try and increase the weight you can handle.
If I was you (knowing u won't up dose) I would train in 3-6 rep range only on triceps and go super heavy and keep increasing weight as much as you can.
You should be close grip benching 315 like I do if you want good triceps on HRT/Natty doses...OR you can go high volume BUT ONLY works if you serious up your doses
Video proof.
Once I am out of surgery and back into the whole training regime I will post whatever you want.
I think you need to focus on a solid strenght training protocal.
I have a feeling you do to much of the same shit over and over again without actually upping the weight on the bar.
Are you willing to try a training routine if I give it to you for 8 weeks and take it serious?
Not gonna bother unless u take it serious or take the piss, genuinely trying to help you out
Video proof.
Not a chance in hell he ever did a single rep with 3 plates.
Not a chance in hell he ever did a single rep with 3 plates.
what so special about pressing 315?
This year I am aiming for 405
Once I am out of surgery and back into the whole training regime I will post whatever you want.
I think you need to focus on a solid strenght training protocal.
I have a feeling you do to much of the same shit over and over again without actually upping the weight on the bar.
Are you willing to try a training routine if I give it to you for 8 weeks and take it serious?
Not gonna bother unless u take it serious or take the piss, genuinely trying to help you out
While you're posting your 315 close grip video would you mind posting that 185# curl video as well.
Thanks a bunch,
Muh xoxo
its neither bullshit nor true it simply is irrelevant to the discussion of muscle hypertrophy which goes in this exact order.
1) Genetics
2) Genetic reponse to gear
3) Nutrition
4) Training
5) Rest/recovery
You have to bear in mind the reason why the vast majority of emphasis in bodybuilding is usually based on training articles in the media or magazine publications is because it it is the most visible and "cool" part of the overal process. Essentially what sells magazines etc.
Having said that what Haney is saying makes perfect sense.
Imagine you have been training your shitty lagging triceps with 20 sets twice a week.
Then you train them for 40 sets twice a week.
And you realise the net difference in result after few months or even years is sweet fuck all.
Then why waste all that time in the gym. What exactly is that extra 20 sets doing for you? Nothing is the answer other than eating into your recovery
U need to do the least you can get away with because the least you can get away with in training is the most recovery you will get by default. Direct correlation between the two.
So what I am saying is it doesnt matter after while how u train it won't make no difference to your results because training is NOT what gets u the results in the first place or the most important thing
For Joon, these are both science fiction. But the 315# CGBP is probably worlds closer to reality than his 185# curl.
For Joon, these are both science fiction. But the 315# CGBP is probably worlds closer to reality than his 185# curl.
haha if you had 19 inchers you would have taken at least one picture of them...show it!
19's? Ni66a please.
Not gonna turn this into about me again, believe as you will there are many reasons I can go into why you would be foolish to look at an ancient life time natty pic when I was not training and 160lb and be like this dude ain't shit etc....like I said pictures are very decieving as Sev and other have proved many times and I have been training on an off since I was 16 and was a serious MMA athelete and played for Arsenal under 16's.
Eitherway if you are intrested in improving your triceps I suggest next time you work them out you Facetime me and let me have a little look at what you are doing and see where I can add some input but like I said I doubt any type of training specifically on its own is going to improve your triceps in any meangingful way.
But knowing your doses etc in your case I would seriously suggest you focus more heavy and low reps rather than doing tons of volume because you are simply not taking enough gear or the right type of compounds for that kinda training to work for you.
I think you are at the stage where you either need to be content with what you have mass wise and just work on conditioning OR to take the decision to do a proper off season cycle and add some serious mass.
I know you are a family man and conscious about your health and thats smart and nothing wrong with that but simply there is no other way to make the kinda improvements u want. I think you have been on 250mg forever now and its only gonna go so far and you only take test.
I put on about 30lb of water, fat and bit of muscle on my first cycle but I was seriously disappointed.
It was only when I started stacking test, deca, dbol and significantly upped my doses that I got my arms up to 19's pumped.
I naturally have 16 inch arms natty anyway, after my first cycle they went up to 17.5's and when I added deca and dbol on subsequent cycles I got em to 19's, around 15 percent BF.
its neither bullshit nor true it simply is irrelevant to the discussion of muscle hypertrophy which goes in this exact order.
1) Genetics2) Genetic reponse to gear3) Nutrition
4) Training
5) Rest/recovery
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will they be there to carry the casket? think not ...
This one.....
Not gonna turn this into about me again, believe as you will there are many reasons I can go into why you would be foolish to look at an ancient life time natty pic when I was not training and 160lb and be like this dude ain't shit etc....like I said pictures are very decieving as Sev and other have proved many times and I have been training on an off since I was 16 and was a serious MMA athelete and played for Arsenal under 16's.Beautifully subtle. ;)
Eitherway if you are intrested in improving your triceps I suggest next time you work them out you Facetime me and let me have a little look at what you are doing and see where I can add some input but like I said I doubt any type of training specifically on its own is going to improve your triceps in any meangingful way.
But knowing your doses etc in your case I would seriously suggest you focus more heavy and low reps rather than doing tons of volume because you are simply not taking enough gear or the right type of compounds for that kinda training to work for you.
I think you are at the stage where you either need to be content with what you have mass wise and just work on conditioning OR to take the decision to do a proper off season cycle and add some serious mass.
I know you are a family man and conscious about your health and thats smart and nothing wrong with that but simply there is no other way to make the kinda improvements u want. I think you have been on 250mg forever now and its only gonna go so far and you only take test.
I put on about 30lb of water, fat and bit of muscle on my first cycle but I was seriously disappointed.
It was only when I started stacking test, deca, dbol and significantly upped my doses that I got my arms up to 19's pumped.
I naturally have 16 inch arms natty anyway, after my first cycle they went up to 17.5's and when I added deca and dbol on subsequent cycles I got em to 19's, around 15 percent BF.
- 185# barbell curl "for reps"
- 315# close-grip bench
- 19" arms
Man, you don't give up, huh? Just pure unadulterated bullshit. All of it.
Like BigRo says, if you had legit 19's, even fat ones, we'd have seen a pic. Anybody seen a pic of Joon's 19" bis? Anybody? Bueller?
that's a pretty good statement, coz if you annihilate then you won't be able to recover from it
if you're in tune with your body you'll pretty much know when to call it quits during a training session
Beautifully subtle. ;)
Joon = Broscience = knows nothing at all about hypertrophy!
first, i will stimulate that ass ,then i will Annihilate it :P :P
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(http://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/t31.0-8/11722296_871457459615161_3815401537411580485_o.jpg)The suicide vests are just out of view.
Just bullshit.
Calm down Mick Jagger it's only a bicep machine not a space suit
Specific exercises make a big difference. Not that someone who can't get results would know or appreciate.
Specific exercises make a big difference. Not that someone who can't get results would know or appreciate.
Specific exercises make a big difference. Not that someone who can't get results would know or appreciate.
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I don't understand how anyone can get any satisfaction out of light weight high volume training. I like the idea of progressively throwing up larger amounts of weight for lower reps because it simply feels better to be stronger. Being strong is fun, using the 20 pound dumbells for a bunch of reps seems silly and weak. Im just of the thought that the gym is for moving a lot of weight.
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Has there ever been an (documented) instance where someone had great genetics to build muscle without drugs but once they added them it didn't do much?Must be (lots). But you don't hear about these again. Check the new pro's over the years...
I think what he was trying to say with that statement is that taking every set to failure will lead to burn out and missed workouts.
Bill Pearl stated the same thing but he was direct to the point. He said don't train to failure. I interpret that is if your doing volume and your first bicep exercise is 5 sets of 8 reps only the last or the last two sets should approach failure.
Just think if you wanted to be a good runner. Would every single day in training be an attempt at breaking a personal record? That would be insanity yet many weight trainers attempt it.
It is still not pertinent to the discussion of muscle hypertrophy though. Why do we keep talking about training methods when we know traning is one of the least important aspects for muscle hypertrophy. Training simply breaks the muscle down, that is all, once it is broken you cannot break it any further at that point. It does not matter how you break the muscle down and training does not build muscle anyway. Only proper nutrition and increase in protein synthesis resulting from higher doses of PEDS can make that happen and that is only in relation to what your genetics will allow.
Surely we can see this by now can't we and get over discussing nonesene training methods that have zero impact on results?