It looks like he caught a case of arm cancer and you guys are making fun of him! :o
He might not have much longer to live. :'(
...there's about 15 of them in the synthol yahoo group: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/synthol
...just posted today...
Apollo isn't an idiot, he's right.
Correction: Earthbound and Johnny Apollo are both idiots.
How so?
I don't think you guys know what implants are, or what Synthol does to a human body.
Exactly.
Exactly what? You can't even explain your accusations. You call someone stupid and then won't explain HOW they are stupid?
Your accusations are completly baseless and empty, As is your fucking head.
Not all oil dissipates, if the body can't break it down, it will just stay there, some will get absorbed but there would still be lumps. Either way, that guys is just plain RETARDED... oh, monster chest development.
Two things: 1) Hello True Adonis, 2) I know you know that it's not an implant and you're just trying to get a rise out of people.
This is exactly the same thing this guy has...Except in the Arms.
(http://www.brustverein.de/promo/bilder/dsc00139.jpg)
Thanks iron_dawg.
It's NOT Synthol. Synthol like all oil dissipates after a few weeks. You idiots need to do some goddamn research.
went to chris-hofer.com
They sure as hell aren't implants. Who would implant something so shapeless and blobby into their arms? Those arms look like 20 lbs. of shit stuffed into two five-lb. bags.
Arm implants at least have a definite shape to them. For an example, see the pics of Lee Apperson taken a while back. Although implants still look obviously fake, at least they don't look like big bags of shit.
why is the geek in the tractor pulling his hair out
I know several people who have used Synthol in the past. It's injected into the heads of the muscles to cause oil to enter the muscle and then after a few weeks it naturally dissipates. Once it dissipates there is a room left over where the synthol used to be,REAL muscle can be grown there. The temporary hollow area is a highly anabolic environment which causes the muscle to naturally "fill out" and fill the area that the oil used to be. New muscle fibers form to fill the area within a few weeks and then you have actuall real muscle replacing it.
This guy has IMPLANTS. There is NO WAY this can be caused by simple synthol injections. I won't repeat myself again...OIL DISSIPATES. Any sort of liquid injected into the muscles or which forms in the muscles dissipates. Anyone who's ever injected testosterone into therself knows that it dissipates.
Das harte Training hat sich also ausgezahlt: Zweimal am Tag traf man den 1,82 Meter großen und 113 Kilo schweren Muskel-Mann vor dem Rekordversuch in der Kraftkammer, Lkw-Ziehen übte er zwei- bis dreimal in der Woche.
Das harte Training hat sich also ausgezahlt: Zweimal am Tag traf man den 1,82 Meter großen und 113 Kilo schweren Muskel-Mann vor dem Rekordversuch in der Kraftkammer, Lkw-Ziehen übte er zwei- bis dreimal in der Woche.
This guy is Dexter's Motivation!
Did it ever occur to you all that maybe he just trains his arms extra hard
This guy does not train just his arms. If he did, his forearms and delts would have a bit more muscle and definition.
Willy the dick Idol with more valuable content of his own. ::)
alexxx liked that one pumpster, i think you two just might be perfect for each other
and most girls i've dated do call me The Dick, so you're right with that one
They call you the dick because you are missing the top part. When you had to cut it off to join the operah.. then the girls started laughing at your pathetic attemps at them because they new your a 2 time fag. :-[
Das harte Training hat sich also ausgezahlt: Zweimal am Tag traf man den 1,82 Meter großen und 113 Kilo schweren Muskel-Mann vor dem Rekordversuch in der Kraftkammer, Lkw-Ziehen übte er zwei- bis dreimal in der Woche.
Especially the "113 Kilo schweren Muskel-Mann" haha.
If that dude was on this forum he probably called himself "Euro Monster"
Monster delts....
Seriously this guy looks even worse than GV. At least Valentino and Klaus have done something to there pecs and delts as well. This guy is just softing out.
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read. You sir are a nominee for the DUMBEST f**cker on GetBig... congratulations
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Synthol is composed of 85% medium-chain triglyceride oils (a fatty acid), 7.5% lidocaine (painkiller), and 7.5 5 benzyl alcohol. The preparation is injected deep into the muscle where it is encapsulated between the fascicles (bundles of muscle fibers) . With repeated injections, a larger volume of oil builds up inside the muscle, expanding its size like a balloon filling up with air. About 30% of what is injected is metabolized by the body. The other 70% remains lodged in the muscle where it breaks down very slowly over three to five years. There seems to be some issue of debate among bodybuilders as to whether or not Synthol actually lasts this long, and some believe it is even longer. Chris Clark, its inventor, is convinced that it somehow leads to permanent muscle growth in the effected areas, though even he is unsure of the mechanisms that would make this possible. Synthol users report amazing pumps while training, though this could be a result of the extra pressure of the accumulated oil.
Risks Of Synthol Use
Although Mr. Clark claims Synthol is completely safe to use, he also made a point in Greg Zulak's "Uncensored" several issues ago that he is not legally responsible for bodybuilders using it for anything other than a posing oil. Of course, injecting any amount of fatty-acid material intramuscularly can be perilous. This is complicated by the fact that scant few bodybuilders have any medical training. Without knowing the location of major nerves, it's easy to hit one by accident and cause permanent paralysis of muscle fibers in the area. With an injection of any type, abscess infections at the injection site are always a possibility. Often abscesses (extremely painful build-ups of infected tissue) require surgery to remove, not unlike a tumor. You haven't heard the worst yet. Should you inject into a vein or artery by mistake (avoided by drawing back on the syringe to make sure there is no blood, a simple precaution many folks are too squeamish to take) the fatty acids could be transported to the lungs, causing a pulmonary embolism, the heart, causing a heart attack, or perhaps even into the brain, leading to a cardioembolic stroke. All three cases are potentially fatal.
Allegedly, IFBB pro Milos Sarcev had a scare recently when supposedly, some of the Synthol in his arms traveled to his heart. This sounds like an enormous amount of risk simply for the benefit of inflated arms and calves, but bodybuilders are not normal people. To some, it's worth the risk of death to finally have 21-inch bazookas just like the big genetic freaks they idolize. To date, there have been no publicized deaths related to Synthol or any of its several knock-offs currently available. Of course, this is a fairly new product that has only skyrocketed in use over the past two years. Ultimately, Synthol users are adults who are responsible for their own health and safety and are free to make the choice themselves.Hurry its time for your weekly hot oil injection.....
It translates to this...wtf?
Hard training disbursed itself thus: Twice on day one met the 1.82 meters large and 113 Kilos heavy muscle man before the record attempt in the force chamber, truck pulling practiced he two until three times in the week.
Das harte Training hat sich also ausgezahlt: Zweimal am Tag traf man den 1,82 Meter großen und 113 Kilo schweren Muskel-Mann vor dem Rekordversuch in der Kraftkammer, Lkw-Ziehen übte er zwei- bis dreimal in der Woche.
Let's, for a minute pretend that synthol (by some unknown mechanism) creates an anabolic environment once it dissipates.
Why then, do you never, ever, ever, ever...... ever see those guys lifting more than fairy weight?
113 kilos is actually 249 lbs. not 349.
if they are implants, wouldn't Gregg have popped his when he was jamming the needle in to them on the TV program?probably has some fix-a-flat mixed in there
Okay, so, if those are implants as whatever his name says they are, how exactly do you make them that huge and soggy looking? My vision of silicone implants is like the calf implants, a sheath of material put under or on top of the muscle. How the hell does he have an implant that big? I can understand why some might think its synthol. But really, how the hell do they look like that? Explain that one.
if they are implants, wouldn't Gregg have popped his when he was jamming the needle in to them on the TV program?
if they are implants, wouldn't Gregg have popped his when he was jamming the needle in to them on the TV program?
lol...thaz funny ;Dwow! what does he screw? sewers?
It's probably something like this guy used: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=55200.msg856082#msg856082
omg...I'm speachless
There are different kinds of implants. The more massive they are they more they look "Soggy",as you can see from that picture of that woman I posted with those breast implants.
I know several people who have used Synthol in the past. It's injected into the heads of the muscles to cause oil to enter the muscle and then after a few weeks it naturally dissipates. Once it dissipates there is a room left over where the synthol used to be,REAL muscle can be grown there. The temporary hollow area is a highly anabolic environment which causes the muscle to naturally "fill out" and fill the area that the oil used to be. New muscle fibers form to fill the area within a few weeks and then you have actuall real muscle replacing it.
This guy has IMPLANTS. There is NO WAY this can be caused by simple synthol injections. I won't repeat myself again...OIL DISSIPATES. Any sort of liquid injected into the muscles or which forms in the muscles dissipates. Anyone who's ever injected testosterone into therself knows that it dissipates.
That is the absolute dumbest shit i have ever heard...You CANNOT grow new muscle fibers. Ronnie coleman has the same number of muscle fibers as he did when he was 12. You can only make them grow in size, you cant add more muscle fibers. Sorry, but you are an idiot
That is the absolute dumbest shit i have ever heard...You CANNOT grow new muscle fibers. Ronnie coleman has the same number of muscle fibers as he did when he was 12. You can only make them grow in size, you cant add more muscle fibers. Sorry, but you are an idiot
Because guys like Klaus Dornig,Valentino and this guy DO NOT USE SYNTHOL. What they have are silicone implants. THAT is why they use tiny weights,Because it's not real muscle but implants.
Try to follow along and learn to read.
I read pretty well and know a teeny, tiny bit about anatomy and physiology. There's a much better excuse for those guys being weaker than my ten year old. Obviously the synthol either damages the muscle's ability to contract or the constant stretching of the fascia/fibers lengthens the muscle and permanently weakens it.
The constant stretch would cause some creep in the muscles and ligaments. Just like a rubber band loses some elasticity after being under stretch for too long.
Obviously, we're not talking about the other health risks involved.
The implants argument doesn't explain their weakness. A typical guy should be able to curl around 80-100 pounds without a lot of difficulty. Those guys never move crap and probably have decreased range of motion due to either oil or implants. There should still be some muscle under the implants. Women who get implants can still bench press.
In no way is placing something unnatural into the muscles beneficial! It's not growing muscle!
A typical person can't curl 80-100lbs actually. Most people I know who don't work out have trouble curling 20lb dumbells. 100lbs..HAHA.
My brother has never worked out in his life and he's a normal sized person and he can hardly curl 20lb dumbells.
You're delusional.
Women who have implants don't get them inside of the muscle,They get them in the fatty area of their chest OUTSIDE of their muscles..That's why they can still benchpress.
A typical person can't curl 80-100lbs actually. Most people I know who don't work out have trouble curling 20lb dumbells. 100lbs..HAHA.
My brother has never worked out in his life and he's a normal sized person and he can hardly curl 20lb dumbells.
You're delusional.
Women who have implants don't get them inside of the muscle,They get them in the fatty area of their chest OUTSIDE of their muscles..That's why they can still benchpress.
You sir have just sealed your..... Aww f**k why do i bother.....
Do you have a drivers licenses?
I'll give you credit for being a good gimmick account but will play along, LOL!
Then your brother is weak. I see teenage girls barbell curling 40 or so pounds in the gym all the time and don't know many natural guys who can't curl 80-100 pounds without too much difficulty.
If synthol caused organized hyperplasia, guys who injected would get stronger. More fibers = more contraction.
You sir have just sealed your..... Aww f**k why do i bother.....
Do you have a drivers licenses?
Girls curling 40lbs...Haha.
I've worked at a gym for 4 years and less than 10% of people who are first time weight lifters can curl 40lb dumbells I would estimate.
NO ONE in my family or whom I know personally has ever curled 40lb dumbells without lifting in the past. NO ONE.
I've been lifting for 10 years and I can only curl 60lb dumbells a few times. That's 60 in each hand.
You're full of shit if you say people can curl 100lbs without ever lifting in their life.
Also That IS what synthol does.
You're funny!
After criticizing my reading skills it ironic that you didn't appreciate that I wrote barbell curls. A barbell curl of 80-100 lbs is easy for most men. As far as 60lb dumbell curls, a guy with all that synthol induced "hyperplasia" you've mentioned should be able to curl the world, LOL!
1.Regardless,No one I know who has never lifted weights can curl 100lb barbells..Let alone EASLY.
2.None of the guys with these mishapen arms have used synthol. Synthol is frequently used by Strongmen & Powerlifters because it adds muscle.
It's impossible for synthol to add muscle.
Let's step into a fantasy world for a moment. In that crazy fantasy world, I'm a doctor and teach A&P. In that world, nothing supports your theory that synthol adds muscle. It's total nonsense. Hypertrophy occurs (in that world) because the pumps are from increased blood volume in the individial muscle cells.
Back to the real world... If synthol did add muscle, those guys would be stronger. What special kind of nitwit would want non-functional muscle?
synthol takes about 2 years to be absorbed and is then broken down like any other triglyceride
Is that why when guys who inject it, It dissipates within a few weeks?
"Chris Clark, its inventor, is convinced that it somehow leads to permanent muscle growth in the effected areas, though even he is unsure of the mechanisms that would make this possible."
That SETTLES IT, it's 100% effective! ::)
Chris Clark, its inventor, is convinced that it somehow leads to permanent muscle growth in the effected areas, though even he is unsure of the mechanisms that would make this possible.
I would think only scar tissue develops, like that of a major laceration.
Yes this is all that CAN happen...if you were to tear a muscle, the muscle doesnt grow back new fibers, it reattches with scar tissue (post surgery). Johnny Apollo is an absolute idiot. Injecting your muscles with synthol would only create a space in between fibers destroying the muscle. It would either heal when the oil dissapates or fill in with scar tissue. Apollo, please dont tell me to do research, I am a physical therapist, a musculoskelatal expert. so please shut the f**k up.
Girls curling 40lbs...Haha.
I've worked at a gym for 4 years and less than 10% of people who are first time weight lifters can curl 40lb dumbells I would estimate.
NO ONE in my family or whom I know personally has ever curled 40lb dumbells without lifting in the past. NO ONE.
I've been lifting for 10 years and I can only curl 60lb dumbells a few times. That's 60 in each hand.
You're full of shit if you say people can curl 100lbs without ever lifting in their life.
Also That IS what synthol does.
gregg does not belong in that class, he is the one that gave them the idea. gregg was a bbr before he did his arms so... they carry a whole diff look also, somewhat still hard muscular look
Valentino is a scumbag because he attributes to the bad reputation Steroids get in the Media. On that Documentary he attributed Anabolic Steroids to his Arms..HAHA.
You really aren't in a position to laugh at anyone for appearing stupid.
It's funny how everyone tries to post up their supposed credentails and history but none of them know what the f**k they are talking about.
Well sir...if you have been lifting for TEN YEARS ,and lifting steady.....and can only do a few curls with a 60 pound dumbell...then either you were pitifully weak when you started,or you have obviously not been doing something right..whether it be diet or intensity of workouts or just bad form...or all of the above.So given that scenario...why would anyone think that you would know what you were talking about in regards to weight training and/ or muscle?..
Average Height-5'9 1/2
Average Weight-175lbs
Age when the average guy is in the best shape of his life: 23
Percentage of men who consider themselves "physically fit": 69
Percentage who actually are: 13
Time it takes the average guy to run a mile: 8 minutes, 34 seconds
Amount he can bench-press: 135 pounds
Number of situps he can do: 36
Pushups: 27
Pullups: 1
Percentage of men who would never skip another workout if... ...they could build twice the muscle with half the effort: 40
...women began wearing see-through spandex: 16
Size of the average guy's biceps: 13 inches
Size of his chest: 40 inches
Size of his waist: 34 inches
The part of a man's body that's the biggest turn-on for the average woman: His butt
The part the average guy spends the most time trying to develop: His chest
Time period when the typical gym is least crowded: 10 am to 11:30am
Percentage of men who don't belong in a gym: 88
Exercise equipment the average guy is most likely to own: Dumbbells
Number of men who have used their stationary bike in the past week: 1 in 3
Number who haven't hopped on the thing in at least 3 months: 1 in 6
Percentage of men who use their fitness equipment as... ...a place to hang their clothes: 45
...a doorstop: 13
...a weapon: 8
Amount of muscle the average sedentary guy loses each year: 1 pound
Fat he gains each year: 1.1 pounds
Resting heart rate of a fit man: 52 beats per minute (BPM)
Resting heart rate of a man who's out of shape: 72 BPM
Time it takes a fit man to log 8,000,000 heartbeats: 30 years
Time it takes an out-of-shape man: 19 years
Amount the average 40-year-old man would save each year in medical costs if he exercised regularly: $949 Average cost of a 1-year gym membership: $648
His net profit: $301
Number of men who would rather work out than have sex: 1 in 7
Percentage of men (and women) who think that gyms are pickup joints: 14
AVERAGE MAN (spectrum) :
height = 5'8 - 5'10
weight = 160 - 180 lbs.
bench press (max) = 135 - 185 lbs.
deadlift (max) = 185 - 235 lbs.
squat (max) = 185 - 235 lbs.
bicep curl (max double) = 60 - 100 lbs.
bicep curl (max single) = 30 - 50 lbs.
You really aren't in a position to laugh at anyone for appearing stupid.
You can't use averages to isolate whether there are people stronger than you without lifting weights. I wouldn't find many, if any australians who could lift more without training but these islander guys who live here too (samoans and what not) are often huge and above average strength by default.
I see that you are an Internet attention whore Apollo..no such thing as bad publicity eh..as long as you get a bunch of people talking to you over the net it compensates for your empty,dull life.
You've been shown up to be an absolute fool on this thread. Every single person has lampooned your claim that a certified MD opened up that guy's arm and put in giant,potentially life threatening,shapeless implants.
I've explained to you,even in simple,child's terms how these people,with serious mental problems, inject oil at such a rate that even if the body absorbs some it it makes no difference to the overall amount going into the site - like a fisherman bailing out a sinking boat.
Instead of acting humble you carry on with your pathetic,unintelligent witterings ..obviously relishing the fact that you are getting some attention for once in your sorry life..this proves one of two things : you either believe that these are implants willingly placed there by Doctors,or,you know what you're saying is bullshit but love the fact you're getting lots of reaction. Either way,you are a fucking asshole :)
Claiming people who have never even lifted weights in their life are as strong as you're claiming is absurd.
One of its first users was a German strongman who billed himself as having "the world's largest arms" at 27 inches.
Thats your quote.
And thus my comment referring to the fact that following that statement with averages proves very little makes perfect sense.
Besides, if it made no sense, why were you able to respond to it? Surely that would have been the end of the post. Upon elaboration you seem to have fully understood what I said yet you seem unclear as to why I said it. That should be quite obvious now.
At this point in time I'm not interested in wasting my day getting out my dick to debate anything with you, I'm just pointing out that you make a comment dispelling what would be known as exceptional cases and then you follow it with irrevelant information regarding averages. You can try to posture as much as you want, I'm just responding to what you said and what you said was incongruent.
Apollo
But the problem is you have no argument at all. You just say 'they are implants' 'synthol dissipates after three weeks'. That is not an argument,that's akin to a four year old claiming the moon is made of blue cheese. I've explained to you why,scientifically,it makes no difference.
I happen to know I'm right,I don't care if you want to dwell in ignorance,or pretend to be ignorant.
And as for telling me where to post,I will post where I want..I certainly wouldn't let some jobless loser tell me what I can say on Getbig :)
Have fun being the forum clown,have you noticed that everyone is laughing you perchance? You're doing it very well :) :)
If it were oil it wouldn't sit in a giant peak like it does. Oil would spread to other parts of the body,Yet there isn't any in his forearms. Why? 30lbs of oil would surely sink to his forearms but it hasn't.
I can respond to something even if it doesn't make sense mind you...Simply by reiterating what I said before since you apparantly didn't understand it.
Secondly, The posting of averages was in response to the claim that "Most people could curl over 100lbs easly" Not that "Some exceptional people can curl 100lbs who haven't lifted before".
The fact is,no-one agrees with you on anything at all. Your spelling and grammar also indicates a low level of education.
You have proved Oil dissipates? Well,even that is hotly debated by experts (and we are talking real experts,not kids called Apollo on the internet) . However,let's accept it does. In fact, even if it dissipates after three weeks and not the 2-5 years more conservative estimates put it at, what you neglect to address is the fact that these guys do not do a few,minor cycles of oil for aesthetic purposes. They inject large amounts of oils (because it is not just Synthol) on a daily basis with no regard for safety and/or aesthetics.
Even if some of the oil disperses enough of it remains to keep accumulating at a growing rate. Imagine that you are in a boat (the muscle) and it springs a leak and water keeps flooding in (the oils) imagine now that you grab a bucket and start bailing water out (the oil dispersing) even if you bail out a lot of water the rate at which the water is filling the boat is still too great for you to prevent it sinking (the muscle becoming more and more overloaded with oil).
Now,see if you can answer this in an intelligent and grown up manner and I can at least give you credit for just being very,very misguided and unable to listen to others -believe me,this is better than how you are currently being perceived.
Ladies, ladies...Enough fussing!
No one has answered MY question about Ernie Taylor's triceps. Are they oil or implants?
I saw Valentino in the mall one day and I nearly threw up.
I know several people who have used Synthol in the past. It's injected into the heads of the muscles to cause oil to enter the muscle and then after a few weeks it naturally dissipates. Once it dissipates there is a room left over where the synthol used to be,REAL muscle can be grown there. The temporary hollow area is a highly anabolic environment which causes the muscle to naturally "fill out" and fill the area that the oil used to be. New muscle fibers form to fill the area within a few weeks and then you have actuall real muscle replacing it.
This guy has IMPLANTS. There is NO WAY this can be caused by simple synthol injections. I won't repeat myself again...OIL DISSIPATES. Any sort of liquid injected into the muscles or which forms in the muscles dissipates. Anyone who's ever injected testosterone into therself knows that it dissipates.
Apollo - I do not need to use a spellchecker ,but I would urge you to try it sometime.
You have no idea the amount of dumbing down I have to do to converse with you on a level you can understand :)
If you had ever bothered to read my posts in any detail,instead of rushing to type your responses, you would understand that the issue I have with you is your ridiculous claim that Plastic surgeons have willingly performed operations to create those arms. It is nothing even remotely connected to performing an implant insertion in the female breast,which is largely comprised of fatty tissue and avoids the nerves,tendons,arteries etc.. of the arm.
The fact is that these guys do inject liquid silicone - it is a cocktail of synthol,silicone and other agents. If you had listened,you would have understood this. This is well known,men have died doing this - injecting it into their dicks and arms. No plastic surgeon would touch an area so threatening to their career and create walking time bomb freaks,ready to drop dead.
Everything these guys do,they do to themselves..they do not pay a plastic surgeon to do this to them,they use a combination of liquid silicone and synthol, in different quantities,fact!. Go to any MD,Bodybuilding board and you will find this out.
You know this is right,just accept it instead of making an idiot of yourself. This is the last time I will explain it to you.If you choose to be ignorant that is your choice but please be aware : you will never be taken seriously again and eventually people will ignore you for being a fool trying to get attention.
To answer the question, you can use it in any muscle group, but you have to change the way you use it.
Pecs need 3 rows of 3 shots per day per pec to cover the entire pec area, because the pecs are a 'flat' muscle as such the entire muscle has to be 'lifted' evenly.
Same with quads,etc. It is used succesfully in almost every muscle group.
If you do Syntherol PROPERLY, the size will become permanent as real muscle growth is facilitated and it looks natural. Problems are when people abuse it.
Now, this is for the morons, before they start spewing uneducated garbage:
1. Syntherol is NOT an implant. Muscle growth is facilitated if used properly, as properly means using it with the purpose of stretching the fascia of a muscle, then creating an ideal anabolic environment, so the 'space' left by the oil as it dissipates, it's replaced with muscle tissue.
2. the muscle is not 'fake' is used properly. See point 1. Also, because of that powerlifters use it too.
3. it is not any more dangerous to inject than any other injectible oil. It will not kill you any more than testosterone cypionate will!
4. the size will look real, the muscle will have more vascularity and striations IF used properly!
5. Don't be the ultimate cretin and use Valentino as an example as he has implants. It is impossible to look like that with SEOs! It jsut shows your stupidity and lack of education on the subject to use him as an example.
Any uneducated person on the subject is welcome to bring any moronic arguments forward that they wish, so I can crush them with experience, logic and medical evidence.
I am on a rant, because this subject brings out a lot of stupidity forward, from people that have NO CLUE about the subject. This has already been shown in this thread.
If you are not educated on the subject, do a search for my SEO article to educate yourself. It is all over the net.
Site Enhancing Oils, or 'synthol' as commonly known, are possibly the most controversial subject in bodybuilding. That is because there is a huge amount of miseducation and ignorance on the subject.
I first published the article below on the internet in early 2000, and since then it has been reproduced on countless websites and I have become as a the world most authorotive person on the subject, even consulting in the latest book on the subject written by the 'inventor' of the original SEO, Chris Clark.
In 1996 Chris Clark invented the first SEO (Site Enhancing Oil) and named it 'Synthol'. A quick phone call from brystol-Meyers, who hold the trademark rights on the 'Synthol' name, forced Chris Clark to change the name of his product to PumpNPose. However, the name of synthol was stuck with the bodybuilders.
The most popular now are Synthol/PumpnPose, Syntherol, EsikClean, Nuclear Nutrition Site Oil, Cosmostan and Liquid Muscle.
Synthol/PumpnPose is the original product. As such, it charges a lot of money and it's the most expensive variant as it relies on it's name to sell it - the cheapest found is $149.95. There must be a lot of fakes out there since the inventor of it, Chris Clark, charges a wholesale price of over $100 per bottle (and that's for large quantity), so there's no way that some outfits can retail it for $100. The only official distributor for PnP is www.meso-morph.com
Syntherol is my favourite simply because is the only one that I know of that is made by a real pharmaceutical company, so guaranteed sterile, plus it hurts less and the results seem to be better - don't take my word for it, ask around! It's the same formula as Synthol/PumpnPose, with added silica, which is a safe way to make the gains more 'permanent'. It's very refined, so it flows freely through a 28gauge needle, unlike the others which need as much as 21gauge needles to go through properly!
It's also the number 1 best selling Site Oil in the world, so they must be doing something right! And Synthetek (the maker of Syntherol) is the only company to offer a double money back guarantee and they never had any complaints from any customer from anywhere in the world! By far my choice, plus, it's cheap - $129.95. www.synthetek.com
EsikClean - same formula as Synthol, but it has colagen added. That makes it a very bad choice to use in my opinion. When you use site oils, the biggest problem is the formation of scar tissue. You don't want any scar tissue build up when you use site oils. Scar tissue is colagen buildup due to the trauma caused to the muscle by sticking a needle in there. As such, I would not help the build up of scar tissue in the muscle by injecting colagen. So, that's a bad choice. $100 per bottle www.synthol-direct.com Plus these are the people that counterfited Chris Clark's PnP and Synthetek's Syntherol, so one wonders how 'genuine' they are. Their associated websites are www.synthol.com, www.finalabs.com, www.zoelabs.com, www.pumpnpose.com, www.primolabs.com I strongly recommend that people stay away from them!
Nuclear Nutrition Oil - is a very good product, which works quite well. It's exactly as Syntherol, plus the addition of a small amount of prohormones. I am not a big fan of prohormones due to the reason that they will give you more side effects than benefits. Also, because of the prohormones, you cannot import it into countries like Canada or Australia, where prohormones are illegal. Still a good product - $149.95 www.nuclearnutrition.com
Cosmostan is another one that I recomend that people don't use. It has two anabolic steroids added to it. Because the SEO oil is a very long chain fatty acid, it will wrap itself around the steroid oil, as such not allow the steroid oil to be dissipated timely and for the body to assimilate the steroid. Also, both steroids contained in it are esterified, as such, they would have absolutely zero effect on localised growth as all esterified steroids have to travel to the liver first. Also, because of the steroids contained in it, it is illegal in most places in the world and women cannot use it. On top of all this, it also contains collagen, which as previously mentioned is an extremely bad idea as collagen primary causes scar tissue, exactly what should be avoided during SEO use. I am not sure of the price (never been interested in this product). Available from www.apex-pharmaceuticals.com
Liquid Muscle - same as PumpnPose, but at $199.95 per bottle. However, I can't find too much about it and about who makes it, as it seems as a small outfit and as such I have trouble trusting it 100%, especially when I am supposed to inject their stuff into MY body. They do advertise all over the bodybuilding magazines in the back sections, but that doesn't mean much. www.liquidmuscle.com
There's a ton of other brands, but the above are the most well known. The other brands available, I personally would not trust since they come from very small outfits, so you don't know whether they are sterile, properly manufactured or most likely just mixed together in somebody's 'bathtub'.
Site oils can be used for two purposes - to increase the size of a muscle or to shape a muscle.
To increase size, lets use the biceps for example. You need to inject in EVERY head of the muscle, while rotating the shots daily within that head. This is the only way to ensure that the added size keeps to your natural look/shape of the muscle. The quickest way to get a muscle up to maximum size is to do the following regimen: 1ml for 10 days in each head of the muscle. 2ml for 10 days. 3ml for 10 days. If you do both, the biceps and triceps simultaneously, you can add up to 3" on your arms in those 30 days.
Now, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!: you HAVE to massage the area that you just injected SEVERELLY! You have to make sure that there's no lump forming. The muscle should always be soft. You should NEVER have a lump. It is also a good idea, to inject just before going to the gym, so as soon as you get to the gym, you should do a couple light weight, high reps sets for that muscle, to get the blood moving. This again will minimise lump formation. You have to keep in mind, that as soon as lumps form because you did not massage, scar tissue will form as well. You want to avoid scar tissue at all costs. Also, to minimise scar tissue build up, use VERY small needles, like 25g or 26g, inch or 1inch long (depending on the injection site) and inject VERY slowly. If you find that you cannot keep with the lump build up, but you are due for another shot, wait until, by massaging, the lump goes away (it should not be more than a couple of days) and then resume from where you left off.
If you have all the size you wish and just want to shape the muscle, as adding a peak on the biceps, then inject the spot, in the peak of the muscle, with 1ml every day or every second day until you obtain the peak that you desire.
What I recommend to people that are just starting out using these oils is to use 1ml per head of muscle per day, or every second day, for a week or so and see how they react to it. That way they can judge how many ml they can use per muscle head and how often.
Where to inject - BICEPS - inner and outer head. You can feel the `split' in between the two heads of the biceps when you feel with your other hand. Inject on each side of that. If you want to increase the length/thickness of the bicep, inject more in the inner head (closer to your body). If you want to increase the peak, inject more in the outer head.
TRICEPS - You don't need to inject in the outer/horseshoe head, unless it is really lacking behind. You inject in the middle and rear heads of the triceps. Generally, at the back of your arm, the upper portion is the rear head and the lower portion is the middle head, as the two heads overlap each other somewhat.
DELTOIDS - just inject straight into whatever head is lacking in size.
CALVES - Natural calves, no matter how big the are, have a `flat' look to the muscle. So you want to keep that look, you don't want to have your calves looking round like someone stuck an air hose in there. So, you inject in multiple shots, on the outside edges of the muscle. That will make the calf go outwards, while keeping the flat, natural look.
QUADS - With muscles this large, you need to do multiple daily injections. Where in the biceps you use 1ml per head per day to begin with, on quads you need to start with 1ml per site, 7 sites per quad. That is to avoid the `lumpy' look and keep the quad uniform. Again, to keep the natural look of the thigh, you should inject in the `peak' of the outer quad, injecting along the crest. If the teardrop is lacking, then just inject straight into it, rotating sites daily. I personally don't recommend quad shots, especially teardrop, due to the very high amount of nerves in the area.
PECS - pecs are a very large, 'flat' type of muscle. As such, the injections have to cover the entire area of the muscle, to 'lift' it at the same time, otherwise a lumpy look will result. I recomend three rows of three shots per pec per day.
I strongly recommend that you get some anatomy charts and study the muscles and the nerves that are in the area that you want to inject.
How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that `popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the `space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays/MRIs where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle.
The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.
As well, this is the same principle behind fascial stretching. Howver, it is much more efficient with Site Oils. Best example is to imagine a baloon. You can pull on it and stretch it as much as you want, and you will stretch it a bit. But if you fill it with a liquid, you will be able to stretch it to a much larger degree than just pulling on it from the outside. This is the best way to compare the efficiency of fascial stretching versus using Site Oils.
Pain - obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon or Testosterone Propionate. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them.
Dangers - Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly - USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world. On a side note, people like Greg Valentino have implants, not SEO's in their muscles. It is physiologically impossible to look like these guys do with SEOs. Hopefully that puts that myth to rest.
Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion.
All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!
Well if this "synthol" is a so called muscle builder then it needs to be used in the medical field for post-polio victims, para-pelagic, nerve damaged victims, ect...
you are confusing "building new muscle" to " the body reacting and healing itself from a foreign chemical, ect, which causes bumps, swelling, ect...
QUOTE FROM ABOVE:
Artecoll utilizes the body's natural ability to encapsulate foreign bodies by the formation of connective tissue surrounding the PMMA beads. The process of encapsulation of the beads by the body's own connective tissue (collagen) is complete in about 3 months. Absorption and dislocation of the beads is prevented by the encapsulation of each individual bead with connective tissue. Localized growth reportedly takes place over several months as the body forms its own connective tissue around the beads.
Thats not building new muscle fibers like you claimed..
I have once again supplied my side of the arguement but you have still yet to supply us with proof of your claims....bro... ::)
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Nothing that you've ever said has refuted the fact that these guys do the injections themselves. You seem to to think posting other people's thoughts,that aren't even relevant to the point here - instead of your own- somehow compensates for your inability to analyse,logically,a really rather specific point.
You claim that surgeons perform these implants when it is far more obvious and rational to assume that,as a lot of bodybuilders do and have done,they experiment with injections on themselves and use their own combination of oils. Again,you ignore what is convenient to you - plastic surgeons will do all sorts of things if you sign a disclaimer (they even make you like a lion if you want) but these are relatively safe procedures and whilst visually not pleasant to most of us they are not potentially lethal and harmful to the human body.
Even if you find 1 surgeon in a million prepared to do it you will find a thousand mentally unstable people willing to take a syringe full of Silicone,synthol et al and inject it into their arm..
The fact is you claimed these were implants,everybody knows that is patently not true,they are combination of silicone,synthol and other oils injected regularly over time. No one is agreeing with you because you're wrong...you're also extremely unintelligent and I will say goodbye - just please be aware that everyone knows you're wrong and you can rip off articles from people but until you can utilise your own cognitive faculties and think for yourself you will keep looking an idiot.
lmao ive been reading this thread for last three days and i can say is Johnny Apollo u r one stupid idiot man . u havent proved shit. u keep sayin it was a doctor who put implants in the guys arms like that u r fuckin stupid of course truegrit is right and they inject that shit themself. i know i have buddies who are serious bodybuilders which u aint.noone agree with u becuz ur an idiot man. wake up and smell the coffee u retard. also y r u backtrakkin u said it was implants then u say it might be silicon injections and then you call the guy that told u stupid. u r a funny guy think u need this smiley :-X ;D
sorry bro but u dont no when to quit. u keep saying different shit thenbacktrakkin and calling everyone else stupid
You can't debate me so you copout with "Aww why do I bother" and other B.S.
Either refute my point or...
SHUT THE f**k UP
Breast implants are done outside of the muscle in the fatty area of the breast. This is common knowledge. If you don't know that,You're a fool.
You can cleary see the injection sites on the man's biceps. So JA is proven to be wrong.
The expression on the guy behind him: priceless..
Girlfriend looks thrilled.
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this guy is a god I tell ya.....a god;D
this picture tells the whole story...His girlfriend is obviously his sister(same exact face)...
http://www.advanced-art.com/Breast-Aug-Over-Under.htm
"you're a fool"
Also, that work on the green guy was not done by a plastic surgeon, it was done, without the use of anesthetic, by body morph/ tatoo artists. So much for "proof"
This guy has plates implanted into his fucking brows. He had his tounge split in two. No anesthetic? Riiiight!
"...more stupid..."
Stone, meet glass house.
Don't believe me if you want. You were proved wrong once by me already. If you want me to do it again, you are stupider than I thought.
http://www.advanced-art.com/Breast-Aug-Over-Under.htm
"you're a fool"
Quote from: Johnny Apollo on March 10, 2006, 08:30:50 AM
Johnny Apollo says:
"Breast implants are done outside of the muscle in the fatty area of the breast. This is common knowledge. If you don't know that,You're a fool."
miss that did we?
You're delusional.
Women who have implants don't get them inside of the muscle,They get them in the fatty area of their chest OUTSIDE of their muscles..That's why they can still benchpress.
You're delusional.
Women who have implants don't get them inside of the muscle,They get them in the fatty area of their chest OUTSIDE of their muscles..That's why they can still benchpress.
You're delusional.
Women who have implants don't get them inside of the muscle,They get them in the fatty area of their chest OUTSIDE of their muscles..That's why they can still benchpress.
Stop making up history
I am starting to enjoy quoting you.
How exactly does the link I posted agree with what you said?
"You're delusional."
I simply said "Women who have implants don't get them inside of the muscle" I never said "ALL Women who have implants don't get them inside of the muscle". What I meant was that Some women don't get their implants under the muscle but in the fatty area.
so then, how can they still benchpress?? You made it clear that they can benchpress only because of the implant outside the muscle.
Yep. Apollo you obviously meant implants are never put under the muscle. Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about.
so then, how can they still benchpress?? You made it clear that they can benchpress only because of the implant outside the muscle.
Yep. Apollo you obviously meant implants are never put under the muscle. Just admit you didn't know what you were talking about.
I never said that. It's not my fault you interpret what I say into what you wanted me to say just to benefit your argument.
:o Shut the f up!! You have no clue what you are talking about.What you say does not even make any sense.You stated that "Women who have implants don't get them inside of the muscle,They get them in the fatty area of their chest OUTSIDE of their muscles..That's why they can still benchpress."...now you are saying that you only ment some women.And how the f*ck would you know what effect an implant does or does not have on muscle function?...boob.
I never said that. It's not my fault you interpret what I say into what you wanted me to say just to benefit your argument.