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It's not radical Muslims at all. Ready for this?
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260210-sanders-doubles-down-climate-change-causes-terrorism
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Did he say this after his mid afternoon nap and before his 4:00 dinner at applebees?
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LOL @ anyone paying attention to this fringe candidate, down 20, 25 points and plummeting.
Why not use your energy on Hilary, the actual candidate?
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LOL @ anyone paying attention to this fringe candidate, down 20, 25 points and plummeting.
Easy, that's TA's boy right there.
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Easy, that's TA's boy right there.
bernie is too old, clumsy and unattractive to win the nomination.
If Jon Stewart came out with the EXACT positions, he's be wrecking hilary right now. If Harrison Ford ran with bernie's positions, he'd be enjoying a tie or small lead.
But it's a visual society. And bernie looks like shit. Nothing against him, but he looks a mess in a world where you need a full head of hair and decent jawline to win the nomination.
The last bald prez was.... 1950s before everyone had a TV, right?
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LOL @ anyone paying attention to this fringe candidate, down 20, 25 points and plummeting.
Why not use your energy on Hilary, the actual candidate?
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Don't be a moron.
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Don't be a moron.
Hey, bernie wants to spend 18 tril to fix everything. I Like that more than Trump spending $12 tril to give the wealthy a tax break.
I'm not really shitting on his ideas - because I think thanks to the shallow nature of our selfie society, a person with sanders' appearance could never win. It's not right, but it's the reality. The best thing Bernie could have done... find some young state senator with incredible dimples and clever wit, taught him 100% of everything, and run as his VP/puppetmaster.
it's not fair, but it's the world in which we live. I dont really partake in bernie debates because I see him as completely unelectable due to appearance, thanks to generation selfie here in the USA>.
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It's not radical Muslims at all. Ready for this?
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260210-sanders-doubles-down-climate-change-causes-terrorism
Major Research Studies And Experts Back Up Sanders' Assessment That Climate Change Played Direct Role In Syrian Crisis
Study In National Academy Of Sciences Journal: Climate Change Likely Worsened Syrian Drought, Which Helped Cause Civil War. A study from scientists at the University of California, Santa Barbara and Columbia University published in the scientific journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), detailed the likely role climate change played in catalyzing civil unrest in Syria. The authors determined that climate change significantly increased the likelihood of a severe drought like the one that afflicted the region from 2007 to 2010, which was "the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers." The study found that human-induced climate change made a drought of such severity and persistence "2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone," and concluded that "human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict." From the study's abstract:
There is evidence that the 2007−2010 drought contributed to the conflict in Syria. It was the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers. Century-long observed trends in precipitation, temperature, and sea-level pressure, supported by climate model results, strongly suggest that anthropogenic forcing has increased the probability of severe and persistent droughts in this region, and made the occurrence of a 3-year drought as severe as that of 2007−2010 2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone. We conclude that human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict. [Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 1/30/15]
Pacific Institute Study: "Climate Variability And Change" Played A Role In Causing Syria's Civil War. A 2014 study published in the American Meteorological Society journal Weather, Climate and Society by Pacific Institute President Peter Gleick found that climate change played a role -- among other interrelated factors -- in sparking Syria's civil war. From the study's abstract:
The devastating civil war that began in Syria in March 2011 is the result of complex interrelated factors. The focus of the conflict is regime change, but the triggers include a broad set of religious and sociopolitical factors, the erosion of the economic health of the country, a wave of political reform sweeping over the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) and Levant region, and challenges associated with climate variability and change and the availability and use of freshwater. As described here, water and climatic conditions have played a direct role in the deterioration of Syria's economic conditions. [Weather, Climate and Society, July 2014]
Foreign Policy Expert William Polk: Climate Impacts Led To "Extreme Poverty" That Sparked Syrian Civil War. William Polk, a veteran foreign policy consultant, wrote in The Atlantic:
Syria has been convulsed by civil war since climate change came to Syria with a vengeance. Drought devastated the country from 2006 to 2011. Rainfall in most of the country fell below eight inches (20 cm) a year, the absolute minimum needed to sustain un-irrigated farming. Desperate for water, farmers began to tap aquifers with tens of thousands of new well. But, as
they did, the water table quickly dropped to a level below which their pumps could lift it.
[USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]
[USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]
In some areas, all agriculture ceased. In others crop failures reached 75%. And generally as much as 85% of livestock died of thirst or hunger. Hundreds of thousands of Syria's farmers gave up, abandoned their farms and fled to the cities and towns in search of almost non-existent jobs and severely short food supplies. Outside observers including UN experts estimated that between 2 and 3 million of Syria's 10 million rural inhabitants were reduced to "extreme poverty."
So tens of thousands of frightened, angry, hungry and impoverished former farmers ... constituted a "tinder" that was ready to catch fire. The spark was struck on March 15, 2011 when a relatively small group gathered in the town of Daraa to protest against government failure to help them. Instead of meeting with the protestors and at least hearing their complaints, the government cracked down on them as subversives. The Assads, who had ruled the country since 1971, were not known for political openness or popular sensitivity. And their action backfired. Riots broke out all over the country, As they did, the Assads attempted to quell them with military force. They failed to do so and, as outside help -- money from the Gulf states and Muslim "freedom fighters" from the rest of the world -- poured into the country, the government lost control over 30% of the country's rural areas and perhaps half of its population. By the spring of 2013, according to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), upwards of 100,000 people had been killed in the fighting, perhaps 2 million have lost their homes and upwards of 2 million have fled abroad. Additionally, vast amounts of infrastructure, virtually whole cities like Aleppo, have been destroyed. [The Atlantic, 9/2/13]
Experts And Authorities State That Syrian Civil War Led To Rise Of ISIL
President Obama: ISIL Gained Prominence In Syria By Taking Advantage Of Civil War. In a statement about the United States' response to ISIL, President Obama said that ISIL, which was "formerly al Qaeda's affiliate in Iraq," has "taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria's civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border." [Whitehouse.gov, 9/10/14]
Council on Foreign Relations: "Syria's 2011 Uprising Helped In The Islamic State's Expansion." In a backgrounder on the Islamic State, yet another name for ISIL/ISIS, the Council on Foreign Relations stated:
Sunni disenfranchisement in both Iraq and Syria created a vacuum that the Islamic State has exploited ... In Syria, a civil war erupted in 2011 pitting the ruling minority Alawis, a Shia offshoot, against the primarily Sunni opposition, spawning sectarian violence.
[...]
Syria's 2011 uprising helped in the Islamic State's expansion. [Council on Foreign Relations, updated 5/18/15]
Foreign Affairs: ISIS "Took Advantage" Of Chaos In Syria To Seize Territory, Establish Base Of Operations, And Rebrand Itself As ISIS. An article published in international relations journal Foreign Affairs explained how ISIS "took advantage" of the chaos as Syria devolved into a civil war:
In 2011, as a revolt against the Assad regime in Syria expanded into a full-blown civil war, the group took advantage of the chaos, seizing territory in Syria's northeast, establishing a base of operations, and rebranding itself as ISIS. [Foreign Affairs, March/April 2015]
Vox: Syrian Civil War "Benefited ISIS Tremendously." A Vox explainer noted that "ISIS predated the Syrian Civil War," but that while "ISIS did not grow out of the Syrian rebellion: it took advantage of it." The explainer continued:
Now, it's true the war in Syria benefited ISIS tremendously. It allowed ISIS to get battlefield experience, attracted a ton of financial support from Gulf states and private donors looking to oust Assad, and gave it a crucial safe haven in eastern Syria. ISIS also absorbed a lot of recruits from Syrian rebel groups -- illustrating, incidentally, why arming the "good" Syrian rebels probably wouldn't have destroyed ISIS. [Vox, accessed 7/21/15]
Major Military Reports Broadly Connect Climate Change To National Security
DOD Quadrennial Defense Review Considers Climate Change A "Threat Multiplier." The Department of Defense's 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review, which analyzes military threats, highlighted how extreme weather, increased food prices, and water scarcity -- all impacts of climate change -- aggravate existing social stressors that can "enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence":
Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions -- conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence. [Department of Defense, Quadrennial Defense Review, March 2014]
Center for Naval Analyses: Climate Change Serves As "Catalyst For Conflict." The Center for Naval Analyses (CNA) -- a government-funded military research organization -- published a report in May 2014 on how the accelerating risks of climate change will impact national security. The New York Times summarized the report's findings:
The CNA Corporation Military Advisory Board found that climate change-induced drought in the Middle East and Africa is leading to conflicts over food and water and escalating longstanding regional and ethnic tensions into violent clashes. The report also found that rising sea levels are putting people and food supplies in vulnerable coastal regions like eastern India, Bangladesh and the Mekong Delta in Vietnam at risk and could lead to a new wave of refugees. In addition, the report predicted that an increase in catastrophic weather events around the world will create more demand for American troops, even as flooding and extreme weather events at home could damage naval ports and military bases. [Center for Naval Analyses: National Security and the Accelerating Risks of Climate Change, May 2014; The New York Times, 5/13/14]
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Major Research Studies And Experts Back Up Sanders' Assessment That Climate Change Played Direct Role In Syrian Crisis
Study In National Academy Of Sciences Journal: Climate Change Likely Worsened Syrian Drought, Which Helped Cause Civil War. A study from scientists at the University of California, Santa Barbara and Columbia University published in the scientific journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), detailed the likely role climate change played in catalyzing civil unrest in Syria. The authors determined that climate change significantly increased the likelihood of a severe drought like the one that afflicted the region from 2007 to 2010, which was "the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers." The study found that human-induced climate change made a drought of such severity and persistence "2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone," and concluded that "human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict." From the study's abstract:
There is evidence that the 2007−2010 drought contributed to the conflict in Syria. It was the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers. Century-long observed trends in precipitation, temperature, and sea-level pressure, supported by climate model results, strongly suggest that anthropogenic forcing has increased the probability of severe and persistent droughts in this region, and made the occurrence of a 3-year drought as severe as that of 2007−2010 2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone. We conclude that human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict. [Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 1/30/15]
Pacific Institute Study: "Climate Variability And Change" Played A Role In Causing Syria's Civil War. A 2014 study published in the American Meteorological Society journal Weather, Climate and Society by Pacific Institute President Peter Gleick found that climate change played a role -- among other interrelated factors -- in sparking Syria's civil war. From the study's abstract:
The devastating civil war that began in Syria in March 2011 is the result of complex interrelated factors. The focus of the conflict is regime change, but the triggers include a broad set of religious and sociopolitical factors, the erosion of the economic health of the country, a wave of political reform sweeping over the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) and Levant region, and challenges associated with climate variability and change and the availability and use of freshwater. As described here, water and climatic conditions have played a direct role in the deterioration of Syria's economic conditions. [Weather, Climate and Society, July 2014]
Foreign Policy Expert William Polk: Climate Impacts Led To "Extreme Poverty" That Sparked Syrian Civil War. William Polk, a veteran foreign policy consultant, wrote in The Atlantic:
Syria has been convulsed by civil war since climate change came to Syria with a vengeance. Drought devastated the country from 2006 to 2011. Rainfall in most of the country fell below eight inches (20 cm) a year, the absolute minimum needed to sustain un-irrigated farming. Desperate for water, farmers began to tap aquifers with tens of thousands of new well. But, as
they did, the water table quickly dropped to a level below which their pumps could lift it.
[USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]
[USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]
In some areas, all agriculture ceased. In others crop failures reached 75%. And generally as much as 85% of livestock died of thirst or hunger. Hundreds of thousands of Syria's farmers gave up, abandoned their farms and fled to the cities and towns in search of almost non-existent jobs and severely short food supplies. Outside observers including UN experts estimated that between 2 and 3 million of Syria's 10 million rural inhabitants were reduced to "extreme poverty."
So tens of thousands of frightened, angry, hungry and impoverished former farmers ... constituted a "tinder" that was ready to catch fire. The spark was struck on March 15, 2011 when a relatively small group gathered in the town of Daraa to protest against government failure to help them. Instead of meeting with the protestors and at least hearing their complaints, the government cracked down on them as subversives. The Assads, who had ruled the country since 1971, were not known for political openness or popular sensitivity. And their action backfired. Riots broke out all over the country, As they did, the Assads attempted to quell them with military force. They failed to do so and, as outside help -- money from the Gulf states and Muslim "freedom fighters" from the rest of the world -- poured into the country, the government lost control over 30% of the country's rural areas and perhaps half of its population. By the spring of 2013, according to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), upwards of 100,000 people had been killed in the fighting, perhaps 2 million have lost their homes and upwards of 2 million have fled abroad. Additionally, vast amounts of infrastructure, virtually whole cities like Aleppo, have been destroyed. [The Atlantic, 9/2/13]
Experts And Authorities State That Syrian Civil War Led To Rise Of ISIL
President Obama: ISIL Gained Prominence In Syria By Taking Advantage Of Civil War. In a statement about the United States' response to ISIL, President Obama said that ISIL, which was "formerly al Qaeda's affiliate in Iraq," has "taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria's civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border." [Whitehouse.gov, 9/10/14]
Council on Foreign Relations: "Syria's 2011 Uprising Helped In The Islamic State's Expansion." In a backgrounder on the Islamic State, yet another name for ISIL/ISIS, the Council on Foreign Relations stated:
Sunni disenfranchisement in both Iraq and Syria created a vacuum that the Islamic State has exploited ... In Syria, a civil war erupted in 2011 pitting the ruling minority Alawis, a Shia offshoot, against the primarily Sunni opposition, spawning sectarian violence.
[...]
Syria's 2011 uprising helped in the Islamic State's expansion. [Council on Foreign Relations, updated 5/18/15]
Foreign Affairs: ISIS "Took Advantage" Of Chaos In Syria To Seize Territory, Establish Base Of Operations, And Rebrand Itself As ISIS. An article published in international relations journal Foreign Affairs explained how ISIS "took advantage" of the chaos as Syria devolved into a civil war:
In 2011, as a revolt against the Assad regime in Syria expanded into a full-blown civil war, the group took advantage of the chaos, seizing territory in Syria's northeast, establishing a base of operations, and rebranding itself as ISIS. [Foreign Affairs, March/April 2015]
Vox: Syrian Civil War "Benefited ISIS Tremendously." A Vox explainer noted that "ISIS predated the Syrian Civil War," but that while "ISIS did not grow out of the Syrian rebellion: it took advantage of it." The explainer continued:
Now, it's true the war in Syria benefited ISIS tremendously. It allowed ISIS to get battlefield experience, attracted a ton of financial support from Gulf states and private donors looking to oust Assad, and gave it a crucial safe haven in eastern Syria. ISIS also absorbed a lot of recruits from Syrian rebel groups -- illustrating, incidentally, why arming the "good" Syrian rebels probably wouldn't have destroyed ISIS. [Vox, accessed 7/21/15]
Major Military Reports Broadly Connect Climate Change To National Security
DOD Quadrennial Defense Review Considers Climate Change A "Threat Multiplier." The Department of Defense's 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review, which analyzes military threats, highlighted how extreme weather, increased food prices, and water scarcity -- all impacts of climate change -- aggravate existing social stressors that can "enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence":
Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions -- conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence. [Department of Defense, Quadrennial Defense Review, March 2014]
Center for Naval Analyses: Climate Change Serves As "Catalyst For Conflict." The Center for Naval Analyses (CNA) -- a government-funded military research organization -- published a report in May 2014 on how the accelerating risks of climate change will impact national security. The New York Times summarized the report's findings:
The CNA Corporation Military Advisory Board found that climate change-induced drought in the Middle East and Africa is leading to conflicts over food and water and escalating longstanding regional and ethnic tensions into violent clashes. The report also found that rising sea levels are putting people and food supplies in vulnerable coastal regions like eastern India, Bangladesh and the Mekong Delta in Vietnam at risk and could lead to a new wave of refugees. In addition, the report predicted that an increase in catastrophic weather events around the world will create more demand for American troops, even as flooding and extreme weather events at home could damage naval ports and military bases. [Center for Naval Analyses: National Security and the Accelerating Risks of Climate Change, May 2014; The New York Times, 5/13/14]
I can get a bit tetchy when I'm thirsty.
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http://climateandsecurity.org/2015/02/04/gen-petraeus-climate-change-remains-a-threat/
Gen. Petraeus: Climate change remains a threat
"David H. Petraeus press briefing 2007" by Robert D. Ward
“David H. Petraeus press briefing 2007” by Robert D. Ward
In an recent opinion piece in the Washington Post, “America on the way up,” Gen. David H. Petraeus, USA (Ret.) and Michael O’Hanlon with the Brookings Institution, make the case that the 21st Century could be the North American Century. From the article:
The United States is, in fact, better positioned than any other country for the next 20 to 30 years — and, very likely, beyond. Together with Canada and Mexico, the United States also enjoys mutually reinforcing sources of competitive advantages in geopolitics, demographics, energy and natural resources, manufacturing and industrial competitiveness and, above all, innovation and technology. If the 20th century was the American Century, the 21st is poised to be the North American Century.
That is the good news for North America. However, Gen. Petraeus and O’Hanlon also go on to point out that there remain a number of threats, like climate change, that will continue to present challenges to this vision.
There is, of course, much that the United States needs to do….Beyond that, our infrastructure — which is central to future productivity gains — needs major improvement. And, of course, climate changes remain a threat, as do Islamic extremist groups and Iran, as well as Russia.
Gen. Petraeus and O’Hanlon are right. Climate change remains a threat. But they are also correct in recognizing that American leadership in addressing this threat, along with other risks to international security, will be critical in terms of realizing the opportunities inherent in a 21st century world.
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http://climateandsecurity.org/2013/02/26/38-national-security-leaders-urge-action-on-international-climate-change-initiatives/
38 National Security Leaders Urge Action on International Climate Change Initiatives
Psa2The Partnership for a Secure America released an impressive statement yesterday, signed by 38 of the nation’s national security leaders, calling on the United States to recognize the security risks of climate change and invest in solutions to mitigating those risks. From the statement:
We, the undersigned Republicans, Democrats and Independents, implore U.S. policymakers to support American security and global stability by addressing the risks of climate change in vulnerable nations.
The statement was officially launched at an event on Capitol Hill yesterday, where R. James Woolsey, CIA Director from 1993 – 1995, and former Senator Wayne Gilchrist (R – MD), discussed the issues addressed in the statement. The signatories represent an impressive range of experience, expertise and political affiliation. From PSA’s description:
Signatories include seventeen former Senators and Congress members, nine retired generals and admirals, both the Chair and Vice Chair of the 9/11 Commission, and Cabinet and Cabinet-level officials from the Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (41), Clinton, and Bush (43) administrations.
Another of the statement’s signatories, Tom Ridge (R-PA), Assistant to the President for Homeland Security from 2001-2003, Secretary of Homeland Security from 2003-2005, and former governor of Pennsylvania, told Pennsylvania’s Patriot News:
The U.S. national security community, including leaders from the military, homeland security, and intelligence, understand that climate change is a national security threat… They’re not talking about whether or not it is occurring – it is… They’re talking about addressing the problem and protecting the American people. It’s time Washington does the same.
In short, this is neither a special interest nor a partisan issue – it’s a matter of national security. Doing something about it should be a given.
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Now I'm convinced. Hahahahaha
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Now I'm convinced. Hahahahaha
You are nothing but a fucking dumbass anyways. You don't matter. I would rather trust the National Security experts. At least the CIA, NSA and Military are all on the same page with Bernie.
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http://climateandsecurity.org/2012/11/28/the-toledo-blade-military-leaders-take-climate-change-seriously-and-so-should-policy-makers/
The Toledo Blade: Military Leaders Take Climate Change Seriously and So Should Policy-Makers
Ohio’s Toledo Blade published an editorial this past Monday on “Climate and security” which highlights the National Research Council’s recently released report “Climate and Social Stress: Implications for Security Analysis,” which was commissioned by the CIA. The editorial stresses the need for policy-makers to act on climate change, emphasizing the implications of inaction for the U.S. military, and stability in vulnerable regions of the world. From the editorial:
The report warns military leaders to expect turmoil if abnormal climate patterns allow extremist groups to gain a stronger foothold in the parched Middle East, starved regions of Africa, and other historically unstable parts of the world.
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Some military leaders, including a former head of Central Command, warn that the United States will “pay the price later in military terms” if it postpones action now.
The former head of Central Command that the editorial refers to is four-star General Anthony Zinni, USMC (Ret.), who made the comments in an influential report prepared by CNA’s Military Advisory Board titled “National Security and the Threat of Climate Change.”
In short, the U.S. military is taking climate change very seriously, and civilian policy-makers in the United States should follow suit.
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coach says his kid wants to get into the coast guard
turns out the coast guard is mandated to deal with climate threats
he needs to make up a new story about his kid that doesn't include the coast guard
any ideas?
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Now I'm convinced. Hahahahaha
please tell us why each of these ideas is wrong.
Dont just laugh, explain why we should run from ideas like "massive drought in Syria led to greater terrorist numbers". Is TA wrong that the numbers are up? Or do you think they're completely unrelated?
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bernie is too old, clumsy and unattractive to win the nomination.
If Jon Stewart came out with the EXACT positions, he's be wrecking hilary right now. If Harrison Ford ran with bernie's positions, he'd be enjoying a tie or small lead.
But it's a visual society. And bernie looks like shit. Nothing against him, but he looks a mess in a world where you need a full head of hair and decent jawline to win the nomination.
The last bald prez was.... 1950s before everyone had a TV, right?
Hahaha funny post
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coach says his kid wants to get into the coast guard
turns out the coast guard is mandated to deal with climate threats
he needs to make up a new story about his kid that doesn't include the coast guard
any ideas?
???
ROFLMAO!
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http://climatesecurity101.org/faqs/why-do-militaries-care-about-climate-change/
Why do militaries care about climate change?
Militaries are concerned about climate change because it is their job to address all credible threats to their respective nation’s security. These threats come in forms both direct and indirect, including direct threats to military installations from sea level rise and extreme droughts, and indirect threats through the exacerbation of instability in critical regions. Climate change presents risks to three elements of military effectiveness: readiness, operations and strategy.
Readiness: Readiness refers to the ability of a military to carry out operations in a timely manner. This involves having a stable and secure military infrastructure, including bases, supplies and logistics, in order to carry out missions. Climate change effects such as sea level rise have the ability to compromise coastal military installations that are critical for such operations. Other extreme weather events, such as droughts and flooding, can also put stresses on critical military infrastructure.
Operations: Climate change effects impact military operations, whether they be war-fighting operations or humanitarian missions. For example, climate change can place significant burdens on the supply chains and logistical capacity of armed forces engaged in “theater.” Extreme drought or flooding in areas where militaries are engaged in warfighting, for example, can compromise water supply lines, and thus threaten military personnel directly. Extreme drying can also increase the likelihood of non-state actors using the seizure of water resources as leverage against populations and adversaries. An increase in the frequency and intensity of natural disasters may also put strains on the capacity of armed forces to deliver humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR).
Strategy: Climate change can impact military strategy through increasing the possibility of destabilizing conditions in strategically-significant regions of the world. In the Arctic, a melting ice cap, coupled with increasing tensions between Russia and other Arctic nations, could increase the likelihood of conflict. In the Middle East and North Africa, climate change effects on water security may increase the probability of instability in the future. In Central Asia, increases in glacial melt and flooding, coupled with existing security dynamics (such as terrorism and nuclear materials proliferation), can create a volatile mix. In the broader Asia-Pacific region, rainfall variability will interact with a growing urban and coastal population, as well as an increasing demand for energy, to present enormous challenges to security in this increasingly important part of the world. Migrating fish stocks in the South China Sea may create pressures on the fishing industry to move into contested water, leading to increased tensions between China, its neighbors and the United States. These risks can increase the likelihood of militaries being called on to resolve conflicts, or provide post-conflict assistance. All of these dynamics will put stresses and strains on military strategies.
Read more:
2015: Be Prepared: Climate Change, Security and Australia’s Defence Force, Climate Council
2015: El Nino: Potential Asia Pacific Impacts: U.S. Pacific Command
2015: National Security Implications of Climate-Related Risks and a Changing Climate, U.S. Department of Defense
2014: Department of Defense Strategic Sustainability Performance Plan FY2014: Department of Defense
2014: Climate Change Adaptation Roadmap, U.S. Department of Defense
2014: National Security and the Accelerating Risks of Climate Change, CNA Corporation
2014: Quadrennial Defense Review, U.S. Department of Defense
2014: US Navy Arctic Roadmap: U.S. Department of the Navy
2014: Environmental and Energy Issues for the Military. Environment and Energy Security for the Americas, Military Resiliency and Readiness. Environmental and Energy Collaboration Group (EECG)
2013: US Coast Guard Arctic Strategy, U.S. Coast Guard
2013: SERDP, Assessing Impacts of Climate Change on Coastal Military Installations: Policy Implications
2013: 2013 Addendum to the FY2012 Climate Change Adaptation Roadmap: Department of Defense
2013: Arctic Strategy: Department of Defense
2013: NATO Centre of Excellence for Crisis Management and Disaster Response: Conference Details, “Visualizing Implications Of Climate Change On Military Activities And Relationships”
2013: Australian Government: Strong and Secure – A Strategy for Australia’s National Security
2013: The Global Security Defense Index on Climate Change Preliminary Results: National Security Perspectives on Climate Change from Around the World. Holland, A. and Vagg, X.
2013: Planning for Complex Risks: Environmental Change, Energy Security and the Minerva Initiative. Briggs, Chad.
2012: Department of Defense FY 2012 Climate Change Adaptation Roadmap: Department of Defense
2012: Department of Defense Strategic Sustainability and Performance Plan FY2012: Department of Defense
2011-2012: Key Strategic Issues List: U.S. Army War College
2011: Department of Defense Strategic Sustainability Performance Plan FY2011: Department of Defense
2011: Incorporating Sea Level Change Considerations in Civil Works Programs: U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
2011: Defense Science Board Task Force Report: Trends and Implications of Climate Change for National and International Security: Department of Defense
2011: The National Military Strategy of the United States of America: Redefining America’s Military Leadership: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
2011: National Security Implications of Climate Change for U.S. Naval Forces: Naval Studies Board, Division on Engineering and Physical Sciences
2010: Quadrennial Defense Review Report: Department of Defense
2010: The Joint Operating Environment, Ready for Today, Preparing for Tomorrow: United States Joint Forces Command
2010: Climate Change Impacts and AFRICOM: A Briefing Note: Institute for Defense Analyses, Christine Youngblut
2010: Organization for Security Co-operation in Europe (OSCE): Shifting Bases, Shifting Perils: A Scoping Study on Security Implications of Climate Change in the OSCE Region and Beyond
2010: U.S. Navy Climate Change Road Map: Task Force Climate Change, Department of the Navy
2009: US Navy Arctic Roadmap: U.S. Department of the Navy
2009: Taking Up the Security Challenge of Climate Change: U.S. Army War College
2009: Climate Change Effects: Issues for International and US National Security: Institute for Defense Analyses, Christine Youngblut
2008: The National Security Strategy of the United Kingdom: Security in an interdependent world
2008: National Defense Strategy: Department of Defense
2007: A Cooperative Strategy for 21st Century Sea Power: Department of the Navy, the Marine Corps and the Coast Guard
2007: The Joint Operating Environment, Trends and Challenges for the Future Joint Force Through 2030: United States Joint Forces Command
2007: National Security and the Threat of Climate Change: Center for Naval Analysis
2003: An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security: Pentagon Office of Net Assessments
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Hahaha funny post
its true tho. Romney was an anti-gun liberal governor that WROTE obamacare. Yet he looked like a president cast in a movie. ron paul was a constitution-wosrhipping fiscal conservative that looked like a troll... no chance.
repubs saw 'president trump' on the simpsons, 20 years ago. Bernie sanders looks like the crazy inventor doc from 'back to the future'
it's not right, but it's reality. dick cheney achieved ultimate power by realizing he was too bald and ugly to run for POTUS... so he got behind a dude that looked presidential with a presidential name (dubya) and steered him, riding his coat tails.
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Militaries are concerned about climate change because it is their job to address all credible threats to their respective nation’s security. These threats come in forms both direct and indirect, including direct threats to military installations from sea level rise and extreme droughts, and indirect threats through the exacerbation of instability in critical regions.
I do'nt buy into manmade global warming - BUT these are 100% correct. however a drought got there - once it is there, it does lead to more desperate people who are a greater threat.
dont expect those who believe the earth is 6000 years old and carson is an honest man, to even undertstand this.
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Wasted bandwidth. If you actually read/understood/believed all that shit, you'd just summarize it in your own words.
Silly guy.
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Wasted bandwidth. If you actually read/understood/believed all that shit, you'd just summarize it in your own words.
Silly guy.
???
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Coach is in over his head so he will just pop in here and call me fat and deem that a success :D
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Bernie's weather never changes - thick black Tornado, white rain and his wife drinking his tears. :(
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It's not radical Muslims at all. Ready for this?
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/260210-sanders-doubles-down-climate-change-causes-terrorism
there is no such thing as climate change
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Yea, if a region's climate changes amd it destabilizes the region that WILL lead to terrorism.
People are starving or lose their homes.
Poor amd frustrated.
Use religion and politics to vent their anger.
Western nations are an easy target and enemy for them.
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Yea, if a region's climate changes amd it destabilizes the region that WILL lead to terrorism.
People are starving or lose their homes.
Poor amd frustrated.
Use religion and politics to vent their anger.
Western nations are an easy target and enemy for them.
The Muslims have been invading or fighting within their ranks for the last 1000 years. Why does the west have to always find some absurd excuse?
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I have to go with Adam on this one. After all, he was the "Chief Biological Science Advisor" to a major presidential candidate (Mike Gravel). You don't get a position like that without being a very, very smart boy. No doubt whoever gets elected will be calling him to fill a similarly-titled position in his or her administration. Oy vey!
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bernie is too old, clumsy and unattractive to win the nomination.
That's one man's opinion.
"1"
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coach says his kid wants to get into the coast guard
turns out the coast guard is mandated to deal with climate threats
he needs to make up a new story about his kid that doesn't include the coast guard
any ideas?
???
Wait? His son got a partial scholarship offer to the Coast Guard too? Puts Ben Carson's lies to shame!
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Did he say this after his mid afternoon nap and before his 4:00 dinner at applebees?
Guy is 74 years old. There should be an age limit on running for president.
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Guy is 74 years old. There should be an age limit on running for president.
Good idea! You can propose a constitutional amendment just as soon as you get elected to Congress.
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please tell us why each of these ideas is wrong.
Dont just laugh, explain why we should run from ideas like "massive drought in Syria led to greater terrorist numbers". Is TA wrong that the numbers are up? Or do you think they're completely unrelated?
Don't confuse him with evil science.
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Guy is 74 years old. There should be an age limit on running for president.
well, unless we're talking Reagan.
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He's right. Humans are so short sighted. Created slave race. True to form.
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Coach is in over his head so he will just pop in here and call me fat and deem that a success :D
Lol as usual. Coach posts far right wing talking point, takes tons of shit because he is just as bad as a far left goon, and then runs for cover as people much more educated and well rounded chime in. Just another day on getbig for the coach
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All garbage candidates. Hopefully the best piece of garbage gets elected.
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Admitting our actions affect climate would mean we'd have to act responsibly.
Politically: We could never agree on a workable or sustainable definition of responsible.
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I know the first thing I thought of when Jihadi John was lopping off someone's head was "climate change" or "Global warming" or whatever they want to label it this month and if they only had some rain this wouldn't happen..lol.
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I know the first thing I thought of when Jihadi John was lopping off someone's head was "climate change" or "Global warming" or whatever they want to label it this month and if they only had some rain this wouldn't happen..lol.
The terrorism connection is retarded, obviously, but what convinced you the warming science was bullshit?
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The terrorism connection is retarded, obviously, but what convinced you the warming science was bullshit?
When they try to get me to pay into it around April 15.
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When they try to get me to pay into it around April 15.
Ah.
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The terrorism connection is retarded, obviously, but what convinced you the warming science was bullshit?
Yes, because you know more than the CIA, top military Generals and advisors, the NSA and the National Academy of Sciences.
::)
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Yes, because you know more than the CIA, top military Generals and advisors, the NSA and the National Academy of Sciences.
::)
National Academy of Sciences studies terrorism?
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TA getting pissed because we're picking on his great great great feeble granddad. lol
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No one seems to be talking about how Clinton at age 69 would be the second oldest president in history.
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National Academy of Sciences studies terrorism?
Uh, yeah.
https://www.google.com/search?q=National+Academy+of+Sciences&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=National+Academy+of+Sciences+terrorism
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TA getting pissed because we're picking on his great great great feeble granddad. lol
Hey, now. Curb your enthusiasm, mister.
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I know the first thing I thought of when Jihadi John was lopping off someone's head was "climate change" or "Global warming" or whatever they want to label it this month and if they only had some rain this wouldn't happen..lol.
partial scholarship
pilot orders obama out of chopper didn't salute marine
global warming lol
I own a boat
email server was in the bathroom lmao
son
pete caroll
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Wasted bandwidth. If you actually read/understood/believed all that shit, you'd just summarize it in your own words.
Silly guy.
You read that?
Way too long. Even by my standards.
BTW, didn't we have Islamic terrorism way before this climate change thing became the be all and end all? I remember as a kid the "Munich Massacre" by the PLO during the 72 Olympics. Well, I guess it does get pretty hot in "Palestine". Then there was the hostage crisis in Iran 1979-80. I think Iran had enough water at that time.
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"You People" act like droughts are a new phenomenon. ::)
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Bernie is what I call a "Long Distance Liberal." He talks a good progressive game but keeps himself far removed from the results of these policies.
Try and find a black person in Vermont, just pack a lunch.
Here's the demographic breakdown:
Vermont's population is:[85]
50.8% female
49.2% male
Among the 50 states and the District of Columbia, Vermont ranks:
2nd highest proportion of non-Hispanic Whites (94.3%)
2nd oldest median age
41st highest proportion of Asians (1.3%)
49th highest proportion of Hispanics (1.5%)
48th highest proportion of Blacks (1.0%)
That said, Vermont is beautiful if you like trees.
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The terrorism connection is retarded, obviously, but what convinced you the warming science was bullshit?
You don't believe economic (and other conditions) conditions related to draught can make people more desperate to believe in something bigger like religion?
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You don't believe economic (and other conditions) conditions related to draught can make people more desperate to believe in something bigger like religion?
From my understanding, the Middle East has been a hot desert for quite some time. Kinda hard to blame that one on the U.S.
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From my understanding, the Middle East has been a hot desert for quite some time. Kinda hard to blame that one on the U.S.
:D
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From my understanding, the Middle East has been a hot desert for quite some time. Kinda hard to blame that one on the U.S.
are you really that dumb?
try to make a reasonable argument
sorry just totally flabbergasted by what I'm witnessing
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From my understanding, the Middle East has been a hot desert for quite some time. Kinda hard to blame that one on the U.S.
Kind of myopic to assume things couldn't have gotten worse over there. The afterlife probably looks a lot better than their current reality.
People are always looking for some bullshit to feel better, TL. Religion is something man created to cope with mortality.
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It's unbelievable
TA goes to the effort to post literally 100 sources ... rock solid sources
and you idiots have the audacity make these remarks
what planet do you live on?
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I've never seen anything like this in my life!
meldown of peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111
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for the sake of humanity don't reproduce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kind of myopic to assume things couldn't have gotten worse over there. The afterlife probably looks a lot better than their current reality.
People are always looking for some bullshit to feel better, TL. Religion is something man created to cope with mortality.
that
is the single best statement I have ever read
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It's a war against the Third World.
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TA you stupid fucking tool you believe that garbage lamao there's always a draught in the deserts. Didn't these clowns say we would all be under water now because the polar ice caps would melt? Lmao you are so stupid to believe that. What a jerk. Don't ever listen to anything This clown says again.
Climate change causes terrorism holy shit you can't make this liberal garbage up.
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TA you stupid fucking tool you believe that garbage lamao there's always a draught in the deserts you stupid idiot. Didn't these clowns say we would all be under water now because the polar ice caps would melt? Lmao you are so stupid to believe that. What a jerk. Don't ever listen to anything This clown says again.
Hot places can't get hotter?
Really?!
Read your posts before calling someone an idiot.
Predictable that no one has disputed any of the facts Adonis presented.
It's sad (in a way only older getbiggers will comprehend) that Adonis isn't the biggest dumbass here, anymore. I'm still not buying a shirt, though. :)
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Hot places can't get hotter?
Really?!
Read your posts before calling someone an idiot.
Predictable that no one has disputed any of the facts Adonis presented.
It's sad (in a way only older getbiggers will comprehend) that Adonis isn't the biggest dumbass here, anymore. I'm still not buying a shirt, though. :)
You are another idiot. I thought the polar ice caps were melting lol. What a bunch of garbage. Aren't we all suppose to be under water by now?
Climate change and taxing the shit out of the "1" percent are the only things that old piece of shit talks about. You have to be a fucking lunatic to blame droughts and hot weather on terrorism. These people have lived in the desert their whole lives.
They need to stsrt studying the mental disorder that is liberalism.
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Abeles often seems like a super troll who loves mocking folks...
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You are another idiot. I thought the polar ice caps were melting lol. What a bunch of garbage. Aren't we all suppose to be under water by now?
Climate change and taxing the shit out of the "1" percent are the only things that old piece of shit talks about. You have to be a fucking lunatic to blame droughts and hot weather on terrorism. These people have lived in the desert their whole lives.
They need to stsrt studying the mental disorder that is liberalism.
don't have children
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Global warming would be taken more seriously if it wasn't blamed for everything. Forgot, it is called climate change now. Too little fish, global warming. Too many fish, global warming. Ice caps melting, global warming. Ice growing larger, global warming. Terrorist global warming. Blizzards, global warming. Hot summer global warming. Flood of migrants from South America global warming. The list goes on and on. Also making crazy predictions, like for example AL gore almost 10 years ago saying we have 10 years before we are all doomed basically.
What I am saying is Global warming supporters have brought the doubt upon themselves by going overboard whether global warming is as bas as they say or not. On a side note, they have always been fanatical head chopping warmongering psychos in the Middle east. It sounds awful, but brutal, psycho dictators are what keep things from going completely out of control over there as they are now. There is no way to keep a bunch of religious brutal nut jobs under control without being vicious and brutal yourself.
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Good post
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Global warming would be taken more seriously if it wasn't blamed for everything. Forgot, it is called climate change now. Too little fish, global warming. Too many fish, global warming. Ice caps melting, global warming. Ice growing larger, global warming. Terrorist global warming. Blizzards, global warming. Hot summer global warming. Flood of migrants from South America global warming. The list goes on and on. Also making crazy predictions, like for example AL gore almost 10 years ago saying we have 10 years before we are all doomed basically.
What I am saying is Global warming supporters have brought the doubt upon themselves by going overboard whether global warming is as bas as they say or not. On a side note, they have always been fanatical head chopping warmongering psychos in the Middle east. It sounds awful, but brutal, psycho dictators are what keep things from going completely out of control over there as they are now. There is no way to keep a bunch of religious brutal nut jobs under control without being vicious and brutal yourself.
you can say all these things but you've simply ignored everything presented already, perhaps you missed it?
try responding to something specific for example, the fact the US NAVY doesn't agree with you.
how do you gather your information? where does it come from? Is it original research?
please share your sources. thx.
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You are another idiot. I thought the polar ice caps were melting lol. What a bunch of garbage. Aren't we all suppose to be under water by now?
Climate change and taxing the shit out of the "1" percent are the only things that old piece of shit talks about. You have to be a fucking lunatic to blame droughts and hot weather on terrorism. These people have lived in the desert their whole lives.
They need to stsrt studying the mental disorder that is liberalism. Bunch of pussies. All the male liberals I know are the biggest pussies.
I'm extremely conservative but still have brains enough to understand a little science and use some common sense.
Attack the message, not the messenger. Show me where the message is wrong and we can talk. Adonis is who he always was but there's no doubt we are affecting the environment.
It's amusing that we're so freaking comfortable in life that it's impossible to believe a shitty situation can be made shittier. We wouldn't even know where half of these shitholes were if not for terrorist attacks, LOL! It doesn't make us bad people, just Americans.
Personally: I don't believe you can kill an idea. You have to kill people who believe in an idea. It's tough to gauge how much collateral damage Americans would tolerate to maintain the status quo. You have to kill the entire support network that helped the person do a suicide bombing. I mean "entire" in the most draconian definition imaginable. We'd have to leave NATO and have no war crimes accountability. Do this enough times and whoever is left alive will be too afraid to help radicalized fundamentalists.
@spiro, they have cried wolf far too many times. I agree that the ideology driving them is left wing as all shit but there's no way to move forward without first admitting that a problem exits. We have a bunch of people who cant get past the message because the messengers are typically tree-huggers. Worse yet: A few of them are so religious that admitting any science may be true threatens their faith. There's no shortage of stupid to go around, LOL!
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there is talk by scientists that a lot of places in the middle east will be uninhabitable in the next couple decades due to the extreme heat. Didn't they record a high of 160 degrees this summer in Iran?
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there is talk by scientists that a lot of places in the middle east will be uninhabitable in the next couple decades due to the extreme heat. Didn't they record a high of 160 degrees this summer in Iran?
People will be committing suicide to get a break from the heat or get AC units for their families, LOL!
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It's unbelievable
TA goes to the effort to post literally 100 sources ... rock solid sources
and you idiots have the audacity make these remarks
what planet do you live on?
I (or someone who has the time) can probably pull up 100 sources to counter it. But since TA and 240 seem to have times on their hands I'll just let them handle it. haha
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People will be committing suicide to get a break from the heat or get AC units for their families, LOL!
Hard to run AC when power is barely available in a lot of the areas.
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You read that?
Way too long. Even by my standards.
BTW, didn't we have Islamic terrorism way before this climate change thing became the be all and end all? I remember as a kid the "Munich Massacre" by the PLO during the 72 Olympics. Well, I guess it does get pretty hot in "Palestine". Then there was the hostage crisis in Iran 1979-80. I think Iran had enough water at that time.
Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion.
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Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion.
1) the "man-made" part is bullshit, agreed.
2) Repubs look stupid when they try to extend this to completely ignore environment's influence on terrorism. yes, even if man doesn't cause drought... Drought DOES lead to higher # of terror recruits that year. Because farms dry up and there's no food/water, so kids travel and join terror gangs.
It's just a matter of being prepared. Weather leads to more or less terror recruits. Even if man doesn't cause it.
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1) the "man-made" part is bullshit, agreed.
2) Repubs look stupid when they try to extend this to completely ignore environment's influence on terrorism. yes, even if man doesn't cause drought... Drought DOES lead to higher # of terror recruits that year. Because farms dry up and there's no food/water, so kids travel and join terror gangs.
It's just a matter of being prepared. Weather leads to more or less terror recruits. Even if man doesn't cause it.
Of course. The seek out to become terrorists for a better life and job security ::)
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Hard to run AC when power is barely available in a lot of the areas.
Use solar power!
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I (or someone who has the time) can probably pull up 100 sources to counter it. But since TA and 240 seem to have times on their hands I'll just let them handle it. haha
there's huge wall of sources, you can't just gloss over it and type "hahah I'm convinced"
you've broken the record for ignorance
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Use solar power!
Yeah, I could just see a bunch of terrorists on a roof waiting on the FED Ex delivery of solar panels.
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So... we should directly alter our airstrikes with the fluctuations in weather? NOW WE HAVE A STRATEGY!!!
Drought = NUKE
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there's huge wall of sources, you can't just gloss over it and type "hahah I'm convinced"
you've broken the record for ignorance
Actually the entire left has since you actually believe that bullshit. Read my reply to Pellius "Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion".
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Of course. The seek out to become terrorists for a better life and job security ::)
some are no longer able to farm, they go to cities and end up joining just for food and shelter.
i'm not saying it's mankind's fault. I'm not saying they're right to make this fccked up choice.
I'm saying, as is our military, that in times of shit weather, more people are more likely to become terrorists, so we have to have our resources ready to fight them. I do'nt give a shit about helping them, about changing the weather, about taxing people to stop cyclical climate that happened long before us
I'm saying it's naive to pretend there aren't more bad guys during droughts.
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Actually the entire left has since you actually believe that bullshit. Read my reply to Pellius "Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion".
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Actually the entire left has since you actually believe that bullshit. Read my reply to Pellius "Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion".
THE US NAVY IS NOT A LEFT WING ORGANIZATION
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FOR THOSE WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON
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THE US NAVY IS NOT A LEFT WING ORGANIZATION
The military in general isn't.
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The military in general isn't.
The military is a socialist program
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The military in general isn't.
so how did the navy get tricked into believing the hoax?
how does that happen?
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The navy has to follow the policies set by the administration. They have to agree. They can't go against that policy, but must support it.
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The navy has to follow the policies set by the administration. They have to agree. They can't go against that policy, but must support it.
but you'll notice it's not just the navy...
did google, apple, facebook, GM and 75 other major corporations suddenly get snafued by this left-wing hoax?
how does that work?
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mairead-mcardle/81-companies-including-google-coca-cola-apple-join-obamas-fight-against
(notice the source is a hard core right-wing magazine :D)
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Actually the entire left has since you actually believe that bullshit. Read my reply to Pellius "Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion".
not the entire left.
you can me a liberal, and i've called global warming manmade total BS from minute 1. even as al gore and sarah palin blamed man for it... i've always said it's cyclical and would he happening with or without us.
Also i support impeachment of the kenyan obama, total liberal move. And arming europe to fight isis themselves. total lib move there too.
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apparently the left has taken over the CIA
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Hippies and tree-huggers have taken over the CIA!
I'll write the excuse for you guys: The President tells the CIA what to think.
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Here are a few fringe left wing corporations signed up for action on climate change.
“We recognize that delaying action on climate change will be costly in economic and human terms,”
Abengoa Bioenergy US
Aemetis, Alcoa
American Express
Apple
AT&T
Autodesk
Bank of America
Berkshire Hathaway Energy
Best Buy
Biogen
Bloomberg
Cargill
CA Technologies
Calpine
Campos Brothers Farms
Coca-Cola
Cox Enterprises
Dell
DSM North America
EMC, Energy Optimizers
Ener-G Rudox
Facebook
Fulcrum Bioenergy
GE
General Mills
General Motors
Goldman Sachs
Google
Hershey’s
Hewlett Packard
Iberdrola USA
IBM
IKEA USA
Ingersoll Rand
International Paper
Intel
Intex Solutions, Inc.
Intren
Invenergy
Johnson and Johnson
Johnson Controls
Kellogg’s
Keystone Electrical Manufacturing
Kingspan Insulated Panels, Inc.
Lakeshore Learning Materials
LAM Research
Levi Strauss & Co.
L’Oreal USA
Mars
McDonalds Corporation
Microsoft
Monsanto
National Label Company
Nike
Nestle
Novozymes
One3LED
Pacific Ethanol
Pepsi-Co
PG&E
POET
Portland General Electric
PwC US
Procter & Gamble
Qualcomm
Ricoh USA
Salesforce.com
Schneider Electric
Siemens Corporation
SONY Corporation of America
Starbucks
Syngenta/QCCP
Target
Tri-Global Energy
Unilever
UPS
Walmart
The Walt Disney Company
Xerox Corporation
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Major Research Studies And Experts Back Up Sanders' Assessment That Climate Change Played Direct Role In Syrian Crisis
Study In National Academy Of Sciences Journal: Climate Change Likely Worsened Syrian Drought, Which Helped Cause Civil War. A study from scientists at the University of California, Santa Barbara and Columbia University published in the scientific journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), detailed the likely role climate change played in catalyzing civil unrest in Syria. The authors determined that climate change significantly increased the likelihood of a severe drought like the one that afflicted the region from 2007 to 2010, which was "the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers." The study found that human-induced climate change made a drought of such severity and persistence "2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone," and concluded that "human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict." From the study's abstract:
There is evidence that the 2007−2010 drought contributed to the conflict in Syria. It was the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers. Century-long observed trends in precipitation, temperature, and sea-level pressure, supported by climate model results, strongly suggest that anthropogenic forcing has increased the probability of severe and persistent droughts in this region, and made the occurrence of a 3-year drought as severe as that of 2007−2010 2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone. We conclude that human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict. [Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 1/30/15]
Pacific Institute Study: "Climate Variability And Change" Played A Role In Causing Syria's Civil War. A 2014 study published in the American Meteorological Society journal Weather, Climate and Society by Pacific Institute President Peter Gleick found that climate change played a role -- among other interrelated factors -- in sparking Syria's civil war. From the study's abstract:
The devastating civil war that began in Syria in March 2011 is the result of complex interrelated factors. The focus of the conflict is regime change, but the triggers include a broad set of religious and sociopolitical factors, the erosion of the economic health of the country, a wave of political reform sweeping over the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) and Levant region, and challenges associated with climate variability and change and the availability and use of freshwater. As described here, water and climatic conditions have played a direct role in the deterioration of Syria's economic conditions. [Weather, Climate and Society, July 2014]
Foreign Policy Expert William Polk: Climate Impacts Led To "Extreme Poverty" That Sparked Syrian Civil War. William Polk, a veteran foreign policy consultant, wrote in The Atlantic:
Syria has been convulsed by civil war since climate change came to Syria with a vengeance. Drought devastated the country from 2006 to 2011. Rainfall in most of the country fell below eight inches (20 cm) a year, the absolute minimum needed to sustain un-irrigated farming. Desperate for water, farmers began to tap aquifers with tens of thousands of new well. But, as
they did, the water table quickly dropped to a level below which their pumps could lift it.
[USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]
[USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]
In some areas, all agriculture ceased. In others crop failures reached 75%. And generally as much as 85% of livestock died of thirst or hunger. Hundreds of thousands of Syria's farmers gave up, abandoned their farms and fled to the cities and towns in search of almost non-existent jobs and severely short food supplies. Outside observers including UN experts estimated that between 2 and 3 million of Syria's 10 million rural inhabitants were reduced to "extreme poverty."
So tens of thousands of frightened, angry, hungry and impoverished former farmers ... constituted a "tinder" that was ready to catch fire. The spark was struck on March 15, 2011 when a relatively small group gathered in the town of Daraa to protest against government failure to help them. Instead of meeting with the protestors and at least hearing their complaints, the government cracked down on them as subversives. The Assads, who had ruled the country since 1971, were not known for political openness or popular sensitivity. And their action backfired. Riots broke out all over the country, As they did, the Assads attempted to quell them with military force. They failed to do so and, as outside help -- money from the Gulf states and Muslim "freedom fighters" from the rest of the world -- poured into the country, the government lost control over 30% of the country's rural areas and perhaps half of its population. By the spring of 2013, according to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), upwards of 100,000 people had been killed in the fighting, perhaps 2 million have lost their homes and upwards of 2 million have fled abroad. Additionally, vast amounts of infrastructure, virtually whole cities like Aleppo, have been destroyed. [The Atlantic, 9/2/13]
Experts And Authorities State That Syrian Civil War Led To Rise Of ISIL
President Obama: ISIL Gained Prominence In Syria By Taking Advantage Of Civil War. In a statement about the United States' response to ISIL, President Obama said that ISIL, which was "formerly al Qaeda's affiliate in Iraq," has "taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria's civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border." [Whitehouse.gov, 9/10/14]
Council on Foreign Relations: "Syria's 2011 Uprising Helped In The Islamic State's Expansion." In a backgrounder on the Islamic State, yet another name for ISIL/ISIS, the Council on Foreign Relations stated:
Sunni disenfranchisement in both Iraq and Syria created a vacuum that the Islamic State has exploited ... In Syria, a civil war erupted in 2011 pitting the ruling minority Alawis, a Shia offshoot, against the primarily Sunni opposition, spawning sectarian violence.
[...]
Syria's 2011 uprising helped in the Islamic State's expansion. [Council on Foreign Relations, updated 5/18/15]
Foreign Affairs: ISIS "Took Advantage" Of Chaos In Syria To Seize Territory, Establish Base Of Operations, And Rebrand Itself As ISIS. An article published in international relations journal Foreign Affairs explained how ISIS "took advantage" of the chaos as Syria devolved into a civil war:
In 2011, as a revolt against the Assad regime in Syria expanded into a full-blown civil war, the group took advantage of the chaos, seizing territory in Syria's northeast, establishing a base of operations, and rebranding itself as ISIS. [Foreign Affairs, March/April 2015]
Vox: Syrian Civil War "Benefited ISIS Tremendously." A Vox explainer noted that "ISIS predated the Syrian Civil War," but that while "ISIS did not grow out of the Syrian rebellion: it took advantage of it." The explainer continued:
Now, it's true the war in Syria benefited ISIS tremendously. It allowed ISIS to get battlefield experience, attracted a ton of financial support from Gulf states and private donors looking to oust Assad, and gave it a crucial safe haven in eastern Syria. ISIS also absorbed a lot of recruits from Syrian rebel groups -- illustrating, incidentally, why arming the "good" Syrian rebels probably wouldn't have destroyed ISIS. [Vox, accessed 7/21/15]
Major Military Reports Broadly Connect Climate Change To National Security
DOD Quadrennial Defense Review Considers Climate Change A "Threat Multiplier." The Department of Defense's 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review, which analyzes military threats, highlighted how extreme weather, increased food prices, and water scarcity -- all impacts of climate change -- aggravate existing social stressors that can "enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence":
Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions -- conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence. [Department of Defense, Quadrennial Defense Review, March 2014]
Center for Naval Analyses: Climate Change Serves As "Catalyst For Conflict." The Center for Naval Analyses (CNA) -- a government-funded military research organization -- published a report in May 2014 on how the accelerating risks of climate change will impact national security. The New York Times summarized the report's findings:
The CNA Corporation Military Advisory Board found that climate change-induced drought in the Middle East and Africa is leading to conflicts over food and water and escalating longstanding regional and ethnic tensions into violent clashes. The report also found that rising sea levels are putting people and food supplies in vulnerable coastal regions like eastern India, Bangladesh and the Mekong Delta in Vietnam at risk and could lead to a new wave of refugees. In addition, the report predicted that an increase in catastrophic weather events around the world will create more demand for American troops, even as flooding and extreme weather events at home could damage naval ports and military bases. [Center for Naval Analyses: National Security and the Accelerating Risks of Climate Change, May 2014; The New York Times, 5/13/14]
Consider the source moron.
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Maybe, just maybe the reason why it exists is because of the USA's involvement in the middle east. might as well blame the weather to deflect the responsibility
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but you'll notice it's not just the navy...
did google, apple, facebook, GM and 75 other major corporations suddenly get snafued by this left-wing hoax?
how does that work?
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mairead-mcardle/81-companies-including-google-coca-cola-apple-join-obamas-fight-against
(notice the source is a hard core right-wing magazine :D)
You taking the piss?
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You taking the piss?
I'm actually curious to understand the reasoning and thought behind this hoax theory
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So just to make it clear. You idiots really think "global warming" is causing terrorism? A simple yes or no would suffice.
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So just to make it clear. You idiots really think "global warming" is causing terrorism? A simple yes or no would suffice.
I'd probably completely lay off you if you simply cut the bullshit religion facade you show. What religion backs a person being loudmouthed and arrogant and calling people names? And divorce, and vain and chasing monetary things,......and holy fuck this list could go on forever. You essentially prove what a hoax religion is. I see nignog is in camp, whos busting his face open next? Probably another fat white man, seems to be commonplace with him
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So just to make it clear. You idiots really think "global warming" is causing terrorism? A simple yes or no would suffice.
Causing? No.
A contributing factor? Yes.
Religious fundamentalism is a bigger factor.
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So just to make it clear. You idiots really think "global warming" is causing terrorism? A simple yes or no would suffice.
personally I don't have an opinion...I'm not a scientist or military expert :D
on behalf of the CIA, NAVY, and the other 98 expert military sources cited the answer is "yes".
if you have better information I suggest you forward it to the CIA and the Pentagon before things get out of hand!
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The military is a socialist program
This is very true. True American patriots have never supported a large standing army. It's one of the reasons the Revolution was fought.
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I know the first thing I thought of when Jihadi John was lopping off someone's head was "climate change" or "Global warming" or whatever they want to label it this month and if they only had some rain this wouldn't happen..lol.
You didn't. Because you can only see an immediate cause.
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So just to make it clear. You idiots really think "global warming" is causing terrorism? A simple yes or no would suffice.
I would say that when people are uncomfortable and unhappy, be it from hunger, oppression, poverty, over crowding, traffic, heat... they are more prone to act out on their anger and frustration. Hell, when my a/c went out in my truck and I was stuck in traffic I felt myself turning into a monster. So I guess if someone is on the cusp of whether or not to take the terrorist route when other options are limited -- it's not a stretch. But in this specific case there are other areas in the world that are just as hot if not hotter and also career options are limited and they don't turn to terrorism. I'm also guessing that they aren't Muslim either.
Going by what we see happening in real life it seems that being a Muslim has far more influence in being a terrorist than the weather.
But let's say, just for the sake of argument, that global warning does play a major role in terrorism. What are we suppose to do about it? America does far more than any major industrialize country in protecting the environment. We have cleaner air, cleaner water, better plumbing, more sophisticated refuse disposal, food production and more regulations than ever before. Every facet of environmental protection has improved. I'm old enough to remember how cities such a Pittsburgh and LA use to be. Look to countries like China and Russia if you want to talk about global warming.
We're not squeaky clean but the U.S. is not the major contributor to what is considered the man made causes for global warming And though a majority of scientist believe that there is global warning, not all, not the majority, believe that it's man made. Of course, as Coach mentioned, you can find studies on both sides. My point is that there is no consensus.
"There is no consensus. The Petition Project features over 31,000 scientists signing the petition stating 'There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere ...'". (Petition Project)
http://www.petitionproject.org/
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/sean-long/2014/11/20/only-50-scientists-blame-mankind-climate-change-new-study
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As an addendum, it might be worth mentioning that very cold weather has been shown to reduce the incidence of violent crime. I guess that makes sense. More people stay indoors and try to stay warm.
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So just to make it clear. You idiots really think "global warming" is causing terrorism? A simple yes or no would suffice.
It's very clear that if the temperature is 110 degrees and nothing grows, there will be more people recruited into that world than if it is 72 degrees with beautiful crops growing everywhere.
Now, did mankind cause the temp to go up? Oh shit no, I don't believe that.
But yes, if at least 1 person leaves the crops and ends up a terrorist because his farm failed and that was option #2, then YES, warmer temperatures did contribute.
There's a big gap there when you connect A with C.
A = man causing it.
B = higher temps causing crops to fail
C = more terror recruits
B = C is common sense. A leading to B, no.
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It's very clear that if the temperature is 110 degrees and nothing grows, there will be more people recruited into that world than if it is 72 degrees with beautiful crops growing everywhere.
Now, did mankind cause the temp to go up? Oh shit no, I don't believe that.
But yes, if at least 1 person leaves the crops and ends up a terrorist because his farm failed and that was option #2, then YES, warmer temperatures did contribute.
There's a big gap there when you connect A with C.
A = man causing it.
B = higher temps causing crops to fail
C = more terror recruits
B = C is common sense. A leading to B, no.
But how much does hot weather contribute to someone being a terrorist? There are parts in Africa where it's barren and blistering hot but that doesn't cause them to become terrorists. I think being a Muslim is a far, far, far greater factor in becoming a terrorist than the weather. And besides, it's a moot point because there's not much we can do about the weather in the Middle East. There's something we can do about radical Muslims. Just like there was something we could do about Fascism, Nazism, Communism...
Israel was once a barren hot desert. Gaza was a beautiful place -- until Israel surrendered the territory.
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But how much does hot weather contribute to someone being a terrorist?
That isn't what I'm debating with Coach.
If ONE person decides to give up farming and move to a new area where terrorism/crime is the only option, then yes, the weather contributed.
I worry Coach has everything either black and white - either we have to believe everything Bernie Sanders says, or we have to believe weather has no bearing.
I live in Florida. When weather gets shit hot every summer, crime goes up. People are pissy, there's way less work, bills are all high thanks to skyrocketing electric bill. Service industry tanks. House robberies and gang shootings go up.
I can imagine shit's a lot hotter, nastier, and messier on the other side of the world. Dude might stay home and bitch about the USA at 95 degrees with no AC. At 99 degrees, maybe that is a catalyst for a dude to just say screw it and join up.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/some-it-hot-summer-crime-increase-linked-higher-temperatures-better-weather-288944
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That isn't what I'm debating with Coach.
If ONE person decides to give up farming and move to a new area where terrorism/crime is the only option, then yes, the weather contributed.
I worry Coach has everything either black and white - either we have to believe everything Bernie Sanders says, or we have to believe weather has no bearing.
I live in Florida. When weather gets shit hot every summer, crime goes up. People are pissy, there's way less work, bills are all high thanks to skyrocketing electric bill. Service industry tanks. House robberies and gang shootings go up.
I can imagine shit's a lot hotter, nastier, and messier on the other side of the world. Dude might stay home and bitch about the USA at 95 degrees with no AC. At 99 degrees, maybe that is a catalyst for a dude to just say screw it and join up.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/some-it-hot-summer-crime-increase-linked-higher-temperatures-better-weather-288944
Point taken. But it's a pointless argument because, again, there's nothing we can do about the weather in the Middle East. And though it may contribute to terrorism it's role is negligible when compared to the fact that they are Muslims. Virtually every war going on in the world today involves Muslims. Muslims throughout history has always been aggressive and war like. I believe there is something inherent in the religion itself that promotes this aggression. Although the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and war it does seem that a huge percentage do believe in those tenets of Islam though often they keep those beliefs private.
You certainly don't see them out protesting the massacres and beheadings and few, if any, leading Muslim clerics denounce this behavior.
Rain or drought, there will still be Muslim terrorist unless we destroy them and their infrastructure like we did with every other totalitarian regime in the past.
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(https://mathcoachblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/correlation-does-not-imply-causation.png)
Correlation does not imply causation...
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The Muslims have been invading or fighting within their ranks for the last 1000 years. Why does the west have to always find some absurd excuse?
Because they don't have the emotional maturity to accept reality. You have to understand that most of this crap comes from people who depend on support from the liberal arts departments of universities, and/or governments.
While most of us graduate college and move on to the real world. Your typical liberal arts college professor spends his life giving boring lectures to 18-21 year olds and writing worthless book reports that they call "Research Papers." So, these people never really grow up. Just ask yourself what a liberal arts college Professor would do for a living if he were thrust into the real world.
There's your mental disorder. It's not lack of intelligence. It's emotional immaturity. That why it's pointless to argue with these people. It's like arguing with a six year old.
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Because they don't have the emotional maturity to accept reality. You have to understand that most of this crap comes from people who depend on support from the liberal arts departments of universities, and/or governments.
While most of us graduate college and move on to the real world. Your typical liberal arts college professor spends his life giving boring lectures to 18-21 year olds and writing worthless book reports that they call "Research Papers." So, these people never really grow up. Just ask yourself what a liberal arts college Professor would do for a living if he were thrust into the real world.
There's your mental disorder. It's not lack of intelligence. It's emotional immaturity. That why it's pointless to argue with these people. It's like arguing with a six year old.
hey where do you come up with this material? do you believe it?
serious question
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let me know when you guys are done discussing and I'll explain the situation
I'm here to help
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(https://mathcoachblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/correlation-does-not-imply-causation.png)
Correlation does not imply causation...
Sometimes it does.
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That isn't what I'm debating with Coach.
If ONE person decides to give up farming and move to a new area where terrorism/crime is the only option, then yes, the weather contributed.
I worry Coach has everything either black and white - either we have to believe everything Bernie Sanders says, or we have to believe weather has no bearing.
I live in Florida. When weather gets shit hot every summer, crime goes up. People are pissy, there's way less work, bills are all high thanks to skyrocketing electric bill. Service industry tanks. House robberies and gang shootings go up.
I can imagine shit's a lot hotter, nastier, and messier on the other side of the world. Dude might stay home and bitch about the USA at 95 degrees with no AC. At 99 degrees, maybe that is a catalyst for a dude to just say screw it and join up.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/some-it-hot-summer-crime-increase-linked-higher-temperatures-better-weather-288944
So you're equating local crimes to world wide terrorism? It's in the 50's in Paris right now. What's the excuse?
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So you're equating local crimes to world wide terrorism? It's in the 50's in Paris right now. What's the excuse?
The people doing the things in Paris are from elsewhere.
People are people. Shit weather doesn't help with options or decision making.
I'm all for refusing all refugees and bombing away. But like our military, I recognize bad weather does mean more bad guys. Recognizing it is not the same as justifying it. Cut the victimization out, it's just another tool our military uses to prepare resources. not everything is a Bernie endorsement.
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The people doing the things in Paris are from elsewhere.
People are people. Shit weather doesn't help with options or decision making.
I'm all for refusing all refugees and bombing away. But like our military, I recognize bad weather does mean more bad guys. Recognizing it is not the same as justifying it. Cut the victimization out, it's just another tool our military uses to prepare resources. not everything is a Bernie endorsement.
There is a big Muslim population in France. Are you trying to tell me that converts are ALL from the middle east?
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There is a big Muslim population in France. Are you trying to tell me that converts are ALL from the middle east?
that's quite a leap. i'm saying manmade global warming is BS, but that (just like our military) I agree that shit weather means easier recruitment for bad guys.
Seriously, I'm more conservative on global warming than repubs like Newt and Palin... and yes, hostile weather leads to more hostile people with fewer options. I don't have to prove I'm right here... our military already agrees.
so coach, you've had a chance to see trump embarrass the GOP and Carson embarrass himself nonstop... who is your 2016 choice for republican nomination?
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that's quite a leap. i'm saying manmade global warming is BS, but that (just like our military) I agree that shit weather means easier recruitment for bad guys.
Seriously, I'm more conservative on global warming than repubs like Newt and Palin... and yes, hostile weather leads to more hostile people with fewer options. I don't have to prove I'm right here... our military already agrees.
so coach, you've had a chance to see trump embarrass the GOP and Carson embarrass himself nonstop... who is your 2016 choice for republican nomination?
No, I'm in by 6am and usually out by 9pm. But I couldn't imagine it's any worse than what Obama has done in the past seven year and certainly not more than what Killary did on Sunday. BTW, it was brilliant timing to have the debate on Saturday right in the middle of a college football day into the Ohio St. game. More great planning and impeccable timing by the left.
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seems right
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If the goal is a Hilary coronation, then yes, a debate that nobody watches gives Bernie no viewers and less chance. Hilary fought for fewer debates. Crappy debate schedule that nobody is home to watch is the next best thing.
The left wants Hilary. Few debates that nobody watches is good for her. She doesn't have to swing as left. Repubs are forced to go very far right in primary which hurts then later. Hilary is coasting. She'd schedule debates during the nfl playoffs of she could. The 20 point front runner hates debates.
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seems right
Today was just stretch/flexibility...
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Josh-Rehaluk-160387
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Cheick-Kongo-2193
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Today was just stretch/flexibility...
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Josh-Rehaluk-160387
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Cheick-Kongo-2193
Coach--was it my job or dream to be a pro mma fighter? Um no
Was it glassjaw Kongos? um yes. and he is really sucking at it
now--tell us what a good Christian you are ::)
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Coach--was it my job or dream to be a pro mma fighter? Um no
Was it glassjaw Kongos? um yes. and he is really sucking at it
now--tell us what a good Christian you are ::)
Wins
23 12 KO/TKO (52%) 4 SUBMISSIONS (17%) 7 DECISIONS (30%)
Losses
10 3 KO/TKO (30%) 1 SUBMISSIONS (10%) 6 DECISIONS (6
I'm not very good at math but it seems to me 3 KO's in 33 fights might be a little above average.
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Wins
23 12 KO/TKO (52%) 4 SUBMISSIONS (17%) 7 DECISIONS (30%)
Losses
10 3 KO/TKO (30%) 1 SUBMISSIONS (10%) 6 DECISIONS (6
I'm not very good at math but it seems to me 3 KO's in 33 fights might be a little above average.
bah
youre short
you win this round,.......but I shall return
see Coach--thats how someone admits when they are wrong. I would have respect for you if you would admit you are wrong when you are instead of yammering away. I read those political threads and many times you are proven wrong, but your ego wont let you admit 240 was right. And thats a shame