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It's complex but this is what is. The muscle wasting from the legs, arms and butt are key symptoms, in addition to trunk growth. It can be reversed but bodybuilding lifestyle must be discontinued and muscle integrity can be restored.
I'll go into greater detail later. It's the long term drug use and the bodybuilding lifestyle that causes it. It's too much stress over a long period of time.
That is all.
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It's complex but this is what is. The muscle wasting from the legs, arms and butt are key symptoms, in addition to trunk growth. It can be reversed but bodybuilding lifestyle must be discontinued and muscle integrity can be restored.
I'll go into greater detail later. It's the long term drug use and the bodybuilding lifestyle that causes it. It's too much stress over a long period of time.
That is all.
good post
genuinely interested to read the full explanation
looks like wolf might be getting it
how come dexter hasn't
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So in that case it would appear there might be a Palumboism test then? https://www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the-adrenal-fatigue-quiz (https://www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the-adrenal-fatigue-quiz)
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So in that case it would appear there might be a Palumboism test then? https://www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the-adrenal-fatigue-quiz (https://www.adrenalfatigue.org/take-the-adrenal-fatigue-quiz)
Yes and no. This type of adrenal fatigue is induced in a way not normally seen. Via PEDs, weightlifting and copious amounts of foods for years on end.
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Too much reliance on T3 and fat burners
Not enough focus on anticatabolism
Too much activity, too much stress
Onset of muscular weakness leading to subpar weight training (more drugs to compensate, more stress on body)
Potentially exhausted anabolic processes (more steroids to compensate, more stress on body)
Insulin resistance spreading throughout body via long term abuse of rHGH and insulin
Heavily reduced nutrient uptake and absorption (increasing food intake and dosages of slin and rhgh to compensate compounding the insulin resistance)
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Too much reliance on T3 and fat burners
Not enough focus on anticatabolism
Too much activity, too much stress
Onset of muscular weakness leading to subpar weight training
Potentially exhausted anabolic processes
Insulin resistance spreading throughout body via long term abuse of rHGH and insulin
The key is too much stress. Bodybuilders are unique in their lifestyle and on the pro level, the drug use. severe adrenal fatigue leads to muscle wasting. particularly in the legs and buttocks. All what you said contributes to adrenal fatigue. Adrenal glands are stress glands. Adrenal fatigue puts you in a catabolic state.
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The key is too much stress. Bodybuilders are unique in their lifestyle and on the pro level, the drug use. severe adrenal fatigue leads to muscle wasting. particularly in the legs and buttocks. All what you said contributes to adrenal fatigue. Adrenal glands are stress glands. Adrenal fatigue puts you in a catabolic state.
Yep exactly
Was just exploring some of the stressors
A serious bodybuilder for the most part has accustomed their bodies to huge amounts of stress.
Sometimes somethings gotta give... Especially when continually raising the bar...
I think some bodybuilder's are going to be more susceptible to adrenal fatigue than others.
What I don't understand is that a bodybuilder especially a competitive one is so in tune with their bodies why they do not recognise burn out and act accordingly
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There is no such thing as adrenal fatigue
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Because no one knows why. They are wrong. They think it's just the drugs and receptor downgrade.
PalumboIsm is really two things
It's adrenal fatigue as mentioned. And the gut. The gut is a combo of visceral fat, organ growth and too much food. Poor abdominal control as well. The reason it's poor is because of the food and organ growth. The reason the abs blur is because of visceral fat.
As you can see with all this, it's never just one thing. It affects many other things and people look at the symptoms as the problems and not as symptoms.
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There is no such thing as adrenal fatigue
I have often read about adrenal fatigue as a fallacy.
Would you agree upon some of the contributory factors I listed earlier?
I think insulin resistance is playing a big role here.
What are your thoughts on the topic?
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Yep exactly
Was just exploring some of the stressors
A serious bodybuilder for the most part has accustomed their bodies to huge amounts of stress.
Sometimes somethings gotta give... Especially when continually raising the bar...
I think some bodybuilder's are going to be more susceptible to adrenal fatigue than others.
What I don't understand is that a bodybuilder especially a competitive one is so in tune with their bodies why they do not recognise burn out and act accordingly
Imagine a bodybuilder with his type of drive and maybe also "bigorexia" watching his arms and legs getting smaller and gut growing. What is his reaction? To take it easy for a while and take a break? No, he will be at it, even harder, trying to compensate for his fear of getting smaller. He will probably up both food, doses and workouts and put his body through hell.
Some are more susceptible than other but I think some can't stop. Even when they're in the hospital, they continue... countless examples.
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Oh oh! I think maybe I might be suffering from AF!
How can I tell if my adrenals are fatigued?
You may be experiencing adrenal fatigue if you regularly notice one or more of the following:*
- You feel tired for no reason.
- You have trouble getting up in the morning, even when you go to bed at a reasonable hour.
- You are feeling rundown or overwhelmed.
- You have difficulty bouncing back from stress or illness.
- You crave salty and sweet snacks.
- You feel more awake, alert and energetic after 6PM than you do all day
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There is no such thing as adrenal fatigue
Pardon me, non-Addisons. Whatever you want to call it. Many people live a lifestyle where their bodies are in a constantly stressed state whether it be from drugs, lack of nutrition, relationships, career etc. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you're walking around in a state of being as if you were being chased by a lion, over time your body will show the results of your stressed system. This is Adrenal fatigue or non-Addisons.
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Oh oh! I think maybe I might be suffering from AF!
How can I tell if my adrenals are fatigued?
- You may be experiencing adrenal fatigue if you regularly notice one or more of the following:*
You feel tired for no reason.
You have trouble getting up in the morning, even when you go to bed at a reasonable hour.
You are feeling rundown or overwhelmed.
You have difficulty bouncing back from stress or illness.
You crave salty and sweet snacks.
You feel more awake, alert and energetic after 6PM than you do all day
We get it. You don't believe it so you're making a mockery of it. Ha ha funny. Take the most poorly written thing you can find and us it as an example to discredit what it is you don't agree with it. You sneaky guy.
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The people who have to wake up with a pot of coffee and no food until the evening.
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Too much reliance on T3 and fat burners
Not enough focus on anticatabolism
Too much activity, too much stress
Onset of muscular weakness leading to subpar weight training (more drugs to compensate, more stress on body)
Potentially exhausted anabolic processes (more steroids to compensate, more stress on body)
Insulin resistance spreading throughout body via long term abuse of rHGH and insulin
Heavily reduced nutrient uptake and absorption (increasing food intake and dosages of slin and rhgh to compensate compounding the insulin resistance)
Great post.
I'd add nerve damage caused by wear and tear / jabbing to that list.
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We get it. You don't believe it so you're making a mockery of it. Ha ha funny. Take the most poorly written thing you can find and us it as an example to discredit what it is you don't agree with it. You sneaky guy.
No no - absolutely not Mr W! I have nowhere near enough knowledge of the subject to comment snarkily - that was nothing more than a (very) poor (almost) joke about my own physical decrepitude, based on that transparently poorly written list. Blame too-subtle UK sarcasm if you will. For all I know you are 100% right... :)
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No no - absolutely not Mr W! I have nowhere near enough knowledge of the subject to comment snarkily - that was nothing more than a (very) poor (almost) joke about my own physical decrepitude, based on that transparently poorly written list. Blame too-subtle UK sarcasm if you will. For all I know you are 100% right... :)
Sorry for being an asshole.lol
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Great post.
I'd add nerve damage caused by wear and tear / jabbing to that list.
for sure
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No no - absolutely not Mr W! I have nowhere near enough knowledge of the subject to comment snarkily - that was nothing more than a (very) poor (almost) joke about my own physical decrepitude, based on that transparently poorly written list. Blame too-subtle UK sarcasm if you will. For all I know you are 100% right... :)
In fact, add struggling to take a piss in the middle of the night and I've definitely got all the symptoms!
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Sorry for being an asshole.lol
That's OK, maybe we should leave this conversation until after 6pm, when you'll perk up a little... ;)
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That's OK, maybe we should leave this conversation until after 6pm, when you'll perk up a little... ;)
;D ;D ;D
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That's OK, maybe we should leave this conversation until after 6pm, when you'll perk up a little... ;)
lolol that big of a difference huh?
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A great example of the aging effect is Justin Compton and Markus Ruhl. These guys went from Steve Rodgers to the Incredible Hulk. Thier bodies went through a tremendous amount of stress to get there in a relatively short period of time. It shows through the aging of thier faces. I think it's common knowledge now that too much stress = aging.
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Interesting scientific/medical theory coming from a guy who couldn't make it out of the first semester of nursing school.
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Interesting scientific/medical theory coming from a guy who couldn't make it out of the first semester of nursing school.
How do you think I understand the science? I'm in school now genius.
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There is nothing stopping anyone from posting scientific literature to refute anything you post.
That is just a personal attack.
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There is nothing stopping anyone from posting scientific literature to refute anything you post.
That is just a personal attack.
Yes, because a lot of scientific research, and resources, at the world's top research universities have been devoted to understanding the origin and causes of "Palumboism."
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How do you think I understand the science? I'm in school now genius.
I'm impressed, sir. Clark County Community College is no joke.
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Yes, because a lot of scientific research, and resources, at the world's top research universities have been devoted to understanding the origin and causes of "Palumboism."
Well of course not... ::)
But it doesn't need to focus on "palumboism" we are talking about muscle wastage, visceral fat accumulation and stomach distention. We are talking about extensively studied anabolic steroids, insulin, growth hormone and physical stressors.
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Well of course not... ::)
But it doesn't need to focus on "palumboism" we are talking about muscle wastage, visceral fat accumulation and stomach distention.
None of which has ever been researched in this context, at least as far as I am aware.
I feel like I'm in alternative universe insofar as seemingly reasonable people are taking this thread seriously. We all know Uncle Wiggs is off his rocker.
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None of which has ever been researched in this context, at least as far as I am aware.
I feel like I'm in alternative universe insofar as seemingly reasonable people are taking this thread seriously. We all know Uncle Wiggs is off his rocker.
We are all off our rocker in the bodybuilding world lol...
Its a very interesting topic, its the unsightly stain of modern bodybuilding.
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Whether wiggs is right or wrong its a new and interesting theory, top stuff from the original,original hebrew
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The people who have to wake up with a pot of coffee and no food until the evening.
I don't know man. There's some decent fitness type bodies out there(no homo) where guys eat once or twice a day and live off coffee.
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Wiggs, in your opinion does SEO oil come into effect at all with people with Palumboism? It seems like every bodybuilder with Palumboism also abused SEO/type oils...
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I'm impressed, sir. Clark County Community College is no joke.
I'm not there. lol I'm at a University. Asshole
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Wiggs, in your opinion does SEO oil come into effect at all with people with Palumboism? It seems like every bodybuilder with Palumboism also abused SEO/type oils...
I remember seeing Piana talk about a reduction of blood flow to extensively SEO'd bodyparts...
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Interesting thread Wiggs..........food for thought.
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It doesn't seem like Palumbo has had a particularly stressful life and he always talks about how he isn't fond of stimulants and found getting shredded easier than most bodybuilders.
The reality is that it's almost all genetics. It's definitely not "receptor burnout" as some people have claimed because the amount of androgen receptors actually increase over long periods of gear use lol.
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Interesting thoughts, would hold more weight of coming from someone who didn't think white man has only existed for the last 30 years and that we should have died weeks ago at the hands of planet nigiru
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What interests me about the concept of increased visceral fat is the allusion in other threads to the possibility that there are people out there who have actually had some form of internal liposuction ( :o) Is this BS? Anyone enlighten me?
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Good stuff Wiggs
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Thx wiggs
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No, the atrophied limbs is due to cervical spinal stenosis. Heavy lifting over many years can cause this as well as being born with it. I had surgery to remove 3 discs in my neck that were pinching my spinal cord. That's when I was diagnosed with the stenosis, or narrowing of the spinal canal. My triceps and outer quads are both noticeably smaller than they were say 5 years ago. And body weight and strength are the same in that span. Tommywishbone can add to this as he has the same condition.
As far as the big bellies, who knows. I'd say visceral fat from insulin abuse for years on end.
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I'm not there. lol I'm at a University. Asshole
Unless you're in pre med, fuck off.
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Unless you're in pre med, fuck off.
Fuck premed. Western medicine generally speaking is garbage. They treat symptoms, not problems. Fucking hacks.
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I have often read about adrenal fatigue as a fallacy.
Would you agree upon some of the contributory factors I listed earlier?
I think insulin resistance is playing a big role here.
What are your thoughts on the topic?
Adrenal fatigue is one thing, something that can't be verified with blood work etc.
As far as the rest, I think thelamefalsehood has a good explanation for at least some of the atrophy. Add in the small (and big) muscle tears and the body will start to look worn.
As far as the gut, stretching of the abdominals through enormous amounts of food along with heavy lifting where the gut expands like crazy. The abs start to separate (and some even get hernias) on many guys like Phil Heath and I don't think organ growth and visceral fat is the major reason, though they can contribute.
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Adrenal fatigue is one thing, something that can't be verified with blood work etc.
As far as the rest, I think thelamefalsehood has a good explanation for at least some of the atrophy. Add in the small (and big) muscle tears and the body will start to look worn.
As far as the gut, stretching of the abdominals through enormous amounts of food along with heavy lifting where the gut expands like crazy. The abs start to separate (and some even get hernias) on many guys like Phil Heath and I don't think organ growth and visceral fat is the major reason, though they can contribute.
How can it be verified?
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How do you think I understand the science? I'm in school now genius.
Didnt u think the earth was 6000 years old like the bible says? Um....
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We get it. You don't believe it so you're making a mockery of it. Ha ha funny. Take the most poorly written thing you can find and us it as an example to discredit what it is you don't agree with it. You sneaky guy.
Don't you remember your theory on "distilled water only", that you supported with articles written by the biggest quack on the planet?
Jesus Christ you are a know nothing fool.
A real shitbag of stupidity.
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How can it be verified?
You'd have to ask the proponents of this theory. The medical community hasn't found a way, thus it remains a fake disease.
Wiki sums it up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_fatigue
Wiggs called it pre-addison's. I guess linking it with a real but rare disease makes it sound more legit.
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Wiggs,
If you mean to say that Palumbo might be suffering from Addison's Disease (Adrenal insufficiency), then yes, that is a real condition.
Typical symptoms include:
Muscle weakness and fatigue
Weight loss and decreased appetite
Darkening of your skin (hyperpigmentation)
Low blood pressure, even fainting
Salt craving
Low blood sugar (hypoglycemia)
Nausea, diarrhea or vomiting
Muscle or joint pains
Irritability
Depression
Body hair loss or sexual dysfunction in women
The adrenal glands have two parts to their structure. The medulla (at the very center of the gland) produces chemicals like epinephrine and norepinephrine, which are necessary for activation of adrenergic receptors like Alpha1, Alpha2, Beta1, Beta2 & Dopamine receptors (receptors which are crucial to the fight or flight response). The other structural part of the adrenal glands is the outer covering, which is known as the cortex. The cortex produces glucocorticoids, mineralocorticoids and male sex hormones (These hormones individually control everything from inflammation, energy consumption, blood pressure, electrolyte balance and sexual development).
Damage to the pituitary gland can cause Adrenal Insufficiency. Maybe Palumbo caused some damage to his hypothalamic-pituitary-dysfunction, which in turn has allowed for him to develop Adrenal Insufficiency. It's hard to say.
There are tests to check for Adrenal Insufficiency.
Blood test. Measuring your blood levels of sodium, potassium, cortisol and ACTH gives your doctor an initial indication of whether adrenal insufficiency may be causing your signs and symptoms. A blood test can also measure antibodies associated with autoimmune Addison's disease.
ACTH stimulation test. This test involves measuring the level of cortisol in your blood before and after an injection of synthetic ACTH. ACTH signals your adrenal glands to produce cortisol. If your adrenal glands are damaged, the ACTH stimulation test shows that your output of cortisol in response to synthetic ACTH is limited or nonexistent.
Insulin-induced hypoglycemia test. Occasionally, doctors suggest this test if pituitary disease is a possible cause of adrenal insufficiency (secondary adrenal insufficiency). The test involves checking your blood sugar (blood glucose) and cortisol levels at various intervals after an injection of insulin. In healthy people, glucose levels fall and cortisol levels increase.
Imaging tests. Your doctor may have you undergo a computerized tomography (CT) scan of your abdomen to check the size of your adrenal glands and look for other abnormalities that may give insight to the cause of the adrenal insufficiency. Your doctor may also suggest a MRI scan of your pituitary gland if testing indicates you might have secondary adrenal insufficiency.
If any of you are interested in a little more reading behind the subject, feel free to check out The Mayo Clinic's resources at this link: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/addisons-disease/basics/definition/con-20021340 (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/addisons-disease/basics/definition/con-20021340)
I'm sure Palumbo has it all covered.
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P.S. If you meant to say that Adrenal Fatigue on its own is a medical condition, then that would not be true, as the actual medical diagnosis does not exist.
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Wiggs,
If you mean to say that Palumbo might be suffering from Addison's Disease (Adrenal insufficiency), then yes, that is a real condition.
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Nah, he knows Addison's is real but there's a lot of talk about "adrenal fatigue" by those who believe in alternative medicine on bodybuilding forums. And the solution is obviously some natural supplements such as egg yolk extracts :)
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Thanks guys.
Been dealing with very bad muscular recovery from workouts. Done a extensive blood work and some abdominal scans, but it's all 100%.
The doctor believes that anxiety might be draining me out.
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Nah, he knows Addison's is real but there's a lot of talk about "adrenal fatigue" by those who believe in alternative medicine on bodybuilding forums. And the solution is obviously some natural supplements such as egg yolk extracts :)
Although he hasn't said so, I can't imagine any nursing school teaching him that. Those schools tend to be very well structured and follow a standard curriculum. Maybe he read it online or something.
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interesting thread.
seems like there's a lot of work to be done in this area. so many people (including myself) suspect there's something wrong after noticing drastic changes in energy, muscle tissue, etc. over time, but the doctors (generally speaking) are at a loss...
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Great thread wiggs. There's so much that the science and medical community does not know especially in regards to intense training and advanced performance enhancement drugs use over time
Great thread! P
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I could be wrong but I doubt that this book will cover anything remotely close to what we know as Palumboism.
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There is no such thing as adrenal fatigue
Correct sir. There is adrenal insufficency (Addisonian crisis) but your adrenals never fatigue, (otherwise fight or flight from the PNS, would render you dead no bronchdialtion for lung ventilation) Palumbo's problem is rooted to high cholesterol intake.
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Correct sir. There is adrenal insufficency (Addisonian crisis) but your adrenals never fatigue, (otherwise fight or flight from the PNS, would render you dead no bronchdialtion for lung ventilation) Palumbo's problem is rooted to high cholesterol intake.
:o :o
Please elaborate
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We get it. You don't believe it so you're making a mockery of it. Ha ha funny. Take the most poorly written thing you can find and us it as an example to discredit what it is you don't agree with it. You sneaky guy.
so is adrenal fatigue a medical term or is it some half baked idea some bro science website has concocted?
my money is on the latter. if it is, then i call total BS.
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http://www.hormone.org/hormones-and-health/myth-vs-fact/adrenal-fatigue
ah. so it is bro science.
no such thing as adrenal fatigue. luckily for us, it needs global, peer review, double blind test and acceptance before conditions and treatments are approved, to treat things like flu, cancer, STDs etc.
and at the same time keeping BS pseudo science honest.
nothing to see here. "palumboism" is not "adrenal fatigue".
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palumbo looks like he has been taking hiv drugs
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No, the atrophied limbs is due to cervical spinal stenosis. Heavy lifting over many years can cause this as well as being born with it. I had surgery to remove 3 discs in my neck that were pinching my spinal cord. That's when I was diagnosed with the stenosis, or narrowing of the spinal canal. My triceps and outer quads are both noticeably smaller than they were say 5 years ago. And body weight and strength are the same in that span. Tommywishbone can add to this as he has the same condition.
As far as the big bellies, who knows. I'd say visceral fat from insulin abuse for years on end.
I agree with this theory on both counts, fatty liver and enlarged spleens from insulin and gear use, abdominal bloat from force feeding and muscle fascia stretching from overloading your stomach.
Its reversible but only to an extent and depending on the abuse.
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It couldn't be the copious amounts of drugs causing the problem. Never. ::)
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palumbo looks like he has been taking hiv drugs
Yes! The stomach and withered limbs along with the facial features. Yes. You nailed it