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Title: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2015, 06:36:35 PM
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Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on September 30, 2015, 06:43:19 PM
Dumb looking big arms that make the rest of him look fucked up
Stupid looking chest
Narrow delts
Nice duck feet dumb ass stretch your hips
Gross abs
Dumb ass face
Dumb ass expressions
Looks like he's about to keel over
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: The_Punisher on September 30, 2015, 06:45:54 PM
mid section, not so impressive
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Irongrip400 on September 30, 2015, 06:46:34 PM
Massive bloofy arms of peace.  ::)
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on September 30, 2015, 06:48:39 PM
Phillip please log on here so we can enjoy pleasant convos about your pics please
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2015, 06:49:03 PM
Here's a pic of Rhoden, I believe it's from this year.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on September 30, 2015, 06:49:56 PM
Here's a pic of Rhoden, I believe it's from this year.
holy crap he's like a statue
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2015, 06:51:26 PM
holy crap he's like a statue

Yeah.  It's an epic pic.  Wheeleresque. But wider.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 30, 2015, 06:57:53 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Pet shop boys on September 30, 2015, 06:59:04 PM
Rhoden way more balanced than Philsulin


Wooshhhhhh
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Wiggs on September 30, 2015, 06:59:56 PM
BTW, here's a Lee Haney pic I'd never seen until recently.
Perfection

Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 30, 2015, 07:01:26 PM
BTW, here's a Lee Haney pic I'd never seen until recently.
Perfection



Great shot
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Azure on September 30, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Here's a pic of Rhoden, I believe it's from this year.

Shawn looks great.

I want to like phil but it just doesn't look good to me. Maybe he should do the facial hair thing
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Royalty on September 30, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
Chris Aceto said that Heath gained 12lbs between the prejudging (on Friday) and the finals (on Saturday)
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Royalty on September 30, 2015, 07:07:47 PM
holy crap he's like a statue

But still he is a poor man's Flex Wheeler
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on September 30, 2015, 07:08:43 PM
Holy shit has his noggin grown. How fucking healthy can that really be? Any hint of a tumor in you and you're toast...
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on September 30, 2015, 07:12:16 PM
Take away the stupidly big arms and he is not even top 3.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Azure on September 30, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
Chris Aceto said that Heath gained 12lbs between the prejudging (on Friday) and the finals (on Saturday)

Thats crazy. They were trying so hard to avoid the gut Friday. He was so proud he had to show the haters when he first walked out.

I agree about his head. I wonder what he will look like when he stops. He will probably be chunky...which isn't bad
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: drmarkp on September 30, 2015, 07:22:13 PM
BTW, here's a Lee Haney pic I'd never seen until recently.
Perfection



Haney shits all over Rhoden AND Phil ..
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: beakdoctor on September 30, 2015, 07:24:09 PM
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Looks like he mis timed his peak.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: TheShape. on September 30, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
Terrible proportions.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Croatch on September 30, 2015, 07:33:05 PM
Dumb looking big arms that make the rest of him look fucked up
Stupid looking chest
Narrow delts
Nice duck feet dumb ass stretch your hips
Gross abs
Dumb ass face
Dumb ass expressions
Looks like he's about to keel over
Just curious....did you ever post those pics of yourself for precontest?
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: SF1900 on September 30, 2015, 07:39:04 PM
Just curious....did you ever post those pics of yourself for precontest?

Ive seen pics of NW. He looks REALLY good.

We cant all be as hardcore as you, Croatch.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: njflex on September 30, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
Ive seen pics of NW. He looks REALLY good.

We cant all be as hardcore as you, Croatch.  ::) ::)
x2...he workrd hard,
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: DanzigBrah on September 30, 2015, 07:54:36 PM
he's just a blob of mass, like the previous poster said Haney dumps on them Lee Priest style.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Hulkotron on September 30, 2015, 07:54:39 PM
Yeah.  It's an epic pic.  Wheeleresque. But wider.

I think he LLS there, what am I missing ???

On the topic of Phil, bloofy rubber muscle-suit / blown up from within etc.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Al Doggity on September 30, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
I think he LLS there, what am I missing ???



The fact that his name is not "Phil".  I don't think he looks like shit, but that is not a particularly impressive pic of him.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Cableguy on September 30, 2015, 08:10:14 PM
Here's a pic of Rhoden, I believe it's from this year.

I'm impressed. He actually looks like a real bodybuilder! His waist is tiny. Looks like it may be shopped slightly.

Phil's shots look like they may be shopped as well as far as his conditioning goes.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: illuminati on September 30, 2015, 09:08:38 PM
Take away the stupidly big arms and he is not even top 3.














This x2.
Add in the 2 ab bloated mess of a midsection
And the huge Head..!!!

No hate to Phil, That is not the best physique
On the planet.

The Olympia judgeing needs a damn good shake up.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Croatch on September 30, 2015, 09:18:44 PM
Ive seen pics of NW. He looks REALLY good.

We cant all be as hardcore as you, Croatch.  ::) ::)
I was curious as to the pre contest shots.  Haven't seen any posted as mentioned.

SF...of course you can't be as hardcore as me...unless you amassed 50lbs of muscle with zero drugs to do so, from A-B.  I'm well aware of this.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: SF1900 on September 30, 2015, 09:48:32 PM
I was curious as to the pre contest shots.  Haven't seen any posted as mentioned.

SF...of course you can't be as hardcore as me...unless you amassed 50lbs of muscle with zero drugs to do so, from A-B.  I'm well aware of this.

Ive trained with NW/. Hes in excellent shape. You can or cannot believe me. I am sure NW is not losing sleep over it.

Yet, you're still not a lifetime natural.  :D :D :D I am.

Further, you do not know how I look  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: SOMEPARTS on September 30, 2015, 10:24:38 PM
Ernie Taylor is crying about how well those arms are done up, I'm sure.

When something looks too good to be true it usually is...and someday people are going to look back and plainly see how out of whack those arms are.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: obsidian on September 30, 2015, 11:22:10 PM
holy crap he's like a statue
He looks good in that photo. Yet when compared to Flex?? Total destruction!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=581117.0;attach=651483;image)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Europe on September 30, 2015, 11:47:49 PM
1.0 Heaths wide
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Wiggs on October 01, 2015, 12:26:27 AM
Rhoden shouldn't put any more weight on.  If anything, he should take the weight from his new gut and add it to the middle of his back, then he'd be Mr. O.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: dj181 on October 01, 2015, 01:37:50 AM
winner of the mr. gutlympia

fuck them turtle guts
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: WOOO on October 01, 2015, 01:41:47 AM
He looks good in that photo. Yet when compared to Flex?? Total destruction!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=581117.0;attach=651483;image)

Yuck. Bodybuilding is going backwards
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: 10pints on October 01, 2015, 02:12:25 AM
Philumbolism looks like a sack of shit. Narrow as fuck, awful midsection, oiled up arms and nostrils bigger than his pecs. Haney showing what a real bodybuilder should look like.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Yamcha on October 01, 2015, 02:22:51 AM
I didn't know things could "ascend" in a toilet bowl.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on October 01, 2015, 03:03:04 AM
holy crap he's like a statue

Rhoden just needs to bring up his back.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: d0nny2600 on October 01, 2015, 03:19:21 AM
Waist line is busted. Rhoden and Dex look better now
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Parker on October 01, 2015, 03:48:00 AM
Yeah.  It's an epic pic.  Wheeleresque. But flatter.
Lol...fixed.

Phil looks like he "philled" out.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Grape Ape on October 01, 2015, 04:06:18 AM
I dunno - I think if you guys saw this pic and it was the same body but not Heath, he'd be getting rave reviews here on conditioning, arms, delts, etc.....


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=583051.0;attach=652314;image)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Parker on October 01, 2015, 04:22:23 AM
I dunno - I think if you guys saw this pic and it was the same body but not Heath, he'd be getting rave reviews here on conditioning, arms, delts, etc.....


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=583051.0;attach=652314;image)

His abs are getting blurry. Losing detail. When he was younger and lighter, his arms had more detail to them.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: njflex on October 01, 2015, 04:57:28 AM
His abs are getting blurry. Losing detail. When he was younger and lighter, his arms had more detail to them.
wheeler did the same thing/look in the end and in his last mro he dropped down'natural'lol for it,,,
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Azure on October 01, 2015, 07:23:10 AM
I dunno - I think if you guys saw this pic and it was the same body but not Heath, he'd be getting rave reviews here on conditioning, arms, delts, etc.....


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=583051.0;attach=652314;image)


I think Mr Olympia gets harsher criticism because he's the gold standard.

I will never get the narrow comments because in this picture and in person he's too poofy for his frame. I just don't think this looks very good. His head also looks crazy and is distracting.

I also think many of the negative comments have to do with his personality because if he acted better then I think people wouldn't do as much fault finding
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 01, 2015, 08:04:21 AM
Masks of Peace
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12079571_10153230560838037_3122694627511796005_n.jpg?oh=791e4aeaabf8e1fd8bf3faea01040e2c&oe=569DD0CE)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Twaddle on October 01, 2015, 08:05:42 AM
Hello photoshop, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=583051.0;attach=652313;image)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Disco187 on October 01, 2015, 08:07:46 AM
Sweeps and round muscle bellies is what makes a bodybuilder, either you have the genes for them or you dont, Phil has very good arms as i said before he has a great brachialradialus which gives him a edge, i watched the prejuding and phil did have a edge on everyone, not saying he is one of my favs but the man did look best in show
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: beakdoctor on October 01, 2015, 08:12:16 AM
I dunno - I think if you guys saw this pic and it was the same body but not Heath, he'd be getting rave reviews here on conditioning, arms, delts, etc.....


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=583051.0;attach=652314;image)

Agreed. Phil is not a popular champ. He has no charisma or character.....The above photo's look unreal, unfortunately the probably are. He didnt look like that on stage.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: njflex on October 01, 2015, 08:12:45 AM
Sweeps and round muscle bellies is what makes a bodybuilder, either you have the genes for them or you dont, Phil has very good arms as i said before he has a great brachialradialus which gives him a edge, i watched the prejuding and phil did have a edge on everyone, not saying he is one of my favs but the man did look best in show
don't get wrong rhoden looks awesome ,but that shot he looks facially and body like marcus haley from the side...
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Wiggs on October 01, 2015, 08:17:07 AM
Masks of Peace
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12079571_10153230560838037_3122694627511796005_n.jpg?oh=791e4aeaabf8e1fd8bf3faea01040e2c&oe=569DD0CE)

I saw this earlier. Not too many people can stand next to Kai and hold their own. Ulysses does well.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: njflex on October 01, 2015, 08:19:56 AM
I saw this earlier. Not too many people can stand next to Kai and hold their own. Ulysses does well.
looks like a pre-morphed version minus the waist...
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Hulkotron on October 01, 2015, 08:40:59 AM
Sweeps and round muscle bellies is what makes a bodybuilder, either you have the genes for them or you dont, Phil has very good arms as i said before he has a great brachialradialus which gives him a edge, i watched the prejuding and phil did have a edge on everyone, not saying he is one of my favs but the man did look best in show

Yes this is the key to Phil's arms, I think I've posted about this before as well.  In some shots it looks almost like he has another muscle that everyone else doesn't.

(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c295/Steedie/top3.jpg)

(https://dietsofathletes.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wolf-vs-heath-bicep.jpg)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 01, 2015, 08:50:10 AM
I saw this earlier. Not too many people can stand next to Kai and hold their own. Ulysses does well.

Better to sacrifice some size, overall mass and waist-width to gain some height

Mask 1 > Grapefruit Mask
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Ronnie Rep on October 01, 2015, 08:50:39 AM
Sweeps and round muscle bellies is what makes a bodybuilder, either you have the genes for them or you dont, Phil has very good arms as i said before he has a great brachialradialus which gives him a edge, i watched the prejuding and phil did have a edge on everyone, not saying he is one of my favs but the man did look best in show
Agree, precisely what makes Dexter, Flex Wheeler special. That is the only reason that Phil gets away with being narrow.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Iceman1981 on October 01, 2015, 08:57:54 AM
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Wiggs, those are old pics that were posted on Phil's website years ago. Not new at all.

http://www.phillipheath.com/photos/
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Immortal_Technique on October 01, 2015, 09:31:08 AM
Some of y'all don't know shit about bodybuilding haha.

Conditioning from the rear is a huge thing. Phil has awesome hams and glutes. Anyone you think should beat him will have to tick this box first. Then you can look at chests and delts etc. Incidentally I was really hoping Kai would compete and win. But in his absence Phil has the driest crispest back, best overall conditioning and best balance.

Roden has great shape, but is waterlogged as hell.

Ramy could win but brought too much fat and water.

Wolf, structurally despite his strengths has some major flaws which Phil beats him on.

Which leaves Dexter. I'd be happy for Dexter to win. He loses on calves, but otherwise you could flip it between the two of them.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on October 01, 2015, 09:32:55 AM
Some of y'all don't know shit about bodybuilding haha.

Conditioning from the rear is a huge thing. Phil has awesome hams and glutes. Anyone you think should beat him will have to tick this box first. Then you can look at chests and delts etc. Incidentally I was really hoping Kai would compete and win. But in his absence Phil has the driest crispest back, best overall conditioning and best balance.

Roden has great shape, but is waterlogged as hell.

Ramy could win but brought too much fat and water.

Wolf, structurally despite his strengths has some major flaws which Phil beats him on.

Which leaves Dexter. I'd be happy for Dexter to win. He loses on calves, but otherwise you could flip it between the two of them.

Not sure why anyone thought Dexter was close.  He looked great but Heath beat him by a mile.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: njflex on October 01, 2015, 09:34:31 AM
Some of y'all don't know shit about bodybuilding haha.

Conditioning from the rear is a huge thing. Phil has awesome hams and glutes. Anyone you think should beat him will have to tick this box first. Then you can look at chests and delts etc. Incidentally I was really hoping Kai would compete and win. But in his absence Phil has the driest crispest back, best overall conditioning and best balance.

Roden has great shape, but is waterlogged as hell.

Ramy could win but brought too much fat and water.

Wolf, structurally despite his strengths has some major flaws which Phil beats him on.

Which leaves Dexter. I'd be happy for Dexter to win. He loses on calves, but otherwise you could flip it between the two of them.
day 2 pics showed his dominance ,,,he was bigger/harder esp as u said from the back too much muscle for dex..
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on October 01, 2015, 09:41:26 AM
His head is growing at a rate the same as his arms. Could this guy be shooting Synthol related product into his head?lol
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Parker on October 01, 2015, 10:19:29 AM
Masks of Peace
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12079571_10153230560838037_3122694627511796005_n.jpg?oh=791e4aeaabf8e1fd8bf3faea01040e2c&oe=569DD0CE)
And I'd rather look like Ulisses.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Ronnie Rep on October 01, 2015, 12:33:56 PM
Some of y'all don't know shit about bodybuilding haha.

Conditioning from the rear is a huge thing. Phil has awesome hams and glutes. Anyone you think should beat him will have to tick this box first. Then you can look at chests and delts etc. Incidentally I was really hoping Kai would compete and win. But in his absence Phil has the driest crispest back, best overall conditioning and best balance.

Roden has great shape, but is waterlogged as hell.

Ramy could win but brought too much fat and water.

Wolf, structurally despite his strengths has some major flaws which Phil beats him on.

Which leaves Dexter. I'd be happy for Dexter to win. He loses on calves, but otherwise you could flip it between the two of them.
Agree that when Phil turns around he dominates. No one comes close especially this year with the detail and crispness from the rear.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Cableguy on October 01, 2015, 12:40:53 PM
And I'd rather look like Ulisses.

Of course, who wouldn't. He looks like a real bodybuilder. And that blatant use of oil in Kai's rear delts looks absolutely ridiculous in that shot.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: illuminati on October 01, 2015, 03:34:38 PM
He looks good in that photo. Yet when compared to Flex?? Total destruction!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=581117.0;attach=651483;image)














He maybe slightly 'bigger - heavier'
No way overall is Rohden anywhere near
In Flex wheelers league.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Kwon_2 on October 01, 2015, 03:36:48 PM
And I'd rather look like Ulisses.
I believe mostly everyone would but a few.

Taller, smaller waist, looks more athletic, no blatant oil in delts etc
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: illuminati on October 01, 2015, 03:40:13 PM
I dunno - I think if you guys saw this pic and it was the same body but not Heath, he'd be getting rave reviews here on conditioning, arms, delts, etc.....


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=583051.0;attach=652314;image)
















His arms, delts & chest thickness all huge.

Waist / abs- not good.
Neck--  :-[ what going on there.
Legs -- Thick, no shape / sweep.

If we didn't know it was Phil & it was some random
New comer.
Don't think we'd see him as a Mr.O winner.
Though as above someone with
Some very Good Body parts.
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: anabolicguru on October 01, 2015, 03:43:37 PM
He looks good in that photo. Yet when compared to Flex?? Total destruction!

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=581117.0;attach=651483;image)

put rhoden in those lighting and he will look twice as impressive as flex.  Kamali Kitchen Klassic of peace
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Azure on October 01, 2015, 03:56:43 PM
Seriously though...What is up with his head? ??? ???  He looks so much better with hair and facial hair.
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on October 01, 2015, 04:27:09 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Hypo on October 01, 2015, 09:49:34 PM
And I'd rather look like Ulisses.

+1
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: Bevo on October 02, 2015, 12:04:52 AM
Yeah.  It's an epic pic.  Wheeleresque. But wider.

Not even close
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Powerlift66 on October 02, 2015, 01:20:04 AM
Phil couldnt carry Lee's gym bag, he sucks... Mr. O  ::) ???
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: The Wizard on October 02, 2015, 04:25:32 AM
Here's a pic of Rhoden, I believe it's from this year.

"Judges" have no clue these days
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Pet shop boys on October 02, 2015, 05:10:02 AM
And I'd rather look like Ulisses.

I think everyone does .


WooSHHH  TA NA KA
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: SquidVicious on October 02, 2015, 05:49:05 AM
Take away the stupidly big arms and he is not even top 3.
Take away Dorians back and he's not even top 10. Your point?
Title: Re: Phil Heath Pics Post 2015 Olympia
Post by: Papper on October 02, 2015, 05:54:00 AM
Philips post Mr O pics will will be posted over and over and in 20 years people will look at them and say, "damn, that was perfection.."

::)
Title: Re: Pics of Phil post Olympia
Post by: The Wizard on October 02, 2015, 05:55:55 AM
Take away Dorians back and he's not even top 10. Your point?

I dunno, he won with one arm!