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Title: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 08, 2015, 11:53:58 AM
his crowd sizes.
the media has completely stopped reporting his crowd sizes; not only have they decided to stop saying his crowd numbers, they aren't even showing any images whatsoever of his crowds. his numbers have been staggering...10,000 here, 12,000 there, he filled the Maverick's arena in dallas 20,000+, 35,000 in Alabama...

35,000 for fucks sakes!!!! remember the coverage of Obama in 2008? every newspaper and every news outlet was filled with images of him standing before huge crowds, it was put in your face everywhere..Trump is getting the biggest crowds of any candidate since Obama 2008 and the media had gone into total blackout mode. for the last 3 months at every speech Trump has been saying this directly, telling the crowd that the media cameras on him will never show the audience, calling them out to 'pan the crowd', and THEY NEVER, EVER DO.
so far, no one pulls crowds this huge and doesn't win. so far, no one has pulled crowds this big, while leading handily for 6 straight months, and had the media totally blackout the numbers of supporters and downplay/attack them at every turn.

strangest campaign season in modern times.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Las Vegas on December 08, 2015, 12:24:57 PM
Back when, I remember the story was that he'd paid people to show up.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Las Vegas on December 08, 2015, 12:34:39 PM
People are sick of the dumbshit politicians.  That's why I think Trump (despite himself) may have a chance to take Hillary.

That's if he'd rather have himself in the WH, than her, and I'm unconvinced that's true.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Donny on December 08, 2015, 12:38:40 PM
TRUMP is a Nazi. A totall asshole. No one in Europe takes him serious.. he has shot himself in the Head.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Primemuscle on December 08, 2015, 12:45:08 PM
his crowd sizes.
the media has completely stopped reporting his crowd sizes; not only have they decided to stop saying his crowd numbers, they aren't even showing any images whatsoever of his crowds. his numbers have been staggering...10,000 here, 12,000 there, he filled the Maverick's arena in dallas 20,000+, 35,000 in Alabama...

35,000 for fucks sakes!!!! remember the coverage of Obama in 2008? every newspaper and every news outlet was filled with images of him standing before huge crowds, it was put in your face everywhere..Trump is getting the biggest crowds of any candidate since Obama 2008 and the media had gone into total blackout mode. for the last 3 months at every speech Trump has been saying this directly, telling the crowd that the media cameras on him will never show the audience, calling them out to 'pan the crowd', and THEY NEVER, EVER DO.
so far, no one pulls crowds this huge and doesn't win. so far, no one has pulled crowds this big, while leading handily for 6 straight months, and had the media totally blackout the numbers of supporters and downplay/attack them at every turn.

strangest campaign season in modern times.

A lot of people go to see freaks.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Las Vegas on December 08, 2015, 12:56:34 PM
I'd love to call it right now, to say people have rejected all future Bushes in the WH, but I still get a creepy feeling that the scum will rise again to the top, as scum is known to do.

Too early to call Jeb out of this, very unfortunately.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: doison on December 08, 2015, 01:08:23 PM
TRUMP is a Nazi. A totall asshole. No one in Europe takes him serious.. he has shot himself in the Head.

Lol
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 08, 2015, 02:33:31 PM
TRUMP is a Nazi. A totall asshole. No one in Europe takes him serious.. he has shot himself in the Head.

meanwhile Europe is committing national/cultural suicide, falling all over themselves to see who can bend over and spread their cheeks the widest for Islam, so its no surprise the lefties there don't like him.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 08, 2015, 06:39:35 PM
Professional wrestling draws 100x the audience of professional chess matches.

Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 08, 2015, 07:17:06 PM
Photo is supposed to be from Carly's town hall meeting in Iowa last night.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 08, 2015, 11:47:28 PM
it used to be entertaining.  Now?   Now, trump can say ANYTHING and the ignorant in the base still defend him.

he could literally sodomize a baby sheep at a party, and the most common response would be "I don't care what he does at parties, I hate Hilary..."

I'm reading stories about trump less and less.  It used to be entertaining.   Now it's just sad.  Every time I see him up in polls, I realize how ignorant, immature, and uninformed the base of the party really is  :(  But they loved Palin, Carson, Cain... they have shit judgment, period.

SO MUCH better conseravtives out there.  You dorks just want celebrity.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: nzmusclemonster on December 09, 2015, 12:08:16 AM
it used to be entertaining.  Now?   Now, trump can say ANYTHING and the ignorant in the base still defend him.

he could literally sodomize a baby sheep at a party, and the most common response would be "I don't care what he does at parties, I hate Hilary..."

I'm reading stories about trump less and less.  It used to be entertaining.   Now it's just sad.  Every time I see him up in polls, I realize how ignorant, immature, and uninformed the base of the party really is  :(  But they loved Palin, Carson, Cain... they have shit judgment, period.

SO MUCH better conseravtives out there.  You dorks just want celebrity.

Sounds like you don't know how to party.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: sync pulse on December 09, 2015, 12:52:36 AM
it used to be entertaining.  Now?   Now, trump can say ANYTHING and the ignorant in the base still defend him.

he could literally sodomize a baby sheep at a party, and the most common response would be "I don't care what he does at parties, I hate Hilary..."

I'm reading stories about trump less and less.  It used to be entertaining.   Now it's just sad.  Every time I see him up in polls, I realize how ignorant, immature, and uninformed the base of the party really is  :(  But they loved Palin, Carson, Cain... they have shit judgment, period.

SO MUCH better conseravtives out there.  You dorks just want celebrity.

No kidding...
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: polychronopolous on December 09, 2015, 03:17:49 AM
it used to be entertaining.  Now?   Now, trump can say ANYTHING and the ignorant in the base still defend him.

he could literally sodomize a baby sheep at a party, and the most common response would be "I don't care what he does at parties, I hate Hilary..."

I'm reading stories about trump less and less.  It used to be entertaining.   Now it's just sad.  Every time I see him up in polls, I realize how ignorant, immature, and uninformed the base of the party really is  :(  But they loved Palin, Carson, Cain... they have shit judgment, period.

SO MUCH better conseravtives out there.  You dorks just want celebrity.

And yet you post 17 topics about him every single day ::)
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 09, 2015, 06:29:33 AM
Photo is supposed to be from Carly's town hall meeting in Iowa last night.

this is the contrast im referring to. TRUMP is literally filling professional sports arenas and there are no pictures of it in any MSM articles or headlines. the proportionality of his support compared to the rest of the field is astonishing
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 09, 2015, 08:48:34 AM
And yet you post 17 topics about him every single day ::)

It used to be 34 per day.   :)

The entire GOP wants him out.  He's a slow mo train wreck, a troll.  I called it years ago.  He just wanted to escort Hilary into office and make repubs look stupid.   Perfect trolling job.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: polychronopolous on December 09, 2015, 09:39:07 AM
It used to be 34 per day.   :)

The entire GOP wants him out.  He's a slow mo train wreck, a troll.  I called it years ago.  He just wanted to escort Hilary into office and make repubs look stupid.   Perfect trolling job.

Lol  ;D
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: headhuntersix on December 09, 2015, 10:33:11 AM
Which is way Cruz isn't getting into any of this shit....he's just gonna keep motoring on with his message.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 09, 2015, 12:19:19 PM
Which is way Cruz isn't getting into any of this shit....he's just gonna keep motoring on with his message.

Cruz can and will get the nomination - IF - the scrubs getting 3 or 4 points drop out.  And most of them will NOT.  The MAJORITY of the party doesn't want Trump's antics.  He's below 40%.  BUT with Christie pulling 2 points, rand pulling 2, Jeb pulling 5, Carson pulling 10... Trump wins Iowa and NH, and then 1 or 2 of them drop.  Trump still wins SC, Florida... at that point, the nomination is his.

I know people like him because he "tells it like it is" and is great at shitting on foreigners, which most people also hate.  But look at all the other stuff.  This AM, he said Merkel is destorying Germany.  If a POTUS said that, it's a global incident with tons of ramifications.  He's just too casual with that shit.  One of these times, a flippant remark will result in a war.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: James on December 09, 2015, 12:25:32 PM
Bloomberg Poll: 64% of GOP Primary Voters Back Trump's Muslim Ban

Almost two-thirds of likely 2016 Republican primary voters favor Donald Trump's call to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the U.S., while more than a third say it makes them more likely to vote for him.




Can you say, “President Trump?”
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 09, 2015, 12:50:23 PM
it is true that the longer the 12 candidates who are already finished don't drop out, the likelier it is TRUMP will win. the only way to beat him is if its down to him and 1-2 other candidates, sooner than later. if we are halfway thru the primaries and there are still 15 or whatever candidates, Cruz and Rubio wont be able to consolidate enough support to overcome TRUMP.

I think the unprecedented Media outrage about TRUMP'S muslim moratorium will backfire in historic proportions, as the disconnect between the Media and the elites/Washington is as big as it has ever been in history. they are living in fairy-tale world, lost in the clouds of PC fantasy land, and continue to lie and misrepresent everything, and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. this event is going to help TRUMP immeasurably.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 09, 2015, 12:52:26 PM
Bloomberg Poll: 64% of GOP Primary Voters Back Trump's Muslim Ban

Almost two-thirds of likely 2016 Republican primary voters favor Donald Trump's call to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the U.S., while more than a third say it makes them more likely to vote for him.

Can you say, “President Trump?”

I can say "Nominee Trump".  No surprise the base it all about it.  

What are national polls saying about it?  

I could care less if they get in - I've already called for a year of ZERO immigrants to let everything calm down. Not just muslims tho, since bad guys can claim to be any religion in order to get in.  You're just banning the honest ones.  Since there are 1.5 billion of them - I'd rather just keep EVERYONE out.

What do polls say?   If this is something moderates reject (aside from the damage it does with allies) - it could mean instant President hilary.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 09, 2015, 02:15:39 PM
his crowd sizes.
the media has completely stopped reporting his crowd sizes; not only have they decided to stop saying his crowd numbers, they aren't even showing any images whatsoever of his crowds. his numbers have been staggering...10,000 here, 12,000 there, he filled the Maverick's arena in dallas 20,000+, 35,000 in Alabama...

35,000 for fucks sakes!!!! remember the coverage of Obama in 2008? every newspaper and every news outlet was filled with images of him standing before huge crowds, it was put in your face everywhere..Trump is getting the biggest crowds of any candidate since Obama 2008 and the media had gone into total blackout mode. for the last 3 months at every speech Trump has been saying this directly, telling the crowd that the media cameras on him will never show the audience, calling them out to 'pan the crowd', and THEY NEVER, EVER DO.
so far, no one pulls crowds this huge and doesn't win. so far, no one has pulled crowds this big, while leading handily for 6 straight months, and had the media totally blackout the numbers of supporters and downplay/attack them at every turn.

strangest campaign season in modern times.


I wouldn't place much stock in this.  People used to post pictures of Ron Paul's huge crowds all the time. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: James on December 09, 2015, 02:40:08 PM
I can say "Nominee Trump".  No surprise the base it all about it.  

What are national polls saying about it?  

I could care less if they get in - I've already called for a year of ZERO immigrants to let everything calm down. Not just muslims tho, since bad guys can claim to be any religion in order to get in.  You're just banning the honest ones.  Since there are 1.5 billion of them - I'd rather just keep EVERYONE out.

What do polls say?   If this is something moderates reject (aside from the damage it does with allies) - it could mean instant President hilary.


Trump Leads By 25 Points Over Nearest Rival In New Zogby Poll (After Muslim Ban)

The entire poll was conducted after Trumps controversial remarks about banning Muslims from entering the United States. His 38% is the highest percentage he has received yet in a Zogby Poll.

Donald Trump: 38%

Ben Carson: 13%

Marco Rubio: 12%

Ted Cruz: 8%

Jeb Bush: 7%

 Chris Christie: 4%

Carly Fiorina: 3%

Others/Not Sure: 16%

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/12/09/zogby-analytics-trump-leads-by-25-points-over-nearest-rival/

Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: polychronopolous on December 09, 2015, 04:30:54 PM
Trump closing in on 40% in mid December in a large field. Very impressive.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Las Vegas on December 09, 2015, 05:19:26 PM
it is true that the longer the 12 candidates who are already finished don't drop out, the likelier it is TRUMP will win. the only way to beat him is if its down to him and 1-2 other candidates, sooner than later. if we are halfway thru the primaries and there are still 15 or whatever candidates, Cruz and Rubio wont be able to consolidate enough support to overcome TRUMP.

I think the unprecedented Media outrage about TRUMP'S muslim moratorium will backfire in historic proportions, as the disconnect between the Media and the elites/Washington is as big as it has ever been in history. they are living in fairy-tale world, lost in the clouds of PC fantasy land, and continue to lie and misrepresent everything, and EVERYONE KNOWS IT. this event is going to help TRUMP immeasurably.

Interesting points/post.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 09, 2015, 07:34:17 PM

Trump Leads By 25 Points Over Nearest Rival In New Zogby Poll (After Muslim Ban)

I've said this ten thousand times on getbig.  We get the ACTUAL effect of a poll.... 10 to 14 days later.  I've been proven right on Palin, on Cain, on Carson. 

IF IF IF Trump continues to climb (and yes, he probably will), and he leads the 2nd place dude by 25 points, then I'll agree the comments didn't hurt him.  But the "next day" polls are something to avoid.  Takes a week for people to figure out how they feel and see all the blowback.  You may be 100% correct here, but I'd wait 2 weeks to judge.

I do think trump's unbeatable.  He's what repubs want right now
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 10, 2015, 07:51:03 AM
I wouldn't place much stock in this.  People used to post pictures of Ron Paul's huge crowds all the time. 

Ron paul got shafted for sure but TRUMP's crowds dwarf even his, and the key difference is that Ron never , ever even sniffed the lead in any polls. TRUMP has been slaying the biggest and best field in modern history for 6 straight months
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 10, 2015, 08:07:37 PM
Ron paul got shafted for sure but TRUMP's crowds dwarf even his, and the key difference is that Ron never , ever even sniffed the lead in any polls. TRUMP has been slaying the biggest and best field in modern history for 6 straight months

Good point about the polls, although I think Trump's support is just like Ron Paul's support:  a mile wide and an inch deep.  

Perhaps I'm in denial, but I refuse to believe voters are going to elect that man.  It does appear that he has true believers that are similar to Obamabots, so he can say and do whatever he wants and people will still support him.  But he is too unprofessional and polarizing to win a general election, much less a primary IMO.  He also still talks without saying anything.  I mean look at his ban Muslim proposal.  He wants to ban them until we figure what's going on.  What the heck does that even mean?  He's going to make Mexico pay for a wall?    

Also, his negative numbers are higher than any other candidate in the GOP race.  I think that will manifest itself when people actually start voting.  
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 10, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
Good point about the polls, although I think Trump's support is just like Ron Paul's support:  a mile wide and an inch deep. 

Perhaps I'm in denial, but I refuse to believe voters are going to elect that man.  It does appear that he has true believers that are similar to Obamabots, so he can say and do whatever he wants and people will still support him.  But he is too unprofessional and polarizing to win a general election, much less a primary IMO.  He also still talks without saying anything.  I mean look at his ban Muslim proposal.  He wants to ban them until we figure what's going on.  What the heck does that even mean?  He's going to make Mexico pay for a wall?   

Also, his negative numbers are higher than any other candidate in the GOP race.  I think that will manifest itself when people actually start voting. 

great post man.   i agree completely.

DE, if he runs against hilary... how do you predict that'd end up?
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 11, 2015, 06:35:47 AM
Good point about the polls, although I think Trump's support is just like Ron Paul's support:  a mile wide and an inch deep.  

Perhaps I'm in denial, but I refuse to believe voters are going to elect that man.  It does appear that he has true believers that are similar to Obamabots, so he can say and do whatever he wants and people will still support him.  But he is too unprofessional and polarizing to win a general election, much less a primary IMO.  He also still talks without saying anything.  I mean look at his ban Muslim proposal.  He wants to ban them until we figure what's going on.  What the heck does that even mean?  He's going to make Mexico pay for a wall?    

Also, his negative numbers are higher than any other candidate in the GOP race.  I think that will manifest itself when people actually start voting.  

Iowa will set it in stone. if he wins Iowa or even a close second to Cruz, its all over, because it shows people will actually vote for him, and he has a huge lead in NH(and pretty much everywhere else). if he gets disappointing results in Iowa it will be a huge danger sign for him, showing his support could be as you said 'a mile wide and an inch deep'.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2015, 07:43:48 AM
if he gets disappointing results in Iowa it will be a huge danger sign for him

I am REALLY hoping this happens.
But I truly believe he'll win or be a good 2nd. 

Trump has the media and his followers eating out of his hand, and it's only Dec 11th.  he hasn't spent much and hasn't started the get-out-the-vote yet.   

These other repubs are pulling out all the stops. Trump is still just goofing off. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 09:43:17 AM
Iowa will set it in stone. if he wins Iowa or even a close second to Cruz, its all over, because it shows people will actually vote for him, and he has a huge lead in NH(and pretty much everywhere else). if he gets disappointing results in Iowa it will be a huge danger sign for him, showing his support could be as you said 'a mile wide and an inch deep'.

We shall see. 

On a different note, pretty shrewd to come up with his ban Muslims proposal to completely bury his shameful mocking of a disabled reporter. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2015, 09:47:24 AM
We shall see. 

On a different note, pretty shrewd to come up with his ban Muslims proposal to completely bury his shameful mocking of a disabled reporter. 

The people in love with Trump - they like him MORE, the more outrageous stuff he does.

Next week, he could make racist jokes, say "nice ass" to a female celebrity, talk about a fistfight with Putin, announce plans to invade China...

They would support him anyway.  They don't understand how the world works, and don't care much about politics.  They care about 1) keeping out the foreigners 2) shitting on everything obama 3) screaming USA IS GREAT!

That's it.  All celebrity and not that much brainpower.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 09:49:35 AM
The people in love with Trump - they like him MORE, the more outrageous stuff he does.

Next week, he could make racist jokes, say "nice ass" to a female celebrity, talk about a fistfight with Putin, announce plans to invade China...

They would support him anyway.  They don't understand how the world works, and don't care much about politics.  They care about 1) keeping out the foreigners 2) shitting on everything obama 3) screaming USA IS GREAT!

That's it.  All celebrity and not that much brainpower.

Uh, yeah.  Ok.  Whatever.  I've actually talked to a number of people who like him and they are nothing like you describe. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2015, 09:54:19 AM
Uh, yeah.  Ok.  Whatever.  I've actually talked to a number of people who like him and they are nothing like you describe. 

Even the smart tump supporters - the college grads - are not politically informed.

Those who have a fair understanding of politics and global relations - they look at what he's done this week alone and just know he cannot be president.  (hence the priebus/mccondnell meeting)

Insultng Merkel, UK parliament voting against him, France PM issue, and now the cancelled Israel trip after 47 of their leaders stood up in unison against Trump.   A Trump presidency would be a nightmare for US diplomatic relations, before he even takes the oath.   There are some college grad soccer dads and retirees that don't know politics but love his "straight forward" attitude. 

They're not smart though, politically.  They dont see the damage trump has already incurred, should he never say anything bad again, and win.  But his immaturity... I don't see why he isn't disqualified for that alone.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 10:05:28 AM
Even the smart tump supporters - the college grads - are not politically informed.

Those who have a fair understanding of politics and global relations - they look at what he's done this week alone and just know he cannot be president.  (hence the priebus/mccondnell meeting)

Insultng Merkel, UK parliament voting against him, France PM issue, and now the cancelled Israel trip after 47 of their leaders stood up in unison against Trump.   A Trump presidency would be a nightmare for US diplomatic relations, before he even takes the oath.   There are some college grad soccer dads and retirees that don't know politics but love his "straight forward" attitude. 

They're not smart though, politically.  They dont see the damage trump has already incurred, should he never say anything bad again, and win.  But his immaturity... I don't see why he isn't disqualified for that alone.

You don't know that the heck you're talking about.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2015, 03:18:59 PM
You don't know that the heck you're talking about.

sorry, but mature people that understand politics do not take Trump seriously.

Immature people, with minimal education or political awareness, support Trump.

His words (as president) can cause wars.  He literally cannot stop himself.  He hasn't even won the nomination and our allies are lining up to bash him.  There's a reason those running the party are ready to boot him - he's not a serious candidate. and those who support him are not serious people.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 03:20:30 PM
sorry, but mature people that understand politics do not take Trump seriously.

Immature people, with minimal education or political awareness, support Trump.

His words (as president) can cause wars.  He literally cannot stop himself.  He hasn't even won the nomination and our allies are lining up to bash him.  There's a reason those running the party are ready to boot him - he's not a serious candidate. and those who support him are not serious people.

Further proof you don't know what the heck you're talking about. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2015, 03:22:48 PM
Further proof you don't know what the heck you're talking about. 

dude, at least tell us why.   you just hate without any reason.  lame.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 03:30:12 PM
dude, at least tell us why.   you just hate without any reason.  lame.

I already said I've talked to a number of Trump supporters and they are nothing like you describe.  I seriously doubt you have talked to enough Trump supporters to conclude they are "Immature people, with minimal education or political awareness."  In other words, you are doing your typical pulling things out of your rear end, embellishing, or just flat out lying.  Your "analysis" smacks of someone who knows very little about politics and has little real world experience, particularly with people across the political spectrum. 

It's much easier to either ignore you or say you don't know what the heck your'e talking about. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: TuHolmes on December 11, 2015, 03:32:29 PM
Trump says ridiculous Anti-American things.

Trump supporters continue to support trump.

Ergo, supporters of trump, support his anti-american statements.

1+1=2
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Leatherneck on December 11, 2015, 05:51:13 PM
I already said I've talked to a number of Trump supporters and they are nothing like you describe.  I seriously doubt you have talked to enough Trump supporters to conclude they are "Immature people, with minimal education or political awareness."  In other words, you are doing your typical pulling things out of your rear end, embellishing, or just flat out lying.  Your "analysis" smacks of someone who knows very little about politics and has little real world experience, particularly with people across the political spectrum. 

It's much easier to either ignore you or say you don't know what the heck your'e talking about. 
I agree with your take on his supporters. I have spoken with multiple people since July who firmly support him and most are professional, educated people.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 06:25:50 PM
Trump says ridiculous Anti-American things.

Trump supporters continue to support trump.

Ergo, supporters of trump, support his anti-american statements.

1+1=2

I was only talking about his contention that Trump's supporters are "Immature people, with minimal education or political awareness."

Also, your comment is an overstatement.  It assumes that when a person supports a candidate, the person also supports all of the candidate's positions.  But of course that's not accurate.  For example, someone can be pro life and support a pro abortion candidate.  Same with Trump.  I doubt all of his supporters support all of his whacked out statements, solely because they support his candidacy.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 06:27:26 PM
I agree with your take on his supporters. I have spoken with multiple people since July who firmly support him and most are professional, educated people.

Same here. 

Even if you just listen to some of his spokespeople from various parts of the country, they are obviously smart, educated, professional people. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: TuHolmes on December 11, 2015, 07:00:35 PM
I was only talking about his contention that Trump's supporters are "Immature people, with minimal education or political awareness."

Also, your comment is an overstatement.  It assumes that when a person supports a candidate, the person also supports all of the candidate's positions.  But of course that's not accurate.  For example, someone can be pro life and support a pro abortion candidate.  Same with Trump.  I doubt all of his supporters support all of his whacked out statements, solely because they support his candidacy.

I don't think it's an overstatement at all.

Trump is, as Charlie Murphy said, a habitual line stepper.

Trump will cross the line, then the line moves in front and he crosses it again.

He's done so time and time again. Especially considering every single one of his positions are absolutely insane. They've been insane since day one really.

You say his supporters wouldn't support these positions, but support him, but his ENTIRE platform have been these ridiculous positions that you say the people don't really support.

Of course they support it because that's ALL HE'S TALKED ABOUT. The insane positions.

What are these other positions that they are supporting if they aren't supporting "all of his whacked out statements" as you put it.

He has no others. His entire platform has been "whacked out statements".
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Primemuscle on December 11, 2015, 07:06:18 PM
The people in love with Trump - they like him MORE, the more outrageous stuff he does.

Next week, he could make racist jokes, say "nice ass" to a female celebrity, talk about a fistfight with Putin, announce plans to invade China...

They would support him anyway.  They don't understand how the world works, and don't care much about politics.  They care about 1) keeping out the foreigners 2) shitting on everything obama 3) screaming USA IS GREAT!

That's it.  All celebrity and not that much brainpower.

You are right about the voting or just vocal Republicans supporting Trump and his whack-a-doodle comments, including those regarding not allowing Muslim refugees into the U.S. The poles support this. By polls, I mean those recently taken on this issue only, not whether or not folks would vote for Trump. What is interesting is that when these poles include both Democrats and Republicans, a large majority of those poled are against restricting refugee immigration.

Not much brain power is right. Trump is targeting folks with the least intelligence regarding politics and world affairs.... in other words, many Getbiggers.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 07:24:09 PM
I don't think it's an overstatement at all.

Trump is, as Charlie Murphy said, a habitual line stepper.

Trump will cross the line, then the line moves in front and he crosses it again.

He's done so time and time again. Especially considering every single one of his positions are absolutely insane. They've been insane since day one really.

You say his supporters wouldn't support these positions, but support him, but his ENTIRE platform have been these ridiculous positions that you say the people don't really support.

Of course they support it because that's ALL HE'S TALKED ABOUT. The insane positions.

What are these other positions that they are supporting if they aren't supporting "all of his whacked out statements" as you put it.

He has no others. His entire platform has been "whacked out statements".

Definitely an overstatement.  The people I've talked too don't support all of his antics.  They are frustrated and angry with the status quo.  He has appealed to a lot of people like that.  But none of the people I've talked too would support, for example, Trump's mocking of a disabled reporter.  And the fact they support Trump doesn't mean they support his mocking of a disabled reporter.  That's pretty illogical. 

Overall, they like the fact he isn't beholden to big money.  (Actually, so am I.)  They like the fact he's an outsider.  They like the fact he isn't afraid to speak his mind, even if they don't agree with everything he says.  They like the fact he will try and shake things up.   
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: TuHolmes on December 11, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
Definitely an overstatement.  The people I've talked too don't support all of his antics.  They are frustrated and angry with the status quo.  He has appealed to a lot of people like that.  But none of the people I've talked too would support, for example, Trump's mocking of a disabled reporter.  And the fact they support Trump doesn't mean they support his mocking of a disabled reporter.  That's pretty illogical. 

Overall, they like the fact he isn't beholden to big money.  (Actually, so am I.)  They like the fact he's an outsider.  They like the fact he isn't afraid to speak his mind, even if they don't agree with everything he says.  They like the fact he will try and shake things up.   
No, but he's beholden to some mobsters... That's so much better.

Again, outside of his ridiculous bullshit, what has he said?

I'll answer for you.

He has said, NOTHING ELSE.

His entire platform has been ridiculous and down right disgusting. People who support him are not people I would want to know. As a matter of fact, I've cut off more than a few associates out of my life who have said they like him.

Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: polychronopolous on December 11, 2015, 07:42:42 PM
No, but he's beholden to some mobsters... That's so much better.

Again, outside of his ridiculous bullshit, what has he said?

I'll answer for you.

He has said, NOTHING ELSE.

His entire platform has been ridiculous and down right disgusting. People who support him are not people I would want to know. As a matter of fact, I've cut off more than a few associates out of my life who have said they like him.



"Cutting people out of your life" because they THINK differently than you ::)
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 07:47:41 PM
No, but he's beholden to some mobsters... That's so much better.

Again, outside of his ridiculous bullshit, what has he said?

I'll answer for you.

He has said, NOTHING ELSE.

His entire platform has been ridiculous and down right disgusting. People who support him are not people I would want to know. As a matter of fact, I've cut off more than a few associates out of my life who have said they like him.



How is he beholden to mobsters? 

He hasn't only said ridiculous and disgusting things.  Most of his statements and promises are pretty broad and lack specifics, but they're not all ridiculous and disgusting, like trying to eliminate a trade gap. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 07:50:03 PM
"Cutting people out of your life" because they THINK differently than you ::)

Pretty small-minded approach.  That's what a lot of liberals do.  (Not calling him a liberal.)  I don't think I've ever cut people out of my life because they think differently than me.  I have a lot of ultra liberal friends.  We disagree about some things, agree on others, but it's all good.  Having people in your life with varying viewpoints is healthy. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: polychronopolous on December 11, 2015, 07:58:14 PM
How is he beholden to mobsters? 

He hasn't only said ridiculous and disgusting things.  Most of his statements and promises are pretty broad and lack specifics, but they're not all ridiculous and disgusting, like trying to eliminate a trade gap. 

Donald Trump wrote the number one bestseller and one of the all time best selling business books "The Art of The Deal"

His whole life has been about negotiation. Ask 5 million for that building and maybe we'll send up settling at 2.5

The rub is this is politics and these big time proposals he is seeking is a different animal than the business world. Anyways, I wonder if this is his approach with these sorts of things.

No, he won't be able to deport 10 million people but it shows he will be tougher on illegal immigration.

No, he won't be able to ban all Muslims but it shows that he is aware of how much national security is compromised without a proper vetting process in place.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2015, 08:07:38 PM
who has that bloomberg info about trump... his wealth is at 2.9 billion.
If he had put his inheritance into the SP 500 mutual average, and done nothing but finger paint, he'd be worth 8 billion today

I am not sure his "negotiation" skills are all that impressive, to be honest.  His companies going bankrupt 4 times, that tells me he may have been out-negotiated man times along the way.

Had he never touched the $... He SHOULD be worth 8 billion today.  Bloomberg said he's worth 2.9 billion.  Yeah, impressive...
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 11, 2015, 08:09:40 PM
Donald Trump wrote the number one bestseller and one of the all time best selling business books "The Art of The Deal"

His whole life has been about negotiation. Ask 5 million for that building and maybe we'll send up settling at 2.5

The rub is this is politics and these big time proposals he is seeking is a different animal than the business world. Anyways, I wonder if this is his approach with these sorts of things.

No, he won't be able to deport 10 million people but it shows he will be tougher on illegal immigration.

No, he won't be able to ban all Muslims but it shows that he is aware of how much national security is compromised without a proper vetting process in place.

I like the fact he wants to shake things up, although I really don't see him being able to do the grandiose things he talks about.  Overall, I think his entire candidacy is like a cruel joke.  I really cannot get past his poor temperament, narcism, and now his dishonesty.

Did you see the clip of him teasing the disabled reporter?  Then saying he wasn't mocking the guy?  Flat out dishonest.  

Then there is his claim that he is getting calls from numerous Muslim friends who support his ban on Muslims.  I don't believe that for one instant.  
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 11, 2015, 10:09:18 PM
Overall, I think his entire candidacy is like a cruel joke.

What would be the motivation for playing such a huge joke on America?

Maybe.... Hilary didn't want to let another POTUS run slip out of her fingers... and convinced her wedding buddy Trump to knock out the other Repubs and keep servergate/benghazi pressure off her with 24/7 crazy talk, which he's done.

Front row at Trump's wedding, huh?   They're VERY good friends. 
Clinton calling Trump right before he made his announcement?  yeah, that's shady.

IMO, it's not a joke.  It's a scheme.  Designed to wreck GOP race (success!) and get hilary in (likely if trump wins nomination)
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: TuHolmes on December 11, 2015, 11:25:38 PM
"Cutting people out of your life" because they THINK differently than you ::)

I associate with who I want to.

Simple.

I associate with those outside of work who I choose to. Why would I want to be around people who support someone who is an obvious racist.

I don't hang out with KKK members either.

Do you?
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: polychronopolous on December 12, 2015, 04:15:05 AM
I like the fact he wants to shake things up, although I really don't see him being able to do the grandiose things he talks about.  Overall, I think his entire candidacy is like a cruel joke.  I really cannot get past his poor temperament, narcism, and now his dishonesty.

Did you see the clip of him teasing the disabled reporter?  Then saying he wasn't mocking the guy?  Flat out dishonest.  

Then there is his claim that he is getting calls from numerous Muslim friends who support his ban on Muslims.  I don't believe that for one instant.  

That is what kills me about Trump. While Hillary is hiding like a coward most of the time and only comes out of her hole to take kids glove interviews, Trump is willing to go in and sit with practically any leftist media member and completely dismantle him/her in a way we have really never seen.

Then he'll turn around the very next day and engage in these unnecessary antics which in turn hurt his likeability. If he cut that nonsense out from the beginning he is likely at 40+ percent or more in these polls.

Regarding the disabled New York Times reporter...at the end of the day he WAS a New York Times reporter and therefore likely a COMPLETE hate filled asshole so I don't feel TOO bad about what Trump did on that one.  :D
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 12, 2015, 05:41:38 AM
Then he'll turn around the very next day and engage in these unnecessary antics which in turn hurt his likeability. If he cut that nonsense out from the beginning he is likely at 40+ percent or more in these polls.

rachel maddow did a piece this week... she thinks Trump is trying to get himself pushed out of the race for being 'too intense' or 'too honest'.   Intentionally.  Trump is successful but being president is a HARD job and 4 years of sitting thru 14 hour days reading intelligence briefs is probably not something the 70 year old wants to do.   He is a limo, glamour, intense, TV personality, he loves YES MEN and being president is mostly dealing with roadblocks all day.  These days, Trump is mostly past managing 500 problems a day.

hilary, jeb, they've been legislating all day for decades and they're built for it.  Trump doesn't even prepare notes for speeches or interviews, he just wings it and speaks off the cuff.

It does pose the serious question - IF trump was trying to get himself booted from the race for being "too real", would he be doing things any differently?  
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: whork on December 12, 2015, 08:20:04 AM
I like the fact he wants to shake things up, although I really don't see him being able to do the grandiose things he talks about.  Overall, I think his entire candidacy is like a cruel joke.  I really cannot get past his poor temperament, narcism, and now his dishonesty.

Did you see the clip of him teasing the disabled reporter?  Then saying he wasn't mocking the guy?  Flat out dishonest.  

Then there is his claim that he is getting calls from numerous Muslim friends who support his ban on Muslims.  I don't believe that for one instant.  

Agree. Trump is very entertaining but him as president?

Would be one hell of an experiment.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 12, 2015, 09:07:50 AM
Agree. Trump is very entertaining but him as president?

Would be one hell of an experiment.

A dangerous experiment.   Why do it?  Why risk alienating our allies?
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: whork on December 12, 2015, 10:33:49 AM
A dangerous experiment.   Why do it?  Why risk alienating our allies?


I highly doubt that he becomes president.

The things that appeal to the republican base these days will have a negative feedback from most of the other voters.

Even the more level-headed republicans might prefer Clinton in the White house.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: headhuntersix on December 12, 2015, 10:40:47 AM
Um...no......she's a lying bitch. Hope that clears that up.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 14, 2015, 09:14:33 AM
That is what kills me about Trump. While Hillary is hiding like a coward most of the time and only comes out of her hole to take kids glove interviews, Trump is willing to go in and sit with practically any leftist media member and completely dismantle him/her in a way we have really never seen.

Then he'll turn around the very next day and engage in these unnecessary antics which in turn hurt his likeability. If he cut that nonsense out from the beginning he is likely at 40+ percent or more in these polls.

Regarding the disabled New York Times reporter...at the end of the day he WAS a New York Times reporter and therefore likely a COMPLETE hate filled asshole so I don't feel TOO bad about what Trump did on that one.  :D

I agree he should get props for not cowering like Hillary and Obama, both of whom go to great lengths to avoid answering tough questions. 

I disagree he completely dismantles people or issues.  He doesn't do anything except make unrealistic promises, deny certain things, call people names, etc. But he does it with conviction.  From that standpoint, he's as much as an empty suit as Obama. 

You cannot seriously condone him mocking the disabled reporter?
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: polychronopolous on December 14, 2015, 12:57:08 PM
I agree he should get props for not cowering like Hillary and Obama, both of whom go to great lengths to avoid answering tough questions. 

I disagree he completely dismantles people or issues.  He doesn't do anything except make unrealistic promises, deny certain things, call people names, etc. But he does it with conviction.  From that standpoint, he's as much as an empty suit as Obama. 

You cannot seriously condone him mocking the disabled reporter?

I suppose on a scale of 1 to 10 it bothers me about a 3 or a 4.

Not cool to mock a person with a disability but if you are going to do it might as well be a New York Times reporter whom I have practically zero respect for.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 14, 2015, 04:51:02 PM
I suppose on a scale of 1 to 10 it bothers me about a 3 or a 4.

Not cool to mock a person with a disability but if you are going to do it might as well be a New York Times reporter whom I have practically zero respect for.

Fair enough, although it does not speak well for someone who wants to be president.  And he has the nerve to criticize the temperament of Ted Cruz? 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: polychronopolous on December 14, 2015, 05:14:10 PM
Fair enough, although it does not speak well for someone who wants to be president.  And he has the nerve to criticize the temperament of Ted Cruz? 

The fact that Trump is currently losing to Cruz now in a few polls is ABSOLUTELY burning him alive on the inside.

I don't understand it myself. He is creaming his competition in practically every national poll but....

That is just his makeup. This is a man who absolutely HATES to lose.

He could be up in 49 other states and a ton of his time will still be spent loathing the fact that he is losing in Iowa.

His response is going after Cruz and it could backfire.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 14, 2015, 05:33:13 PM
The fact that Trump is currently losing to Cruz now in a few polls is ABSOLUTELY burning him alive on the inside.

I don't understand it myself. He is creaming his competition in practically every national poll but....

That is just his makeup. This is a man who absolutely HATES to lose.

He could be up in 49 other states and a ton of his time will still be spent loathing the fact that he is losing in Iowa.

His response is going after Cruz and it could backfire.

It's important to keep the national polls in context.  They matter, but the state-by-state polls are much bigger indicators of what could possibly happen.

I agree Trump hates to lose.  That's why I don't think he will be in this for the long haul if he doesn't have a commanding lead.  He is incredibly thin-skinned. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Las Vegas on December 15, 2015, 06:28:42 AM
Obama once (on TV) made a joke about Special Olympics competitors, and he did it without a second thought. 

Right off the top of his playbook, it was, and very little was made of it.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Primemuscle on December 16, 2015, 10:12:04 AM
Obama once (on TV) made a joke about Special Olympics competitors, and he did it without a second thought. 

Right off the top of his playbook, it was, and very little was made of it.

"When asked about the bowling alley in the White House, Obama joked to Leno that his average score of 129 “was like the Special Olympics or something.” Although, neither Leno or Obama seemed bothered by the comment during the show, the White House issued a statement apologizing for it before the show aired."
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on December 16, 2015, 12:36:00 PM
for all his faults, TRUMP is at least a genuine American, genuinely patriotic, will unapologetically put America first, believes in American exceptionalism, believes in American sovereignty, believes in national pride, and cares NOTHING for political correctness. TRUMP, for all his faults, is a pure winner, a legit Alpha among Alpha's, an true American icon who embodies the america the world used to see and look upon with awe and envy.

is he 100% perfect on everything? no. is he a master academic minded tactition expert on the level of Cruz? no. but at least in all this sense, he represents  the TOTAL POLAR OPPOSITE of Obama, as well as Hillary or any of the dems, as well as 90+% of the republicans, and this is precisely why he has gathered such an enormous following. checking all the boxes isn't as important to americans as just making sure we have a genuine America-firster as a president again
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Las Vegas on December 16, 2015, 01:20:47 PM
"When asked about the bowling alley in the White House, Obama joked to Leno that his average score of 129 “was like the Special Olympics or something.” Although, neither Leno or Obama seemed bothered by the comment during the show, the White House issued a statement apologizing for it before the show aired."

What a fine gentleman.

 ::)
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Las Vegas on December 16, 2015, 01:24:42 PM
for all his faults, TRUMP is at least a genuine American, genuinely patriotic, will unapologetically put America first, believes in American exceptionalism, believes in American sovereignty, believes in national pride, and cares NOTHING for political correctness. TRUMP, for all his faults, is a pure winner, a legit Alpha among Alpha's, an true American icon who embodies the america the world used to see and look upon with awe and envy.

is he 100% perfect on everything? no. is he a master academic minded tactition expert on the level of Cruz? no. but at least in all this sense, he represents  the TOTAL POLAR OPPOSITE of Obama, as well as Hillary or any of the dems, as well as 90+% of the republicans, and this is precisely why he has gathered such an enormous following. checking all the boxes isn't as important to americans as just making sure we have a genuine America-firster as a president again

Yes, especially when all the rest of them do such a sorry-ass job of having checked boxes, themselves.  Good point.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Dos Equis on December 16, 2015, 04:51:08 PM
for all his faults, TRUMP is at least a genuine American, genuinely patriotic, will unapologetically put America first, believes in American exceptionalism, believes in American sovereignty, believes in national pride, and cares NOTHING for political correctness. TRUMP, for all his faults, is a pure winner, a legit Alpha among Alpha's, an true American icon who embodies the america the world used to see and look upon with awe and envy.

is he 100% perfect on everything? no. is he a master academic minded tactition expert on the level of Cruz? no. but at least in all this sense, he represents  the TOTAL POLAR OPPOSITE of Obama, as well as Hillary or any of the dems, as well as 90+% of the republicans, and this is precisely why he has gathered such an enormous following. checking all the boxes isn't as important to americans as just making sure we have a genuine America-firster as a president again

I agree with most of your first paragraph.  Still, he is not the person I want with his finger on the trigger, in charge of the military, making public policy, meeting with world leaders, etc.  I heard a clip today of him talking about about political commentators who have been critical of him.  He sounded like an incredibly thin-skinned little kid. 
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: 240 is Back on December 16, 2015, 07:42:05 PM
I agree with most of your first paragraph.  Still, he is not the person I want with his finger on the trigger, in charge of the military, making public policy, meeting with world leaders, etc.  I heard a clip today of him talking about about political commentators who have been critical of him.  He sounded like an incredibly thin-skinned little kid. 

under pressure, presidents need to make important decisions regarding the best interests of 300 million americans - based on logic and reason.

under not too much pressure, Trump has repeatedly made poor decisions - based on emotion.

Trump has done well because this is the same base that cheered a serious topic like the death penalty in 2012 when perry bragged about all the people he gave the needle.  They have blood lust, war boners.   Talking about killing the families of terrrorists and carpet bombing villages to teach people a lesson - that is great for the base at debates... but doesn't fly with moderate voters that decide elections.
Title: Re: One completetly overlooked fact about the TRUMP campaign..
Post by: Primemuscle on December 16, 2015, 09:19:14 PM
under pressure, presidents need to make important decisions regarding the best interests of 300 million americans - based on logic and reason.

under not too much pressure, Trump has repeatedly made poor decisions - based on emotion.

Trump has done well because this is the same base that cheered a serious topic like the death penalty in 2012 when perry bragged about all the people he gave the needle.  They have blood lust, war boners.   Talking about killing the families of terrrorists and carpet bombing villages to teach people a lesson - that is great for the base at debates... but doesn't fly with moderate voters that decide elections.

I agree with you. Stooping to the level of the lowest denominator is never a successful venture.