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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Barber Shop Fined for not Cutting Woman’s Hair
By Todd Starnes
But the barbershop is still one of those places — a sanctuary for manliness. Except — that is – in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
John Interval owns Barbiere – a high end gentleman’s barber shop in the town of Washington. The shop features leather chairs, beer on tap and Sinatra on the stereo.
The other day Mr. Interval was slapped with a big fine after he refused to cut a lady’s hair – $750.
The state’s Bureau of Professional and Occupational Affairs said he was guilty of gender discrimination.
But Mr. Interval says it’s got nothing to do with discrimination.
“I didn’t really consider it so much a discrimination thing as — it’s a barber shop — for guys,” he told television station KDKA.
Seems a lot of folks agree with Mr. Interval. Nearly 100 have signed a petition opposing the board’s ruling.
“I think it’s ridiculous,” customer Jeff Andrewson,” told The Observer-Reporter. “You can clearly see no women come here to get their hair cut.”
But the state says the law is the law — which makes about as much sense as a guy going to a gynecologist for a prostate exam.
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/barber-shop-fined-for-not-cutting-womans-hair.html?intcmp=hplnws
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But the state says the law is the law — which makes about as much sense as a guy going to a gynecologist for a prostate exam.
But a prostate and a vagina are two different things. A hair is hair regardless of whether the owner is male or female. A woman who goes to a barbershop to get her haircut would probably want it in a pretty basic style- or at least a style that is common on guys. Assuming that's the case, what good reason is there to decline her business?
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But a prostate and a vagina are two different things. A hair is hair regardless of whether the owner is male or female. A woman who goes to a barbershop to get her haircut would probably want it in a pretty basic style- or at least a style that is common on guys. Assuming that's the case, what good reason is there to decline her business?
Hair is not hair. Men and women often have very different hairstyles, lengths, etc. Only way I could see this making sense is if the woman wanted her cut like a dude.
Still, who the heck files complaints over stupid stuff like this? What a bunch of pansies we have in this country these days. :-\
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And think about it: would you let someone cut your hair who is being forced to do so? What kind of cut do you think you'll get. lol
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And think about it: would you let someone cut your hair who is being forced to do so? What kind of cut do you think you'll get. lol
Now you're talking about two different things.
The reality is that no, they shouldn't go to someone who wouldn't want their business. That's ridiculous. Like making people who are against gay marriage bake you a cake. Fuck them. Don't give them your money.
However.
Hair is not hair. Men and women often have very different hairstyles, lengths, etc. Only way I could see this making sense is if the woman wanted her cut like a dude.
Still, who the heck files complaints over stupid stuff like this? What a bunch of pansies we have in this country these days. :-\
Wrong, hair IS hair.
A person has to be licensed to cut hair in a state. It's that simple. If you are a barber or a "stylist", you must pass certain amount of studies of both women and men, and you are licensed.
If a person can't cut both sexes, they probably aren't worth a shit anyway, but reality is that once you license something, you can't just decide I won't do it based on a sex of a person.
Fact: Barbers have tougher testing and regulations than food preparers.
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Still, who the heck files complaints over stupid stuff like this? What a bunch of pansies we have in this country these days. :-\
Kim Davis is probably 5 minutes from filing her own lawsuit. So there's that.
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Now you're talking about two different things.
The reality is that no, they shouldn't go to someone who wouldn't want their business. That's ridiculous. Like making people who are against gay marriage bake you a cake. Fuck them. Don't give them your money.
However.
Wrong, hair IS hair.
A person has to be licensed to cut hair in a state. It's that simple. If you are a barber or a "stylist", you must pass certain amount of studies of both women and men, and you are licensed.
If a person can't cut both sexes, they probably aren't worth a shit anyway, but reality is that once you license something, you can't just decide I won't do it based on a sex of a person.
Fact: Barbers have tougher testing and regulations than food preparers.
No, hair is not hair. I don't care what the requirements are for getting a license. In the real world, some places cater to certain genders. What kind of idiot is going to force someone to cut their hair period, much less someone who admits not being good at cutting the hair of a certain gender? This is ridiculous.
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Yes, hair is hair.
Hair is not hair. Men and women often have very different hairstyles, lengths, etc. Only way I could see this making sense is if the woman wanted her cut like a dude.
Like I said in the last post, if she went to a men's barbershop she probably wanted either a simple cut or a typically male cut. This is a picture of her:
(http://static3.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2352968.1441771469!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-barber-4-0908.jpg)
It's a typical male cut. If he declined to cut her hair because she's female, it's discrimination.
Still, who the heck files complaints over stupid stuff like this? What a bunch of pansies we have in this country these days. :-\
Being refused service based on gender is not silly and does not make her a pansy.
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Yes, hair is hair.
Like I said in the last post, if she went to a men's barbershop she probably wanted either a simple cut or a typically male cut. This is a picture of her:
(http://static3.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2352968.1441771469!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-barber-4-0908.jpg)
It's a typical male cut. If he declined to cut her hair because she's female, it's discrimination.
Being refused service based on gender is not silly and does not make her a pansy.
I'm not really talking about whether this is discrimination. Businesses that are open to the public like this cannot discriminate. It's just friggin stupid.
That is not a simple male hairstyle. Are you kidding me?
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Now you're talking about two different things.
The reality is that no, they shouldn't go to someone who wouldn't want their business. That's ridiculous. Like making people who are against gay marriage bake you a cake. Fuck them. Don't give them your money.
However.
Wrong, hair IS hair.
A person has to be licensed to cut hair in a state. It's that simple. If you are a barber or a "stylist", you must pass certain amount of studies of both women and men, and you are licensed.
If a person can't cut both sexes, they probably aren't worth a shit anyway, but reality is that once you license something, you can't just decide I won't do it based on a sex of a person.
Fact: Barbers have tougher testing and regulations than food preparers.
This is what I've been saying this whole time these little incidents keep happening. Don't like their policy? Take your business elsewhere. What better way to show your disgust for their business practice than to go to a competitor. This woman was most likely fishing for this. Some people just like getting angry about perceived injustices.
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No, hair is not hair. I don't care what the requirements are for getting a license. In the real world, some places cater to certain genders. What kind of idiot is going to force someone to cut their hair period, much less someone who admits not being good at cutting the hair of a certain gender? This is ridiculous.
Yes, hair is hair.
Your hair is not special compared to anyone else's, and neither is hers.
Whether a business caters to women or men doesn't matter. They are not legally allowed to deny the other sex.
Yes, hair is hair.
Like I said in the last post, if she went to a men's barbershop she probably wanted either a simple cut or a typically male cut. This is a picture of her:
(http://static3.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2352968.1441771469!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-barber-4-0908.jpg)
It's a typical male cut. If he declined to cut her hair because she's female, it's discrimination.
Being refused service based on gender is not silly and does not make her a pansy.
Looks pretty unisex to me.
I've seen tons of guys with hair like that.
No way would a guy be turned down based upon that haircut.
This is what I've been saying this whole time these little incidents keep happening. Don't like their policy? Take your business elsewhere. What better way to show your disgust for their business practice than to go to a competitor. This woman was most likely fishing for this. Some people just like getting angry about perceived injustices.
Of course... She most likely was fishing... which is really why the person should have just cut her hair and fucked it up if he couldn't get it right.
She couldn't sue for a bad cut... she would just have to live with it.
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I'm not really talking about whether this is discrimination. Businesses that are open to the public like this cannot discriminate. It's just friggin stupid.
That is not a simple male hairstyle. Are you kidding me?
I said that it is a typical male cut and it is. Any barber who cuts male hairstyles would be able to handle it.
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This is what I've been saying this whole time these little incidents keep happening. Don't like their policy? Take your business elsewhere. What better way to show your disgust for their business practice than to go to a competitor. This woman was most likely fishing for this. Some people just like getting angry about perceived injustices.
That is not the luxury of being discriminated against. It's not about establishing friendships or getting vengeance, it's about getting service without undue hassle. Maybe you think this is minor, but women pay something like twice as much for haircuts. Maybe she wanted to save money. Maybe she thought a shop that specializes in men's hair would give her closer to what she was looking for. The guy who turned her business away doesn't even believe he was discriminating even though his only reason for turning away her business was that she was a woman.
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That is not the luxury of being discriminated against. It's not about establishing friendships or getting vengeance, it's about getting service without undue hassle. Maybe you think this is minor, but women pay something like twice as much for haircuts. Maybe she wanted to save money. Maybe she thought a shop that specializes in men's hair would give her closer to what she was looking for. The guy who turned her business away doesn't even believe he was discriminating even though his only reason for turning away her business was that she was a woman.
Washington, Pennsylvania seems a small rural place.
How old was the guy in question?
The comparison is stupid. Almost every single person has hair. If the artist formerly known as Beach Bum doesn't understand the difference, then he should take an anatomy class.
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I said that it is a typical male cut and it is. Any barber who cuts male hairstyles would be able to handle it.
That is not a typical male cut.
Not all barbers are able handle cuts like that and, again, why the heck would anyone go to a barber who expressly tells them they can't do it? Absurd. This is the kind of thing I expect from academics or bureaucrats who don't really operate in the real world.
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That is not a typical male cut.
Not all barbers are able handle cuts like that and, again, why the heck would anyone go to a barber who expressly tells them they can't do it? Absurd. This is the kind of thing I expect from academics or bureaucrats who don't really operate in the real world.
It's just a very high fade. Barbers do it ALL the time.
(http://static.fashionbeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/hairss13.jpg)
(http://www.mens-hairstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/High-fade-haircut-for-men-2013.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0a/38/59/0a38599b0928849c39833e1368322085.jpg)
Also, why are you speaking for the barber?
He specifically said it was a Barber shop FOR MEN.
He never said he couldn't do the cut or it wasn't possible for him.
He said he did it because she was a woman.
That's the straight definition of discrimination.
"But Mr. Interval says it’s got nothing to do with discrimination.
“I didn’t really consider it so much a discrimination thing as — it’s a barber shop — for guys,” he told television station KDKA."
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It's just a very high fade. Barbers do it ALL the time.
(http://static.fashionbeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/hairss13.jpg)
(http://www.mens-hairstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/High-fade-haircut-for-men-2013.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0a/38/59/0a38599b0928849c39833e1368322085.jpg)
Also, why are you speaking for the barber?
He specifically said it was a Barber shop FOR MEN.
He never said he couldn't do the cut or it wasn't possible for him.
He said he did it because she was a woman.
That's the straight definition of discrimination.
"But Mr. Interval says it’s got nothing to do with discrimination.
“I didn’t really consider it so much a discrimination thing as — it’s a barber shop — for guys,” he told television station KDKA."
That is much more than a high fade. That's Kid N Play haircut. lol
Nobody is saying it wasn't discrimination. I'm talking about how friggin stupid this is.
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That is much more than a high fade. That's Kid N Play haircut. lol
Nobody is saying it wasn't discrimination. I'm talking about how friggin stupid this is.
That's called a high fade. Just extremely high.
Of course this is coming from someone who says hair isn't hair, so it's to be expected that you don't know the difference.
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That's called a high fade. Just extremely high.
Of course this is coming from someone who says hair isn't hair, so it's to be expected that you don't know the difference.
It's not just a high fade. It's a cartoonish fade.
But this is coming from someone who says some of the most naïve things I've read on the board.
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It's not just a high fade. It's a cartoonish fade.
But this is coming from someone who says some of the most naïve things I've read on the board.
Sorry There Beach, if you ask my brother the Barber, he says it's a high fade.
You can go ahead and keep dreaming your dream land, but really, the only person who takes you seriously on the board is you.
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Sorry There Beach, if you ask my brother the Barber, he says it's a high fade.
You can go ahead and keep dreaming your dream land, but really, the only person who takes you seriously on the board is you.
I don't give a rip who you ask.
I don't take myself seriously, so you're wrong about pretty much everything. :)
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I don't give a rip who you ask.
I don't take myself seriously, so you're wrong about pretty much everything. :)
Coming from you, I will take it as a compliment. If you thought I was right, I would question my sanity.
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Coming from you, I will take it as a compliment. If you thought I was right, I would question my sanity.
Oh I know exactly how you feel. lol
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Oh I know exactly how you feel. lol
You certainly do laugh a lot at nothing.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/deadliestfiction/images/d/d0/Joker_laughing.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120819172250)
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You certainly do laugh a lot at nothing.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/deadliestfiction/images/d/d0/Joker_laughing.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120819172250)
I most certainly do. Especially at you. ;D But that's how happy folks roll.
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I most certainly do. Especially at you. ;D But that's how happy folks roll.
You are the reason I shouldn't post on this board.
Everything you say is buffoonish.
I just wish there was a block button for you.
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That is much more than a high fade. That's Kid N Play haircut. lol
Nobody is saying it wasn't discrimination. I'm talking about how friggin stupid this is.
Why is it stupid? Because it doesn't affect you?
If that barber declined cutting a priest's hair and said he didn't want the shop to seem too religious or something, you'd be the first one on here complaining and you'd spend the next five years posting updates about how this proves Christians are being persecuted.
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You are the reason I shouldn't post on this board.
Everything you say is buffoonish.
I just wish there was a block button for you.
Then don't engage me fool. Too easy.
I think there is an ignore button? Regardless, just ignore me if you don't like what I have to say. It's not that hard. I do it all the time.
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Then don't engage me fool. Too easy.
I think there is an ignore button? Regardless, just ignore me if you don't like what I have to say. It's not that hard. I do it all the time.
It's difficult to ignore your rambling stupidity.
Believe you me, I have tried oh so many times.... I do so well, then out of nowhere, boom, you say something so utterly asinine that is is absolutely impossible to ignore.
If there were an "ignore button", I would have used it long, long ago.
Unfortunately, it wouldn't block other people from quoting your ridiculousness, so it wouldn't help much.
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Why is it stupid? Because it doesn't affect you?
If that declined cutting a priest's hair and said he didn't want the shop to seem too religious or something, you'd be the first one on here complaining and spend the next five years posting updates about how this proves Christians are being persecuted.
No, because it's stupid to force someone to provide a service like that. No reasonable person would do that. Just take your business to someone who knows what they are doing and actually wants your business.
And note that I'm not talking about whether this is discrimination. It is. It's still stupid.
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It's difficult to ignore your rambling stupidity.
Believe you me, I have tried oh so many times.... I do so well, then out of nowhere, boom, you say something so utterly asinine that is is absolutely impossible to ignore.
Sounds like a personal problem. Lack of self-control. You need to work on that mang.
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Sounds like a personal problem. Lack of self-control. You need to work on that mang.
It's a tired of your stupidity problem really, but as is often the case, the stupid, such as yourself, don't even see it.
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It's a tired of your stupidity problem really, but as is often the case, the stupid, such as yourself, don't even see it.
:'(
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No, because it's stupid to force someone to provide a service like that. No reasonable person would do that. Just take your business to someone who knows what they are doing and actually wants your business.
And note that I'm not talking about whether this is discrimination. It is. It's still stupid.
There's no indication that she went back and begged them for a haircut. But they discriminated against her to her face. There is nothing unreasonable about her reporting open,blatant discrimination.
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There's no indication that she went back and begged them for a haircut. But they discriminated against her to her face. There is nothing unreasonable about her reporting open,blatant discrimination.
Yes, it's discrimination, as I already acknowledged. That's not the point.
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Yes, it's discrimination, as I already acknowledged. That's not the point.
Then what is your point? That she should just ignore discrimination because it's not a big deal?
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there's a great gym, right near my house. it'd be perfect for me - location, great staff, modern everything.
The only problem is, it's an all-womens gym. I'm thinking I should call huck, tell him my dilemma, see if he can block the stage from little cruzes and maybe help me get my way into that gym?
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Then what is your point? That she should just ignore discrimination because it's not a big deal?
That she should have just went someplace that actually wanted to cut her hair. Would you go to a barber who was forced to cut your hair?
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I think she had knowledge that the place didn't serve females. Women are very picky about who cuts their hair. This was her plan all along. But I also think the barber shop screwed up, they should have cut her hair.. badly...
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I think she had knowledge that the place didn't serve females. Women are very picky about who cuts their hair. This was her plan all along. But I also think the barber shop screwed up, they should have cut her hair.. badly...
Completely agree.
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That she should have just went someplace that actually wanted to cut her hair. Would you go to a barber who was forced to cut your hair?
So, yes, you are saying that she should ignore discrimination because it's not a big deal. You're saying it is discrimination, but somehow she's the one who's stupid because she called them out? ::)
They weren't forced to cut her hair. They discriminated against her and she filed a complaint. They were forced to pay a fine.
If a restaurant refuses to serve me because of my skin color, is it stupid of me to report them? NO. Should I just ignore it because it doesn't bother you? NO. Should I be a bigger person and just go to another restaurant that wants to serve me food? ::)
There's no difference here.
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I think she had knowledge that the place didn't serve females. Women are very picky about who cuts their hair. This was her plan all along. But I also think the barber shop screwed up, they should have cut her hair.. badly...
Why does she deserve a bad haircut? Because she didn't want to be discriminated against?
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So, yes, you are saying that she should ignore discrimination because it's not a big deal. You're saying it is discrimination, but somehow she's the one who's stupid because she called them out? ::)
They weren't forced to cut her hair. They discriminated against her and she filed a complaint. They were forced to pay a fine.
If a restaurant refuses to serve me because of my skin color, is it stupid of me to report them? NO. Should I just ignore it because it doesn't bother you? NO. Should I be a bigger person and just go to another restaurant that wants to serve me food? ::)
There's no difference here.
Oh boo friggin hoo. This wasn't a restaurant. It was a barber who didn't want to cut her hair.
Would you go to a barber who was forced to cut your hair?
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Oh boo friggin hoo. This wasn't a restaurant. It was a barber who didn't want to cut her hair.
Would you go to a barber who was forced to cut your hair?
Would I go to a barber who was forced to cut my hair? Probably not. Would I report them if they refused to cut my hair because of my gender or skin color? YEP.
Why is discrimination at a restaurant somehow different? There's more restaurants than barbershops/hair salons in pretty much every town in America. If I get discriminated against at one restaurant, I have more options. Or maybe I should just stay home and cook. ::)
What would concern you more: going to a restaurant that didn't want to serve you or a barbershop that didn't want to serve you?
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Would I go to a barber who was forced to cut my hair? Probably not. Would I report them if they refused to cut my hair because of my gender or skin color? YEP.
Why is discrimination at a restaurant somehow different? There's more restaurants than barbershops/hair salons in pretty much every town in America. If I get discriminated against at one restaurant, I have more options. Or maybe I should just stay home and cook. ::)
What would concern you more: going to a restaurant that didn't want to serve you or a barbershop that didn't want to serve you?
I wouldn't go to a barber who told me they only cut women's hair and I darn sure wouldn't be filing a complaint against them. I'd just go find someone who was good and wanted to cut my hair. That's what should have happened here. But just like Agnostic said, I think she knew exactly what she was doing.
This isn't even remotely similar to a restaurant.
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This isn't even remotely similar to a restaurant.
Then what is the difference?
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Sad thing is that they probably thought they were doing her a favor.
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Why does she deserve a bad haircut? Because she didn't want to be discriminated against?
I'm on the fence on this one... Men don't get hired at casinos as cocktail waiters because of their gender, nor do they get hired at Hooters. So there does exist some gender discrimination in the business world. I don't think it is necessarily a horrible thing if a business owner wanted to focus on a particular clientele like in this example.. men haircuts. Specializing in men's haircuts shouldn't be an issue and in a reasonable world, explaining to a female "We focus on men hairstyle/cuts here" shouldn't be a big deal. I can't join Curves because I'm a male.. what's the difference?
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Then what is the difference?
Unlike hair, food is food. Doesn't matter who is eating it. This is almost akin to telling a Mexican restaurant they have to serve Chinese food.
There is nothing wrong or controversial about a barber choosing to focus on men's or women's hair, the military, kids, etc. Barbers do it all the time. Not everyone has the same kind of hair. There are typically very distinct differences between men's and women's hairstyles. Some barbers just aren't comfortable with doing women's hair.
This guy's mistake was telling her it was men's only. He should have just told her he wasn't comfortable cutting the style she wanted, and if she started complaining, just given her a bad haircut just like Agnostic said.
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But we know what the woman's hair looks like and it's not distinctly feminine. At best, it's unisex and something any barber that specializes in male hair would be able to cut. It's nothing like telling a mexican restaurant to serve chinese food. She went into a male barbershop looking for a male haircut. It's like a mexican restaurant saying they only serve food to mexicans.
The guy's mistake was that he operated a business that openly discriminates. He didn't turn down her business because he couldn't cut her hair in the style she wanted. Considering what her hair looks like, it's more likely that she went to that barbershop because she felt they would give her the cut she was looking for and less likely that she was trying pull the rug out from under them. ::)
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Maybe she has penis envy.
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I'm on the fence on this one... Men don't get hired at casinos as cocktail waiters because of their gender, nor do they get hired at Hooters. So there does exist some gender discrimination in the business world. I don't think it is necessarily a horrible thing if a business owner wanted to focus on a particular clientele like in this example.. men haircuts. Specializing in men's haircuts shouldn't be an issue and in a reasonable world, explaining to a female "We focus on men hairstyle/cuts here" shouldn't be a big deal. I can't join Curves because I'm a male.. what's the difference?
Are you saying you want to join Curves?
Obviously there is a double standard which should not exist.
Men have sued to work at hooters and such. In this instance, it's an easy fucking haircut. It's not like she was asking for something he couldn't do. Seems stupid to turn her away.
Yes, she's being a whiney bitch, yes she was discriminated against.
It's pretty simple.
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But we know what the woman's hair looks like and it's not distinctly feminine. At best, it's unisex and something any barber that specializes in male hair would be able to cut. It's nothing like telling a mexican restaurant to serve chinese food. She went into a male barbershop looking for a male haircut. It's like a mexican restaurant saying they only serve food to mexicans.
The guy's mistake was that he operated a business that openly discriminates. He didn't turn down her business because he couldn't cut her hair in the style she wanted. Considering what her hair looks like, it's more likely that she went to that barbershop because she felt they would give her the cut she was looking for and less likely that she was trying pull the rug out from under them. ::)
I don't consider that a unisex cut, but there is an increasing number of effeminate men these days.
I completely see how she set that poor guy up. But I'm sure he learned his lesson. ::)
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Maybe she has penis envy.
lol ;D
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I completely see how she set that poor guy up. But I'm sure he learned his lesson. ::)
LOL there was no set up. He could have cut her hair. She didn't force him to say no. He chose to say no. That's a violation. He was fined. He's not some "poor guy" who was victimized.
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LOL there was no set up. He could have cut her hair. She didn't force him to say no. He chose to say no. That's illegal. He was fined. He's not some "poor guy" who was victimized.
That's your opinion. I disagree. She didn't accomplish anything. I wonder if she is going to actually make that poor sap cut her hair. I'd like to see that. :)
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she knew what she was doing. and the guy in the shop probably thought he was doing her a favor that would lead her to a better result. that's the ridiculous part.
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She didn't accomplish anything.
How didn't she accomplish anything? He was fined.
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she knew what she was doing. and the guy in the shop probably thought he was doing her a favor that would lead her to a better result. that's the ridiculous part.
::) She was attempting to get a haircut. There is nothing controversial or provocative about that and there was no guarantee the guy was going to get fined. I go to a barbershop that is for men and occasionally a woman will come in (usually a lesbian) who wants a haircut like a guy. They just do it. It's a non-event.
The barber in this story specifically said he turned her away because the place is a clubhouse for guys. Not because he didn't have any barbers who could do the style she wanted.
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she knew what she was doing. and the guy in the shop probably thought he was doing her a favor that would lead her to a better result. that's the ridiculous part.
Yep.
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How didn't she accomplish anything? He was fined.
Yes, $750. Wow. Great. ::)
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I'm on the fence on this one... Men don't get hired at casinos as cocktail waiters because of their gender, nor do they get hired at Hooters. So there does exist some gender discrimination in the business world. I don't think it is necessarily a horrible thing if a business owner wanted to focus on a particular clientele like in this example.. men haircuts. Specializing in men's haircuts shouldn't be an issue and in a reasonable world, explaining to a female "We focus on men hairstyle/cuts here" shouldn't be a big deal. I can't join Curves because I'm a male.. what's the difference?
nothing wrong with it. A male barber wants to offer his clients an experience where they can show off bald spots and ask about manscaping without female eyes on them. CURVES and other gyms do it. If anything, the barber misses out on 1/2 the potential customers. Or maybe he's just bad at women's hair, enjoys the fast efficiency of a $6 crew cut.
Look at it this way... McD discrimates against those who want a healthy burger, by not having it on the menu. The barber discriinates against all those who want a female haircut, by not having it on the menu.
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::) She was attempting to get a haircut. There is nothing controversial or provocative about that and there was no guarantee the guy was going to get fined. I go to a barbershop that is for men and occasionally a woman will come in (usually a lesbian) who wants a haircut like a guy. They just do it. It's a non-event.
The barber in this story specifically said he turned her away because the place is a clubhouse for guys. Not because he didn't have any barbers who could do the style she wanted.
she does look like a dyke, now that you mention it.
shouldn't she rather a woman cut her hair (preferably another lesbian)?
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maybe they can make an x-rated video of it
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Yes, $750. Wow. Great. ::)
Yet, you started the thread complaining about it> ::) What more was she supposed to accomplish? Have him murdered?
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Look at it this way... McD discrimates against those who want a healthy burger, by not having it on the menu. The barber discriinates against all those who want a female haircut, by not having it on the menu.
This is a poor metaphor. She didn't ask for a healthy hamburger that wasn't on the menu. She asked for a Big Mac and they turned her away because she was a woman. ::)
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Yet, you started the thread complaining about it> ::) What more was she supposed to accomplish? Have him murdered?
Yes, I started a thread talking about how stupid this whole thing is. You think the fine is a major accomplishment. I think it's stupid.
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Yes, I started a thread talking about how stupid this whole thing is. You think the fine is a major accomplishment. I think it's stupid.
I didn't say it was a major accomplishment. It is punishment in line with the infraction. Most small businesses don't want to pay $750 fines. Apparently, you feel the fine should have been bigger? What more should have happened? What more should her setup have accomplished?
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I didn't say it was a major accomplishment. It is punishment in line with the infraction. Most small businesses don't want to pay $750 fines. Apparently, you feel the fine should have been bigger? What more should have happened? What more should her setup have accomplished?
the whole thing is dumb and a comedy, and he'll make a ton on it.
in the end, no one really cares about this stuff. everyone knows that's life.
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Yes, I started a thread talking about how stupid this whole thing is. You think the fine is a major accomplishment. I think it's stupid.
Seriously, if you think she set him up and that the fine is nothing, then what do you think her ultimate plan was? To have the business shut down? Have him thrown in jail. She filed a complaint with the business office after she was discriminated against. Hardly a psychotic supervillain. That's a perfectly rational reaction.
What do you think she was trying to accomplish, if not that?
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I didn't say it was a major accomplishment. It is punishment in line with the infraction. Most small businesses don't want to pay $750 fines. Apparently, you feel the fine should have been bigger? What more should have happened? What more should her setup have accomplished?
I never said the fine should be bigger.
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the whole thing is dumb and a comedy, and he'll make a ton on it.
in the end, no one really cares about this stuff. everyone knows that's life.
Right? Tell me about it.
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Seriously, if you think she set him up and that the fine is nothing, then what do you think her ultimate plan was? To have the business shut down? Have him thrown in jail. She filed a complaint with the business office after she was discriminated against. Hardly a psychotic supervillain. That's a perfectly rational reaction.
What do you think she was trying to accomplish, if not that?
If you're asking me to explain all of the motivations of people who file stupid complaints, I cannot do that. I ask that question a lot myself. Or as I tell people, a lot of times you cannot explain stupid.
But when you step back and look at what she has really accomplished, it's really nothing. Is she going to become a regular patron? I doubt it. Are women going to start flocking to this barbershop that is well known in the community as a place that caters to men? I doubt it. So what exactly did she gain? I say nothing. No, wait, a $750 fine. Yay team.
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If you're asking me to explain all of the motivations of people who file stupid complaints, I cannot do that. I ask that question a lot myself. Or as I tell people, a lot of time you cannot explain stupid.
But when you step back and look at what she has really accomplished, it's really nothing. Is she going to become a regular patron? I doubt it. Are women going to start flocking to this barbershop that is well known in the community as a place that caters to men? I doubt it. So what exactly did she gain? I say nothing. No, wait, a $750 fine. Yay team.
You claimed she was setting him up, then claimed that a fine accomplished nothing. The idea that there was a setup is pretty irrational, but if you're gonna follow that line of thinking, there should at least be some conceivable payoff.
She wanted to get a haircut. She wasn't trying to gain anything. She was discriminated against and she filed a complaint with the proper agency. The establishment was fined. That is pretty much the extent of any accomplishment she likely hoped to get. He will either think twice next time or receive another fine, likely larger. That's the accomplishment. The idea that there was some sort of setup and she was looking for a bigger payoff is ridiculous.
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You claimed she was setting him up, then claimed that a fine accomplished nothing. The idea that there was a setup is pretty irrational, but if you're gonna follow that line of thinking, there should at least be some conceivable payoff.
She wanted to get a haircut. She wasn't trying to gain anything. She was discriminated against and she filed a complaint with the proper agency. The establishment was fined. That is pretty much the extent of any accomplishment she likely hoped to get. He will either think twice next time or receive another fine, likely larger. That's the accomplishment. The idea that there was some sort of setup and she was looking for a bigger payoff is ridiculous.
You're assuming her only goal was to get a haircut. I'm not. People go poking around to file stupid complaints all the time, with zero payoff. We have a guy over here who has been searching public property for years for any kind of religious symbol on public property and filing lawsuits claiming he is suffering emotional distress when he sees them. Like state legislators putting a fish symbol on their office door. What's the payoff there? Not THAT is irrational.
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Ridiculous.
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You claimed she was setting him up, then claimed that a fine accomplished nothing. The idea that there was a setup is pretty irrational, but if you're gonna follow that line of thinking, there should at least be some conceivable payoff.
She wanted to get a haircut. She wasn't trying to gain anything. She was discriminated against and she filed a complaint with the proper agency. The establishment was fined. That is pretty much the extent of any accomplishment she likely hoped to get. He will either think twice next time or receive another fine, likely larger. That's the accomplishment. The idea that there was some sort of setup and she was looking for a bigger payoff is ridiculous.
Would it make sense that she might like drama?
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This shit is out of control. It would be like any man walking into Victoria's Secret and reporting them for not selling men's underwear.
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distinctly remember years ago there was a beauty salon in my dads office building. I was home from college and I needed a haircut.......bad. it was the only place around that was open on Monday.
I went in and she told me they didn't cut men's hair there. you wanna know what I did?
NOTHING
I threw some more gel in my hair and went on with my life. that's what a male adult is supposed to fucking do when they want to get a haircut at a woman's salon and are told that they can't.
you know there was a time when shit like this was considered trivial and inconsequential and not worthy of acknowledgement.
fuckin social media.
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You're assuming her only goal was to get a haircut. I'm not. People go poking around to file stupid complaints all the time, with zero payoff. We have a guy over here who has been searching public property for years for any kind of religious symbol on public property and filing lawsuits claiming he is suffering emotional distress when he sees them. Like state legislators putting a fish symbol on their office door. What's the payoff there? Not THAT is irrational.
And it's also completely unrelated to this story of the woman at the barbershop. You claimed that the woman was setting up the barber and that, somehow, her bizarre setup accomplished nothing. She filed a complaint with the occupational commission and they fined him. That was obviously her goal. It was a very clear case of action/consequence. There was nothing unreasonable or irrational about it. If you take it at face value-or even if you don't - what more was supposed to happen?
I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from on this story. You agree that the barber was discriminating. You think the fine was negligible. So, this is a non-story. A business owner violated discrimination laws and was fined. :-\
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This shit is out of control. It would be like any man walking into Victoria's Secret and reporting them for not selling men's underwear.
No, it's more like a man walking into Victoria's Secret and being told he's not allowed to purchase any products from VS because he's a man. Big difference.
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Yes, hair is hair.
Like I said in the last post, if she went to a men's barbershop she probably wanted either a simple cut or a typically male cut. This is a picture of her:
(http://static3.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2352968.1441771469!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-barber-4-0908.jpg)
It's a typical male cut. If he declined to cut her hair because she's female, it's discrimination.
Being refused service based on gender is not silly and does not make her a pansy.
What kind of typical males you hangin with?
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What kind of typical males you hangin with?
Doh! lol :D
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What kind of typical males you hangin with?
I didn't say I was hangin with them, I just said it's a cut that a lot of guys have. It's easier to find pics of guys with this type of haircut than girls. You might call it emo or whatever, but it's a typical male cut. :-\
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This is bullshit. The homo could have gone somewhere else. As a business you have a right to refuse a service you don't offer. If I go to a grocery store and demand an oil change I cannot sue or fine them if they can't comply.
Or let's say I go to the grocery store and they are out of milk, do I now fine them because they could not provide the service I wanted??
This barber did not have experience cutting female hair. If he advertised cutting men's hair, and she is a female, then that is clearly not a service he offered.
Fuck these weak PC bipeds.
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This is bullshit. The homo could have gone somewhere else. As a business you have a right to refuse a service you don't offer. If I go to a grocery store and demand an oil change I cannot sue or fine them if they can't comply.
Or let's say I go to the grocery store and they are out of milk, do I now fine them because they could not provide the service I wanted??
This barber did not have experience cutting female hair. If he advertised cutting men's hair, and she is a female, then that is clearly not a service he offered.
Fuck these weak PC bipeds.
Except it is a service they offered. She wanted her hair cut in a male style. The barber never denied that he was capable of cutting the hair in the style she wanted. He just didn't want to have a woman in the shop. He most likely wouldn't have received the fine if she asked for a style he couldn't do, but if she asked for the cut in that picture, it's a style that a lot of male celebrities have. It's not comparable to going to a grocery store and asking for items that aren't there.
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Except it is a service they offered. She wanted her hair cut in a male style. The barber never denied that he was capable of cutting the hair in the style she wanted. He just didn't want to have a woman in the shop. He most likely wouldn't have received the fine if she asked for a style he couldn't do, but if she asked for the cut in that picture, it's a style that a lot of male celebrities have. It's not comparable to going to a grocery store and asking for items that aren't there.
Tells you everything you need to know about the "males" the media claims we're "celebrating".
To hell in a handbasket, that's what.
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This is bullshit. The homo could have gone somewhere else. As a business you have a right to refuse a service you don't offer. If I go to a grocery store and demand an oil change I cannot sue or fine them if they can't comply.
Or let's say I go to the grocery store and they are out of milk, do I now fine them because they could not provide the service I wanted??
This barber did not have experience cutting female hair. If he advertised cutting men's hair, and she is a female, then that is clearly not a service he offered.
Fuck these weak PC bipeds.
What premise do you have that she was a lesbian?
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Has Hooters ever been sued for not hiring dude waiters?
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Has Hooters ever been sued for not hiring dude waiters?
Yes.
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Yes.
I believe hooters settled for an undisclosed amount of money.
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I believe hooters settled for an undisclosed amount of money.
Wow, how many times have they been sued? I just feel all of that type of stuff is too nit picky. There's so many different places to go, why not just take the business elsewhere?
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Wow, how many times have they been sued? I just feel all of that type of stuff is too nit picky. There's so many different places to go, why not just take the business elsewhere?
Truly I agree with you on that point.
If I had a problem with a business, I would just go elsewhere... Hit them in the wallet, that's where all businesses feel it.
However, if you do have some sort of discriminatory business, and someone does sue you, you just pay the fine or whatever and move on I guess.
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Truly I agree with you on that point.
If I had a problem with a business, I would just go elsewhere... Hit them in the wallet, that's where all businesses feel it.
However, if you do have some sort of discriminatory business, and someone does sue you, you just pay the fine or whatever and move on I guess.
On a micro level, sure it might seem insignificant, but on a macro level it really isn't. The ultimate idea is consumer protection. Everyone has to deal with rudeness and bad service, your race, gender,sexuality,age etc shouldn't unduly compound that. The truth is even small businesses aren't out to soak up every single dollar under the sun. If a business makes it known that they don't want a particular group of people going to their establishment, when they finally get that group to stop coming, it's not hurting them. It's their goal.
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Wow, how many times have they been sued? I just feel all of that type of stuff is too nit picky. There's so many different places to go, why not just take the business elsewhere?
I agree.