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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Never1AShow on October 20, 2015, 07:46:04 AM
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It used to be that when a guy started lifting it took many years to discover it was all based on lies. Years of training and learning about protein powder, super sets, reading magazines, learning the history and the ropes, building something of a foundation. Unless you happened to know someone who clued you in early to the game that all the supplements are lies and its all just steroids (which was probably unfortunate becuase youd lose the chance to develop a base and some fire).
How long does it take the average guy who walks into a gym for the first time today? Now that information is available on the Internet for free, is it a year? a couple of months? Is it better or worse to know so early that the ace was always up the sleeve, the rabbit was always in the hat and there is no magic?
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It used to be that when a guy started lifting it took many years to discover it was all based on lies. Years of training and learning about protein powder, super sets, reading magazines, learning the history and the ropes, building something of a foundation. Unless you happened to know someone who clued you in early to the game that all the supplements are lies and its all just steroids (which was probably unfortunate becuase youd lose the chance to develop a base and some fire).
How long does it take the average guy who walks into a gym for the first time today? Now that information is available on the Internet for free, is it a year? a couple of months? Is it better or worse to know so early that the ace was always up the sleeve, the rabbit was always in the hat and there is no magic?
I'd say for the most part, if they're into the sport and know that they need to do more muscles than biceps, chest and abs...Then they essentially know before they even step foot in a gym...All the same places that give you access to what's needed to create a better physique in training, are the same places that have lots of steroid info...Even the natural youtube channels top comments have to do with steroids and how the naturals are liars...But i WILL SAY THIS: it takes them EVEN LONGER now to realize that supplements don't mean shit....Because there are so many new ones...They think supplements AND gear are the secret...Everyone wants to hop on "something" when they just start lifting because their diet and training routine don't give them any results...All they need is to tweak that and they'll grow like a weed...But they're convinced they need something else...Something to motivate them even...So they start with the proteins, creatines from GNC...Then they blow money...Blow money...And then they look online to find better and cheaper protein powders because they think it will get them to that next level...They are introduced to new protein companies...New sponsored athletes...They look up the athletes....They find their youtube channels...They look up youtube taste testing for those proteins they wanna buy...Run by a fitness channel testing them...They check out more of that persons videos because they're funny...Then they see these athletes taking BCAA and PWO...Then guess what? THEY TAKE BCAA AND PWO...Now they blow more money...More money...Get a little more familiar with weights...Get confident...Now they accommodate their diet with further watching these youtube channels...They see top comments about steroids...They stumble upon an online board...They stumble upon gh15...They talk to someone in the gym who is bigger than them and has a bostin loyd-like attitude and asks what the secret is...They have friends on the football team who do it...They want faster results...Now they take steroids, stack everything together....Then they run out of BCAA and decide not to buy more, or they don't have any money left cuz they spent it on the cycle....And they see they don't lose any gains..THey don't notice any difference...They stop buying BCAA and realize it's a marketing scam...They see their body transform with the AAS in a short period of time more than it EVER transformed with BCAA...They hear on their boarding that BCAA is trash...Then it all makes sense to them when they watch the sponsored athletes on youtube...They laugh because they know it's the gear that makes these "natural athletes" that big...Now they drop all the hydroxycuts, the creatines etc...They spend MORE MONEY ON GEAR...And get MORE RESULTS....Then etc etc.....Then they're the man of their town...They pass down their info to everyone around there who asks them how their physique changed...It's an ongoing cycle........
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It takes the same amount of time because human behavior hasn't changed.
It's kinda like the big massive mistakes men make by dating certain people, for example almost 100% of the time if you date a junkie, single mom, stripper etc things will end up in a massive disaster. The information and warnings are out there all over today yet more than ever people feel they know better.
How about the dangers of smoking? More warnings and info about the topic than ever before, the crackhead know it all will contiue to smoke, after all he knows someone that is 180 years old that smoked 16 packs a day since they were 9.
Bodybuilding is same BS. So much good honest info out there, the real info is not what people want to hear just like the guy refuses to hear that as nice as that strippers ass is, dating her seriously will lead to hell. He feels the stripper he met is the exceptions o the rule.
So yea, to make quality gains you must eat real meals not drink shakes, you must train properly and consistently, the quick 7 minute programs won't do much for ya.
As far as drugs go, well I don't advocate it, however every beginner is convinced that dbol and creatine is all one needs, after all who wants to hear about needles and expensive chemicals.
Sorry for going on and on, however, the first step to becoming sane is to realize how we are pre-programmed to be completely insane.
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Guys used to inject in plain sight in my gym, so no time for lies. I pondered the idea of going ON for the first three years or so, than I resisted and decided to not touch the shit for as long as possible, just continued to train hard for many more years.
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I had no issue with all the lies until I (idiotically) decided to compete.
Training became a chore.
The diet was awful.
Hours of cardio were boring.
And the whole "lifestyle" and "experience" wasn't worth the torture to my body and relationships around me.
I did get fucking shredded though.
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People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight. I mean, a history professor doesn't get his PhD and begin to teach until he fully develops an understanding of his topic. Similarly, someone who wants to begin to lift weights should not actually begin to lift weights until they understand the historical developments of bodybuilding (this will take at least 1 year). After such study is complete, one should enter a gym to lift weights.
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People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight.
lol good luck with that. Never gonna happen. Football players, wrestlers, baseball players, ATHLETES don't have TIME to fucking study a year to lift weights that are sitting right in front of them with former college athletes as coaches who can teach them fine...
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lol good luck with that. Never gonna happen. Football players, wrestlers, baseball players, ATHLETES don't have TIME to fucking study a year to lift weights that are sitting right in front of them with former college athletes as coaches who can teach them fine...
Job of the parents
True GetBiggers will teach their offspring the great legacy of bodybuilding
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lol good luck with that. Never gonna happen. Football players, wrestlers, baseball players, ATHLETES don't have TIME to fucking study a year to lift weights that are sitting right in front of them with former college athletes as coaches who can teach them fine...
Its best if the new gym goer finds a skilled bodybuilder/trainer to study under for at least 1 year. This may include learning the historical elements of bodybuilding (how it evolved), key figures in the industry, and the cultural implications of bodybuilding in relation to the larger community. After this has been obtained, one can rightfully step into the gym with the idea of beginning to lift weights.
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I grew up with York weights and benches in my house. (Dad's)
Was told about strength drugs when I first started going to YMCA weight room at age 12/13 with Dad and Uncle.
Was also told it was mainly "for the gay's", so I never did the bodybuilding drugs or had any desire to compete.
Just enjoyed and still enjoying lifting, also enjoy not being a slave to the needle. (Nothing against those who use BTW, I just never had the desire).
With the internet these days, kids can figure it out pretty quickly that its all drugs, especially the one's who follow these YouTube tools...
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how about just exercise and good nutrition habits and not worryingabout looking better than some other dudes.
If someone wants to take juice or not, who cares but there is one thing for sure....
99.9% of people who go on gear will never even look close to anything resembling a decent bodybuilder, let alone physique dude.
In fact most of the 99.9% who do use don't even look like they are on gear. Gyms are full of 160lbs behemoths who are stuck at 225lbs bench presses with shit form
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People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding.
A thorough review of Hulkotron's post history will arm any potential iron warrior with all the ammo he needs.
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A lot of guys have great potential to get a nice strong buildbody, but most of them suckers are to lazy!
99% of the majority dosent want to look like a bloated retard bodybuilder, they just want to have abs be slim and fit. U can achieve that without drugs!
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People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight. I mean, a history professor doesn't get his PhD and begin to teach until he fully develops an understanding of his topic. Similarly, someone who wants to begin to lift weights should not actually begin to lift weights until they understand the historical developments of bodybuilding (this will take at least 1 year). After such study is complete, one should enter a gym to lift weights.
I agree. Most people who go to the gym for the first time want to get big and strong and it takes scientific approach to get to that goal of being big and strong. By scientific I don't mean drugs, but how and what to do with or without drugs.
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People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight. I mean, a history professor doesn't get his PhD and begin to teach until he fully develops an understanding of his topic. Similarly, someone who wants to begin to lift weights should not actually begin to lift weights until they understand the historical developments of bodybuilding (this will take at least 1 year). After such study is complete, one should enter a gym to lift weights.
+1
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Some remarkably long posts in this thread
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When I was 15 I bought NitroTech after seeing the adds with Jay Cutler in Flex Magazine and thought I was gonna get big as fuark. Then I stumbled onto getbig about 8 years ago at 16 and learnt the truth.
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A thorough review of Hulkotron's post history will arm any potential iron warrior with all the ammo he needs.
I am scared that Hulkotron may offer them more than just a historical overview of bodybuilding, if you know what I mean.
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I agree. Most people who go to the gym for the first time want to get big and strong and it takes scientific approach to get to that goal of being big and strong. By scientific I don't mean drugs, but how and what to do with or without drugs.
One must understand the evolution of bodybuilding, starting from the first schmoe to the 21st century schmoe.
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+1
AJ, due to your success in and out of the weight room, I will be referring some 21 year olds to you for tutelage. Remember, no lifting weights. Only scholarly pursuits. ::)
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I grew up with York weights and benches in my house. (Dad's)
Was told about strength drugs when I first started going to YMCA weight room at age 12/13 with Dad and Uncle.
Was also told it was mainly "for the gay's", so I never did the bodybuilding drugs or had any desire to compete.
Just enjoyed and still enjoying lifting, also enjoy not being a slave to the needle. (Nothing against those who use BTW, I just never had the desire).
With the internet these days, kids can figure it out pretty quickly that its all drugs, especially the one's who follow these YouTube tools...
The internet has made it worse. Yes we were fed lies by magazines but at least my generation and older were weaned on train hard lift heavy and recover. I know a lot of kids who have only lifted on juice which is alien to me.
They missed the easy 6 to 10kg of natural gains and basic grounding in lifting. How many kids now know about beyond brawn and progressive overload? Hence you see dickheads doing everything but work hard on basics in gym and look like shit as a result.
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I think the knowledge of steroids and our culture, has the effect of more abusers at a younger age.
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Lots of guys on drugs who look liek shit. Not much lies... quality takes time, consistency. It shows in golden era physiques.
All these YT juiced from day one clowns. Yet... very few ones can touch this (and dude was on a gear that was more simple! Probably on a lot less gear either. And you can see he's not a walkign water balloon, blown out from within in a completely artificial way. It just shows. a real fukkin muscle right here):
(http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s339/daseonesgk/Serge_NUBRET_174.jpg)
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Lots of guys on drugs who look liek shit. Not much lies... quality takes time, consistency. It shows in golden era physiques.
All these YT juiced from day one clowns. Yet... very few ones can touch this (and dude was on a gear that was more simple! Probably on a lot less gear either. And you can see he's not a walkign water balloon, blown out from within in a completely artificial way. It just shows. a real fukkin muscle right here):
(http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s339/daseonesgk/Serge_NUBRET_174.jpg)
and he didn't win shit, racist schmoe bastards!!
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People shouldn't start lifting weights until they know the history of bodybuilding. A new gym goer should spend at least 1 year fully developing an understanding of the history of bodybuilding before actually lifting a weight. I mean, a history professor doesn't get his PhD and begin to teach until he fully develops an understanding of his topic. Similarly, someone who wants to begin to lift weights should not actually begin to lift weights until they understand the historical developments of bodybuilding (this will take at least 1 year). After such study is complete, one should enter a gym to lift weights.
This is awesome! How far back? Milo of Crete hoisting a calf on his shoulders every day or something more modern like the first Mr. Olympia?
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When I was 15 I bought NitroTech after seeing the adds with Jay Cutler in Flex Magazine and thought I was gonna get big as fuark. Then I stumbled onto getbig about 8 years ago at 16 and learnt the truth.
What you learnt was how to find fellow crybabies who complain about being duped.
Common sense would tell you that these dudes were fairly big before they touched Nitro-Tech and had been training for at least a decade.
It's no different than 20 years ago, when bodybuilders sang the praises of Met-Rx. Of course, upon further reading, you learn they're drinking the stuff like Kool-Aid (6-8 servings a day), on top of the ungodly amounts of regular food they eat.
Steroids or no steroids, the average bloke ain't getting big without heavy training, plenty of rest, and enough food to feed a family of 4 (with leftovers). Rather than face that reality, we get people who whine about it being "all drugs".
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No, this is not right. Common sense wouldn't tell you anything prior to the internet. Why would you think it would be drugs, when you hadn't even heard of them? Worse, all of the magazines avoided it like the plague pretty much, at least before the late 80s.
It was as if there was this huge conspiracy amongst cake bakers to never mention sugar and all of the cookbooks leaving out sugar and there being no sugar in stores or other products containing sugar.
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No, this is not right. Common sense wouldn't tell you anything prior to the internet. Why would you think it would be drugs, when you hadn't even heard of them? Worse, all of the magazines avoided it like the plague pretty much, at least before the late 80s.
Hardly! People would look at muscle magazines and "steroids" would be the first thing to come out their mouths. That happened when they saw my magazines, and I started training in the 80s, before the Internet was even a thought in folks' head.
Again, steroids or no steroids, the training, rest, and diet must be on point or you go nowhere.
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The problem you have is one kind of broscience is replaced with the latest nonsense in most gyms and even online.
Think about it, even the top pros have gurus to help them. What does this tell us? Things get complicated when you
mess with substances. Everyone 'knows' that big muscles = steroids.
Supplements are useful for their calorie content and little else. Bodybuilders ingest way too much protein. Shows you
that old beliefs persist and some never die probably because the supplement companies and magazines have a vested
interest for those lies to persist.
Guys think about steroids as soon as their gains stop or if a mate gets bigger than them!
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The problem you have is one kind of broscience is replaced with the latest nonsense in most gyms and even online.
Think about it, even the top pros have gurus to help them. What does this tell us? Things get complicated when you
mess with substances. Everyone 'knows' that big muscles = steroids.
Supplements are useful for their calorie content and little else. Bodybuilders ingest way too much protein. Shows you
that old beliefs persist and some never die probably because the supplement companies and magazines have a vested
interest for those lies to persist.
Guys think about steroids as soon as their gains stop or if a mate gets bigger than them!
Your nonsense assertions are immaterial since you are a proven liar and imbecile. Sorry. [I am an eminent scientist.]
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Hardly! People would look at muscle magazines and "steroids" would be the first thing to come out their mouths. That happened when they saw my magazines, and I started training in the 80s, before the Internet was even a thought in folks' head.
Again, steroids or no steroids, the training, rest, and diet must be on point or you go nowhere.
Perhaps in some places, but this was far from my experience in a similar timeframe. Kids in gyms did not automatically assume you could not get big without steroids. They were much, much more underground than now. We're people more naive? Yes, absolutely
Best analogy I can think of is to homosexuality. It was far from mainstream or on anyone's mind. I knew plenty of people that did not know that Freddy Mercury or the Village People or George Michael or Boy George were gay. Seriously, people watching the Wake Me Up Before You Go Go video from Wham with George Michael did not know he was gay.
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And how does the title of my thread get changed? It's about first discovering the lies, not about whether it is all steroids.
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Perhaps in some places, but this was far from my experience in a similar timeframe. Kids in gyms did not automatically assume you could not get big without steroids. They were much, much more underground than now. We're people more naive? Yes, absolutely
Best analogy I can think of is to homosexuality. It was far from mainstream or on anyone's mind. I knew plenty of people that did not know that Freddy Mercury or the Village People or George Michael or Boy George were gay. Seriously, people watching the Wake Me Up Before You Go Go video from Wham with George Michael did not know he was gay.
Please say you're joking. Those three being gay ( or at least, suspected of such) was among the WORST kept secrets in entertainment. Michael with Wham was seriously suspect. When he went solo, he got a major makeover (cut his hair, ditch the guy shorts, grew a beard, and submerged himself in supermodels. Not to mention that scandalous (by 80s standards, at least) "I Want Your Sex" video.
And Boy George? Come on! He was as fruity as you could get.
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And how does the title of my thread get changed? It's about first discovering the lies, not about whether it is all steroids.
"It's all just steroids" is part of your title.
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The problem you have is one kind of broscience is replaced with the latest nonsense in most gyms and even online.
Think about it, even the top pros have gurus to help them. What does this tell us? Things get complicated when you
mess with substances. Everyone 'knows' that big muscles = steroids.
Supplements are useful for their calorie content and little else. Bodybuilders ingest way too much protein. Shows you
that old beliefs persist and some never die probably because the supplement companies and magazines have a vested
interest for those lies to persist.
Guys think about steroids as soon as their gains stop or if a mate gets bigger than them!
Shut up. Your hypothesis of hypertrophy has never been proven by any sort of evidence and your shitty bicep supination machine is a piece of crap.
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Shut up. Your hypothesis of hypertrophy has never been proven by any sort of evidence and your shitty bicep supination machine is a piece of crap.
I thought you and Vince were on the same side. His beliefs are identical to yours.
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Lots of guys on drugs who look liek shit. Not much lies... quality takes time, consistency. It shows in golden era physiques.
All these YT juiced from day one clowns. Yet... very few ones can touch this (and dude was on a gear that was more simple! Probably on a lot less gear either. And you can see he's not a walkign water balloon, blown out from within in a completely artificial way. It just shows. a real fukkin muscle right here):
(http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s339/daseonesgk/Serge_NUBRET_174.jpg)
i wouldn't say they look like shit man, it's more like they look ok or not too bad
still can't believe that Nubret is under two bills there at six foot tall
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I thought you and Vince were on the same side. His beliefs are identical to yours.
Nothing identical about our beliefs and thank goodness for that. I doubt many here can come up with a coherent, valid theory about anything let alone hypertrophy.
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It used to be that when a guy started lifting it took many years to discover it was all based on lies. Years of training and learning about protein powder, super sets, reading magazines, learning the history and the ropes, building something of a foundation. Unless you happened to know someone who clued you in early to the game that all the supplements are lies and its all just steroids (which was probably unfortunate becuase youd lose the chance to develop a base and some fire).
How long does it take the average guy who walks into a gym for the first time today? Now that information is available on the Internet for free, is it a year? a couple of months? Is it better or worse to know so early that the ace was always up the sleeve, the rabbit was always in the hat and there is no magic?
I realised how bodybuilding is a fraud too late. Reading those 90's flex now makes me laugh, but with a lot of regret.
All that time spent in gym, my teenage futile hope.
If i had to start all over again = training 2/3 time a week full body style with basic (bench squat chin etc), simple diet without supp, and enjoying life outside the gym.
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still can't believe that Nubret is under two bills there at six foot tall
That's how it is when muscle is earned by a hard work and some steroids.
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I don't even know what SF1900 looks like, but I'd much rather look like him than the biceps supinator master beast rider.
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The problem with steroids is that they work too well.
It's not as though you can't make natural gains, but, they seem like nothing compared to those made by heavy steroid users.
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The problem with steroids is that they work too well.
It's not as though you can't make natural gains, but, they seem like nothing compared to those made by heavy steroid users.
Indeed. The difference is like a mouse and a tasmanian devil. It's also irritating to me that some users in getbig claim that the ammount of test they inject only replaces their naturally low test levels and hence they think it's no differend than a guy who has normal levels of test, oh brother ::)
the fact is, if you even use "small" ammounts of test, percentage wise it's humongous difference to being a full natty brah
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I remember stumbling across a British Dragon website when I was in college. That's how it all started.
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Plenty of impulsive youngsters who start juicing in their first 1-2 years of 'training'.
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Please say you're joking. Those three being gay ( or at least, suspected of such) was among the WORST kept secrets in entertainments. Michael with a Wham was seriously suspect. When he went solo, he got a major makeover (cut his hair, ditch the guy shorts, grew a beard, and submearced himself in supermodels. Not to mention that scandalous (by 80s standards, at least) "I Want Your Sex" video.
And Boy George? Come on! He was as fruity as you could get.
NEVER once in 1985 did I want to cut off a pair of knit gloves /where all white and paint 80's glow makeup/lipstick on my face and glow in the dark with puffed hair and swaying like George Michael 'nothing straight about that video'.at all...
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I picked up my first flex magazine when i was in college and sick as a dog for a few days and read it cover to cover and i remeber i tore a page out of shawn ray and i actually believed that they must be naturarl because they must do steroid testings etc.
I was natural for many years simply becaue i did not have the connections or knowledge of aas, but i sure wasted plenty of money on things like designer protein, cell tech, nitro tech, mesotech bars, metrex bars, gnc creatine. my first cycle was 100 pink thailand d bols that i paid 100 bucks for and i thought i was getting a sweet deal ::) You live and you learn
I also believe it was muscle mag that used to have those steroid sections in them along with the hot fitness models so that was pretty much my go to for info on AAS . I couldnt afford a computer back then
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"It's all just steroids" is part of your title.
Can you read? Someone changed my original title. This was NOT part of mine.
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Please say you're joking. Those three being gay ( or at least, suspected of such) was among the WORST kept secrets in entertainments. Michael with a Wham was seriously suspect. When he went solo, he got a major makeover (cut his hair, ditch the guy shorts, grew a beard, and submearced himself in supermodels. Not to mention that scandalous (by 80s standards, at least) "I Want Your Sex" video.
And Boy George? Come on! He was as fruity as you could get.
You admit it yourself, "or at least suspected". See today it is obvious, back then not so much.
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Nothing identical about our beliefs and thank goodness for that. I doubt many here can come up with a coherent, valid theory about anything let alone hypertrophy.
You don't have a theory, dingus. You have a hypothesis.
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You don't have a theory, dingus. You have a hypothesis.
Vince is like...
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Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.
Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.
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Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.
Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.
You sound upset. If you wanna talk about it, pm me.
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Perhaps in some places, but this was far from my experience in a similar timeframe. Kids in gyms did not automatically assume you could not get big without steroids. They were much, much more underground than now. We're people more naive? Yes, absolutely
Best analogy I can think of is to homosexuality. It was far from mainstream or on anyone's mind. I knew plenty of people that did not know that Freddy Mercury or the Village People or George Michael or Boy George were gay. Seriously, people watching the Wake Me Up Before You Go Go video from Wham with George Michael did not know he was gay.
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Im pretty often suprised by the kids in the gym age 16-25. How much they know, train serious, motivated and are against steorids.
A lot of kids are against roids, like myself when I was a teen. Thought everyone on roids was a loosers. They got a pretty negative reputation. Most kids dosent want drugs and insted, they bust their ass off to get the result! Just like me and all other kids did in their 20ies!
Roided guys get picked on in normal gyms, people dont like them! People talk shit behind their backs. They are breaking the law, they are abusers, drug addics, weak mind people, pretty much 99% of normal people dosent like them and respekt them. So they have to go to some undergorundgym and find their needle friends somewhere else!
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Im pretty often suprised by the kids in the gym age 16-25. How much they know, train serious, motivated and are against steorids.
A lot of kids are against roids, like myself when I was a teen. Thought everyone on roids was a loosers. They got a pretty negative reputation. Most kids dosent want drugs and insted, they bust their ass off to get the result! Just like me and all other kids did in their 20ies!
Roided guys get picked on in normal gyms, people dont like them! People talk shit behind their backs. They are breaking the law, they are abusers, drug addics, weak mind people, pretty much 99% of normal people dosent like them and respekt them. So they have to go to some undergorundgym and find their needle friends somewhere else!
why post a picture of yourself?
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You admit it yourself, "or at least suspected". See today it is obvious, back then not so much.
I knew Boy George was gay (who didn't?). Same with Mercury. Michael was suspect with Wham. She he went solo, he got the big makeover to detract from his suspected gayness, with supermodels in many of his videos (in "Freedom", he isn't even in it at all, just models lip-synching to his song).
And don't get me started on Frankie Goes to Hollywood.
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I knew Boy George was gay (who didn't?). Same with Mercury. Michael was suspect with Wham. She he went solo, he got the big makeover to detract from his suspected gayness, with supermodels in many of his videos (in "Freedom", he isn't even in it at all, just models lip-synching to his song).
And don't get me started on Frankie Goes to Hollywood.
Relax, don't do it .... ;)
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Im pretty often suprised by the kids in the gym age 16-25. How much they know, train serious, motivated and are against steorids.
A lot of kids are against roids, like myself when I was a teen. Thought everyone on roids was a loosers. They got a pretty negative reputation. Most kids dosent want drugs and insted, they bust their ass off to get the result! Just like me and all other kids did in their 20ies!
Roided guys get picked on in normal gyms, people dont like them! People talk shit behind their backs. They are breaking the law, they are abusers, drug addics, weak mind people, pretty much 99% of normal people dosent like them and respekt them. So they have to go to some undergorundgym and find their needle friends somewhere else!
lol what the fuck are you talking about, gyms like planet fitness? Ya sure everyone makes fun of the road users while they eat their pizza on their way out of their workout and them trying to get abs but doing ab circuit with jelly rolls on their stomach...They all wish they were us...When you have a half decent looking 20 something male with ripped, lean 18 inch arms and spider veins everywhere and round delts with striations wearing a tank top and doing his workouts, keeping to himself...You better believe EVERYONE and their MAMA is looking at him in awe..They wanna be him and they WILL ask him what his workout is...They'll ask him what he eats, what type of workout he does, why he looks like that...They will all RISK THEIR LIVES to look like him...I'm willing to bet you they'd do anything when they see all the women catching themselves looking at him and then he notices but doesn't look back...ANd girls try to keep bending over to get his attention and do outrageous things....
No woman is going to prefer a 23 year old natural that looks like a twig with a shirt on doing a serious workout over a shredded 23 year told that's 5'11" 200 lbs doing the same workouts...Aesthetic and lean but MUSCULAR is the name of the game...If you have those three everyone is at your fingertips...Everyone tells you that you look good while you do bicep curls..People watch you work out and you see them doing the same shit 5 minutes later...You don't know any of what you're talking about...You're putting in hard work and eating clean food forever for MINIMAL results...You're the one on the short edge of the stick here fella
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Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.
Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.
1) That's not a myth or gospel. It's a guideline, a starting point. You use it for a while. If you need more protein, you go up; if you need less, you go down.
2) You try eating 4000-5000 calories in just three meals, especially if you're skinny.
3) Some do; some don't. Jay Cutler was known for weighing nearly everything he ate to the ounce. Branch Warren did that earlier in his career. Now he wings it, more or less.
4) Again, some do; some don't. Those that go nuts tend to burn out.
5) The science is empirical, aka trial and error. There are multiple body types and metabolisms. So what turns one guy into a suckling pig might put muscle on another guy. Training to failure might keep one guy perpetually sore but help another guy make great gains.
6) Or most have regular jobs. Ronnie was a cop for most of his bodybuilding career, including three of his Olympia wins.
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Fair points. And I was generalizing.
I still don't think Ronnie did all his regular police work during his preps for the Olympia. Like, seriously don't believe it.
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I had no issue with all the lies until I (idiotically) decided to compete.
Training became a chore.
The diet was awful.
Hours of cardio were boring.
And the whole "lifestyle" and "experience" wasn't worth the torture to my body and relationships around me.
I did get fucking shredded though.
LOL! solid reply.
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2) You try eating 4000-5000 calories in just three meals, especially if you're skinny.
I eat near 4000 daily with three meals and a snack.
6) Or most have regular jobs. Ronnie was a cop for most of his bodybuilding career, including three of his Olympia wins.
How many don't have regular jobs? I believe many don't.
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Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.
Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.
Brutal truth..
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I can recall Titus on a TV show claiming pro bodybuilding was tested "just like in the Olympics."
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I learned early in the late 70's and early 80's the big secret. I just saw gym zeros go to heroes in nothing flat taking steroids. Back then the secret wasn't as well known among non lifters as it is now. Now I see roided up guys on the boardwalk by the beach and people making fun of them talking about steroids.
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Im pretty often suprised by the kids in the gym age 16-25. How much they know, train serious, motivated and are against steorids.
A lot of kids are against roids, like myself when I was a teen. Thought everyone on roids was a loosers. They got a pretty negative reputation. Most kids dosent want drugs and insted, they bust their ass off to get the result! Just like me and all other kids did in their 20ies!
Roided guys get picked on in normal gyms, people dont like them! People talk shit behind their backs. They are breaking the law, they are abusers, drug addics, weak mind people, pretty much 99% of normal people dosent like them and respekt them. So they have to go to some undergorundgym and find their needle friends somewhere else!
You're an absolute idiot. More people are on the gas now than ever, and this includes high schools kids that you claim are so against it. Why did you post that pic? You have no muscle, even for a natural.
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Give him a break, there aren't many shots on the Internet of a praying mantis from behind.
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Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.
Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.
great post
the only point i don't completely agree with is point 4, otherwise the rest of your points are spot fucking on bro
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great post
the only point i don't completely agree with is point 4, otherwise the rest of your points are spot fucking on bro
Wait, do you agree with his disagreeing with these myths or do you agree with the myths?
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Not only did I realize the lies of so many so-called natural competitors, I also became aware of various myths.
Bodybuilding myths
1) You need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight to grow. Truth: You can grow with less and eat more carbs and fat.
2) You need to eat five to six meals per day to stoke the metabolic furnace and keep the body in an anabolic state. Truth: This does nothing to stoke the metabolic furnace, and the body does not "go catabolic" if a person is not fed for a few hours, or even a DAY!
3) Two hundred and fifty to 300 pound drug boats eat clean everyday and only reserve one meal per week for a "cheat" or dirty meal and they weight everyday's worth of food down to the last morsel and grain. Truth: Try getting to 300 pounds eating "clean" all day.
4) The best in the world use the least drugs because they have the genetics to get by with less. Truth: Yeah, sure. Those who are gunning to be the best in the world are going to leave crucial items or any edge out of the picture at all. Get the hell out of here! The best in bodybuilding or whatever are doing whatever they can to get ahead and make it to the top. Perhaps I am wrong in my thinking, but I still think Dorian and Priest are full of it with their "modest" doses, though I like both of them.
5) There's a science to lifting. Truth: Most people do the same shit with different layouts, whether it's upper-lower split, bodypart split, high volume, HIT-style, whatever. I remember the guys at Westside made it out like they were part of an elite training platoon, as if WSB was the NASA or Brookhaven Laboratory of powerlifting. Truth: The very best in powerlifting (Karwoski, Coan, Clark) had the most basic routines.
6) There's a "lifestyle". Truth: Most NPC and IFBB bodybuilders are broke and little more than guys who go to a gym, like everyone else, plus drugs.
Good post, mane.