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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Nether Animal on December 18, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
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Maybe he couldn't train it properly cuz of his bad shoulders?
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Lazy trainer.
Generation nothingness.
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I think had Paul had Jodie Miller in his corner, he would be 15x Mr O b now.
:D
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First pic is 2006 comeback.
Second two are him at his supposed "best." But it really was because post-97ish Dillett is garbage.
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Glutes not striated. Ronnie is not impressed.
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Back is wider in the FDB pose than in the RL pose.
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I doubt it had anything to do with the way he trained it, his back was just a genetically weak. Nothing much can be done.
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man if paul could have got his back in, he would have been unbeatable , from the front he was a fucking animal.
guy was a super responder to drugs thats for sure, cause he trained like a pussy
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I doubt it had anything to do with the way he trained it, his back was just a genetically weak. Nothing much can be done.
If you ever watched vids of him train, especially back (like lat pulldowns) he would just pull the weight down real fast, with no squeeze---just up and down. Also, his back would "open up" in the FDB pose or variation of that, but not when doing a FLS or RLS pose. So, it tells you something about his training and posing.
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If you ever watched vids of him train, especially back (like lat pulldowns) he would just pull the weight down real fast, with no squeeze---just up and down. Also, his back would "open up" in the FDB pose or variation of that, but not when doing a FLS or RLS pose. So, it tells you something about his training and posing.
How people train tends to be unique to them. Dillett's workouts were famous for being uninspired and he would have trained his back in a similar way he would have trained other body parts. However, while those other parts responded superbly, his back remained stagnant. That's a clear sign of a genetic issue.
He obviously would have been aware that his back was holding him back so I'm sure he would have tried different routines, exercises, rep ranges...etc to trigger a response but it remained a weakness.
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How people train tends to be unique to them. Dillett's workouts were famous for being uninspired and he would have trained his back in a similar way he would have trained other body parts. However, while those other parts responded superbly, his back remained stagnant. That's a clear sign of a genetic issue.
He obviously would have been aware that his back was holding him back so I'm sure he would have tried different routines, exercises, rep ranges...etc to trigger a response but it remained a weakness.
Problem is, you can't necessarily train back like other bodyparts. Just look at how Bertil Fox trained. He was completely two different bodybuilders, one from the front, and one from the back. His odd training didn't work that well from the front.
And are really sure you think he would have tried different routines? The man couldn't pose for the life of him. That takes practice. And it seem like he didn't do that. he didn't care. Plus, he had shoulder injuries.
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Poor poser, poor training habits, and insane genetics. What a waste. I heard he was a good poser outside of contests, but when he would step on stage, he'd just freeze up.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/30aq88x.png)
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With a little more thickness, and opening up both sides in a proportionate manner, his back wouldn't have been a liability here:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=588566.0;attach=662779;image)
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With a little more thickness, and opening up both sides in a proportionate manner, his back wouldn't have been a liability here:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=588566.0;attach=662779;image)
Same condition as Jason Genova............
(http://i.imgur.com/voyW8.png)
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:)
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Same condition as Jason Genova............
(http://i.imgur.com/voyW8.png)
Winged scapula? Don't think Dillett has that....
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Poor poser, poor training habits, and insane genetics. What a waste. I heard he was a good poser outside of contests, but when he would step on stage, he'd just freeze up.
(http://i35.tinypic.com/30aq88x.png)
?????????/ wtf being attacked by schmoes...[i know what really happened]
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?????????/ wtf being attacked by schmoes...[i know what really happened]
Wouldn't have happened if Bobby Sly was present.
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Problem is, you can't necessarily train back like other bodyparts. Just look at how Bertil Fox trained. He was completely two different bodybuilders, one from the front, and one from the back. His odd training didn't work that well from the front.
And are really sure you think he would have tried different routines? The man couldn't pose for the life of him. That takes practice. And it seem like he didn't do that. he didn't care. Plus, he had shoulder injuries.
I agree that his back training was poor but I'm not convinced it made a huge difference in the grand scheme of things. I think a genetically strong body part will grow on any routine while a weak one will struggle to develop regardless of how well trained. For instance, I'm sure you have some body parts that are better than others? Would you put it down to a failure to train those weaker parts properly or accept it's just a genetic issue?
I'm speculating regarding Dillett trying different routines. However, we are looking at a man who's willing to take copious amounts of drugs and who's willing diet to the most extreme levels in order to achieve a certain look. I'm pretty sure he would have attempted different things in order to improve on a glaring weakness but it just wasn't meant to be.
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If you ever watched vids of him train, especially back (like lat pulldowns) he would just pull the weight down real fast, with no squeeze---just up and down. Also, his back would "open up" in the FDB pose or variation of that, but not when doing a FLS or RLS pose. So, it tells you something about his training and posing.
This is what I would suspect........no mind/muscle connection.
Very hard to establish for most people when it comes to training the upper back/lats areas.
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I remember reading once that Dillet didn't train his arm's directly. That he worked
them enough during his back workout. IF this is true, then it shows how piss poor
his back workouts were at actually working the back.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=588566.0;attach=662820;image)
That's still a crazy shot.
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This is what I would suspect........no mind/muscle connection.
Very hard to establish for most people when it comes to training the upper back/lats areas.
I don't think Ronnie (nor Flex) had much of a mind (nor muscle connection) to train with. They just had it.
Dillet "says" he had no shoulder cartilage and any action with shoulders was agony. Think of a BDB and shoulder retraction and you can see where the probelm would be if he is not lying. My front delts and rotator cuff are bad, not fucked, and that movement alone (yes pulling a BDB) hurts badly. Can't imagine you could build much there without genetics and I think he used all his genetic lotto cards already.
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I remember when Paul trained at my gym for a good 2 years. The guy was as big as a house when he was on and in full force.
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Prob nerve damage
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He liked to train while biting a towel.
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His lower part of back can be more developed to get fair comparison with MR. O!
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I remember reading once that Dillet didn't train his arm's directly. That he worked
them enough during his back workout. IF this is true, then it shows how piss poor
his back workouts were at actually working the back.
Paul Dillett training back. No squeeze at the end of the movement, especially in the second vid with lat machines.
Paul Dillett training arms
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Paul Dillett training back. No squeeze at the end of the movement, especially in the second vid with lat machines.
It's like Yates always said, if you have a dominant body part it will take over on some exercises.
Paul could probably use one of these old Nautilus machines
(https://www.t-nation.com/system/publishing/article_assets/3510/original/Nautilus-Pullover.jpg?ts=1441304772)
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I don't think Ronnie (nor Flex) had much of a mind (nor muscle connection) to train with. They just had it.
Dillet "says" he had no shoulder cartilage and any action with shoulders was agony. Think of a BDB and shoulder retraction and you can see where the probelm would be if he is not lying. My front delts and rotator cuff are bad, not fucked, and that movement alone (yes pulling a BDB) hurts badly. Can't imagine you could build much there without genetics and I think he used all his genetic lotto cards already.
When Flex trained he seemed to have it. Remember he also did martial arts (Karate) and is used to going through "movements". When doing the lat pull down, he would do the squeeze at the bottom. When training arms, it was pretty much the same or like we all would train arms. I mean, anybody can train arms or develop big arms, if one has the genetics for it. It's the back that takes more effort to develop.
One thing I noticed is that those who have good contractions and do Lat pulldowns and pull ups have great detail. And those who do lat rows and deadlift, have good width and thickness in the lats. Those who do all those exercises have detail, width, and thickness. Flex didn't go heavy on the rows and deadlifts.
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Paul Dillett training back. No squeeze at the end of the movement, especially in the second vid with lat machines.
Saw him train in Venice a few times. Biggest weak man I've ever seen. Notice how hard he's breathing after very minimal/light work.
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Saw him train in Venice a few times. Biggest weak man I've ever seen. Notice how hard he's breathing after very minimal/light work.
Shawn Ray had said that looks at guys like Dillett, Nasser, Fux and their using 100 pound Dumbbells and he is using 150s.
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When Flex trained he seemed to have it. Remember he also did martial arts (Karate) and is used to going through "movements". When doing the lat pull down, he would do the squeeze at the bottom. When training arms, it was pretty much the same or like we all would train arms. I mean, anybody can train arms or develop big arms, if one has the genetics for it. It's the back that takes more effort to develop.
One thing I noticed is that those who have good contractions and do Lat pulldowns and pull ups have great detail. And those who do lat rows and deadlift, have good width and thickness in the lats. Those who do all those exercises have detail, width, and thickness. Flex didn't go heavy on the rows and deadlifts.
Back is the hardest muscle group to train. You can see your self in mirror but you have to feel your back working. Depend on want you need to develop you go under grip rows or on top lat pull downs. Dorian Yates explain it the best! He had MR. O Back that always wins contest!
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Back is the hardest muscle group to train. You can see your self in mirror but you have to feel your back working. Depend on want you need to develop you go under grip rows or on top lat pull downs. Dorian Yates explain it the best! He had MR. O Back that always wins contest!
Hard for some, easy for others. It's all about muscle innervation and genetics.
Reverse grip good for variation, but for me there really isn't any major difference in feel/development of my back muscles compared to a regular grip.
Yates' strong back genetics was obvious at the beginning. Same goes for his weak arms.
(http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?attachmentid=198426&d=1408344768)
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Yes I agree 100%! Always focus on muscle group that needs the most work! Arms, Back,Upper Chest, legs,shoulders,...
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Saw him train in Venice a few times. Biggest weak man I've ever seen. Notice how hard he's breathing after very minimal/light work.
I've heard people calling him "weak" but how accurate can this be? Someone of such immense size and muscularity is never going to be weak, not to mention Dillett had an athletic background. I'm sure he was strong as hell but never displayed his total strength in the gym as he felt he got the required stimulation from using lighter weights.
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What stands out to me, is hes training his back, but between sets hes checking out his triceps, abs and biceps lol ::)
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I've heard people calling him "weak" but how accurate can this be? Someone of such immense size and muscularity is never going to be weak, not to mention Dillett had an athletic background. I'm sure he was strong as hell but never displayed his total strength in the gym as he felt he got the required stimulation from using lighter weights.
Well, he could of had a thicker chest had he trained it "better". His chest disappears in the FDB pose.
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Well, he could of had a thicker chest had he trained it "better". His chest disappears in the FDB pose.
Personally, I felt his chest was overrated. His immense vascularity gave the illusion of having an above par chest
compared to other pros.
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paul dillett is a huge chocolate beast, he would give that big brute big ro a run for his money !
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Personally, I felt his chest was overrated. His immense vascularity gave the illusion of having an above par chest
compared to other pros.
Paul's chest wasn't amazing, especially later on. Post 98 or so, it was just a mess of veins
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Personally, I felt his chest was overrated. His immense vascularity gave the illusion of having an above par chest
compared to other pros.
yep, i agree about the vascularity thing. Now, is it amazing that he looked that good and was 275-280 with a subpar chest, and lack of back detail?
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What the f- (96 GP)
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yep, i agree about the vascularity thing. Now, is it amazing that he looked that good and was 275-280 with a subpar chest, and lack of back detail?
Oh, of course!! The parts he had working for him were monsterous.
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I've heard people calling him "weak" but how accurate can this be? Someone of such immense size and muscularity is never going to be weak, not to mention Dillett had an athletic background. I'm sure he was strong as hell but never displayed his total strength in the gym as he felt he got the required stimulation from using lighter weights.
Rico McClinton once said about Paul "Strong? You better believe he's strong. He can throw around more plates than the dishwasher at Denny's."
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He liked to train while biting a towel.
ahahahahah yeah he did
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Wasnt Dillet like a big strip club hound???? I remeber hearing years ago he used to sit in the strip club all day in the off season looking like all sorts of shit in a sweatsuit.
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What the f- (96 GP)
It's a guest-posing. He doesn't have to be at 2% bodyfat.
Aside from his chest, he had sick genetics. Too bad he reduced himself to the type of guy who could only stay relevant by making death threats in Testicular Maldevelpment.
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It's a guest-posing. He doesn't have to be at 2% bodyfat.
Aside from his chest, he had sick genetics. Too bad he reduced himself to the type of guy who could only stay relevant by making death threats in Testicular Maldevelpment.
It isn't guest posing, it's the English grand prix in '96.
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Wider and taller than .....
WoooSSHHHHHH
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Wider and taller than .....
WoooSSHHHHHH
One of the sickest shots ever...
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Lazy trainer.
Generation nothingness.
Paul was not part of generation nothingness. Do you even know what that refers too? It's the CURRENT generation (the last 10 years or so).