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Im about 4 weeks into a blast. Cut to 183, pretty lean for me, but not shredded. I did a two week prop kick start and total mgs at 600mg a week (all pharma) of Test. Im slowly increasing cals about 150 a week from my low of 2000, so im about 2300 a day now.
Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit. I thought i would blow up lean. All im doing is gaining water weight and some intracellular water retention.
Anyone here ever just give up gear use cuz you didnt notice much? Im almost to that point
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Try English.
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2k cals lol, what the fuck. do you have a ridiculously slow metabolism or what?
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Im about 4 weeks into a blast. Cut to 183, pretty lean for me, but not shredded. I did a two week prop kick start and total mgs at 600mg a week (all pharma) of Test. Im slowly increasing cals about 150 a week from my low of 2000, so im about 2300 a day now.
Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit. I thought i would blow up lean. All im doing is gaining water weight and some intracellular water retention.
Anyone here ever just give up gear use cuz you didnt notice much? Im almost to that point
I was never a good responder. During the days when it was legal (1980s) I went to the same doc and got the same gear as a friend of mine. It was Organon Deca and Ciba dbol. He just blew up. Me not so much. It was my first cycle so I did get some gains but nothing dramatic. It didn't get much better as time and dosage went up.
That's why I don't believe when a lot of people say that anyone can get to pro size if you are just willing to take enough hormones. Some people can only utilize so much. There are natural "muscle brakes" in you body that inhibits muscle growth. You body simply does not like to carry great muscle mass. And for good reason.
Even the genetically gifted has limits no matter what they do. Some are just more limited than others.
I'm in my fifties now and though I've been lifting weights consistently since I was twelve and never plan to give it up, I gave
up on "bodybuilding" by the time I was 26 years old or so. I just accepted that I was an ecto and concentrated more on health and fitness -- and not being a fatso.
Right now I'm on a TRT type program of 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of Deca. Test is for replacement and it helps the most with quality of life (energy, libido, feeling of well being) and the Deca helps with the joints. I also feel that it just keeps your body in a more anabolic state so you don't quickly lose strength and aids recovery. I don't feel "strong" being on but definitely feel it in a bad way when I'm off.
If you are determined to put on muscle then it might be worth experimenting with dosage. Trevor Smith outlined an intermediate cycle of: 1000mg/wk of Test, 600mg/wk Deca or Eq, dbol 50mg/day OR Drol 100mg/day. But everyone I know that is trying to compete is at 3gms/wk getting to 4-5gms as a show approaches. And this is not even NPC level.
Part of being genetically gifted as a bber is not just response to training but response to gear.
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That's because unless your hypogonadal steroids will not increase muscle hypertrophy. Its not a question of andrgen level. Any idea how many thousands have undertaken the same quest your on? Think your a genetic exception? Sleep is far, far more "anabolic" than any drug.
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try eating ???
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try eating ???
You should take your own advice.
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try to keep up, sf ::)
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If you are 183 lbs and only eating 2300 cals, that doesn't seem like enough. I would think you want to be eating at least 3000 or even more. Maybe try increasing the calories for a few weeks and see if you grow?
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Im about 4 weeks into a blast. Cut to 183, pretty lean for me, but not shredded. I did a two week prop kick start and total mgs at 600mg a week (all pharma) of Test. Im slowly increasing cals about 150 a week from my low of 2000, so im about 2300 a day now.
Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit. I thought i would blow up lean. All im doing is gaining water weight and some intracellular water retention.
Anyone here ever just give up gear use cuz you didnt notice much? Im almost to that point
First your lucky to be able to obtain all pharma. If your only four weeks in it's way to early to judge because test is still building up in your system.
There is no easy answer to this but 600mgs in my opinion, is an aggressive amount. Your getting the normal sides.
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Even if you don't eat great, people that make good bodybuilders respond very well to training and drugs.
Most people don't want to be a bodybuilder, but even if you do, you can't be good unless your response to drugs is great.
Look at it like a blessing. The folks who get addicted to the easy muscle mass probably look back at it 30 years later as a waste once they find out their prostates are larger than they should be, their kidneys aren't as healthy, and they have more cardiovascular disease than their peers.
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Even if you don't eat great, people that make good bodybuilders respond very well to training and drugs.
Most people don't want to be a bodybuilder, but even if you do, you can't be good unless your response to drugs is great.
Look at it like a blessing. The folks who get addicted to the easy muscle mass probably look back at it 30 years later as a waste once they find out their prostates are larger than they should be, their kidneys aren't as healthy, and they have more cardiovascular disease than their peers.
Great point. f you're a good (not super great) responder you think you're someone special and it plants the seed for chasing the dream.
You waste a lot of your prime years, as well as money and health investing in something with high cost (in all aspects of life) and little return.
If you're like me and not good responder to training and hormones then you're priorities change and it's easy to give up the dream before it takes root.
You can still be healthy, be in good shape, have superior functional ability, and look better than the majority of the population.
And live a normal life.
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Im about 4 weeks into a blast. Cut to 183, pretty lean for me, but not shredded. I did a two week prop kick start and total mgs at 600mg a week (all pharma) of Test. Im slowly increasing cals about 150 a week from my low of 2000, so im about 2300 a day now.
Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit. I thought i would blow up lean. All im doing is gaining water weight and some intracellular water retention.
Anyone here ever just give up gear use cuz you didnt notice much? Im almost to that point
For someone your weight your calories are a bit low imo.
Blowing up lean is good but you need to : eat sufficent calories AND start LEAN to begin with
idk if its your first cycle or not but i remember doing 500mg of test E as my first cycle and having pretty bad genetics i had some amazing strengh gains and good size
but as you cycle you need to be more and more agressive with your dosages. 600mg of test is good but you plateau quick on that. I personaly up my dose of add compounds with every of my blasts and still the results arent as dramatic as my first cycle...
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Even if you don't eat great, people that make good bodybuilders respond very well to training and drugs.
this
genetics is the most important factor, and then training and drugs are rather equal imho
i've had times were i took less gear but trained more effectively and i looked better than when i took more gear and trained like a dumbfuck
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this
genetics is the most important factor, and then training and drugs are rather equal imho
i've had times were i took less gear but trained more effectively and i looked better than when i took more gear and trained like a dumbfuck
Try some GH with the AAS and you will respond well. Prolly you have low natural gh.
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That's because unless your hypogonadal steroids will not increase muscle hypertrophy. Its not a question of andrgen level. Any idea how many thousands have undertaken the same quest your on? Think your a genetic exception? Sleep is far, far more "anabolic" than any drug.
Every one of your gimmicks gives this speech, verbatim. If you are trying to stay more anonymous, you should consider moving the words around or something.
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Interesting responses, thanks yall. I agree thr cals are low but i can put down tons of food and blow up quick with fat. Im slowly raising and hope to be at 3000 daily eventually. I did start fairly lean, id say 10 percent bf. possibly 11. Ill keep plugging away. I am on trt so maybe after this endevour ill just stick to trt at 100mgs and blast to 200mgs before vacation or something. I did that one actually and looked pretty good.
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thong maniac, what the fuck?
eating 2300 kcals and wondering why youre not growing
im 180lbs right now and im eating more than that and losing 2lbs a week... granted im on 3x as much gear plus t3 and other shit, but 2300 is fucking ridiculous
i remember my first cycle, it was tbol at 40mg a day (thats 280mg a week, not even half of what you use) and i remember i was eating 3200 kcals a day (which were my usual "bulking" calories at that time) and within 4 weeks i was up close to 20 lbs AND LEANER... i looked twice as big (not watery at all, all lean gains / intramuscular water/glycogen retention).
i was actually so scared because i gained a shitton of weight that quickly that i started cutting and finished the cycle at like 15lbs heavier than i started and easily 5% bf lower...
either youre a shit responder OR you need to learn how to EAT
that being said, cutting on gear is A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME for beginners/ the first 2-3 cycles imo
what you are doing IS cutting / reverse dieting. makes no sense. you wont gain fat if you up your kcals by 1000 a day right now, instantly. lots of water/glycogen, yes. fat, no.
you dont gain shit if calories are low, and certainly not with beginner dosages
cutting on gear yields extremely unimpressive results compared to bulking with gear for beginners, unless you hit the tren right from the start
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First your lucky to be able to obtain all pharma. If your only four weeks in it's way to early to judge because test is still building up in your system.
^^^THIS
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If your only four weeks in it's way to early to judge because test is still building up in your system.
^^^THIS
bullshit, even if you inject test E only once a week you have pretty much peak levels in your blood after 2 weeks
i dont know where the fuck these myths come from ::)
www.steroidplot.com
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bullshit, even if you inject test E only once a week you have pretty much peak levels in your blood after 2 weeks
i dont know where the fuck these myths come from ::)
www.steroidplot.com
He`s still not gonna` realize the full potential of lets say a 16 week or more cycle.
Use your fucking head.
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He`s still not gonna` realize the full potential of lets say a 16 week or more cycle.
Use your fucking head.
who the fuck cares, 2 weeks off 16 weeks is nothing
and you DO notice changes within 4 weeks on test E, smartass.
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No...I too became dyslexic.
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I did prop once and i hated the way it made me look.
I much rather prefer test E. You may have to experiment and see what drugs work best for you. I only like certain aas, some that will make me look like shit will make others look great and vice a versa.
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some are meant for long distance running, some are meant for lifting weights. chichaua or pitbull, genes play a role.
some people don't know hard training, some cant shovel enough food.
.. but then again maybe you just got bunk gear
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who the fuck cares, 2 weeks off 16 weeks is nothing
and you DO notice changes within 4 weeks on test E, smartass.
Sorry bud,didn`t mean to come off as an asshole........I apologize. ;)
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Sorry bud,didn`t mean to come off as an asshole........I apologize. ;)
apologize for calling you a smartass too then, lol
we all get the getbig forum rage here and there :D
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bullshit, even if you inject test E only once a week you have pretty much peak levels in your blood after 2 weeks
i dont know where the fuck these myths come from ::)
www.steroidplot.com
hormones act in various ways... some fast some slow...
testosterone begins a cascade of events that don't simply "finish" once your blood levels of some drug are "stable."
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apologize for calling you a smartass too then, lol
we all get the getbig forum rage here and there :D
Yes we do! ;)
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Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit.
I think I told you that 6 months ago. Could've saved some $.
Begin obstacle course training immediately.
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hormones act in various ways... some fast some slow...
testosterone begins a cascade of events that don't simply "finish" once your blood levels of some drug are "stable."
well, true, but the "obvious" effects (=instantly noticable) are increases in glycogen/water retention and protein synthesis and these correspond to blood levels of testosterone. the effects on DNA transcription/translation and protein metabolism dont take weeks to occur, theyre a pretty instant reaction to increased testosterone levels
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that being said, cutting on gear is A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME for beginners/ the first 2-3 cycles imo
what you are doing IS cutting / reverse dieting. makes no sense. you wont gain fat if you up your kcals by 1000 a day right now, instantly. lots of water/glycogen, yes. fat, no.
you dont gain shit if calories are low, and certainly not with beginner dosages
cutting on gear yields extremely unimpressive results compared to bulking with gear for beginners, unless you hit the tren right from the start
I disagree on the cutting on gear part. Maybe you retain muscle easily on a cut but personally, as a natural i simply shrink and my strengh completly sinks when calories get restricted.
To me it makes the most sense blasting the more gear on a big caloric deficit, yes you wont gain muscle (maybe a tiny bit tho) but you will lose fat FAST and without losing muscle tissue or strengh (both are related imo..). You are a bit "flat" but the muscle stays from the gear. The drugs also enhance fat loss, makes you less tired, more stamina for cardio or fast paced workouts.
To me gear is MANDATORY when cutting. I would never diet severly if not on anabolics.
Growing takes gear too but most importantly progress in the gym and lots of calories.
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Sorry bud,didn`t mean to come off as an asshole........I apologize. ;)
apologize for calling you a smartass too then, lol
we all get the getbig forum rage here and there :D
You're both assholes and smart-asses.
...hope this helps :)
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;D
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I disagree on the cutting on gear part. Maybe you retain muscle easily on a cut but personally, as a natural i simply shrink and my strengh completly sinks when calories get restricted.
To me it makes the most sense blasting the more gear on a big caloric deficit, yes you wont gain muscle (maybe a tiny bit tho) but you will lose fat FAST and without losing muscle tissue or strengh (both are related imo..). You are a bit "flat" but the muscle stays from the gear. The drugs also enhance fat loss, makes you less tired, more stamina for cardio or fast paced workouts.
To me gear is MANDATORY when cutting. I would never diet severly if not on anabolics.
Growing takes gear too but most importantly progress in the gym and lots of calories.
completely agree, but thats why i said for beginners/naturals
i mean put a 2 year natural lifter with average genetics and physique development on a cycle of 500mg test on a cutting diet
nothings gonna happen except for the fact that he wont lose muscle and maybe lose fat a tiny bit faster
put the same guy on 500mg test on a bulking diet and hell blow the fuck up and gain at least 20lbs within a few weeks
thats why i said for a beginner steroids and low calories are a waste of time
now if you have an advanced lifter who regularly blasts and cruises in between or someone whos well above his natural genetic limit and tries to cut naturally or on low dosages... obviously hes gonna lose a fuckton of muscle...
if youre 200lbs 10% bodyfat and looking to cut down to shredded mode then you need a ton of AAS to not lose muscle
but if youre the average 180 lbs 15% bodyfat recreational steroid user then cutting on gear is a waste of time
and lets be real here, most people are no more than at best 180lbs soaking wet and a blubbery 15% bodyfat when first touching AAS.
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I was never a good responder. ....
Right now I'm on a TRT type program of 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of Deca....
Part of being genetically gifted as a bber is not just response to training but response to gear.
lol are you serious?!. 200mg and 300mg/week test deca is a TRT dose?!
thats about 50x more than TRT dose.
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
i used less than your TRT dose even when 'on'...
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TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
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Exogenous use of synthetic testosterone derivatives are counterproductive. They will not increase muscle hypertrophy rates one bit. Creatine HCL will help some people who respond to it. DHEA use has nothing whatsoever to do w/ bb'ing. After age 40 or so its just good health to maintain high DHEA-S levels. Using something natural like the sexy BIG girl below to maintain endogenous test. levels help though. :)
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if youre 200lbs 10% bodyfat and looking to cut down to shredded mode then you need a ton of AAS to not lose muscle
but if youre the average 180 lbs 15% bodyfat recreational steroid user then cutting on gear is a waste of time
and lets be real here, most people are no more than at best 180lbs soaking wet and a blubbery 15% bodyfat when first touching AAS.
rubbish. seriously have any of you guys trained without gear?..or gone for a decade or more of considerable amounts of time on and OFF gear?..like 2 years + off in between cycles?
and since when was 15% BFAT blubbery?
its clear from reading posts on this board since 1998 that more and more people rely solely on gear, and believe that no muscle was ever gained or retained without it.
you can hold and even increase muscle, while staying lean, after cycles. there is a good 6 months or more before you get back to the same level, and it depends on the dose you used. low doses and hard training put on quality muscle that stays there.
big doses make you lazy and you lose the mindset to train hard and eat well..and rack up muscle loss as part of the deal. its a cop out.
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In short, no.
In long, yes.
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serious.
TRT is given at 1000mg reandron every 12 weeks. look it up. its equivalent to about 10mg test/week.
at 30 years old, test production is normal at 270ng/dl..
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serious.
TRT is given at 1000mg reandron every 12 weeks. look it up. its equivalent to about 10mg test/week.
at 30 years old, test production is normal at 270ng/dl..
1000mg per 12 weeks is roughly 80mg per week
3rd grade mathematics. 1000:12= ???? ::) ::)
and lmao @ 270ng/dl being a normal level for a 30 yo
for a 30 yo penisless hermaphrodite maybe :D
also lol@ your above comment
youre completely delusional
this is a bodybuilding forum
but dont worry, ill just go back to the AAS forums to the guys who actually have a clue of BODYBUILDING and leave you here with your delusions.
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lol are you serious?!. 200mg and 300mg/week test deca is a TRT dose?!
thats about 50x more than TRT dose.
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
i used less than your TRT dose even when 'on'...
I don't what doctor you see or what kind of testosterone you use but Watson cypionate comes in either 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml. I don't know how you dose 8-15 mg.
But whatever. I get a blood test every 4 months and 200mg/wk of Test keeps me at high normal levels.
A competitive pro I know, and remember they tend to under state how much they use, is on a gram, 1,000mg, per DAY when bulking. That doesn't include the grams of EQ and Deca that is thrown in the mix. Also, don't forget the orals.
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serious.
TRT is given at 1000mg reandron every 12 weeks. look it up. its equivalent to about 10mg test/week.
at 30 years old, test production is normal at 270ng/dl..
Metabolisms differ and they adjust the injection interval depending on what kind of levels you achieve. I'm too lazy to go look it up again but some get their shot every 6 weeks for example.
And normal production is like up to 10mg per day.
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Keep in mind the typical TRT program for your internist or family doc is done on an almost know-nothing basis. TRT is not a significant part of medical training. it's something pursued afterwards by those specifically interested in that patient group.
So there are still insane recommendations for large bolus shots every 3-4 weeks of drugs like testosterone cypionate. Just because any random doctor does it, doesn't mean it is good.
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Keep in mind the typical TRT program for your internist or family doc is done on an almost know-nothing basis. TRT is not a significant part of medical training. it's something pursued afterwards by those specifically interested in that patient group.
So there are still insane recommendations for large bolus shots every 3-4 weeks of drugs like testosterone cypionate. Just because any random doctor does it, doesn't mean it is good.
spot on
docs dont know shit
the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average doc
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try eating ???
Have you finished that Blizzard from last week?
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the general trt dose is 100-125 mg per week
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rubbish. seriously have any of you guys trained without gear?..or gone for a decade or more of considerable amounts of time on and OFF gear?..like 2 years + off in between cycles?
and since when was 15% BFAT blubbery?
its clear from reading posts on this board since 1998 that more and more people rely solely on gear, and believe that no muscle was ever gained or retained without it.
you can hold and even increase muscle, while staying lean, after cycles. there is a good 6 months or more before you get back to the same level, and it depends on the dose you used. low doses and hard training put on quality muscle that stays there.
big doses make you lazy and you lose the mindset to train hard and eat well..and rack up muscle loss as part of the deal. its a cop out.
QFT too many people rely too much on drugs. nothing wrong with 500mg of test e with either 200mg equ or 200mg tren e while eating clean
and just work out hard.
when people come off they still eat like before and get depressed ::)
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"docs dont know shit the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average docdocs dont know shit the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average doc"
The ignorance exemplified in the above ^ statement typifies why steroids outlawed. Screwing w/ the delicate balance of the endocrine system outside the scope of, & often including, professional medical treatment has to the most underrated threats to public health of young people.
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Some of the bigger names in trt therapy (Gordon and Crisler) are going to lower doses/more frequent pinning. Somewhere around 60 to 80mg per week to eliminate ai, etc. As stated, though, bloodtests are the key.
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the general trt dose is 100-125 mg per week
Are you on TRT?
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"docs dont know shit the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average docdocs dont know shit the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average doc"
The ignorance exemplified in the above ^ statement typifies why steroids outlawed. Screwing w/ the delicate balance of the endocrine system outside the scope of, & often including, professional medical treatment has to the most underrated threats to public health of young people.
"professional medical treatment" like 200mg test cyp every 4 weeks (regularly prescribed dosage), which leaves you with pretty much zero testosterone for a whole 2 weeks, from 2 weeks after the injection?
or the "better" regularly prescribed dosage of 200mg test cyp every 2 weeks, which makes your testosterone levels fluctuate like THIS?
this is the testosterone level of the average TRT patient
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yeah, sure must be healthy having your test level fluctuate between 3mg and 20mg a day over the course of two weeks ::) ::)
not even the most retarded of steroid users inject testosterone every 2 weeks
even 1 week is pushing it for cyp and E esters
and you tell me docs got a clue ::)
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Are you on TRT?
nope
getting a new stash on sunday and i'll start off with this
50 mg test prop eod
50 mg drol ed
now i'm running this
100 mg test prop ed
30 mg tren ace ed
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Test by itself sucks. I can't believe no one has mentioned that. You need at least one other compound to go with it. Test by itself just makes you a little bit thicker. Eventually if you don't eat perfect and take an ai you end up looking like a puffer fish.
Try 500 test prop 300 npp
Or 500 test 300 masteron
Or 500 test 300 tren
Possibilities are endless. The second compound adds the "look" to the muscle. That is what you are missing. Try 500 test 300 masteron you will take on a tighter harder look with a slight roundness to your muscle that blows test only away. Switch masteron for deca or Npp you will have a cartoonish shape and roundness to your muscle.
I waste a lot of time playing with test only. Personally I think it sucks. Even adding an oral will double your results.
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I remember when i was around 23 i got 200 duratest 250 amps from organon for 900.00 and i started doing 2 a week then 3 then 6 all the way up to 8 so 2grams a week and it didnt do as much as i thought,pretty much same as 750mgs a week.I didnt respond well to test.I got gret results from dbol and eq,deca and test nothing i expected at all.
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I find it funny how everyone is completely ignoring the fact that he's only been running it for 4 weeks and he eats 2,000 calories a day.
"yeah you need to up the dosage man" ::) ::)
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I find it funny how everyone is completely ignoring the fact that he's only been running it for 4 weeks and he eats 2,000 calories a day.
"yeah you need to up the dosage man" ::) ::)
Did you read the responses on the first page at all?
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rubbish. seriously have any of you guys trained without gear?..or gone for a decade or more of considerable amounts of time on and OFF gear?..like 2 years + off in between cycles?
and since when was 15% BFAT blubbery?
its clear from reading posts on this board since 1998 that more and more people rely solely on gear, and believe that no muscle was ever gained or retained without it.
you can hold and even increase muscle, while staying lean, after cycles. there is a good 6 months or more before you get back to the same level, and it depends on the dose you used. low doses and hard training put on quality muscle that stays there.
big doses make you lazy and you lose the mindset to train hard and eat well..and rack up muscle loss as part of the deal. its a cop out.
Have you posted a pic showing what you have achieved naturally?
And as far as with the upper levels, I find the opposite to be true to what you claim. Some NPC/Pros won't even bother to step into a gym without being juiced to the gills. They figure that they have far exceeded their natural limit and no amount of training, food, sleep, nutrition supps are going to make any difference in their physique.
Why bust your ass knowing it won't make a difference? It's only when they are pumping in the vials do they figure it worth it to go balls to the wall.
Being gassed motivates them to train harder.
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Some of the bigger names in trt therapy (Gordon and Crisler) are going to lower doses/more frequent pinning. Somewhere around 60 to 80mg per week to eliminate ai, etc. As stated, though, bloodtests are the key.
Remember, when taking into account the ester, 100mg Test Cyp/Enan will give you about 80mg of actual Test. A healthy man in his mid twenties is producing about 75mg/wk.
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Have you posted a pic showing what you have achieved naturally?
And as far as with the upper levels, I find the opposite to be true to what you claim. Some NPC/Pros won't even bother to step into a gym without being juiced to the gills. They figure that they have far exceeded their natural limit and no amount of training, food, sleep, nutrition supps are going to make any difference in their physique.
Why bust your ass knowing it won't make a difference? It's only when they are pumping in the vials do they figure it worth it to go balls to the wall.
Being gassed motivates them to train harder.
TRUE,,,until they reach the point and accept they will never resemble there true stage look or peak off season size and truly move on...it doesn't mean some trt won't be used sometime/somewhere in there lives ,but some older pros sport pretty good builds yet,tom terwillinger,labrada,haney'considering his old look 'massive,mro'there training is less and poundages are probably not a fraction or close..going to the gym is a good thing in the end,,bbers kill it cause it get them to there final goal 'the stage'
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TRUE,,,until they reach the point and accept they will never resemble there true stage look or peak off season size and truly move on...it doesn't mean some trt won't be used sometime/somewhere in there lives ,but some older pros sport pretty good builds yet,tom terwillinger,labrada,haney'considering his old look 'massive,mro'there training is less and poundages are probably not a fraction or close..going to the gym is a good thing in the end,,bbers kill it cause it get them to there final goal 'the stage'
Hmm, very insightful post.
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As i mentioned, im reverse dieting by november or so, i should be up around 3200 cals or something and hopefully maintaining condition. You guys eating over 3000 a day and lean are ectos. I dont have that luxury
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Hmm, very insightful post.
thanks pellius,just my 2 cents...u always have some good insight or truth without the fluff...
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Right now I'm on a TRT type program of 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of Deca.
So a total of 500 mg testosterone and one of its derivatives is TRT. :) Nice.
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So a total of 500 mg testosterone and one of its derivatives is TRT. :) Nice.
I think I need to have a consult with his TRT doc, stat!
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So a total of 500 mg testosterone and one of its derivatives is TRT. :) Nice.
i'm taking about 500 mg a week, so i must be or TRT too ;D
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i'm taking about 500 mg a week, so i must be or TRT too ;D
TRT as defined by bodybuilders and You Tube stars: 500 to 1000 mg per week.
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lets just coin the term TIT
testosterone increasing therapy
"u on trt brah?"
nah im on tit bro.
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So a total of 500 mg testosterone and one of its derivatives is TRT. :) Nice.
TRT "type" program. TRT is Testosterone Replacement Therapy.
That was determined and is administrated by an endocrinologist.
The Deca I do on my own. Deca is not used in any TRT program, hence the "type" qualifier.
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Have you posted a pic showing what you have achieved naturally?
And as far as with the upper levels, I find the opposite to be true to what you claim. Some NPC/Pros won't even bother to step into a gym without being juiced to the gills. They figure that they have far exceeded their natural limit and no amount of training, food, sleep, nutrition supps are going to make any difference in their physique.
Why bust your ass knowing it won't make a difference? It's only when they are pumping in the vials do they figure it worth it to go balls to the wall.
Being gassed motivates them to train harder.
Totally mental and against the principles but thats modern BBing.
Alchemists with De-illusions of grandeur.
Walking experiments of the nonsense age 'age of awakening' otherwise they will say..