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Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?
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https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/mitchells-fake-cocaine/2922871
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Does wonders for a youthful appearance.
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It's epidemic!
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LOL!
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Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?
Sounds like you hang out with some premium grade A quality ladies of the night. Most strippers will fuck you for an eight ball so you should be pulling orgies left and right with a bag of H
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Only the dregs do hard drugs..
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My buddy's(?) ex turned into a junkie after she broke her neck.
When I broke my neck I sold all my pills and bought Budweisers and weed specifically to avoid this situation.
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My buddy's(?) ex turned into a junkie after she broke her neck.
When I broke my neck I sold all my pills and bought Budweisers and weed specifically to avoid this situation.
You don't know if he's your friend or not?
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Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?
where the hell do you get snortable black in SoCal????
FYI i just came off a year of mainlining 3-5g/day and never came across powder H around here. spent just shy of $50k on that shit.
... also during that time, the only other ppl i knew who did it were dealers. lol
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It's all powder here in Detroit. Never seen black tar once.
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where the hell do you get snortable black in SoCal????
FYI i just came off a year of mainlining 3-5g/day and never came across powder H around here. spent just shy of $50k on that shit.
... also during that time, the only other ppl i knew who did it were dealers. lol
What did that year do to your physique? Were you still juicing as well? And how was training? This shit is fascinating to me
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What did that year do to your physique? Were you still juicing as well? And how was training? This shit is fascinating to me
still ran minimal doses.. sporadic training... maybe 500mg-1g/wk. maintained about 225-230.. often went months with maybe 1 workout. still had abs, delts and whatnot. everytime i wound up inthe hospital the nurses/dr's would mention something like "how the fuck do you look like this and use heroin?" "you must workout every day"... i'd chuckle. usually would up in the er because of an infection. the cellulitis in my lower legs that turned into sepsis a year ago never really healed until recently.
i kicked back in july using suboxone... couple female clients actually went looking for me and had vague idea of where i lived (nobody had heard from me for about 5 days and when i'd answer the phone they could tell something was really wrong)... showed up in my bedroom and found me extrememely dehydrated and took me to the ER. was clean for a while.. then relapsed. during relapse i resumed training and got back to 235ish and lean fairly quickly.. using about 1g test/wk and 100mg anavar 100mg dbol on training days (about 3 days a week).
then kicked again recently... a week ago thursday actually... buddy of mine gave me a stimulant to "distract me" from the opiate withdrawal and i likely suffered a minor heart attack friday night/sat morning. (according to my 3rd yr med student gf whom i'd reconciled with a couple months ago... she was with me that saturday and was timing chest pains radiating to arm... shortness of breath, ect... but i refused to go to the ER)... traininging on opiates is actaully fine. it's just business that really got in the way of my training... plus i just lost motivation.
now, training without opiates is taking some getting used to. opiates are warm and comforting. take that away and it feels like there's something "missing" and that feeling is what sucks, once you get past the physical withdrawal.
plus, for the past couple weeks i've been dealing with kidney stones... last 2 mornings waking up writhing in pain with gf telling me to go to the ER... but i know when i go they're not gonna be able to get an IV started (the reason i quit this time is because i have no more usable veins). before kicking the first time, i was inthe ER with 2 dr's 2 nurses and a phelmbotomist using 2 ultrasound machines trying to find a vein to draw blood or start an iv... took them 5 hours. only dr's are allowed to use neck veins for iv/blooddraw and they couldn't find any that were useable. (all collapsed or scarred... even neck and armpits).
so... this time, i'll be going back on 100%. probably a couple months of 5g test plus some chinese gh at 5-10iu... depending on what brand. hell, after thinking nothing of spending $120/day on black tar, i still have a hard time pulling the trigger on a $200 gh kit. lol
business is picking up after a dip and i have a cartel investor wanting to put some money in.
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My buddy's(?) ex turned into a junkie after she broke her neck.
When I broke my neck I sold all my pills and bought Budweisers and weed specifically to avoid this situation.
mine started with degenerated discs in my neck and compressed/bulging discs in my back. dr would only write a script for 3 weeks worth of ultram and i'd have to wait 2-3 weeks for another apt to see him so he'd refill the script... of something i'd been taking for 3yrs (until they scheduled it).. then a buddy's gf offered up some diluadid tabs for dirt cheap (she was a crack head), and before long i was iv'ing 20mg diluadid/day until that supply ran out... then in came heroin... thinking it'd be cheaper because i'd need much less of it.. well, 1/2g/day turned into 1g/day turned into 3-5g/day.
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still ran minimal doses.. sporadic training... maybe 500mg-1g/wk. maintained about 225-230.. often went months with maybe 1 workout. still had abs, delts and whatnot. everytime i wound up inthe hospital the nurses/dr's would mention something like "how the fuck do you look like this and use heroin?" "you must workout every day"... i'd chuckle. usually would up in the er because of an infection. the cellulitis in my lower legs that turned into sepsis a year ago never really healed until recently.
i kicked back in july using suboxone... couple female clients actually went looking for me and had vague idea of where i lived (nobody had heard from me for about 5 days and when i'd answer the phone they could tell something was really wrong)... showed up in my bedroom and found me extrememely dehydrated and took me to the ER. was clean for a while.. then relapsed. during relapse i resumed training and got back to 235ish and lean fairly quickly.. using about 1g test/wk and 100mg anavar 100mg dbol on training days (about 3 days a week).
then kicked again recently... a week ago thursday actually... buddy of mine gave me a stimulant to "distract me" from the opiate withdrawal and i likely suffered a minor heart attack friday night/sat morning. (according to my 3rd yr med student gf whom i'd reconciled with a couple months ago... she was with me that saturday and was timing chest pains radiating to arm... shortness of breath, ect... but i refused to go to the ER)... traininging on opiates is actaully fine. it's just business that really got in the way of my training... plus i just lost motivation.
now, training without opiates is taking some getting used to. opiates are warm and comforting. take that away and it feels like there's something "missing" and that feeling is what sucks, once you get past the physical withdrawal.
plus, for the past couple weeks i've been dealing with kidney stones... last 2 mornings waking up writhing in pain with gf telling me to go to the ER... but i know when i go they're not gonna be able to get an IV started (the reason i quit this time is because i have no more usable veins). before kicking the first time, i was inthe ER with 2 dr's 2 nurses and a phelmbotomist using 2 ultrasound machines trying to find a vein to draw blood or start an iv... took them 5 hours. only dr's are allowed to use neck veins for iv/blooddraw and they couldn't find any that were useable. (all collapsed or scarred... even neck and armpits).
so... this time, i'll be going back on 100%. probably a couple months of 5g test plus some chinese gh at 5-10iu... depending on what brand. hell, after thinking nothing of spending $120/day on black tar, i still have a hard time pulling the trigger on a $200 gh kit. lol
business is picking up after a dip and i have a cartel investor wanting to put some money in.
i should add.. it takes quite a bit to 'scare' me. i'll walk around with ankles the size of my calves for a few months, pouring sweat 24-7 before i go seek medical attention.. but the 'minor heart attack' thing had me seriously concerned. (this was about the same day as the Lamar Odom incident).. i think the only thing that kept me from a serious OD was me taking roughly 40mg levitra and 100+mg viagra and popping xanax all night.... that friday i weighed 229-231 that afternoon, by 11am saturday morning at the gym i was down to 212 (i had a delivery to make) and by monday morning i was 202. so over 3 days i dropped 30lbs. by wed i was back to 216 and as of now i'm back to 228 without having a workout in about 3 weeks.
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Get help my man. When people I've known talk that plainly about using....well, they are near the end.
I'm not fucking around. Do it. Whatever you have to do.
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I worked for an IFBB pro in the 90’s who snorted heroin.
He also smoked two packs a day and was a pot head.
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i should add.. it takes quite a bit to 'scare' me. i'll walk around with ankles the size of my calves for a few months, pouring sweat 24-7 before i go seek medical attention.. but the 'minor heart attack' thing had me seriously concerned. (this was about the same day as the Lamar Odom incident).. i think the only thing that kept me from a serious OD was me taking roughly 40mg levitra and 100+mg viagra and popping xanax all night.... that friday i weighed 229-231 that afternoon, by 11am saturday morning at the gym i was down to 212 (i had a delivery to make) and by monday morning i was 202. so over 3 days i dropped 30lbs. by wed i was back to 216 and as of now i'm back to 228 without having a workout in about 3 weeks.
Ull be dead inside 6 months. However...I dont think you care
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still ran minimal doses.. sporadic training... maybe 500mg-1g/wk. maintained about 225-230.. often went months with maybe 1 workout. still had abs, delts and whatnot. everytime i wound up inthe hospital the nurses/dr's would mention something like "how the fuck do you look like this and use heroin?" "you must workout every day"... i'd chuckle. usually would up in the er because of an infection. the cellulitis in my lower legs that turned into sepsis a year ago never really healed until recently.
i kicked back in july using suboxone... couple female clients actually went looking for me and had vague idea of where i lived (nobody had heard from me for about 5 days and when i'd answer the phone they could tell something was really wrong)... showed up in my bedroom and found me extrememely dehydrated and took me to the ER. was clean for a while.. then relapsed. during relapse i resumed training and got back to 235ish and lean fairly quickly.. using about 1g test/wk and 100mg anavar 100mg dbol on training days (about 3 days a week).
then kicked again recently... a week ago thursday actually... buddy of mine gave me a stimulant to "distract me" from the opiate withdrawal and i likely suffered a minor heart attack friday night/sat morning. (according to my 3rd yr med student gf whom i'd reconciled with a couple months ago... she was with me that saturday and was timing chest pains radiating to arm... shortness of breath, ect... but i refused to go to the ER)... traininging on opiates is actaully fine. it's just business that really got in the way of my training... plus i just lost motivation.
now, training without opiates is taking some getting used to. opiates are warm and comforting. take that away and it feels like there's something "missing" and that feeling is what sucks, once you get past the physical withdrawal.
plus, for the past couple weeks i've been dealing with kidney stones... last 2 mornings waking up writhing in pain with gf telling me to go to the ER... but i know when i go they're not gonna be able to get an IV started (the reason i quit this time is because i have no more usable veins). before kicking the first time, i was inthe ER with 2 dr's 2 nurses and a phelmbotomist using 2 ultrasound machines trying to find a vein to draw blood or start an iv... took them 5 hours. only dr's are allowed to use neck veins for iv/blooddraw and they couldn't find any that were useable. (all collapsed or scarred... even neck and armpits).
so... this time, i'll be going back on 100%. probably a couple months of 5g test plus some chinese gh at 5-10iu... depending on what brand. hell, after thinking nothing of spending $120/day on black tar, i still have a hard time pulling the trigger on a $200 gh kit. lol
business is picking up after a dip and i have a cartel investor wanting to put some money in.
I see a liveleak video with you getting your head chainsawed off in the not to distant future.
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Ull be dead inside 6 months. However...I dont think you care
At this rate, you are 100% correct.
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Speaking of heroin: There's no worse sick than dope sick. I never planned on dying like this.
-Layne Staley
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i should add.. it takes quite a bit to 'scare' me. i'll walk around with ankles the size of my calves for a few months, pouring sweat 24-7 before i go seek medical attention.. but the 'minor heart attack' thing had me seriously concerned. (this was about the same day as the Lamar Odom incident).. i think the only thing that kept me from a serious OD was me taking roughly 40mg levitra and 100+mg viagra and popping xanax all night.... that friday i weighed 229-231 that afternoon, by 11am saturday morning at the gym i was down to 212 (i had a delivery to make) and by monday morning i was 202. so over 3 days i dropped 30lbs. by wed i was back to 216 and as of now i'm back to 228 without having a workout in about 3 weeks.
you make uncle junior seem like a boy scout.
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Almost as shady as the typical personal trainer.
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Great thread
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None of this narc addicted women in my beautiful country.
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great stories ESF......epic
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Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?
Don't you live in Vegas? That might explain a lot about the women you "know"
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Im off now. About every other day ill take about a mg of suboxone (36hr halfnlife) butbthats it. I remember the withdrawal from nubain being worse than black. Even if i wanted to still use, i couldnt. I have no where to shoot. Did my first shot of Test yesterday in about 3 weeks (750 milligrams cypionate and did another 750 today)... attempted a little bit of a workout last nightbut without any anDrogens in my system, the motivation just wasn't quite thereso today I'Ll go at it again with 100 milligrams anavar and 125 milligrams Dianabol in me along with a milligram of methyltrienolone... Plus the 12iu of slin has me eating a good bit more. Gonna make a run for 250 by xmas.
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Your first real opiate withdrawal experience always seems to be the worst. First time I ray out of oxy back in January 2010 it kicked my ass like nothing else. Not enough to learn my lesson, though.
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New Bern withdrawal was just a different animal altogether being an opiate agonist/antagonisttramadol ultram withdrawal was pretty s***** aswellconsidering it's a pretty city painkillerhello however its action on 12 or 14 different mechanisms in the brain make withdrawl a little bit more complicated....my issue with bthwas more of a money thing being able to afford itadded to the problem and just prolong the addiction. sorry about if any of this doesn't make much sense using voice text and too lazy to proofread before I hit post
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Don't you live in Vegas? That might explain a lot about the women you "know"
I live in San Francisco. I am often in Las Vegas with work. I do not like radishes.
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Thank fuck I'm afraid to take a xanax even. Oh ill take any anabolics in the world, peptides and ancillaries. But I wouldn't touch a valium or xanax. Meant to be seriously addictive. Pal of mine is a former heroin addict, on methadone now. He ruined his life in his twenties with heroin
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New Bern withdrawal was just a different animal altogether being an opiate agonist/antagonisttramadol ultram withdrawal was pretty s***** aswellconsidering it's a pretty city painkillerhello however its action on 12 or 14 different mechanisms in the brain make withdrawl a little bit more complicated....my issue with bthwas more of a money thing being able to afford itadded to the problem and just prolong the addiction. sorry about if any of this doesn't make much sense using voice text and too lazy to proofread before I hit post
Dude,you should hit detox,then a rehab,then a halfway house,then NA meetings ................those are the things that helped me immensely.
Of course I had the desire to quit as my life was a nightmare,but yours sounds much worse.
Good luck bro,I mean that sincerely..........nobod y should just exist............start living again.
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Jesus ESF you are a crazy fucker. Back in the day I was able to get those blue 80 mg oxies. They became my life for about a year. I spent so much fucking money it was crazy. In the beginning I could take a tiny little piece of the 80 snort it and feel magical all day. It was the most intense euphoria you could ever imagine. I loved my life when I had oxies it was beautiful. Training was amazing sex was amazing work was amazing everyone was amazing.
A year later your life is destroyed. Every one hates you because you have become a junky loser. You need to mainline every couple hours. You look like shit. Life just becomes bad. It's a nightmare. Your tolerance skyrockets. The shit was just so expensive. I had to resort to buying methadone wafers from people.
The thing that really bothered was the people I would tolerate hanging out with. Scum bag rednecks, white trash, dirty Mexicans, ghetto shit head blacks. All for a drug. I use to have people in my car with me going to score people I would never be caught dead with. I turned into such a loser.
When I think about my life now I appreciate so much. Having a loving wife a great family a job a healthy body. I'm lucky to have pulled out of that hell hole.
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Jesus ESF you are a crazy fucker. Back in the day I was able to get those blue 80 mg oxies. They became my life for about a year. I spent so much fucking money it was crazy. In the beginning I could take a tiny little piece of the 80 snort it and feel magical all day. It was the most intense euphoria you could ever imagine. I loved my life when I had oxies it was beautiful. Training was amazing sex was amazing work was amazing everyone was amazing.
A year later your life is destroyed. Every one hates you because you have become a junky loser. You need to mainline every couple hours. You look like shit. Life just becomes bad. It's a nightmare. Your tolerance skyrockets. The shit was just so expensive. I had to resort to buying methadone wafers from people.
The thing that really bothered was the people I would tolerate hanging out with. Scum bag rednecks, white trash, dirty Mexicans, ghetto shit head blacks. All for a drug. I use to have people in my car with me going to score people I would never be caught dead with. I turned into such a loser.
When I think about my life now I appreciate so much. Having a loving wife a great family a job a healthy body. I'm lucky to have pulled out of that hell hole.
What got you started on it?
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What got you started on it?
He read a Howard thread
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When I was around 20 my buddies step dad use to sell us vicoden for .50 cents a piece. I would get sandwich bag full of them after I tried them a few times I fell in love. I loved the effects from opiates. To me it was better than anything. It destroyed my anxiety made me feel so warm and good. I loved the feeling. I would lay off them for awhile take breaks. Once I tried oxies and had access to them all the time I was screwed.
I had a circle of firends, guys I grew up with that were doing the same things as me. We were all kind of into it together. One of my buddies got connected he would get whole scripts from people and sell them. It was always around. My whole town was filled with young junkies.
This went on and off for a couple years. When I was in college away from my hometown Hebrews on the team would bring scripts back from the city. Oxies percs vikes xanax. Half the team was hooked. We would get pilled up drink and party all weekend. It was really fun at times but it just doesn't last or end well.
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It all really got bad the last 8-12 months of my binging. I was ripping people off my family new what I was up to. I was living at home. I hated letting my family down it was such an internal struggle everyday. Tolerance got so high. Everyday it was my mission to just not be sick. I finally had enough and went to a doctor. Gut put on suboxone. I never od or ended up homeless I just new my run was up. I couldn't keep it up any more. I always maintained a job. I continued to lift and stay somewhat in shape. Having a good family around me was my saving grace. 90 percent of my buddies got clean too. We were all from good homes.
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I can tell some horror stories as well, but in my case I jumped right into 80mg oxys; prior to that no hard drug experience. Safe to say I fell in love fast.
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I can tell some horror stories as well, but in my case I jumped right into 80mg oxys; prior to that no hard drug experience. Safe to say I fell in love fast.
I actually had a dream last night I had some in a drawer. I was going to mainline them. I was so excited. When I realized it was just a dream in my dream I was broken hearted.
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Haha, I hate those dreams man I hear ya. The dream always ends right as you are getting ready to snort/fix up/etc.
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He read a Howard thread
;D ;D ;D
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Your first real opiate withdrawal experience always seems to be the worst. First time I ray out of oxy back in January 2010 it kicked my ass like nothing else. Not enough to learn my lesson, though.
Oh, shit, Norco here. Wasn't aware of withdrawals, and didn't even know I was hooked. Script ran out, didn't even think about it. Woke up in hell the next day.
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have degenerated discs in my c spine, compressed discs in my tspine and bulging discs in my lumbar so was using ultram for 2-3yrs... 8 per day at the start, then tapered down to 3 per day.... until they scheduled it and i had to go to the dr to get the script renewed instead of just refilling it every 2 months online.
dr would only write a script for 3 weeks worth, then scheduling a new apt was a pain in the ass and i'd be out for a few days to a week or two.
then got a call from a customer saying his (crackhead) gf had some diluadid (she didn't even know what they were.. she stole them... about 1000 of them from a cancer patient) and asked if i knew of anybody who'd want them.. at first i said 'nah, i have no idea'... then i thought.. hey wait, sure i'll try some. so i got about 30 or so 2mg pills.. which when taken orally didn't do shit. and i'm not into sniffing boatloads of powder, so i started crushing them up, mixxing with water filtering and shooting it IV... eventually i was bangin 20-30mg/day and paying peanuts for them... until the supply ran out.
the guys gf says she has some morphine tabs... but from my research, i know they're impossible to melt down/dissolve and bang iv, but she says "all her herion friends beg for them when they can't get herion"... this was around the time Phillip Seymore Hofman OD'd on H, so i told her "well, go find your herion friends and get me some heroin instead"... her being a crackhead, took advantage of my ignorance of pricing.. i was expecting to pay 100/g but quickly went up to 150-200/g... and at first 80mg would make me nod a little, but the 'rush' was nothing like what you see in movies and nothing compared to the diluadid. but then i found a better hookup and after a while i was doing 500-700mg per shot IV.
had i been able to maintain a steady supply of 3 ultram/day without interruption, i'd never have considered using anything else. but the piece of shit doctor just wanted to bill the fuck outta my insurance... writing scripts for $90 "topical ibuprofen cream" and $900 MRI's on my neck/back when i'd JUST HAD 5 fuckin MRI's on my spine less than a year earlier.
luckily i found a dr who accepted insurance that perscribed suboxone... most doc's who perscribe suboxone ONLY accept cash up front.. usually $800+ the price of the suboxone.
only experienced what's called "precipitated withdrawals" once... that's when you take suboxone too soon after using an opiate, and the suboxone "knocks off" all other opiates off the receptors and you get what's usually 3 days of withdrawal condensed into 1 hour.. i was back at the dealer as quick as i could and banged 1.5g straight away just to kill the withdrawal... and waited 24hrs before starting back on the suboxone again.
to come off black, you gotta get a decent supply of xanax, catapres, and suboxone/subutex... it's much easier to do 1 last shot of black at like 7pm, then take your xanax with a couple shots of vodka and catapress at night.. wake up, take another xanax and wait as long as you can past noon before you take your suboxone. first 24hrs are bad... but if you make it 3 days, you're set.. as far as physical withdrawal.. then you gotta deal with PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrom)... where everything in your life just sucks and you're bored. i didn't know what do do with myself. when i had nothing to do, in the past i'd do a shot and eat (opiates made me hungry all the time) and feel content... without the opiates, it was impossible to feel content.. hence the xanax to keep from climbing the walls and whatnot... for me, it was easier to think of the money i'd spent and how i could be driving an 02 911 Turbo right now.
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Xanax works for WDs, since you sleep through it. Catapress is underrated too since many WD symptoms are a direct result of the high blood pressure WDs cause.
I also had success with large doses of neurontin (gabapentin).
And I've had precipitated withdrawal once before. That shit literally dropped me wehre I stood, i have no idea how you were able to drive and score in that condition.
Good times.
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have degenerated discs in my c spine, compressed discs in my tspine and bulging discs in my lumbar so was using ultram for 2-3yrs... 8 per day at the start, then tapered down to 3 per day.... until they scheduled it and i had to go to the dr to get the script renewed instead of just refilling it every 2 months online.
dr would only write a script for 3 weeks worth, then scheduling a new apt was a pain in the ass and i'd be out for a few days to a week or two.
then got a call from a customer saying his (crackhead) gf had some diluadid (she didn't even know what they were.. she stole them... about 1000 of them from a cancer patient) and asked if i knew of anybody who'd want them.. at first i said 'nah, i have no idea'... then i thought.. hey wait, sure i'll try some. so i got about 30 or so 2mg pills.. which when taken orally didn't do shit. and i'm not into sniffing boatloads of powder, so i started crushing them up, mixxing with water filtering and shooting it IV... eventually i was bangin 20-30mg/day and paying peanuts for them... until the supply ran out.
the guys gf says she has some morphine tabs... but from my research, i know they're impossible to melt down/dissolve and bang iv, but she says "all her herion friends beg for them when they can't get herion"... this was around the time Phillip Seymore Hofman OD'd on H, so i told her "well, go find your herion friends and get me some heroin instead"... her being a crackhead, took advantage of my ignorance of pricing.. i was expecting to pay 100/g but quickly went up to 150-200/g... and at first 80mg would make me nod a little, but the 'rush' was nothing like what you see in movies and nothing compared to the diluadid. but then i found a better hookup and after a while i was doing 500-700mg per shot IV.
had i been able to maintain a steady supply of 3 ultram/day without interruption, i'd never have considered using anything else. but the piece of shit doctor just wanted to bill the fuck outta my insurance... writing scripts for $90 "topical ibuprofen cream" and $900 MRI's on my neck/back when i'd JUST HAD 5 fuckin MRI's on my spine less than a year earlier.
luckily i found a dr who accepted insurance that perscribed suboxone... most doc's who perscribe suboxone ONLY accept cash up front.. usually $800+ the price of the suboxone.
only experienced what's called "precipitated withdrawals" once... that's when you take suboxone too soon after using an opiate, and the suboxone "knocks off" all other opiates off the receptors and you get what's usually 3 days of withdrawal condensed into 1 hour.. i was back at the dealer as quick as i could and banged 1.5g straight away just to kill the withdrawal... and waited 24hrs before starting back on the suboxone again.
to come off black, you gotta get a decent supply of xanax, catapres, and suboxone/subutex... it's much easier to do 1 last shot of black at like 7pm, then take your xanax with a couple shots of vodka and catapress at night.. wake up, take another xanax and wait as long as you can past noon before you take your suboxone. first 24hrs are bad... but if you make it 3 days, you're set.. as far as physical withdrawal.. then you gotta deal with PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrom)... where everything in your life just sucks and you're bored. i didn't know what do do with myself. when i had nothing to do, in the past i'd do a shot and eat (opiates made me hungry all the time) and feel content... without the opiates, it was impossible to feel content.. hence the xanax to keep from climbing the walls and whatnot... for me, it was easier to think of the money i'd spent and how i could be driving an 02 911 Turbo right now.
Jesus....these stories are nuts. All bullshit here aside - I hope you pull through this fully.
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Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?
What kind of dregs of society do you hang out with?
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I live in San Francisco. I am often in Las Vegas with work. I do not like radishes.
You live in SF and have Freddy Mercury as your avi. I assume you've some out of the closet already?
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You live in SF and have Freddy Mercury as your avi. I assume you've some out of the closet already?
;D Dear, we've already had this little talk. Now hush your sassy mouth and go to the gym.
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still ran minimal doses.. sporadic training... maybe 500mg-1g/wk. maintained about 225-230.. often went months with maybe 1 workout. still had abs, delts and whatnot. everytime i wound up inthe hospital the nurses/dr's would mention something like "how the fuck do you look like this and use heroin?" "you must workout every day"... i'd chuckle. usually would up in the er because of an infection. the cellulitis in my lower legs that turned into sepsis a year ago never really healed until recently.
i kicked back in july using suboxone... couple female clients actually went looking for me and had vague idea of where i lived (nobody had heard from me for about 5 days and when i'd answer the phone they could tell something was really wrong)... showed up in my bedroom and found me extrememely dehydrated and took me to the ER. was clean for a while.. then relapsed. during relapse i resumed training and got back to 235ish and lean fairly quickly.. using about 1g test/wk and 100mg anavar 100mg dbol on training days (about 3 days a week).
then kicked again recently... a week ago thursday actually... buddy of mine gave me a stimulant to "distract me" from the opiate withdrawal and i likely suffered a minor heart attack friday night/sat morning. (according to my 3rd yr med student gf whom i'd reconciled with a couple months ago... she was with me that saturday and was timing chest pains radiating to arm... shortness of breath, ect... but i refused to go to the ER)... traininging on opiates is actaully fine. it's just business that really got in the way of my training... plus i just lost motivation.
now, training without opiates is taking some getting used to. opiates are warm and comforting. take that away and it feels like there's something "missing" and that feeling is what sucks, once you get past the physical withdrawal.
plus, for the past couple weeks i've been dealing with kidney stones... last 2 mornings waking up writhing in pain with gf telling me to go to the ER... but i know when i go they're not gonna be able to get an IV started (the reason i quit this time is because i have no more usable veins). before kicking the first time, i was inthe ER with 2 dr's 2 nurses and a phelmbotomist using 2 ultrasound machines trying to find a vein to draw blood or start an iv... took them 5 hours. only dr's are allowed to use neck veins for iv/blooddraw and they couldn't find any that were useable. (all collapsed or scarred... even neck and armpits).
so... this time, i'll be going back on 100%. probably a couple months of 5g test plus some chinese gh at 5-10iu... depending on what brand. hell, after thinking nothing of spending $120/day on black tar, i still have a hard time pulling the trigger on a $200 gh kit. lol
business is picking up after a dip and i have a cartel investor wanting to put some money in.
Dude, question for you?...whats the difference between Suboxone and Methadone?...I notice a lot of my clients who take H prefer to kick with Suboxone
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Methadone builds up in your system, they start you on a lower dose and up it every day until you feel OK. Plus you have to go to a clinic to dose, if you are consistent you get 'take homes' so you don't have to commute. Also, since it builds up in your system you can miss a dose or two before you start to feel WDs, so that is a fail safe.
Suboxone works instantly, and I had more success with this. You let it dissolve under your tongue and it kicks in and you are good to go for the day. Problem with these are they taste like absolute shit, and they are a hassle to get prescribed from what I understand. I would always have a few on hand for a rainy day.
The withdrawal from methadone is much, much worse than suboxone. Both suck because they have a longer half-life (compared to dope WDs it is more mild but prolonged), but I'd rather kick subs over methadone. Hell I'd rather kick gear over methadone. Yeah it sucks but just medicate yourself heavily and the worst of it is over in 3-4 days.
HTH..
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Methadone builds up in your system, they start you on a lower dose and up it every day until you feel OK. Plus you have to go to a clinic to dose, if you are consistent you get 'take homes' so you don't have to commute. Also, since it builds up in your system you can miss a dose or two before you start to feel WDs, so that is a fail safe.
Suboxone works instantly, and I had more success with this. You let it dissolve under your tongue and it kicks in and you are good to go for the day. Problem with these are they taste like absolute shit, and they are a hassle to get prescribed from what I understand. I would always have a few on hand for a rainy day.
The withdrawal from methadone is much, much worse than suboxone. Both suck because they have a longer half-life (compared to dope WDs it is more mild but prolonged), but I'd rather kick subs over methadone. Hell I'd rather kick gear over methadone. Yeah it sucks but just medicate yourself heavily and the worst of it is over in 3-4 days.
HTH..
LOL ;D..funny quote.......and you are right about Suboxone being a pain in the ass to acquire...doctors have to have a special license to prescribe it.....(I still don't understand why)....I thought maybe Suboxone gave you a "substitute high" and thats why all the addicts seem to want it....but I guess I was wrong based on your above statements.
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Sorry that was confusing I forgot I was on a BB board. Gear = her0n.
Um, opiate naive people can get wrecked on subs, but I never got anything of the sort. Just set me straight, no buzz whatsoever.
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have degenerated discs in my c spine, compressed discs in my tspine and bulging discs in my lumbar so was using ultram for 2-3yrs... 8 per day at the start, then tapered down to 3 per day.... until they scheduled it and i had to go to the dr to get the script renewed instead of just refilling it every 2 months online.
dr would only write a script for 3 weeks worth, then scheduling a new apt was a pain in the ass and i'd be out for a few days to a week or two.
then got a call from a customer saying his (crackhead) gf had some diluadid (she didn't even know what they were.. she stole them... about 1000 of them from a cancer patient) and asked if i knew of anybody who'd want them.. at first i said 'nah, i have no idea'... then i thought.. hey wait, sure i'll try some. so i got about 30 or so 2mg pills.. which when taken orally didn't do shit. and i'm not into sniffing boatloads of powder, so i started crushing them up, mixxing with water filtering and shooting it IV... eventually i was bangin 20-30mg/day and paying peanuts for them... until the supply ran out.
the guys gf says she has some morphine tabs... but from my research, i know they're impossible to melt down/dissolve and bang iv, but she says "all her herion friends beg for them when they can't get herion"... this was around the time Phillip Seymore Hofman OD'd on H, so i told her "well, go find your herion friends and get me some heroin instead"... her being a crackhead, took advantage of my ignorance of pricing.. i was expecting to pay 100/g but quickly went up to 150-200/g... and at first 80mg would make me nod a little, but the 'rush' was nothing like what you see in movies and nothing compared to the diluadid. but then i found a better hookup and after a while i was doing 500-700mg per shot IV.
had i been able to maintain a steady supply of 3 ultram/day without interruption, i'd never have considered using anything else. but the piece of shit doctor just wanted to bill the fuck outta my insurance... writing scripts for $90 "topical ibuprofen cream" and $900 MRI's on my neck/back when i'd JUST HAD 5 fuckin MRI's on my spine less than a year earlier.
luckily i found a dr who accepted insurance that perscribed suboxone... most doc's who perscribe suboxone ONLY accept cash up front.. usually $800+ the price of the suboxone.
only experienced what's called "precipitated withdrawals" once... that's when you take suboxone too soon after using an opiate, and the suboxone "knocks off" all other opiates off the receptors and you get what's usually 3 days of withdrawal condensed into 1 hour.. i was back at the dealer as quick as i could and banged 1.5g straight away just to kill the withdrawal... and waited 24hrs before starting back on the suboxone again.
to come off black, you gotta get a decent supply of xanax, catapres, and suboxone/subutex... it's much easier to do 1 last shot of black at like 7pm, then take your xanax with a couple shots of vodka and catapress at night.. wake up, take another xanax and wait as long as you can past noon before you take your suboxone. first 24hrs are bad... but if you make it 3 days, you're set.. as far as physical withdrawal.. then you gotta deal with PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrom)... where everything in your life just sucks and you're bored. i didn't know what do do with myself. when i had nothing to do, in the past i'd do a shot and eat (opiates made me hungry all the time) and feel content... without the opiates, it was impossible to feel content.. hence the xanax to keep from climbing the walls and whatnot... for me, it was easier to think of the money i'd spent and how i could be driving an 02 911 Turbo right now.
Awesome.
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I actually had a dream last night I had some in a drawer. I was going to mainline them. I was so excited. When I realized it was just a dream in my dream I was broken hearted.
Congrats on getting clean bro,not an easy task as you know........big props,keep on enjoying your sober life.
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Methadone builds up in your system, they start you on a lower dose and up it every day until you feel OK. Plus you have to go to a clinic to dose, if you are consistent you get 'take homes' so you don't have to commute. Also, since it builds up in your system you can miss a dose or two before you start to feel WDs, so that is a fail safe.
Suboxone works instantly, and I had more success with this. You let it dissolve under your tongue and it kicks in and you are good to go for the day. Problem with these are they taste like absolute shit, and they are a hassle to get prescribed from what I understand. I would always have a few on hand for a rainy day.
The withdrawal from methadone is much, much worse than suboxone. Both suck because they have a longer half-life (compared to dope WDs it is more mild but prolonged), but I'd rather kick subs over methadone. Hell I'd rather kick gear over methadone. Yeah it sucks but just medicate yourself heavily and the worst of it is over in 3-4 days.
HTH..
When I was a young kid,this black kid I hung out withs mother had a bottle of an orange liquid in the fridge.
I asked my buddy what it was and he told me it was Methadone.............th is was way back in the late 1960`s.......I`m assuming they didn`t invent the wafers yet at that time.
My cousin had a $700.00 a day heroin habit,she robbed and fucked anyone for a fix for many years,and turned into a rat for the cops................brok en jaw was just one of her rewards for dropping a dime on people.
Fuck that noise,you have nothing going for you even if you begin or call yourself a casual loser as it always progresses,and never lessens.
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Amen wes, wasted most of my 20s living an ALL DRUGS lifestyle, and I've never once geared up so you know where I'm going with that.
I'm 28, time to shape up cuz it isn't too late.
The game aint over
The sun is shining
... and it ain't over
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Amen wes, wasted most of my 20s living an ALL DRUGS lifestyle, and I've never once geared up so you know where I'm going with that.
I'm 28, time to shape up cuz it isn't too late.
The game aint over
The sun is shining
... and it ain't over
It`s never over brother,only if you totally give up on yourself.
I used to get drunk and high daily for 33 years off and on.............WTF was I thinking ???
Hang in, and stay strong and live well dude! ;)
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best thread on GB in a long time.
Hoping all you bros pull through.
but keep posting stories ;D
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single women get depressed when they're not attracting men as much as they used to. so they turn to drugs...
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Nice work ESF. Real nice.
Heroin is the beast.
Life has taken me down many long strange streets. Heroin has often been there- luckily I never turned and walked down that particular street. Many friends did. Several enemies did as well. Alcohol, nicotine, meth, coke... sure they can be tough to beat. Heroin laughs at those drugs.
Heroin's the beast.
The biggest problem I had with heroin was it's ridiculously steep dose/response curve. A little too much heroin is way too much heroin. Which thankfully is the reason I tried heroin about four times. Waking up in a tub packed with ice and then throwing up fifty-six times isn't my idea of a good party.
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Some hard hitting horror stories in this thread.
They should be enough to put anyone off trying Heroin.
Well done & good luck to those off H & those getting off.
I'm very glad I never went down that road.
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Coming off Roxys now... Been prescribed for over a year now, made decision myself to get off, I know it's going to be ugly for while, but anyone know how long the PAWS will be on a 200-300 mg daily dose? This thread gives me a lot of respect for some members and more desire to get through this...
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Coming off Roxys now... Been prescribed for over a year now, made decision myself to get off, I know it's going to be ugly for while, but anyone know how long the PAWS will be on a 200-300 mg daily dose? This thread gives me a lot of respect for some members and more desire to get through this...
I kicked oxies before using something less potent short half life. I would get around 30 vicoden and use them to just take the edge off. Space them out over 10-14 days last few days just take a half. After that in would get some real good bud. Real high quality. Take a small hit here and there. Gets you through the paws. No doctor will ever tell you to do that but it works.
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I kicked oxies before using something less potent short half life. I would get around 30 vicoden and use them to just take the edge off. Space them out over 10-14 days last few days just take a half. After that in would get some real good bud. Real high quality. Take a small hit here and there. Gets you through the paws. No doctor will ever tell you to do that but it works.
Yep. Take drugs to withdraw from drugs. Make sense. If only doctors knew this.
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I agree that you shouldn't jump off straight to nothing like that. Either lower the dose over time or find a weaker substitute to take the edge off for the interim. There are some OTC medications that help, if you truly have no other recourse. Try loperamide (immodium). Take a high dose of it, like 20-30 pills. Loperamide is an opiate and it will seriously eliminate most WD symptoms in a high enough dose. Most doctors will give you a hard time about prescribing any narcotics if you explain that you are trying to kick the habit, BUT most will prescribe catapress to help. This is a blood pressure drug and it helps because many of the worst WD symptoms are a direct result of the high blood pressure you get while kicking. Other drugs you might have laying around that you didn't know could help are trazadone/remeron/seroquel for sleep, and tramadol is a weaker painkiller that takes most of the edge off as well. Also see if you can get neurontin/gabapentin/lyrica. In a moderate dose this takes care of all symptoms. I'm not suggesting benzos if you are past the acute period.
I'm not saying pick up another habit as alluded to by Raymondo, and note that some of the recommendations I made are still opiates, but nowhere in the league of even vicodin, let alone roxy. The point is weaning yourself off so that you actually stick to it.
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Hey it works. You need some will power though. It worked for me and several others I know.
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Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?
I think u need to find some new girls.thats fucked up.
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Dude,you should hit detox,then a rehab,then a halfway house,then NA meetings ................those are the things that helped me immensely.
Of course I had the desire to quit as my life was a nightmare,but yours sounds much worse.
Good luck bro,I mean that sincerely..........nobod y should just exist............start living again.
Yep x100
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I think u need to find some new girls.thats fucked up.
This .
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Yep. Take drugs to withdraw from drugs. Make sense. If only doctors knew this.
Docs know the chances of someone with a long term habit getting off and staying off is ridiculously low so they just put them on substitution treatment (methadone etc). And the ones who succeed are likely still on some prescribed psych drugs for life even if not narcotics.
Docs prescribe drugs, that's their job :D
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Docs know the chances of someone with a long term habit getting off and staying off is ridiculously low so they just put them on substitution treatment (methadone etc). And the ones who succeed are likely still on some prescribed psych drugs for life even if not narcotics.
Docs prescribe drugs, that's their job :D
I meant rec drugs- where I live we call the other kind medication :D
If drugs were legal, then prescribing heroin to quit heroin would be a more sensible approach. With controlled purity levels, withdrawing would be a simple matter of tapering the dose. When they put you on methadone you stay on it for the long term.
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I meant rec drugs- where I live we call the other kind medication :D
If drugs were legal, then prescribing heroin to quit heroin would be a more sensible approach. With controlled purity levels, withdrawing would be a simple matter of tapering the dose. When they put you on methadone you stay on it for the long term.
you might be on to something
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I meant rec drugs- where I live we call the other kind medication :D
If drugs were legal, then prescribing heroin to quit heroin would be a more sensible approach. With controlled purity levels, withdrawing would be a simple matter of tapering the dose. When they put you on methadone you stay on it for the long term.
I'm pretty positive they have tried the pharma heroin long term in some countries, Switzerland and Denmark maybe?
And I mean why not, methadone is the same fucking thing, just a less terrible sounding name (kind of like SARMs vs Anabolic Steroids, same shit but one name doesn't carry the baggage). I doubt "tapering" works that well, they stay on permanently because almost no one ever manages to go clean.
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Jesus ESF you are a crazy fucker. Back in the day I was able to get those blue 80 mg oxies. They became my life for about a year. I spent so much fucking money it was crazy. In the beginning I could take a tiny little piece of the 80 snort it and feel magical all day. It was the most intense euphoria you could ever imagine. I loved my life when I had oxies it was beautiful. Training was amazing sex was amazing work was amazing everyone was amazing.
A year later your life is destroyed. Every one hates you because you have become a junky loser. You need to mainline every couple hours. You look like shit. Life just becomes bad. It's a nightmare. Your tolerance skyrockets. The shit was just so expensive. I had to resort to buying methadone wafers from people.
Literally have the same story...good to know I'm not alone!
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Man, I'm almost without words. Some of you have been through so much and some are still going through the fire as I type this.
God bless all of you!
Addiction is so powerful and naive folks like myself can't appreciate what some of y'all have experienced. Would be arrogant of me to presume that I understand it all.
I sincerely pray that the Lord burden your hearts for him and know that regardless of your beliefs deliverance from addiction is possible in him. Despite my overwhelming ignorance in this thread topic, I can say what I just did with certainty.
Again, I love y'all with a love grounded in Christ and pray that God blesses all of you that are struggling or have struggled with these circumstances.
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Damn, Ive never even smoked weed once.
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Damn, Ive never even smoked weed once.
Me neither. Never understood the desire to. Nor do I know any girls 20-30 that take heroin. I must be strange.
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Me neither. Never understood the desire to. Nor do I know any girls 20-30 that take heroin. I must be strange.
Same here. I guess we lead pretty boring lives. :) :)
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Me neither. Never understood the desire to. Nor do I know any girls 20-30 that take heroin. I must be strange.
2x
Same here.
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I've never smoked weed either, but I have been around a lot of people who have done lots of drugs. I guess it's because I lived a boring life until I got divorced.
So peer pressure was nothing when I was around it.
No one has ever even tried to press me into doing anything. It just doesn't work like that.
2x
Same here.
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Damn, Ive never even smoked weed once.
Do you live in a monastery? :)
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For all you guys on this thread with addiction problems I wish you nothing but the best. I have seen it with my own brother, which indirectly lead to his death 3 years ago.... Stay strong.
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I agree that you shouldn't jump off straight to nothing like that. Either lower the dose over time or find a weaker substitute to take the edge off for the interim. There are some OTC medications that help, if you truly have no other recourse. Try loperamide (immodium). Take a high dose of it, like 20-30 pills. Loperamide is an opiate and it will seriously eliminate most WD symptoms in a high enough dose. Most doctors will give you a hard time about prescribing any narcotics if you explain that you are trying to kick the habit, BUT most will prescribe catapress to help. This is a blood pressure drug and it helps because many of the worst WD symptoms are a direct result of the high blood pressure you get while kicking. Other drugs you might have laying around that you didn't know could help are trazadone/remeron/seroquel for sleep, and tramadol is a weaker painkiller that takes most of the edge off as well. Also see if you can get neurontin/gabapentin/lyrica. In a moderate dose this takes care of all symptoms. I'm not suggesting benzos if you are past the acute period.
I'm not saying pick up another habit as alluded to by Raymondo, and note that some of the recommendations I made are still opiates, but nowhere in the league of even vicodin, let alone roxy. The point is weaning yourself off so that you actually stick to it.
30 Immodimum AD a day is helping me through the worst! Thank u so much
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30 Immodimum AD a day is helping me through the worst! Thank u so much
Awesome dude! Hang in there.
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For all you guys on this thread with addiction problems I wish you nothing but the best. I have seen it with my own brother, which indirectly lead to his death 3 years ago.... Stay strong.
god bless