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Why did so few golden era bb get BTs?
and they had no pct correct?
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Good question. I asked Wes and he says he's never used it, either. Where did the need for it come from, and is it a newer thing?
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pct?
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For the 1981 Mr. Olympia Franco Columbu had a terrible bitch-tit problem!!!
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For the 1981 Mr. Olympia Franco Columbu had a terrible bitch-tit problem!!!
It's got to be something I didn't do, since there are no "bitch tits" on this body.
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I have glorious huge bitchy titties, got em right when I did my first cyp/prop cycle
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Average test levels were a lot higher during those times for men...So they could handle aromatization better in most cases because they live with their test already elevated...Lots of UGL put straight estrogen in their Tren E and a lot of gear they sell...Some people have problems with SOME TEST and some people have problems with OTHER TEST same ester from different UGL at the same dose...This should tell you something...I also put a ton of blame on the diuretics...This is the common factor in separating...Diuretic use is more pronounced in the 2000's not saying it wasn't used before but def more pronounced...These and AI's have rebound effects that can cause gyno that can mess up your nips pretty good...
Again and these days people don't know how to 100% prepare for their gear because they don't know 100% what it's gonna be if they're going to a new source...Like if someone gives you tren instead of primo (just an example) and if you're someone who needs a DA with tren to keep all levels in check...Many uninformed will blame the primo and write about it on their keyboard on their forum...
This is why self experience is the most important...And no NOT JERRY WARD'S LIFE EXPERIENCE LOL...yours
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Yeah there were a few well known guys back in the day who had them. 70s and prior. I remember as a kid reading the mags and a few had them but most did not. Now every single bb had or had them n has had them cut out. Look at arnie, draper, grimek, all of them. No BTs. So common back then I can remember some. Metz I think had them. Could be wrong. A pro from Europe. England maybe had big ones. But most all were smooth chests.
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Yeah there were a few well known guys back in the day who had them. 70s and prior. I remember as a kid reading the mags and a few had them but most did not. Now every single bb had or had them n has had them cut out. Look at arnie, draper, grimek, all of them. No BTs. So common back then I can remember some. Metz I think had them. Could be wrong. A pro from Europe. England maybe had big ones. But most all were smooth chests.
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YEP, Hubert Metz...
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Ron Love always had Gyno.
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Ron Love always had Gyno.
yeah. Now your getting in to the 80s and they became way more common. Mike Christian had huge ones.
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Never used Test, never got gyno. Simple as that for me. I avoided it because of that reason.
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^ as above, never used test.
deca and primo were the oils they used. Albert Beckles son used to go my gym, said he doesn't use test because that's the way he was taught.
having said that, they did use a bunch of dbol. so its a weird one! but it wouldn't have been in the same mg range (or gram range rather!) as the anabolics and probably not enough to cause gyno for those who aren't prone.
there were a few who did have gyno though.
....and who's to say they didn't have nolva back then? i think disgusted mentioned some time ago that it was about in the 70's.
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Why did so few golden era bb get BTs?
and they had no pct correct?
The ones that got them didn't get published
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^ as above, never used test.
deca and primo were the oils they used. Albert Beckles son used to go my gym, said he doesn't use test because that's the way he was taught.
having said that, they did use a bunch of dbol. so its a weird one! but it wouldn't have been in the same mg range (or gram range rather!) as the anabolics and probably not enough to cause gyno for those who aren't prone.
there were a few who did have gyno though.
....and who's to say they didn't have nolva back then? i think disgusted mentioned some time ago that it was about in the 70's.
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Date Nolvadex first available for purchase Nov. 11/1974: From National Library of Medicine (Date of Entry 1974/11/11) as an Estrogen Antagonist.
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For the 1981 Mr. Olympia Franco Columbu had a terrible bitch-tit problem!!!
so this is interesting. All his early career nothing. Then in his comeback this. Different drugs? Counterfeits? Different combos? An older body reacting to drugs differently?
Theories?
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I always read about needing to start with a test base for any cycle. So is it not necessary after all?
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so this is interesting. All his early career nothing. Then in his comeback this. Different drugs? Counterfeits? Different combos? An older body reacting to drugs differently?
Theories?
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They used aromatizing drug just like today (test, D-bol)...and progestagenic drugs like Nandrolone, as well as drugs like Anadrol which have inherent estrogenic activity, but don't aromatize. However, the doses were far lower.
That is the ONLY reason there was a relative lack of gyno.
Back then, no one considered running a gram of test (if they did, it was very rare)...that would have been crazy. Even 500 mg/week back then was a big ass dose of test with the majority using less than that. D-bol in the 20 mg/day range was common (or less), with some BB'rs pushing it a little.
Nandrolone in doses of 200-300 mg/week was considered a normal dose....with 300 mg/week being on the higher end. I doubt anyone used 500 mg/week. Primo was used around similar doses, but Primo does not cause gyno....it was said Arnold liked Primo later on in his career...which would explain some of the increased dryness he achieved later on in his reign.
Although there is no one cycle that fits all, what you see below would've have been considered normal..........
Cycle #1.
D-bol at 20 mg/day.
Nandrolone at 300 mg/week.
Cycle #2.
D-bol at 20 mg/day.
Primo at 300 mg/week.
Cycle #3.
Anadrol at 25 mg/day.
Test at 200 mg/week.
.....some guys would add an additional compound, but a 2 prong stack was not uncommon, with one AAS being an injectable and one being an oral. Sure, some guys used more, but keep in mind that most guys we see today who use just 500 mg/week of Test cyp and 30 mg/day of D-bol will develop gyno without the concurrent use of a Serm or an AI.....so being that humans back then did not respond any different than they do today, it kind of explains itself and shows that most guys were NOT using even those doses...which would be considered "beginner" cycles by today's standards.
If this weren't the case, we would've been seeing many BB'rs with gyno on the Olympia stage back in the 60's and 70's. In addtion, we would have seen a lot more acne and oily skin.
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Yeah there were a few well known guys back in the day who had them. 70s and prior. I remember as a kid reading the mags and a few had them but most did not. Now every single bb had or had them n has had them cut out. Look at arnie, draper, grimek, all of them. No BTs. So common back then I can remember some. Metz I think had them. Could be wrong. A pro from Europe. England maybe had big ones. But most all were smooth chests.
tony emmott had them mags explained it this way... emmott appeared to have bruised his pec...
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They used aromatizing drug just like today (test, D-bol)...and progestagenic drugs like Nandrolone, as well as drugs like Anadrol which have inherent estrogenic activity, but don't aromatize. However, the doses were far lower.
That is the ONLY reason there was a relative lack of gyno.
Back then, no one considered running a gram of test (if they did, it was very rare)...that would have been crazy. Even 500 mg/week back then was a big ass dose of test with the majority using less than that. D-bol in the 20 mg/day range was common (or less), with some BB'rs pushing it a little.
Nandrolone in doses of 200-300 mg/week was considered a normal dose....with 300 mg/week being on the higher end. I doubt anyone used 500 mg/week. Primo was used around similar doses, but Primo does not cause gyno....it was said Arnold liked Primo later on in his career...which would explain some of the increased dryness he achieved later on in his reign.
Although there is no one cycle that fits all, what you see below would've have been considered normal..........
Cycle #1.
D-bol at 20 mg/day.
Nandrolone at 300 mg/week.
Cycle #2.
D-bol at 20 mg/day.
Primo at 300 mg/week.
Cycle #3.
Anadrol at 25 mg/day.
Test at 200 mg/week.
.....some guys would add an additional compound, but a 2 prong stack was not uncommon, with one AAS being an injectable and one being an oral. Sure, some guys used more, but keep in mind that most guys we see today who use just 500 mg/week of Test cyp and 30 mg/day of D-bol will develop gyno without the concurrent use of a Serm or an AI.....so being that humans back then did not respond any different than they do today, it kind of explains itself and shows that most guys were NOT using even those doses...which would be considered "beginner" cycles by today's standards.
If this weren't the case, we would've been seeing many BB'rs with gyno on the Olympia stage back in the 60's and 70's. In addtion, we would have seen a lot more acne and oily skin.
why would u waste time to write this bullshit out? 20mgs of dbol lol
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roger walker had em too.
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In my case,I first started out in the 70`s with orals...........of course,I xcycled on and off.
The most I used and it was quite a bit for contests,was maybe 2 grams,but I would peak at this amount over time as the contest neared,stay on this highest of dosages for a couple three weeks as the contest got nearer,then would cycle back down slowly,then go off for long periods of time generally but I would often cruise not that we called it cruising,we called it clean! LOL :D
In essence again in my case,I never stayed on the higher dosages for long periods and these were mostly done since I tuned 39-40,not when I was younger battling my addictions off and on for decades.
Key point,I never considered my use as being abuse...........abusers who stay on huge cycles of tons of esoterics stupid bullshit cycles in pursuit of a card are just mostly wasting their time and usually end up with gyno and in some cases,a whole lot more.
Plus I ate like a fucking monk and trained balls out at every session for years and had tunnelvision pre-contest which is when I used the most gear,(still nowhere near considered exhorbatant by the standards.
Moral..............be conservative unless you actull have the potential to become a pro,something I relized would never be in the cards for me.
I consider myself a journey man and loved the challenge of forcing myself by diet and insane training to reach my personal peak condition.
I did OK for a guy who was pronounced dead 3 times and didn`t start my most serious comeback until I moved to Florida at age 39.
67 trophies later,I won one Over-40 Mr. Massachusettes title as I was the only competitor,though I had no idea who would show up.
Moderation and common sense is key,and yes,I never used PCT in over 35 or more years of drug use.
Baby dosages then and minute dosages by todays standards.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS A PCT?
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I think pros in the past would come off when they got bad sides.
Today's geniuses think they can "push through" and take random drug XYZ to counter the negative side effects.
Of course, they heard this from an anonymous 140 pound teenager online so it must have something to it.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS A PCT?
I wouldn`t have a clue! :D
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>:( I demand answers.
Wes, how are you sir? Hope you're well.
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so Franco trained for 2 decades won multiple shows including his first Olympia then wtf happened in '81?? I don't get it.....today at even a regional BB event almost 50% of competitors have gyno and its getting worse it seems....are the UG drugs that piss poor quality??
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::) ::) ::) ::)
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>:( I demand answers.
Wes, how are you sir? Hope you're well.
Doing quite well Tom,and right back at ya` my friend!! ;)
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pct= post cycle therapy. I fucking found it!
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In my case,I first started out in the 70`s with orals...........of course,I xcycled on and off.
The most I used and it was quite a bit for contests,was maybe 2 grams,but I would peak at this amount over time as the contest neared,stay on this highest of dosages for a couple three weeks as the contest got nearer,then would cycle back down slowly,then go off for long periods of time generally but I would often cruise not that we called it cruising,we called it clean! LOL :D
In essence again in my case,I never stayed on the higher dosages for long periods and these were mostly done since I tuned 39-40,not when I was younger battling my addictions off and on for decades.
Key point,I never considered my use as being abuse...........abusers who stay on huge cycles of tons of esoterics stupid bullshit cycles in pursuit of a card are just mostly wasting their time and usually end up with gyno and in some cases,a whole lot more.
Plus I ate like a fucking monk and trained balls out at every session for years and had tunnelvision pre-contest which is when I used the most gear,(still nowhere near considered exhorbatant by the standards.
Moral..............be conservative unless you actull have the potential to become a pro,something I relized would never be in the cards for me.
I consider myself a journey man and loved the challenge of forcing myself by diet and insane training to reach my personal peak condition.
I did OK for a guy who was pronounced dead 3 times and didn`t start my most serious comeback until I moved to Florida at age 39.
67 trophies later,I won one Over-40 Mr. Massachusettes title as I was the only competitor,though I had no idea who would show up.
Moderation and common sense is key,and yes,I never used PCT in over 35 or more years of drug use.
Baby dosages then and minute dosages by todays standards.
is this after or before you were a drugg addict/ acohlic type dude?
eating like a monk while drinking booze daily. Great bodybuilder here dudes
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is this after or before you were a drugg addict/ acohlic type dude?
eating like a monk while drinking booze daily. Great bodybuilder here dudes
I thought I clarified that.......where`s your reading comprehension?
Oh yea,blow me you useless piece of shit gimmick.
Lets` see your physique.........right now at 60 I`d piss on you.
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I always read about needing to start with a test base for any cycle. So is it not necessary after all?
this past spring i ran tren ace solo without test, or anything else for that matter, and it was a big mistake as i felt like shit
so after about six weeks of this nonsense i added test prop back into the mix and then i felt much better
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pct= post cycle therapy. I fucking found it!
haha. I forgot to answer
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this past spring i ran tren ace solo without test, or anything else for that matter, and it was a big mistake as i felt like shit
so after about six weeks of this nonsense i added test prop back into the mix and then i felt much better
I was doing a few contests in a row once and ran out of stuff,all I had left was Tren.................... .....felt terrible rage and just shitty in general.
You have to learn how to control Tren mentally................ kind of like talking yourself down in a way when things get tense.
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I was doing a few contests in a row once and ran out of stuff,all I had left was Tren.................... .....felt terrible rage and just shitty in general.
You have to learn how to control Tren mentally................ kind of like talking yourself down in a way when things get tense.
that's what happened with me pretty much as i lost my source and was out of everything except tren
the thing about test is that it's a mood enhancer IME so i think it's needed to keep moods on an even keel within a cycle, but i've read that dbol does the same and that it can be a test replacement in a cycle, but test is better coz you don't have to worry about liver issues with it like you do with dbol
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Yup,I always include Test in my cycles........gives you a feeling of well being most of the time anyway.
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