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This Thread is the 2014 Mr Olympia - a STAGGERING 96 PAGES!!!!!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=550786.0
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This thread is the 2015 Mr Olympia - a paltry 17 pages :-X
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=580720.0
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THUNDERDOME!!! LET'S KICK OFF !!
2015 MR. OLYMPIA !!
Just like last year I will start this brutal and epic thread of MELTDOWNS, competition discussions, comments, predictions, emotional fights and smackdowns!
Last year we reached 96 pages, let's see if we beat it this year!
From 96 pages to 17 pages????
WTF???
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Mr Olympia fucked up this year, hell they should have gave it to Dexter to shake shit up
This sport is Dying - the lil ass Physique boys are taking over
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Yea, i noticed it was pretty dead as well
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Theres nothing comment on when Branch places in the top five for the sixth time in the row
That says it all.
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This Thread is the 2014 Mr Olympia - a STAGGERING 96 PAGES!!!!!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=550786.0
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This thread is the 2015 Mr Olympia - a paltry 17 pages :-X
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=580720.0
Quote from 2015 thread
From 96 pages to 17 pages????
WTF???
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmimn.gif)
Mr Olympia fucked up this year, hell they should have gave it to Dexter to shake shit up
This sport is Dying - the lil ass Physique boys are taking over
It would have been more pages (but definitely no where near 96 , max 30-40) this year if it hadn't been sticked to the top... I noticed people tend to respond more to regular active threads... Also last years was not sticked but then again I bet no more that 30-40 pages...
Clearly the drama was missing this year it was all just one big meh....
Lots of branch-the-mighty-fried-frog/chicken discussions tho... He really needs to go ::) >:(
Can't wait for men's classic physique ! This will be huuuuuuge !
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the show was predictable.
nothing to be excited about, nothing newsworthy, no kai, phil coronation, it was uneventful.
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Another thing is...
we usually can debate who deserved to win. But this year's Olympia has always been Phil vs Kai. It was never about anyone else.
And if the challenger doesn't show up, there's no fight. No drama. No point.
Anyone want to watch someone shadowbox? What about a runningback run into the endzone on an empty playing field? Heck no.
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Wait so when Ronnie won over and over it was ok but not when Heath wins?
What is dying is the message board world. The under 27 year old crowd sees chatting on a message board like we see sending a telegram.
The Olympia was packed, twitter, instagram and FB was way more active on this topic than last year.
We are stuck here in this old slow way of communicating, in the time it takes to post 10 photos here you can post 1500 on other platforms.
More people today are into bodybuilding than ever, companies that sell snake oil are making fortunes, unfortunately like all industries those who old on to the old way of doing things end up rotting away.
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Wait so when Ronnie won over and over it was ok but not when Heath wins?
Philsulina is not in the same league as Ronnie imho.
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there was a lack of interest pretty much everywhere i think, nobody i know even mentioned it this year. other boards hadn't even started threads about it or they were just a few pages.
past olympia's gone by had a lot more interest in them.
Kai not competing was a big factor too.
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there was a lack of interest pretty much everywhere i think, nobody i know even mentioned it this year. other boards hadn't even started threads about it or they were just a few pages.
past olympia's gone by had a lot more interest in them.
Kai not competing was a big factor too.
Boards are no longer a way to track anything anymore. Its all on social media. You saw all the people there taking selfies and bs with the pros? They didnt post it here they posted it all over their social media crap and it got shared heavily
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Hardly proof
2 threads on a forum where 95% of the people are not and dont give a fuck about bodybuilding.
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Wait so when Ronnie won over and over it was ok but not when Heath wins?
What is dying is the message board world. The under 27 year old crowd sees chatting on a message board like we see sending a telegram.
The Olympia was packed, twitter, instagram and FB was way more active on this topic than last year.
We are stuck here in this old slow way of communicating, in the time it takes to post 10 photos here you can post 1500 on other platforms.
More people today are into bodybuilding than ever, companies that sell snake oil are making fortunes, unfortunately like all industries those who old on to the old way of doing things end up rotting away.
The olympia doesn't sell enough tickets for the family members and friends of the 1,276 competitors across 48 events.
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Hardly proof
2 threads on a forum where 95% of the people are not and dont give a fuck about bodybuilding.
A small indicator but valid. We will never see the numbers who following the IFBB in the '80's and .90's - Sell out European Grand Prix's all around Europe after the Olympia. These were the days. You heard of the Olympia result and couldn't wait to see the guys 1-2 days later in your own country. Great days and great athletes with personalities. They'd often throw in free seminars on stage ahead of the competition just for the love of the sport.
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A small indicator but valid. We will never see the numbers who following the IFBB in the '80's and .90's - Sell out European Grand Prix's all around Europe after the Olympia. These were the days. You heard of the Olympia result and couldn't wait to see the guys 1-2 days later in your own country. Great days and great athletes with personalities. They'd often throw in free seminars on stage ahead of the competition just for the love of the sport.
the good ol days the good ol days where have they gone ???
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This Thread is the 2014 Mr Olympia - a STAGGERING 96 PAGES!!!!!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=550786.0
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This thread is the 2015 Mr Olympia - a paltry 17 pages :-X
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=580720.0
Quote from 2015 thread
From 96 pages to 17 pages????
WTF???
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmimn.gif)
Mr Olympia fucked up this year, hell they should have gave it to Dexter to shake shit up
This sport is Dying - the lil ass Physique boys are taking over
more like getbig is dying
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One of the best pics ;D ;D
Olympia is failing because Phil is unpopular and uninteresting and once Kai was out it was over
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This Thread is the 2014 Mr Olympia - a STAGGERING 96 PAGES!!!!!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=550786.0
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This thread is the 2015 Mr Olympia - a paltry 17 pages :-X
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=580720.0
Quote from 2015 thread
From 96 pages to 17 pages????
WTF???
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmimn.gif)
Mr Olympia fucked up this year, hell they should have gave it to Dexter to shake shit up
This sport is Dying - the lil ass Physique boys are taking over
Good post Wiggs :)
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Wait so when Ronnie won over and over it was ok but not when Heath wins?
That's where you are wrong. There was huge hate for Ronnie on this board when he was winning all the time. The only difference between him and Heath is that Ronnie is someone who remained a complete and utter outstanding example when he stepped off stage. Heath puts clothes on and becomes mortal. Ronnie was on another planet to his fellow competitors so there was always the begrudging respect from people who were into Jay.
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To be fair, the casual fan for everything is disappearing, as the tech revolution has created enough variety that people can be more specific with how they spend their time. Attendence for most sports is down. Look at the ratings for Network television as compared to 20 years ago.
Bodybuilding was never that popular even in the so-called "Golden Era," and with the state of the current bodybuilding physique, even hardcore fans are alienated.
In summary, pro bodybuilding is fucked.
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That's where you are wrong. There was huge hate for Ronnie on this board when he was winning all the time. The only difference between him and Heath is that Ronnie is someone who remained a complete and utter outstanding example when he stepped off stage. Heath puts clothes on and becomes mortal. Ronnie was on another planet to his fellow competitors so there was always the begrudging respect from people who were into Jay.
Ronnie sucked hard in the later years and was beaten by Jay in 01. That's why he copped shit. His 98 and 99 showing were a couple of the best of all time, hence the respect after he retired.
Offstage he was a shining example of planned parenthood.
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Was there less of a crowd at the event or the expo?
Didn't they double the prize money for the winner?
Did Kai just land some ESPN deal or something?
Was it not popular on other forms of social media?
How do you know if it's really "dying"? Maybe this board has just leveled off.
*Disclaimer, as said, this is a niche and will always be.......just wanted to argue OP's point.
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I'm not sure it is dying - but clearly the limits of the human body are very evident in current day bodybuilding and bodybuilding is only a curiosity for the mainstream as a freak show.
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Was there less of a crowd at the event or the expo?
Didn't they double the prize money for the winner?
Did Kai just land some ESPN deal or something?
Was it not popular on other forms of social media?
How do you know if it's really "dying"? Maybe this board has just leveled off.
*Disclaimer, as said, this is a niche and will always be.......just wanted to argue OP's point.
I remember the Night of Champions when it was held in the Beacon Theatre, capacity 3800. The year I went, the night show was sold out.
This year, the NY Pro was held in the Banquet Room of a New Jersey hotel. I believe some kid's Bar Mitzvah was taking place, at the same time.
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I remember the Night of Champions when it was held in the Beacon Theatre, capacity 3800. The year I went, the night show was sold out.
This year, the NY Pro was held in the Banquet Room of a New Jersey hotel. I believe some kid's Bar Mitzvah was taking place, at the same time.
That's not the Mr. Olympia though.
I went to 4-5 NoCs at the beacon...was great....but it's a different topic.
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Made for a hell of a Bar Mitzvah tho.
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Made for a hell of a Bar Mitzvah tho.
YEAH matza ball soup and thongs go hand in hand...
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That's not the Mr. Olympia though.
I went to 4-5 NoCs at the beacon...was great....but it's a different topic.
Then you know that, at the time, before the Arnold existed, it was the second most prestigious pro bodybuilding contest. To think that its decline has no relation to the Mr. O is a bit head-in-the-sand.
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Then you know that, at the time, before the Arnold existed, it was the second most prestigious pro bodybuilding contest. To think that its decline has no relation to the Mr. O is a bit head-in-the-sand.
ironman as well bbers loved that show not for the measley 10k :-\..but the stage/lighting/photographs from that show made them look great...
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How many pages was Muscular Development this year? That shit used to be 700 pages when the Olympia was going on.
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Nobody cares about men's physique. The women had a bigger crowd than they did at their show. The arena for the Mr O was packed. My thing was that the show lacked production value and presentation. I thought they should be more like wrestling and have some interviews with people like they had with HHH and Ronnie. Also I think they should have the scores up after every round so you can know what's going on and feel like you're watching a COMPETITION.
But then they couldn't cheat
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Then you know that, at the time, before the Arnold existed, it was the second most prestigious pro bodybuilding contest. To think that its decline has no relation to the Mr. O is a bit head-in-the-sand.
There's no head in the sand - the OP is stating that the Mr. O is dying. I gave plenty of examples why it may not be.
Pro bodbybuilding as whole may be....the example you posted could be a valid example of that (or it could be that the NoC has been replaced by the Arnold in terms of drawing top name). But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the Mr. O specifically.
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I do think that one of the problems with Bodybuilding is that no one knows what the hell is going on any more...no one buys the magazines which used to keep things coherent....I loved IRONMAN and they used to put on a good show even though the prize money was only $10,000....
The Magazines and the Weiders used to keep things in order.....now...its all run by businessmen and NOBODY GIVES A HELL except when they're counting the money in the till at the end of the day
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I do think that one of the problems with Bodybuilding is that no one knows what the hell is going on any more...no one buys the magazines which used to keep things coherent....I loved IRONMAN and they used to put on a good show even though the prize money was only $10,000....
The Magazines and the Weiders used to keep things in order.....now...its all run by businessmen and NOBODY GIVES A HELL except when they're counting the money in the till at the end of the day
There's so much more instant information so I don't think that's the problem.
I think it's the guys themselves that are the problem. A lot of the marketing is done online and you've got to maximize that. Jay is doing really well with that. Phil has shown everybody what NOT to do. There needs to be some life and that will happen once they let these old guys go off into the sunset.
Think about how boring the press conference was this year. They've got some great new guys that they need to start marketing because you could get people to root for them. It's a lot of these international guys. Big Ramy already has a big following and once people see how much of a gentleman he is they would be even more apt to root for him. I also thought Dallas McCarver was pretty good too.
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There's so much more instant information so I don't think that's the problem.
I think it's the guys themselves that are the problem. A lot of the marketing is done online and you've got to maximize that. Jay is doing really well with that. Phil has shown everybody what NOT to do. There needs to be some life and that will happen once they let these old guys go off into the sunset.
Think about how boring the press conference was this year. They've got some great new guys that they need to start marketing because you could get people to root for them. It's a lot of these international guys. Big Ramy already has a big following and once people see how much of a gentleman he is they would be even more apt to root for him. I also thought Dallas McCarver was pretty good too.
Agreed....but thats the point I was making about the Weiders....they KNEW how to market guys....but they also loved the sport and wouldn't let guys embarrass them.....You had to kiss Weider's ring or you wouldn't get shit accomplished in bodybuilding......
yes some say uncle Joe was a tyrant...but bodybuilding was so much more professional when he was around and looking after things
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Maybe its just that Getbig is getting older. 10 years ago we had time to be following the nonsense and wasting time on message boards. Now we're older, have kids, maybe work two jobs. Also, Getbig isn't getting the new members it used to which probably the reason the UK contingent is given free reign to gimmick the place up.
There's also the zombie apocalypse, muslim hordes, dollar collapse, ebola and war with China/Russia to worry about. Who's got time for men in thongs?!
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The prize money and statistics that guy said before the olympia started clearly shows bb is not dying.
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Maybe its just that Getbig is getting older. 10 years ago we had time to be following the nonsense and wasting time on message boards. Now we're older, have kids, maybe work two jobs. Also, Getbig isn't getting the new members it used to which probably the reason the UK contingent is given free reign to gimmick the place up.
There's also the zombie apocalypse, muslim hordes, dollar collapse, ebola and war with China/Russia to worry about. Who's got time for men in thongs?!
NICE POINT :)
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Here we are in 2015, with 888 digital channels and the biggest show in bodybuilding isn't even shown on ESPN 8 " the ocho" at 3 a.m. LOL.
Now the coverage is right up there with drunken bar slut selfies and bathroom posed instagram pics. ::)
Agreed!...LOL..all of these channels need shows in which to fill time.....by covering the Mr. Olympia and all the fitness shows and expos they could go wall to wall coverage from the Thursday afternoon press conference until the after party.....LOL...yet NO ONE wants to touch it....even the boring religious channels :D
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Was there less of a crowd at the event or the expo?
Didn't they double the prize money for the winner?
Did Kai just land some ESPN deal or something?
Was it not popular on other forms of social media?
How do you know if it's really "dying"? Maybe this board has just leveled off.
*Disclaimer, as said, this is a niche and will always be.......just wanted to argue OP's point.
Desperate attempts at hiding the obvious truth
No ones in the audience.. The production is worse than a low budget web porno production
Competitors looks like total shit
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Yeah, normally the live webcast thread on Getbig is blowing(no homo) through page after page.
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That's where you are wrong. There was huge hate for Ronnie on this board when he was winning all the time. The only difference between him and Heath is that Ronnie is someone who remained a complete and utter outstanding example when he stepped off stage. Heath puts clothes on and becomes mortal. Ronnie was on another planet to his fellow competitors so there was always the begrudging respect from people who were into Jay.
There was also "huge hate" when the title was a hot potato (2006-2011), three different champions crowned during that time.
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Nobody cares about men's physique. The women had a bigger crowd than they did at their show. The arena for the Mr O was packed. My thing was that the show lacked production value and presentation. I thought they should be more like wrestling and have some interviews with people like they had with HHH and Ronnie. Also I think they should have the scores up after every round so you can know what's going on and feel like you're watching a COMPETITION.
But then they couldn't cheat
The production was OK. The video intros were reminiscent of the WBF championship from 1991.
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There was more interest last year because you had a top challenger to Heath in Kai, Jay's comeback, the emergence of Rhoden and the mystique surrounding Ramy.
This year you had none of that stuff.
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I remember the Night of Champions when it was held in the Beacon Theatre, capacity 3800. The year I went, the night show was sold out.
This year, the NY Pro was held in the Banquet Room of a New Jersey hotel. I believe some kid's Bar Mitzvah was taking place, at the same time.
I was there at the 98 NOC, completely sold out. Wayne Demilia new how to run a show.
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There was more interest last year because you had a top challenger to Heath in Kai, Jay's comeback, the emergence of Rhoden and the mystique surrounding Ramy.
This year you had none of that stuff.
And people were hoping for a fight onstage. Even I watched online last year because I wanted to see Kai kick Phil's ass onstage.
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There was more interest last year because you had a top challenger to Heath in Kai, Jay's comeback, the emergence of Rhoden and the mystique surrounding Ramy.
This year you had none of that stuff.
I beg to differ. How about 45-year-old former Mr. O, Dexter Jackson, looking terrific and coming oh-so-close to winning another Sandow. And he competed in multiple shows this year vs. Heath's just doing the Olympia.
And why is it that, all of a sudden, people are whining about Greene not competing this year? When he was competing, all we heard was he should not be onstage due to his controversial past. Now, that he's gone, there's wailing and bemoaning about his absence.
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I beg to differ. How about 45-year-old former Mr. O, Dexter Jackson, looking terrific and coming oh-so-close to win by another Sandow. And he competed in multiple shows this year vs. Heath's just doing the Olympia.
And why is it that, all of a sudden, people are whining about Greene not competing this year? When he was competing, all we heard was he should not be onstage due to his controversial past. Now, that he's gone, there's wailing and bemoaning about his absense.
That was a GREAT story. The audience was really pulling for him and can you believe it? 45 years old and was the second best?? Awesome story!
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GRAPE, Actually you ask some pretty valid questions and this is my attempt to offer some pretty valid answers ......
Was there less of a crowd at the event or the expo?
NOPE. I have been informed by valid sources (more than a couple) that the Expo attendance increased by approximately 10% this year.
And the Friday and Saturday nite attendance was almost full. Maybe someone can elaborate on that.
I stopped counting when I got to '26".
Didn't they double the prize money for the winner?
Nope, but Mr. Pecker increased it by $100,000 during his introductory speech. But don't ever expect to see a pro football pay-scale.
Did Kai just land some ESPN deal or something?
I seriously doubt that ESPN would want to be associated with Kai.
How do you know if it's really "dying"? Maybe this board has just leveled off.
I may be one of the few GetBiggers who think that the Oly is NOT dying, but without valid stats ..... it's difficult to argue with those who think it's on it's last leg.
I would assume that those who think it's dying, have never been to an Oly contest to personally observe the interest or simply think it's dying because it's 'politically correct' on this GetBig Board to think it is.
As someone mentioned above we can all expect a huge growth surge within the NPC/IFBB when this new classic division comes into play.
And then the 'hatred' will really blossom.
But have no worry, GetBig fans! .... the Oly is still in its infant stage with many years to go until all these divisions come together and are combined as one to satisfy one and all.
But even then .........
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The only thing Phil wil be remembered for his killing the fans love of bodybuilding
Phil Heath killed bodybuilding
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The only thing Phil wil be remembered for his killing the fans love of bodybuilding
Phil Heath killed bodybuilding
What if Kai starts preparing Phils speeches, will that help bodybuilding?
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Here we are in 2015, with 888 digital channels and the biggest show in bodybuilding isn't even shown on ESPN 8 " the ocho" at 3 a.m. LOL.
Now the coverage is right up there with drunken bar slut selfies and bathroom posed instagram pics. ::)
So what? Back in the day, the Olympia was on ESPN........three to six months after it happened at 0-dark-30 in the morning.
To put this in perspective, Heath made five times as much for his 5th Olympia as Haney did for his last one.
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LMFAO! great stuff
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GRAPE, Actually you ask some pretty valid questions and this is my attempt to offer some pretty valid answers ......
Was there less of a crowd at the event or the expo?
NOPE. I have been informed by valid sources (more than a couple) that the Expo attendance increased by approximately 10% this year.
And the Friday and Saturday nite attendance was almost full. Maybe someone can elaborate on that.
I stopped counting when I got to '26".
Didn't they double the prize money for the winner?
Nope, but Mr. Pecker increased it by $100,000 during his introductory speech. But don't ever expect to see a pro football pay-scale.
Did Kai just land some ESPN deal or something?
I seriously doubt that ESPN would want to be associated with Kai.
How do you know if it's really "dying"? Maybe this board has just leveled off.
I may be one of the few GetBiggers who think that the Oly is NOT dying, but without valid stats ..... it's difficult to argue with those who think it's on it's last leg.
I would assume that those who think it's dying, have never been to an Oly contest to personally observe the interest or simply think it's dying because it's 'politically correct' on this GetBig Board to think it is.
As someone mentioned above we can all expect a huge growth surge within the NPC/IFBB when this new classic division comes into play.
And then the 'hatred' will really blossom.
But have no worry, GetBig fans! .... the Oly is still in its infant stage with many years to go until all these divisions come together and are combined as one to satisfy one and all.
But even then .........
Thanks stunt, appreciate the feedback.
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Yeah, normally the live webcast thread on Getbig is blowing(no homo) through page after page.
At least 40 pages last year were grapefruit references so Kai being out obviously hurt.
Also there was much less lag on the webcast for me this year, and it could be there was less web traffic trying to get through.
The number of hits to the webcast would be a good proxy but we don't know that number.
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And why is it that, all of a sudden, people are whining about Greene not competing this year? When he was competing, all we heard was he should not be onstage due to his controversial past. Now, that he's gone, there's wailing and bemoaning about his absence.
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The Mr Olympia POLITRICKS killed Mr O bodybuilding
The Mr O is guy Relevant. Youtube muggz with a silky tongue can outsell the sponsors of the Mr. Olympia.
Kai Greene made more money Guest Posing than Phil heath made all year. Everybody knows he blew the Olympia off. And it worked. Nobody is talking about the Mr. O. Nobody is buying Phil's supplements. Nobody trust the Mr. Olympia. Besides, supplement companys must be the DUMBEST clowns in bodybuilding. They act like its the 1990's. Whack fillers posing as supplement Do Not Sell!!!
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I beg to differ. How about 45-year-old former Mr. O, Dexter Jackson, looking terrific and coming oh-so-close to winning another Sandow. And he competed in multiple shows this year vs. Heath's just doing the Olympia.
And why is it that, all of a sudden, people are whining about Greene not competing this year? When he was competing, all we heard was he should not be onstage due to his controversial past. Now, that he's gone, there's wailing and bemoaning about his absence.
Dexter is a phenom but he's pretty unknown outside of the BB circle. On the other hand, guys like Kai and Jay have managed to gain an element of mainstream popularity so have far more fans. Everyone here likes to joke about Kai but we all have to admit that he's probably the most entertaining pro around at the moment.
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Dexter is a phenom but he's pretty unknown outside of the BB circle. On the other hand, guys like Kai and Jay have managed to gain an element of mainstream popularity so have far more fans. Everyone here likes to joke about Kai but we all have to admit that he's probably the most entertaining pro around at the moment.
Where does jay have an element of mainstream popularity? Kai seems to be one of the only people branching out from the industry
Phil could most definitely do it but he's acting too stupid
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This Thread is the 2014 Mr Olympia - a STAGGERING 96 PAGES!!!!!
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=550786.0
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This thread is the 2015 Mr Olympia - a paltry 17 pages :-X
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=580720.0
Quote from 2015 thread
From 96 pages to 17 pages????
WTF???
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmimn.gif)
Mr Olympia fucked up this year, hell they should have gave it to Dexter to shake shit up
This sport is Dying - the lil ass Physique boys are taking over
If you aren't interested in the divas in the pageant why post about it?
Most of the guys on stage don't even look like they wanna be there. Most look like they're more excited about a nap and cheeseburger.
They've reached the pinnacle of their respective "sport" and they're emotionless. I know they're over dieted, carb depleted, tired, yada, yada, yada......part of the deal.....grab sack and nut up.
These gorillas trained and dieted and pincushioned themselves to be on that stage. The throngs of of schmoes bought their tickets to see the dancing monkeys......so dance!
Even if the physiques are weaker than the past so what? Bring some intensity on stage. Guys from the past showed aggression on stage. Yes, it's a beauty pageant, but it's the freakshow pageant. Get in people's faces a little in a fun way.....show some emotion.
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Where does jay have an element of mainstream popularity? Kai seems to be one of the only people branching out from the industry
Phil could most definitely do it but he's acting too stupid
I think Jay is one of the most recognizable figures in BB. Go to any gym on the planet and most of even the casual lifters would have heard of him. He's still one of the most popular attractions during BB expos and events.
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I think Jay is one of the most recognizable figures in BB. Go to any gym on the planet and most of even the casual lifters would have heard of him. He's still one of the most popular attractions during BB expos and events.
in youtube videos also have more views than any other pro