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If you're in condition, why does it take a guru to help you figure out how to get rid of subcutaneous water and fill out with carbs. They must be doing some pretty hardcore shit if Phil loses 12 lbs from Friday night to Saturday night. wtf are these guys doing?
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lasix iv ?
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If you're in condition, why does it take a guru to help you figure out how to get rid of subcutaneous water and fill out with carbs. They must be doing some pretty hardcore shit if Phil loses 12 lbs from Friday night to Saturday night. wtf are these guys doing?
Water manipulation.
By various means.
Can & does make a huge difference
If you get it Right or Wrong.
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If you're in condition, why does it take a guru to help you figure out how to get rid of subcutaneous water and fill out with carbs. They must be doing some pretty hardcore shit if Phil loses 12 lbs from Friday night to Saturday night. wtf are these guys doing?
Mostly water manipulation.
Instead of trial and error and learning themselves, pay money and look for the easy way out
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You ever try competing and doing peak week by yourself? Clearly not
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If you're in condition, why does it take a guru to help you figure out how to get rid of subcutaneous water and fill out with carbs. They must be doing some pretty hardcore shit if Phil loses 12 lbs from Friday night to Saturday night. wtf are these guys doing?
Where did the 12lbs figure come from? I do not believe that number. If he dehydrated, he hardly filled with 12lbs of carbs... conversely losing 12lbs in a day is nigh impossible unless one weight was bloated with food, you are very tall and fasted and dehydrated and shat out every orifice.
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Mostly water manipulation.
Instead of trial and error and learning themselves, pay money and look for the easy way out
I wouldn't say it's an easy way out.
Some people like or need to have guidance from others.
No different to any other aspect of Life.
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You ever try competing and doing peak week by yourself? Clearly not
This is why I asked genius.
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Where did the 12lbs figure come from? I do not believe that number. If he dehydrated, he hardly filled with 12lbs of carbs... conversely losing 12lbs in a day is nigh impossible unless one weight was bloated with food, you are very tall and fasted and dehydrated and shat out every orifice.
Plenty of different sports men are gaining
Or losing 5,10, 12lbs & more to make weight classes.
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In one day? I dropped 6kg in 36 hours to make weight for a powerlifting meet, but i am over 6ft tall and lose 7lbs (3+kg) every night. That involved fasting and taking white wine as a diuretic, i cant see that working well for a bodybuilder.
Plenty of different sports men are gaining
Or losing 5,10, 12lbs & more to make weight classes.
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It can & does work very well for bodybuilders
Like wise it can ruin a physique.
The key is Getting it Right.
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You ever try competing and doing peak week by yourself? Clearly not
You mean like Shawn Ray used to do?
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You ever try competing and doing peak week by yourself? Clearly not
I had help one show and placed second in my class. Kept it ultra simple following a protocol (ZERO DIURETICS) taught to me by a buddy who won the Cal - and won. If you are in shape it's not hard - but if you are trying to make up for being out its a total crap shoot. Not to mention diuretics are by far the most dangerous aspect of competing. plenty guys never use more than 1/2 dyazide late night before pre-judge morning
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I had help one show and placed second in my class. Kept it ultra simple following a protocol (ZERO DIURETICS) taught to me by a buddy who won the Cal - and won. If you are in shape it's not hard - but if you are trying to make up for being out its a total crap shoot. Not to mention diuretics are by far the most dangerous aspect of competing. plenty guys never use more than 1/2 dyazide late night before pre-judge morning
Care to share the non diuretic formula?
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I had help one show and placed second in my class. Kept it ultra simple following a protocol (ZERO DIURETICS) taught to me by a buddy who won the Cal - and won. If you are in shape it's not hard - but if you are trying to make up for being out its a total crap shoot. Not to mention diuretics are by far the most dangerous aspect of competing. plenty guys never use more than 1/2 dyazide late night before pre-judge morning
If you're competing at a higher level than you were than diuretics are a MUST they are a MUST to get that look you need to be competitive...But you need to maintain your size as well...If you timed things wrong or your diet was off during the time you were implementing diuretics to a larger degree you would have had a much tougher time in the last week of a prep...anyone can diet 12 weeks out for 8 weeks...But what you do for the last 4 is the most important...You assume everyone is 6% or below so diuretics make a huge difference...
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Can I assume correctly that todays last week prep on the pro level also consists of bringing one in as full as well as dry as possible so insulin (pharma not your body's) can play a role as well?
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You're muscles are almost all WATER, why would you want to flatten out? Diuretics are dangerous and not worth it. If you did came in shredded, and have good genetics, you're going to win regardless. People try to rely on too many drugs to hide their lack of genetics, lack of hard working dieting, and poor structure. Kevin Levrone used less than 1g of gear a week and worked out for 3 months before a show and took the rest of the year off. Genetics and discipline are everything in this sport. A natural Hebrew dude with amazing genetics will smoke a guy on 5g of gear a week and popping diuretics trying to become a bodybuilding champion. it's like a 5 ft 5 guy trying to make it in the NBA. if you have shit structure and poor eating habits, just give up on competitive bodybuilding. The people that panic at the last minute trying to come up with all these tricks to look better are doing that because they don't look good enough to win. And if you don't look like you can win the show 2 weeks out, you're wasting ur time.
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You're muscles are almost all WATER, why would you want to flatten out? Diuretics are dangerous and not worth it. If you did came in shredded, and have good genetics, you're going to win regardless. People try to rely on too many drugs to hide their lack of genetics, lack of hard working dieting, and poor structure. Kevin Levrone used less than 1g of gear a week and worked out for 3 months before a show and took the rest of the year off. Genetics and discipline are everything in this sport. A natural Hebrew dude with amazing genetics will smoke a guy on 5g of gear a week and popping diuretics trying to become a bodybuilding champion. it's like a 5 ft 5 guy trying to make it in the NBA. if you have shit structure and poor eating habits, just give up on competitive bodybuilding. The people that panic at the last minute trying to come up with all these tricks to look better are doing that because they don't look good enough to win. And if you don't look like you can win the show 2 weeks out, you're wasting ur time.
are you trolling? because if you are not trolling than you are completely delusional to think kevin only used 1g a week of gear...
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You're muscles are almost all WATER, why would you want to flatten out? Diuretics are dangerous and not worth it. If you did came in shredded, and have good genetics, you're going to win regardless. People try to rely on too many drugs to hide their lack of genetics, lack of hard working dieting, and poor structure. Kevin Levrone used less than 1g of gear a week and worked out for 3 months before a show and took the rest of the year off. Genetics and discipline are everything in this sport. A natural Hebrew dude with amazing genetics will smoke a guy on 5g of gear a week and popping diuretics trying to become a bodybuilding champion. it's like a 5 ft 5 guy trying to make it in the NBA. if you have shit structure and poor eating habits, just give up on competitive bodybuilding. The people that panic at the last minute trying to come up with all these tricks to look better are doing that because they don't look good enough to win. And if you don't look like you can win the show 2 weeks out, you're wasting ur time.
lol you are delusional this is all untrue...I don't blame you i blame the current fitness industry that misinforms people....You also believe lee priest cycled too and only does 2-3 shots of deca every couple months for his joints at 5'4 200lbs with abs ::)
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You're muscles are almost all WATER, why would you want to flatten out? Diuretics are dangerous and not worth it. If you did came in shredded, and have good genetics, you're going to win regardless. People try to rely on too many drugs to hide their lack of genetics, lack of hard working dieting, and poor structure. Kevin Levrone used less than 1g of gear a week and worked out for 3 months before a show and took the rest of the year off. Genetics and discipline are everything in this sport. A natural Hebrew dude with amazing genetics will smoke a guy on 5g of gear a week and popping diuretics trying to become a bodybuilding champion. it's like a 5 ft 5 guy trying to make it in the NBA. if you have shit structure and poor eating habits, just give up on competitive bodybuilding. The people that panic at the last minute trying to come up with all these tricks to look better are doing that because they don't look good enough to win. And if you don't look like you can win the show 2 weeks out, you're wasting ur time.
Levrone on less than 1g a week? Lol.
I hate the emphasis on dangerous levels of dehydration but lettuce be reality. Levrone was on a lot more than 1g a week.
Also it is about sub q water, not intramuscular...
Had to cut post short to race to shit while outside. Fucking cheat meal.
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You're muscles are almost all WATER, why would you want to flatten out? Diuretics are dangerous and not worth it. If you did came in shredded, and have good genetics, you're going to win regardless. People try to rely on too many drugs to hide their lack of genetics, lack of hard working dieting, and poor structure. Kevin Levrone used less than 1g of gear a week and worked out for 3 months before a show and took the rest of the year off. Genetics and discipline are everything in this sport. A natural Hebrew dude with amazing genetics will smoke a guy on 5g of gear a week and popping diuretics trying to become a bodybuilding champion. it's like a 5 ft 5 guy trying to make it in the NBA. if you have shit structure and poor eating habits, just give up on competitive bodybuilding. The people that panic at the last minute trying to come up with all these tricks to look better are doing that because they don't look good enough to win. And if you don't look like you can win the show 2 weeks out, you're wasting ur time.
I hear you man but we're talking about at the highest levels of bodybuilding where they're looking for all edges and this is a major edge whether we like it or not. The 90s was a real bad decade for bodybuilding because of all the diuretic mishaps. But they continue to play a part in bodybuilding albeit not as much because they want a full look now and not just shredded.
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You ever try competing and doing peak week by yourself? Clearly not
You talking to me or the nurse?
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Levrone ran 600mg test 400mg deca and 200mg winstrol for a pre contest cycle and dropped the test and deca 4 weeks out and added halotestin instead.
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Levrone ran 600mg test 400mg deca and 200mg winstrol for a pre contest cycle and dropped the test and deca 4 weeks out and added halotestin instead.
He also didnt drink jack daniels and is a good actor.
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Gentlemen, please. I'd like to get the mystery behind the final week of prep out there so people aren't so scared they just get a guru. There's no need for it to be that way. I'd like the more natural protocols for water shedding and carb loading. The potassium/non-potassium sparring diuretic thing is interesting to know as well. I'd like to know the science behind carb loading. I can find this stuff if I really looked but I want to hear from Getbiggers.
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If you're competing at a higher level than you were than diuretics are a MUST they are a MUST to get that look you need to be competitive...But you need to maintain your size as well...If you timed things wrong or your diet was off during the time you were implementing diuretics to a larger degree you would have had a much tougher time in the last week of a prep...anyone can diet 12 weeks out for 8 weeks...But what you do for the last 4 is the most important...You assume everyone is 6% or below so diuretics make a huge difference...
No - I have a very good friend that I guarantee you tells me everything and he just won his class at jr nats - he used the same protocol - 1/2 dyazide. Trust me - there are plenty national level competitors that don't like diuretics. I know some think they need them but I promise you not all.
I have been doing this 20 years man.
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Forillagorilla, are you going to share?
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wigss i think it has to do with the fact that these guys are on so many drugs and they eat a ton of calories
think about it pros from the 70's and early 80's ate a very low calorie diet when getting ready for a show. and they did a ton of cardio.
guys now eat like7000 calories a day and do a shit load of roids. i dont know about you but i could never get lean eating like that, i would be
a fucking pig.
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Wiggs, this is approximately how many pros do the last week:
Start with a diuretic like aldactone several days out, maybe a week. On wednesday, after depleting, you start carb loading hard with insulin, monitoring the look all the time. Then on friday night the guru looks at the guy and decides how much more water he needs to lose come predjudging. Then you take a loop diuretic like Bumex, Lasix etc, which works real quick, according to how the look is coming along. Too flat in the morning, take in more carbs, perhaps drinking more water. Watery, don't drink water, take more diuretic. That sort of thing.
Then again there are some who do the half a dyazide friday night thing, or even no diuretic at all, though almost all use at least a little diuretics.
The last second adjustments don't do shit if you're not lean enough and a lot of guys come in looking off and then blame the last minute stuff.
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Wiggs, this is approximately how many pros do the last week:
Start with a diuretic like aldactone several days out, maybe a week. On wednesday, after depleting, you start carb loading hard with insulin, monitoring the look all the time. Then on friday night the guru looks at the guy and decides how much more water he needs to lose come predjudging. Then you take a loop diuretic like Bumex, Lasix etc, which works real quick, according to how the look is coming along. Too flat in the morning, take in more carbs, perhaps drinking more water. Watery, don't drink water, take more diuretic. That sort of thing.
Then again there are some who do the half a dyazide friday night thing, or even no diuretic at all, though almost all use at least a little diuretics.
The last second adjustments don't do shit if you're not lean enough and a lot of guys come in looking off and then blame the last minute stuff.
Thanks Van. What about old school with no pharma diuretic?
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Thanks Van. What about old school with no pharma diuretic?
Diet well and don't rely on unrealistic standards of dryness and shitty lighting.
Lighting today is absurd. Head on 1000 watt halogen lamps ffs.
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wigss i think it has to do with the fact that these guys are on so many drugs and they eat a ton of calories
think about it pros from the 70's and early 80's ate a very low calorie diet when getting ready for a show. and they did a ton of cardio.
guys now eat like7000 calories a day and do a shit load of roids. i dont know about you but i could never get lean eating like that, i would be
a fucking pig.
I hear you man. I'm sure these guys take stuff up to the day of the show now and use diuretics to counteract the water retention but trying to stay full at the same time.
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Diet well and don't rely on unrealistic standards of dryness and shitty lighting.
Lighting today is absurd. Head on 1000 watt halogen lamps ffs.
That makes too much sense. lol ;)
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That makes too much sense. lol ;)
Seriously, the lighting makes the dryness a necessity and the dryness is unhealthy.
Bit of overhead lighting wouldn't kill.. the contest or the athletes
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Wiggs, this is approximately how many pros do the last week:
Start with a diuretic like aldactone several days out, maybe a week. On wednesday, after depleting, you start carb loading hard with insulin, monitoring the look all the time. Then on friday night the guru looks at the guy and decides how much more water he needs to lose come predjudging. Then you take a loop diuretic like Bumex, Lasix etc, which works real quick, according to how the look is coming along. Too flat in the morning, take in more carbs, perhaps drinking more water. Watery, don't drink water, take more diuretic. That sort of thing.
Then again there are some who do the half a dyazide friday night thing, or even no diuretic at all, though almost all use at least a little diuretics.
The last second adjustments don't do shit if you're not lean enough and a lot of guys come in looking off and then blame the last minute stuff.
I have no personal interest in insulin but the science behind that is the addition of insulin shuttles the glucose into the muscle faster and more of it correct? Giving one a very full appearance. But over doing it can make you spill over worse right?
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Thanks Van. What about old school with no pharma diuretic?
I thought diuretics is pretty old school :D
In the past many bodybuilders were more obsessed with sodium restriction I think. Some went weeks with no added sodium to the chicken and rice diet. Not even egg whites due to the sodium content. Sauna to sweat off more water. Coming off gear alltogether to reduce drug bloat. Nowadays everyone is so obsessed with fullness so they do a lot of drugs that make you hold water right up to the show and then use the diuretics to dehydrate until satisfied with the conditioning.
Anyone see how almost all guys had injection bumps on their ass at the Mr O? Even Heath had very clear and fresh bee stings on his glutes. Roelly looked like he had shot at least 10cc of irritating gear in each ass cheek 2 days out. :D
I have no personal interest in insulin but the science behind that is the addition of insulin shuttles the glucose into the muscle faster and more of it correct? Giving one a very full appearance. But over doing it can make you spill over worse right?
Exactly. Many inject it minutes before stage also, along with Viagra for a good pump. :D
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I thought diuretics is pretty old school :D
In the past many bodybuilders were more obsessed with sodium restriction I think. Some went weeks with no added sodium to the chicken and rice diet. Not even egg whites due to the sodium content. Sauna to sweat off more water. Coming off gear alltogether to reduce drug bloat. Nowadays everyone is so obsessed with fullness so they do a lot of drugs that make you hold water right up to the show and then use the diuretics to dehydrate until satisfied with the conditioning.
Anyone see how almost all guys had injection bumps on their ass at the Mr O? Even Heath had very clear and fresh bee stings on his glutes. Roelly looked like he had shot at least 10cc of irritating gear in each ass cheek 2 days out. :D
Exactly. Many inject it minutes before stage also, along with Viagra for a good pump. :D
Thanks alot. Still don't know why these guys need gurus. If you are in a sport professionally, you should know how to prepare all in all aspects of that sport. A second pair of professional eyes doesn't hurt but a guru is uncalled for and it more money you have to dish out.
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Thanks alot. Still don't know why these guys need gurus. If you are in a sport professionally, you should know how to prepare all in all aspects of that sport. A second pair of professional eyes doesn't hurt but a guru is uncalled for and it more money you have to dish out.
guru = supplier
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guru = supplier
I've heard of this as well. Guys have been and will be able to get shot without a guru. I'm sure some of these top gurus are cooking up some pretty clean and potent stuff vs. ugl.
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Thanks alot. Still ly, you should know how to prepare all in all aspects of that sport. A second pair of professional eyes doesn't hurt but a guru is uncalled for and it more money you have to dish out.
Many of the guys are like children mentally, they need a babysitter.
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I've heard of this as well. Guys have been and will be able to get shot without a guru. I'm sure some of these top gurus are cooking up some pretty clean and potent stuff vs. ugl.
Remember that getbig poster that shot his girl and then himself? Drug supplier become guru. Cooking up shit in his kitchen just like any ugl, nothing sophisticated or super clean about it.
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Remember that getbig poster that shot his girl and then himself? Drug supplier become guru. Cooking up shit in his kitchen just like any ugl, nothing sophisticated or super clean about it.
You're right. Dave Jacobs.
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I've heard of this as well. Guys have been and will be able to get shot without a guru. I'm sure some of these top gurus are cooking up some pretty clean and potent stuff vs. ugl.
When I saw an alleged cycle by an alleged guru who allegedly dealt with ronnie coleman it was food insulin food insulin food insulin with gh thrown in between. I'm guessing it makes 5% difference or less but if you convince someone you know what will keep them alive with insulin and that 5% will make them win you hold the aces.
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in retrospect, I wish I would have hired someone. I always guessed what would work best, and I always guessed wrong dammit
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Forillagorilla, are you going to share?
Wiggs.....it would take a 3,000 word post to even begin to describe how to do it, but it can be done.
Right now guys are still fat and holding water, but blaming it all on water. Yes the competition lighting is atrocious, but part of prep is to get your color right and plan for that.
Trying to draw out water from under the skin when 3 more weeks of dieting is needed is just dumb.
But all this bullshit about eating 5,000 calories a day and being "cut"'is exactly that.....bullshit
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Forillagorilla, are you going to share?
Sorry man - was at gym on treadmill and got off to watch some of the game. Not staying online but what Van said is pretty much what I have seen. I made sure I was sure nuff lean 3 weeks out and then did a test run. Drank plenty water up until Friday at noon and kept eating asparagus. Cut water at noon on Friday and kept pissing until the next morning where I was dry as fuck. One time in I used 1/2 dyazide about 8 Friday night. When I first started competing I did the crazy sodium manipulation and tried some dumbass formula with water - used lasix - and looked and felt like utter dog shit. In fact I did it twice and the second time I didn't even place in top 3 so after pre judge when I knew my ass was gone I drank a shit load of tea and ate shit - that night looked like I should have been maybe third but by the next day I was ridiculous looking. I remember that being the first time I had veins in my abs. Still my dumbass was going to try and figure out what I had messed up but got sick before the next show (probably because I was killing myself with that shit).. Guy that saw me after the show helped me out by telling me to toss that nonsense and just get my ass in shape.
I believe that is what some pros do that you see looking retarded weeks out - they try some magic BS thinking they will squeeze another drop of water out and it fucks them up. I remember not being able to get a pump AT ALL when I did those few shows that way. I was friggin working my nuts off back stage and I literally couldn't get the slightest pump.
I never said I can speak for ALL pros or even for most - but I know for a fact that some absolutely do not use more than dyazide and look sawdust dry.
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Hence the Hammy 1-2 week out pics looking better than on stage.
I did this same shit one time going into a sauna to drop to a lower weight class for the night before weigh in. Looked like shit for AM prejudge. Realized I was out of the money for the night show. Drank some grapefruit juice (seriously, not a Kai reference) and ate a Jumbo Jack, maybe a little something else. Looked top 3 by the time it was too late.
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Levrone ran 600mg test 400mg deca and 200mg winstrol for a pre contest cycle and dropped the test and deca 4 weeks out and added halotestin instead.
Where's the Humatrope and anadrol? Kevin was huge on both of these drugs. You're very naive if you think the drugs you listed are all Kevin used pre contest.
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You ever try competing and doing peak week by yourself? Clearly not
Yeah. Helped a buddy first hand. Painting him was the worst of it.
No homo
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Yeah. Helped a buddy first hand. Painting him was the worst of it.
No homo
wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyy past your bedtime
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No - I have a very good friend that I guarantee you tells me everything and he just won his class at jr nats - he used the same protocol - 1/2 dyazide. Trust me - there are plenty national level competitors that don't like diuretics. I know some think they need them but I promise you not all.
I have been doing this 20 years man.
I don't care how long you've been doing it...there is no trust if you're trying to tell me at high levels you don't need diuretics your get drunken under the table without diuretic and very dangerous self procedure type deals a day or two before the contest...whether it be Lasix or the nolitil people at even local shows are full of Seo and on everything under the sun it doesn't matter how long you've been doing this if you're incorrect