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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Gainsi on December 13, 2015, 03:50:36 PM
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I know most of you here are big advocates of high Testosterone for putting on size and this keeps me pondering on the same question over and over again, is Testosterone always needed in high doses to grow to our fullest potential?
For all those that run Testosterone, what dose do you run it at and which ester do you use? (Please specify for both bulking and cutting).
The reason I ask is because I personally am able to handle Testosterone Propionate much better than Enanthate. I don't know why, both are Testosterone, but I ran 1.5cc of propionate ED in the past with little acne and oilyness, where 600mg of enanthate makes me sweat oil (200mg 3x a week). I was also using 0.5cc ED on my cut, and I had barely any grease. However, when I started cruising on 300mg of Testosterone Enanthate a week, everything got weird and greasy again.
Also, for those who bulk, do you all use high Testosterone, or at least 500mg + per week? Or are some of you, who have similar issues as me, still able to grow off compounds like Deca-Durabolin?
The reason I ask, is because I don't tolerate Testosterone well. I get really bad estrogenic side effects. My estrogen is always messed up, either too high or too low. I get really oily skin mainly and mostly from Testosterone. I find that my body would handle better low Testosterone cycles with other compounds as a base. Like low Trenbolone or high Deca. With low Testosterone, my body would be able to handle itself better, and I wouldn't need to worry about estrogenic side effects because even with AIs, I have a hard time controlling the acne.
I have seen some of you here doing low Test, high Deca, with Anadrol and growing well. Would be nice to get all your thoughts here, would like to discuss this in detail to further my understand on which compounds and at what dosages could be successfully used during a bulk to put on decent amount of size.
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dude, bodybuilding is just not for you...
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I used to do low test until jizmo open my eyes..
I go to 1 g from 250 mg and i am 92kg from 85 i was stuck
Fuck low test , is good only for cuting
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I never ran test below 500mg while blasting but never more than 750mg because i aromatize way too much.
If i could i would run test at 1g+, cut or bulk doesnt matter. For most people the gram mark is where the diminishing return starts, better add other compounds.
Always run long esther since its in my body year round. Enanthate is what i use, started a blend of decanoate and enanthate recently (T400) and like it (for a cruise).
I react very bad to prop for some reason (horrible pip).
Its probably the best compound there is when you take in consideration the effectiveness, the sides the versatility and the price. I just wish i didnt have to run so much AIs with it.
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I never ran test below 500mg while blasting but never more than 750mg because i aromatize way too much.
If i could i would run test at 1g+, cut or bulk doesnt matter. For most people the gram mark is where the diminishing return starts, better add other compounds.
Always run long esther since its in my body year round. Enanthate is what i use, started a blend of decanoate and enanthate recently (T400) and like it (for a cruise).
I react very bad to prop for some reason (horrible pip).
Its probably the best compound there is when you take in consideration the effectiveness, the sides the versatility and the price. I just wish i didnt have to run so much AIs with it.
How much ai u need heenok ? Is first time i go this dose and i am taking 1 mg adex per week
I inject 500 mg tues+friday and take 0,5 adex on wednesday+saturday and i am ok
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Gainsi if your trying to be a pro I hope you know those guys life's genuinely suck. Most the pro's are always broke, and only the top 10 in the world really make money that is worth the side effects that will come in time. Maybe you should slow it down on some of these cycles your running and figure out how your body responds to all the different steroids and esters before mega dosing. One theory I always had about why people claim to have less side effects while on test propionate is because there estrogen is more level do to the frequent injections, and that makes it easier to dose your AI efficiently. Even injecting test E twice a week has a peak and a trough.
But to answer your question is testosterone always needed in high dosages to reach a persons maximal potential... I would say yes it is. Your talking about a persons maximum potential though. Somebody could still gain a incredibly freaky big physique with lower dosages of testosterone combined with other drugs. If you get shitty acne from testosterone and steroids just remember those acne scars can last for life and once you get them really bad there is no amount of muscle that will make your physique worth the scars you will have. I have a shit load of acne scars so I know what I'm talking about, and it sucks to not be able to wear a tank top ever again even if I get in amazing shape.
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this is just my experience with test
ran test cyp two times about 600 to 800 mgs a wk, strong as hell big but bloated
ran test p 150 mgs every other day , looked like shit and bad pip
rant test e 600 mgs a wk, looked better but still watery
all those experiences i had nolvadex on hand and used it spareringly
I didnt have test dialed in till i figured out my ai s. Now i can stay pretty clean looking on 1500mgs a wk
i do frequent injections aswell now, i think when i was younger i was more scared of needles and pinned less at higher dose and i am gyno prone, i have pretty much tried all the ais and adex works the best for me, i also use t3 now with my cycles to which i have never used before. If i take 1mg of adex every other day i can handle test e with no problem, if i want to dry out a bit more i will go up to 1mg of adex a day but my sex drive will suffer and i have a knew chick at the moment and she is already on the fence about my steroid use so i dropped the adex to three times a wk.
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To the Op... I get oily and bad acne on test...
2 things helped out... isotretinoin while I was off
2, I did deca 300 and test 200 and gained good muscle with little to no sides
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I use sustanon. eod when I do.
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I use sustanon. eod when I do.
I to like sustanon. Works well for me.
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I use sustanon. eod when I do.
how much of it are you running per week
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I also like sust the most with enanthate in close 2nd. Broke my cherry with sust
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how much of it are you running per week
1400mgs of sust total. stuff is 350mg/ml. I may miss a day here and there.
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Gainsi if your trying to be a pro I hope you know those guys life's genuinely suck. Most the pro's are always broke, and only the top 10 in the world really make money that is worth the side effects that will come in time. Maybe you should slow it down on some of these cycles your running and figure out how your body responds to all the different steroids and esters before mega dosing. One theory I always had about why people claim to have less side effects while on test propionate is because there estrogen is more level do to the frequent injections, and that makes it easier to dose your AI efficiently. Even injecting test E twice a week has a peak and a trough.
But to answer your question is testosterone always needed in high dosages to reach a persons maximal potential... I would say yes it is. Your talking about a persons maximum potential though. Somebody could still gain a incredibly freaky big physique with lower dosages of testosterone combined with other drugs. If you get shitty acne from testosterone and steroids just remember those acne scars can last for life and once you get them really bad there is no amount of muscle that will make your physique worth the scars you will have. I have a shit load of acne scars so I know what I'm talking about, and it sucks to not be able to wear a tank top ever again even if I get in amazing shape.
When I first started steroids at 17, I started with a turinabol cycle 40mg a day with supports and a PCT. Than I started my first testosterone enanthate cycle twice a week injects 250x2 with no ai. Ended my blast with anavar 150 a day, nearly blasted my brain open from hbp and abuse. Of course i knew fk all about steroids. I thought the more the better. Than directly decided to follow my friends footsteps into b&c and hop on tren ace, soon it became who can run the most. Got up to 1.2g a week, i remember how fucked up i felt, and didnt even care, all i wanted was more lol. Sitting in my room feeling extremely isolated. Than directly went on a bostin loyd cycle, and this one fucked my physique for good. 400mg test cyp eod, 200mg npp eod switch to 150 tren ace eod 6 weeks in, 200 eq eod. He even wanted me to use slin gh and peps. Thats where i got my gyno and SEVERE ACNE. Was so severe i was put on accutane and antibiotics and couldn't lift for 7-8 months. Because my skin was falling off, i dont mean small pealing, i mean literally see my fucking meat everywhere. Scars are so bad now. Did couple treatments but useless from severity, came to notice that the accutane fucked me up, skin couldn't heal and had severe huge acne boils everywhere. So nasty, was stuck home regretted my life for 7-8 months. And started blasting again. Cruised during the time off. Talking about scars, i have been through one of the worst you could imagine, i even have pics but they are too fked up to look at.
And i agree with everything you are saying. My eyes only open later, when i have regrets because im so damn impulsive lol. That's when i care, when it's too late to go back and fix things, scars are for life, now I can't even dare wearing even a tank. Or taking off shirt in showers or at the beach, swimming pool, etc.
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Why Sustanon?
And for everyone who has used both Deca and Nandrolone Phenylprop, which do you prefer? Would you combine both long short estered nanadrolones on a bulk?
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Fuck man, that was rough to read and I seriously have no idea what I could tell you to help. Do you think (serious question, not fuckin with you) you should get covered up in tats to hide the skin if it helped you feel better?
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Fuck man, that was rough to read and I seriously have no idea what I could tell you to help. Do you think (serious question, not fuckin with you) you should get covered up in tats to hide the skin if it helped you feel better?
Hahaha me and my friend discussed this so much. He told me, as long as my acne isnt 100% fully under control, the tattoo artist will never agree to tattoo over it. And if he does, future breakouts will ruin it. This is why I am trying so hard to fix my acne issue. It has been HELL every single fkn day of the year, living with this. Ruins my mood, ruins my training, ruins everything lol. I'm serious. Any fluctuation makes me break out. This is why, I'm taking smarter approaches now, using much less harsh compounds, and trying to optimize with the useful ones as Jizmo and the others said.
I really want to tattoo my whole body. Now i have a girl I'm seeing, can't imagine the look on her face if i sleep with her...
Now I have my test dialed in, and my estro as well. I feel like a million dollars. I'm growing so much, 210lbs now, still reletavily lean, because my diet is spot on, had everything written and prepped by my coach, 7 meals a day.
Everytime something good happens, i always want to just increase increase increase lol. Like now test is working, all a sudden i have this urge to ask my coach to bump my dosage to 750 and deca 600. But gunna stick to something good for once, and let the hormones be, just keep dieting training and sleeping. Gh is saving my ass tons
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Fuck man, that was rough to read and I seriously have no idea what I could tell you to help. Do you think (serious question, not fuckin with you) you should get covered up in tats to hide the skin if it helped you feel better?
yakuza full body suit for the win. There is no more acne or very little where there is ink (speaking from experience).
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To be honest, Trenbolone will always cause the biggest hormone fluctuation. Your body adjusts or gets used to having such high levels of androgens injected exogenously on a daily. Talking about 100mg ED, sometimes I would ramp up to 150 or up to 300 and back down to 100, but never lower than 100. I never ever missed a shot lol, even when i flew to Europe, I take my schedule really seriously, and even have exact days for everything written on my phone. But imagine coming off Tren, your body is like wtf are you doing to me, you aren't supplying me enough, your brain as well got so used to it, it only wants tren lol. I could say I definitely am addicted to tren, and i am trying to stay as far away from that delicious tasty oil. But yea, your hormones go so low, and your body tries to adjust and you get massive break out on random spots you never got before, delts, scalp, lower back. But it's getting slowly better. Tren is a massive dht, and would cause acne to any acne prone individual, if my test wasn't low most of the time, 7-8 months out of 12 in the year, I'd be covered.
For growth though, you NEED test with tren, tren wont make you grow without the proper estrogen levels. And tren wont shed down fat if estro is too high. It works in different ways
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yakuza full body suit for the win. There is no more acne or very little where there is ink (speaking from experience).
Lol you have pics?
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gainsi,get some hgh if you are so into this shit. I dont know why are using tons of aas when you can gain better gains from combining aas with gh.it willhelp with your skin also.
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gainsi,get some hgh if you are so into this shit. I dont know why are using tons of aas when you can gain better gains from combining aas with gh.it willhelp with your skin also.
I abused the shit out of gh. Boostropin 15 units a day from day one. Pumps were so insane i wanted to cry. My skin was GORGEOUS glow on it. So vascular. Lowered it down due to costs. Now I'm using a better brand, only 7.5 units. 450$ CAD every 14 days, feels bad man. I have been looking into slin instead of orals, is it worth it?
Ive been looking so hard for cheap quality pharma HGH, Testosterone and Deca-Durabolin.
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Bruh, why you so big, I'm mad jelly at both size and tattoo. I love these kind of tats
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That's a very cool lookin tatoo!
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I abused the shit out of gh. Boostropin 15 units a day from day one. Pumps were so insane i wanted to cry. My skin was GORGEOUS glow on it. So vascular. Lowered it down due to costs. Now I'm using a better brand, only 7.5 units. 450$ CAD every 14 days, feels bad man. I have been looking into slin instead of orals, is it worth it?
Ive been looking so hard for cheap quality pharma HGH, Testosterone and Deca-Durabolin.
Never used slin...i just stay on gh year round and do aas 5-6 months a year, going with low test +eq/tren/mast. Only oral i use is anavar,
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Bruh, why you so big, I'm mad jelly at both size and tattoo. I love these kind of tats
Thx, mane. could be bigger but i am working on it.
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That's a very cool lookin tatoo!
thx, man. doing one on my leg right now. same style. this one on the back is 5 years old.
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Never used slin...i just stay on gh year round and do aas 5-6 months a year, going with low test +eq/tren/mast. Only oral i use is anavar,
If you don't mind me asking, sorry for the questions, do you use generics or pharmaceutical, and what dosage? I shoot 7.5 units generic before bed, and i find it insuffisant, I always look for the most beneficial dose without too many downsides. 10+ units a day seems to be the sweet spot for me.
And test eq tren mast, thats my favorite combo with epi and var :)
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If you don't mind me asking, sorry for the questions, do you use generics or pharmaceutical, and what dosage? I shoot 7.5 units generic before bed, and i find it insuffisant, I always look for the most beneficial dose without too many downsides. 10+ units a day seems to be the sweet spot for me.
And test eq tren mast, thats my favorite combo with epi and var :)
So far i have been on since March 2014, keeping doses small around 4-6 UI ED morning pins on empty stomach.
In Nov. 2015 I started PCT and bumped to 9UI ED for 30 days to help with recovery. Now I plan to cruise on 4.5 UI ED till end of March 2016 when I will blast 9-10 ED (depends on money) with aas. In the past never used more than 1 gram of aas per week which i did couse i was more into combat sports than bodybuilding. I plan to increase the aas to 2 g EW and focus on size and power.
I use geno pens 36 UI miniquick.
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How much ai u need heenok ? Is first time i go this dose and i am taking 1 mg adex per week
I inject 500 mg tues+friday and take 0,5 adex on wednesday+saturday and i am ok
About 1mg of adex or 25mg asin ED for 700mg+ of test a week
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About 1mg of adex or 25mg asin ED for 700mg+ of test a week
25mg a day crashed my estro on 600. Skipped a day, and now doing 12.5 ed and so far so good, it gets too high ill try 1 1/2 pill. Each pill is 12.5
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So far i have been on since March 2014, keeping doses small around 4-6 UI ED morning pins on empty stomach.
In Nov. 2015 I started PCT and bumped to 9UI ED for 30 days to help with recovery. Now I plan to cruise on 4.5 UI ED till end of March 2016 when I will blast 9-10 ED (depends on money) with aas. In the past never used more than 1 gram of aas per week which i did couse i was more into combat sports than bodybuilding. I plan to increase the aas to 2 g EW and focus on size and power.
I use geno pens 36 UI miniquick.
How does 10 units feel haha, i bet amazing! I wish i could run 10iu of pharma HGH year round, don't we all though :(
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25mg a day crashed my estro on 600. Skipped a day, and now doing 12.5 ed and so far so good, it gets too high ill try 1 1/2 pill. Each pill is 12.5
Everyone aromatize at at different rate. I happen to be one of the few unlucky ones who aromatise like a mofo.
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How does 10 units feel haha, i bet amazing! I wish i could run 10iu of pharma HGH year round, don't we all though :(
its pretty good except from the financial perspective. i ate tons of pizza and burgers and didnt gain any fat whatsoever.
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its pretty good except from the financial perspective. i ate tons of pizza and burgers and didnt gain any fat whatsoever.
When I read posts like that, makes me wonder how the hell pro's can come in so soft if they got GH and everything else they use in their systems...
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When I read posts like that, makes me wonder how the hell pro's can come in so soft if they got GH and everything else they use in their systems...
because they eat tons of pizza and burgers too
what an epic waste of money
if you throw out the cash for 10iu pharm GH a day then at least fucking eat properly to get something out of it.
unless youre willing to pay 50 bucks a day to be able to eat like shit lol. waste of time and $ imo
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i find if i just do the burger pattie and cheese loose the bun i can scarf down a couple meals a wk of just burgers and it seams to benefit my look, but pizza on the other hand just puts on handles
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When I read posts like that, makes me wonder how the hell pro's can come in so soft if they got GH and everything else they use in their systems...
they also use slin imo.
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because they eat tons of pizza and burgers too
what an epic waste of money
if you throw out the cash for 10iu pharm GH a day then at least fucking eat properly to get something out of it.
unless youre willing to pay 50 bucks a day to be able to eat like shit lol. waste of time and $ imo
I tend to disagree with you here. I did not eat like total shit, just got some xtra cals from either wholewheat pizza and some plain double cheeseburgers once a day. other than it is all nutritious food, which was home made and healthy.
I kept my weight during the last 5 weeks off AAS and strength has remained the same. Moreover, i have not increased my bf.
15 more weeks and I will be on again (if everything is ok and blood looks good) and then I will go with carb cycling and high protein/high fat diet, but i prefer to have tren/eq/test in the blood.
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I tend to disagree with you here. I did not eat like total shit, just got some xtra cals from either wholewheat pizza and some plain double cheeseburgers once a day. other than it is all nutritious food, which was home made and healthy.
I kept my weight during the last 5 weeks off AAS and strength has remained the same. Moreover, i have not increased my bf.
15 more weeks and I will be on again (if everything is ok and blood looks good) and then I will go with carb cycling and high protein/high fat diet, but i prefer to have tren/eq/test in the blood.
well, your "i ate tons of pizza and burgers" sounded like you kinda used GH as a crutch to eat like utter shit all day lol
if you need the calories and get them in clean then im a proponent of fast food
however i wouldve rather enjoyed some nice fat loss from the GH instead of pumping the kcals so hard... but all personal preference i guess
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well, your "i ate tons of pizza and burgers" sounded like you kinda used GH as a crutch to eat like utter shit all day lol
if you need the calories and get them in clean then im a proponent of fast food
however i wouldve rather enjoyed some nice fat loss from the GH instead of pumping the kcals so hard... but all personal preference i guess
Yeah, I exaggerated a lil bit, but still am using GH as a crutch as you suggested.
Before GH I ate clean all the time. I had one cheat meal on Sunday and that was it. I had to go easy on the carbs or else I gained fat. and I stayed around 190-200 pounds same condition i am now.
Nowadays I eat more food, I eat cake, chocolate, pizza and other stuff on a daily basis but dont gain BF just stay around 230 pounds. I work 10-12 hours ED and have a kid, which makes strict diet harder, but thats BS. I will clean up my eating habits in April and will go for conditioning when I have ass in blood I dont really wont to be more than 230-240 pounds in super condition with lots of stamina.. Till then is heavy weights, lots of food, and lots of striking.