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Due to hysteria the line of reality & fantasy re: steroid use has been blurred so bad its invisible. People see pro bb'ers & think steroids. People now are convinced using steroids is the drug equivalent of beer or MJ. This is sooo wrong its beyond stupidity. Long-term tampering w/ a very delicate balance of chemicals such as hormones is IMO far worse than getting high or drunk.
We as grown men need to realize kids come on here & are influenced by what vets like us post. Steroid use is NOT obligatory w/ bb'ing. Tens of thousands of kids are right now f'in themselves up for life (Taylor Hooten) thinking they have to use steroidsz to get huge or be cool. Its a tragedy we can prevent, its up to us...
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Start using paragraphs or I'll delete your shitty threads.
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Start using paragraphs or I'll delete your shitty threads.
Lmao...you tell him!
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Again I ask: why do all your stupid gimmicks always give this identical monologue? Don't you want to even try to pretend you are more than one sentient being?
Attention mods: please insert picture of Cankles McCankle on the beach, thx.
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Start using paragraphs or I'll delete your shitty threads.
LOL. That's not quite the response that he was expecting
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Due to hysteria the line of reality & fantasy re: steroid use has been blurred so bad its invisible. People see pro bb'ers & think steroids. People now are convinced using steroids is the drug equivalent of beer or MJ. This is sooo wrong its beyond stupidity. Long-term tampering w/ a very delicate balance of chemicals such as hormones is IMO far worse than getting high or drunk. We as grown men need to realize kids come on here & are influenced by what vets like us post. Steroid use is NOT obligatory w/ bb'ing. Tens of thousands of kids are right now f'in themselves up for life (Taylor Hooten) thinking they have to use steroidsz to get huge or be cool. Its a tragedy we can prevent, its up to us...
A kid who was on antidepressants killed himself ten years ago and you blame steroids? Wake up. I'd rather have a kid take roids than smoke or drink.
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While I am sure this won't be new to anyone, The New England Journal of Medicine and JAMA have unequivocally stated that not a single
death can be directly attributable to steroid use. You can't even take a single overdose of any single steroid.
Having said that, they are nothing to take without knowledge and respect.
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Its medically/pathologically impossible to directly link steroid use & deaths since they replace an endogenously produced chemical. IOW BS logic.
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Your point, besides proving just what another little internet worm you are? I have long since stopped giving ashit what little runt trt old men on the f'in internet think of me. I'm growing like a weed yet all I use is creatine & everyone lives in some geriatric bb'ing fantasy world thinking becuz some quack scribes them some low dose test. their juicin'. What a joke!
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The reality is that steroids can be good or bad for you, depending on the circumstances. My dad had a heart attack a while back, and after the surgery, they prescribed steroids, and quite a few doctors have told me that they are beneficial for you, with the proper guidance and in the right circumstances.
So many people are against steroids, yet, time after time out here, the addictions that destroy lives are heroin (which is coming back sadly), hardcore drugs (cocaine) and believe it or not, freaking drunks that drive that can't understand how they can destroy, kills and hurt people until it is too late.
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Is your dad using sterods to exist in some bb'ing geriatric delusion? Of course not! In sick people drugs often help heal, in healthy people they make sick. There is no such thing as a "super chemical balance". Artificial elevation of a man's test. level beyond a healthy range is counter-productive. PEDs are total BS.
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Its medically/pathologically impossible to directly link steroid use & deaths since they replace an endogenously produced chemical. IOW BS logic.
I apologize as I don't know what IOW BS logic" means.
I am also not sure if I completely agree with your conclusion as to the lack of correlation.
Just as a point, one can overdose on insulin.
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Insofar as I can determine, there is no known drug that will improve the performance, or increase the muscular mass, of a healthy individual. Furthermore, I would like to go record at this point by stating…”I do not believe that such drug will ever be discovered. I think that such a result from any chemical is impossible.”
I am fully aware that some drugs can improve the condition of a weakened individual, in cases of sickness or accident…but I also believe that a state of normal health is possible only in the presence of a very delicate chemical balance that is regulated automatically by the system. If any chemical is added for the purpose of upsetting this balance, the result can only be counterproductive.
In effect, there is no such thing as a “super chemical balance”…if the chemical balance is normal, you are healthy…if not, you are sick…and it matters not whether the state of imbalance is produced by too much or too little of a practical chemical. This has been proven repeatedly in literally thousands of tests conducted with animal subjects, and no slightest evidence exists in support of an opposite result with either animal of human subjects.
Certain hormones will help add muscular mass to a steer, or a gelding…but they will NOT produce the same result with a bull or a stallion. When an animal has been castrated, removing the testicles produces an abnormal situation where normal growth is impossible, giving such an animal the hormone drugs merely tends to restore a normal situation, a situation that would have existed naturally if the animal had not been castrated.
In such cases you are merely removing something and then trying to replace it in another manner; first creating a subnormal condition and then trying to restore normal health.
Yet the widespread bias in favor of such so called “growth drugs” borders on hysteria. Even suggesting that the use of these drugs is anything less than necessary automatically labels you a fool in some circles. And there is certainly no doubt that a lot of people are being fooled on this subject; but you can NOT fool your endocrine system, and when you add an un-required chemical for the purpose of disturbing a normal balance, you are NOT improving the situation.
Pointing to recent strength records as proof of the value of such drugs actually proves nothing. The fact remains that the single strongest human recorded in history established his records long before the drugs were ever used. Paul Anderson established records prior to 1958 that have never been approached and androgenic-anabolic drugs were apparently first used in athletic circles in 1960.
Bob Peoples established a deadlift record thirty years ago, lifting nearly 800 pounds at a bodyweight of approximately 180; today, a very few individuals have reached or passed that level of performance…but most of them weigh nearly twice as much as he did, and some of them weigh more than twice as much.
Men who establish such records are merely statistical standouts, literally genetic freaks; they are NOT the products of drugs, regardless of their opinions on the subject.
Great strength is a result of two factors…(1) individual potential, which cannot be improved…and (2) hard training, which will increase the strength of almost anybody.
But a third factor exists as a prerequisite…NORMAL HEALTH, without which, reaching the limits of potential strength is simply impossible. So you can improve a sick individual in some cases, but you can NOT turn a normal individual into a superman by chemical means. Such a result is impossible, and ridiculous on the face of it.Insofar as I can determine, there is no known drug that will improve the performance, or increase the muscular mass, of a healthy individual. Furthermore, I would like to go record at this point by stating…”I do not believe that such drug will ever be discovered. I think that such a result from any chemical is impossible.”
I am fully aware that some drugs can improve the condition of a weakened individual, in cases of sickness or accident…but I also believe that a state of normal health is possible only in the presence of a very delicate chemical balance that is regulated automatically by the system. If any chemical is added for the purpose of upsetting this balance, the result can only be counterproductive.
In effect, there is no such thing as a “super chemical balance”…if the chemical balance is normal, you are healthy…if not, you are sick…and it matters not whether the state of imbalance is produced by too much or too little of a practical chemical. This has been proven repeatedly in literally thousands of tests conducted with animal subjects, and no slightest evidence exists in support of an opposite result with either animal of human subjects.
Certain hormones will help add muscular mass to a steer, or a gelding…but they will NOT produce the same result with a bull or a stallion. When an animal has been castrated, removing the testicles produces an abnormal situation where normal growth is impossible, giving such an animal the hormone drugs merely tends to restore a normal situation, a situation that would have existed naturally if the animal had not been castrated.
In such cases you are merely removing something and then trying to replace it in another manner; first creating a subnormal condition and then trying to restore normal health.
Yet the widespread bias in favor of such so called “growth drugs” borders on hysteria. Even suggesting that the use of these drugs is anything less than necessary automatically labels you a fool in some circles. And there is certainly no doubt that a lot of people are being fooled on this subject; but you can NOT fool your endocrine system, and when you add an un-required chemical for the purpose of disturbing a normal balance, you are NOT improving the situation.
Pointing to recent strength records as proof of the value of such drugs actually proves nothing. The fact remains that the single strongest human recorded in history established his records long before the drugs were ever used. Paul Anderson established records prior to 1958 that have never been approached and androgenic-anabolic drugs were apparently first used in athletic circles in 1960.
Bob Peoples established a deadlift record thirty years ago, lifting nearly 800 pounds at a bodyweight of approximately 180; today, a very few individuals have reached or passed that level of performance…but most of them weigh nearly twice as much as he did, and some of them weigh more than twice as much.
Men who establish such records are merely statistical standouts, literally genetic freaks; they are NOT the products of drugs, regardless of their opinions on the subject.
Great strength is a result of two factors…(1) individual potential, which cannot be improved…and (2) hard training, which will increase the strength of almost anybody.
But a third factor exists as a prerequisite…NORMAL HEALTH, without which, reaching the limits of potential strength is simply impossible. So you can improve a sick individual in some cases, but you can NOT turn a normal individual into a superman by chemical means. Such a result is impossible, and ridiculous on the face of it.
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Due to hysteria the line of reality & fantasy re: steroid use has been blurred so bad its invisible. People see pro bb'ers & think steroids. People now are convinced using steroids is the drug equivalent of beer or MJ. This is sooo wrong its beyond stupidity. Long-term tampering w/ a very delicate balance of chemicals such as hormones is IMO far worse than getting high or drunk.
We as grown men need to realize kids come on here & are influenced by what vets like us post. Steroid use is NOT obligatory w/ bb'ing. Tens of thousands of kids are right now f'in themselves up for life (Taylor Hooten) thinking they have to use steroidsz to get huge or be cool. Its a tragedy we can prevent, its up to us...
Please shoot yourself.
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Is your dad using sterods to exist in some bb'ing geriatric delusion? Of course not! In sick people drugs often help heal, in healthy people they make sick. There is no such thing as a "super chemical balance". Artificial elevation of a man's test. level beyond a healthy range is counter-productive. PEDs are total BS.
Why don't you call him and ask? ::)
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The reality is that steroids can be good or bad for you, depending on the circumstances. My dad had a heart attack a while back, and after the surgery, they prescribed steroids, and quite a few doctors have told me that they are beneficial for you, with the proper guidance and in the right circumstances.
So many people are against steroids, yet, time after time out here, the addictions that destroy lives are heroin (which is coming back sadly), hardcore drugs (cocaine) and believe it or not, freaking drunks that drive that can't understand how they can destroy, kills and hurt people until it is too late.
This! Well said, Ron.
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Not sure what the OP is thinking really. All we do here is make fun of the bloated insulin pigs on stage today. Last thing anyone around here tries to get anyone else to do is take steroids.
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Due to hysteria the line of reality & fantasy re: steroid use has been blurred so bad its invisible. People see pro bb'ers & think steroids. People now are convinced using steroids is the drug equivalent of beer or MJ. This is sooo wrong its beyond stupidity. Long-term tampering w/ a very delicate balance of chemicals such as hormones is IMO far worse than getting high or drunk.
We as grown men need to realize kids come on here & are influenced by what vets like us post. Steroid use is NOT obligatory w/ bb'ing. Tens of thousands of kids are right now f'in themselves up for life (Taylor Hooten) thinking they have to use steroidsz to get huge or be cool. Its a tragedy we can prevent, its up to us...
I wouldn't say it's up to a message board to help kids perceptions. The media is probably the number one cause for increased steroid use. If you hear all your top athletes take drugs...makes sense for you to do the same. It's funny that the media usually perpetuates their own "problems". They could care less about people's health, much like the government...but the topic gets ratings.
Most people assume drugs are needed to gain a decent amount of muscle and the reality for most people is...yes, they need them. Most don't have the genetics, drive, or consistency of a period of time to gain a lot of lean mass. Rather than do what is needed without drugs, it's probably the first thing most turn to. Look at the sad state of gyms today...a sea of pussies. ;). Cell phone in one hand, chronic chat breaks, light weight, no intensity, heavy drugs...weak all the way.
The Taylor Hooten story really had little to do with steroids. The kid was on prescription medication. It's laughable they tried to tie that to steroids...as most bs the media spews. Steroids used properly in low doses are probably not that dangerous, but the lack of effort/heart generation their promoting is the problem.
In the end, what does any of it really matter.
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OP is one of the better trolls these days for the sheer amount of effort he puts into writing out his bs :D
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I wouldn't say it's up to a message board to help kids perceptions. The media is probably the number one cause for increased steroid use. If you hear all your top athletes take drugs...makes sense for you to do the same. It's funny that the media usually perpetuates their own "problems". They could care less about people's health, much like the government...but the topic gets ratings.
Most people assume drugs are needed to gain a decent amount of muscle and the reality for most people is...yes, they need them. Most don't have the genetics, drive, or consistency of a period of time to gain a lot of lean mass. Rather than do what is needed without drugs, it's probably the first thing most turn to. Look at the sad state of gyms today...a sea of pussies. ;). Cell phone in one hand, chronic chat breaks, light weight, no intensity, heavy drugs...weak all the way.
The Taylor Hooten story really had little to do with steroids. The kid was on prescription medication. It's laughable they tried to tie that to steroids...as most bs the media spews. Steroids used properly in low doses are probably not that dangerous, but the lack of effort/heart generation their promoting is the problem.
In the end, what does any of it really matter.
Yes but Biden was there front and center to make sure the country got to the bottom of this.
A national treasure.
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Fuckoff Joon.
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Your point, besides proving just what another little internet worm you are? I have long since stopped giving ashit what little runt trt old men on the f'in internet think of me. I'm growing like a weed yet all I use is creatine & everyone lives in some geriatric bb'ing fantasy world thinking becuz some quack scribes them some low dose test. their juicin'. What a joke!
Hi Layne Norton! :D
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OP is one of the better trolls these days for the sheer amount of effort he puts into writing out his bs :D
Bump
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People just think of all the positives and the guys who made it to their 70s after decades of abusing steroids. They don't think of all the guys with destroyed internal organs/cancer etc...
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Pls ban this piece of shit someone.
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People just think of all the positives and the guys who made it to their 70s after decades of abusing steroids. They don't think of all the guys with destroyed internal organs/cancer etc...
A lot of health problems are determined by one's DNA and lifestyle. Hormone abuse can be dangerous and stupid, however, it can be beneficial in the case of TRT where natural hormones are not in healthy ranges and must be replaced with exogenous administration.
Hormones are the way of the future (especially HGH). I am not arguing that everybody should start using AAS in the 3-5 grams per week ranges, with tons of GH, slin and diuretics. Nevertheless, in my experience HGH and small/moderate AAS cycles have changed my life for the better. There are so many examples of hormone enhanced athletes and celebrities who are success in real life.
Even if I had all the money and bitches in the world it won't be worth shit if I look like some fatass estrogen bitch. It's evolution.
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Tatlor Hootens suicide was directly because of the severe depression caused by his steroid use. His physician scribed him an anti-depressant to help. If a forum exists on this board that solely deals w/ steroid use then this board' whose influence is significant, is part of the problem. Old men openly discussing dosages of stroids they use because of some ignorant quack who scribes them is sheer stupidity. DHEA holds far more therapeutic possibilities than test. or any of it's derivatives because it is a non-parental steroid. That being exogenous supplementation doesn't have a negative-feedback loop effect on the HPTA as any test. use does, even in hypogonadal men.
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The government complains we are all living too long anyway, legalize steroids it will help reduce the population lol.
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:Actually it only pointlessly takes up dialysis machines & the valuable time of cardiologists.
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The government complains we are all living too long anyway, legalize steroids it will help reduce the population lol.
They are legal in the country you live in you fucking fool
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My bad for opening this thread :-\
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Tatlor Hootens suicide was directly because of the severe depression caused by his steroid use. His physician scribed him an anti-depressant to help. If a forum exists on this board that solely deals w/ steroid use then this board' whose influence is significant, is part of the problem. Old men openly discussing dosages of stroids they use because of some ignorant quack who scribes them is sheer stupidity. DHEA holds far more therapeutic possibilities than test. or any of it's derivatives because it is a non-parental steroid. That being exogenous supplementation doesn't have a negative-feedback loop effect on the HPTA as any test. use does, even in hypogonadal men.
Taylor Hooton was the victim of controlling closed minded parents. Such parents can drive their children to suicide. It is far easier for such parents to look for something to blame rather than look at how their parenting fucked their kid up. Hope this helps
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Is your dad using sterods to exist in some bb'ing geriatric delusion? Of course not! In sick people drugs often help heal, in healthy people they make sick. There is no such thing as a "super chemical balance". Artificial elevation of a man's test. level beyond a healthy range is counter-productive. PEDs are total BS.
Reg Park died at 79, Steve Reeves at 74, Larry Scott at 75, Sergio Oliva, Serge Nubret and countless others were over 70 when they passed.
Robby Robinson, Frank Zane, Bill Pearl, Boyer Coe and countless others all still going strong in their 70's and 80's.
Robby Robinson now at 69 doing well still
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Frank Zane doing well at 73, this was him not too long ago
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People just think of all the positives and the guys who made it to their 70s after decades of abusing steroids. They don't think of all the guys with destroyed internal organs/cancer etc...
because many of those guys who had internal organ failure were abusing pain/prescription meds, diuretics and rec drugs.
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You dumb fuck, you came to a bodybuilding board full of hormone addicts to preach about their dangers? Why don't you go to a whore house and preach morals?
What a fukking asswipe shitstain homo one must be to waste time on this crap. Are you crippled/deformed and never leave your basement so have time for this nonsesne or something similar?
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You dumb fuck, you came to a bodybuilding board full of hormone addicts to preach about their dangers? Why don't you go to a whore house and preach morals?
What a fukking asswipe shitstain homo one must be to waste time on this crap. Are you crippled/deformed and never leave your basement so have time for this nonsesne or something similar?
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You dumb fuck, you came to a bodybuilding board full of hormone addicts to preach about their dangers? Why don't you go to a whore house and preach morals?
What a fukking asswipe shitstain homo one must be to waste time on this crap. Are you crippled/deformed and never leave your basement so have time for this nonsesne or something similar?
Maybe he's the guy who goes to Bourbon Street and holds the big cross preaching the word of the lord?
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The reality is that steroids can be good or bad for you, depending on the circumstances. My dad had a heart attack a while back, and after the surgery, they prescribed steroids, and quite a few doctors have told me that they are beneficial for you, with the proper guidance and in the right circumstances.
So many people are against steroids, yet, time after time out here, the addictions that destroy lives are heroin (which is coming back sadly), hardcore drugs (cocaine) and believe it or not, freaking drunks that drive that can't understand how they can destroy, kills and hurt people until it is too late.
If it was via a doctor it would be even better. Either way, better than smoking or drinking. It also often goes along with a healthy lifestyle of working out and watching diet. Probably makes a lot of psychotropic meds unnecessary also.
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Tatlor Hootens suicide was directly because of the severe depression caused by his steroid use. His physician scribed him an anti-depressant to help. If a forum exists on this board that solely deals w/ steroid use then this board' whose influence is significant, is part of the problem. Old men openly discussing dosages of stroids they use because of some ignorant quack who scribes them is sheer stupidity. DHEA holds far more therapeutic possibilities than test. or any of it's derivatives because it is a non-parental steroid. That being exogenous supplementation doesn't have a negative-feedback loop effect on the HPTA as any test. use does, even in hypogonadal men.
His problem was genetic predisposition to depression. Where were the parents? And wasn't this like 10 years ago? Meanwhile many tens or hundreds of thousands have used without a problem. You are looking for a problem that isn't there. And your trolling implying that somehow steroids don't work is laughable.
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Tatlor Hootens suicide was directly because of the severe depression caused by his steroid use. His physician scribed him an anti-depressant to help. If a forum exists on this board that solely deals w/ steroid use then this board' whose influence is significant, is part of the problem. Old men openly discussing dosages of stroids they use because of some ignorant quack who scribes them is sheer stupidity. DHEA holds far more therapeutic possibilities than test. or any of it's derivatives because it is a non-parental steroid. That being exogenous supplementation doesn't have a negative-feedback loop effect on the HPTA as any test. use does, even in hypogonadal men.
Complete bunk. The kid was on anti-depressants before he took steroids. It was the fucking psychotropic drugs that tossed him over the edge. His grieving father couldn't bear to know that his approval for the drugs for his son was a factor in his death, needed to have another bogey-man, and the steroids were his target. Another day, he could have easily targeted soft drinks and we'd all need a special license for Coke.
(edit: why am I talking to the OP like his not a fucking retard gimmick?)
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:Actually it only pointlessly takes up dialysis machines & the valuable time of cardiologists.
You're simply a fuckin idiot that has no idea what you're talking about. I work in the medical field and 90% of the physicians I work with are on TRT. They also use GH daily. They laugh at the fact alcohol and tobacco are legal, but AAS and GH are not, and it boggles their minds why everybody above 30 isn't on TRT. I've been on AAS and GH for 5 years straight, on and off, mostly on for 19 years total. Blood work is perfectly normal, EKG perfectly normal, echocardiogram perfectly normal, kidneys and liver perfectly normal every single month. Just stop with your bullshit, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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We ban people for bumping threads and are left with THIS?
He should be banned for fear mongering.
I actually stopped what I was doing at work, so I could respond to this misinformation being displayed.
Nobody wants to see this shit.
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You're simply a fuckin idiot that has no idea what you're talking about. I work in the medical field and 90% of the physicians I work with are on TRT. They also use GH daily. They laugh at the fact alcohol and tobacco are legal, but AAS and GH are not, and it boggles their minds why everybody above 30 isn't on TRT. I've been on AAS and GH for 5 years straight, on and off, mostly on for 19 years total. Blood work is perfectly normal, EKG perfectly normal, echocardiogram perfectly normal, kidneys and liver perfectly normal every single month. Just stop with your bullshit, you have no idea what you're talking about.
^ this!
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I've been on AAS and GH for 5 years straight, on and off, mostly on for 19 years total.
You must be shamelessly jacked.
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They are legal in the country you live in you fucking fool
it's a fucking retarded law, they are legal to own and buy in person but illegal to sell or buy online. So you get black market goods and you don't really know wtf you are putting into your body. If you could walk into a pharmacy and buy them off the shelf then that is LEGAL
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Hulk-Smash ;D