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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: herraisland on December 19, 2015, 08:25:28 AM
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If you missed this... check it out.. I believe they have good genetics and response... but not this much
What was a typical drug cycle for you in your competitive prime— let’s say pre-contest and off-season?
SR: There was never anything “typical” about my approach to competition. It was different every year, as I like change and variety. There was never a specific time or drug that interested me to the point where I had to watch the calendar as if it were a guide for contest training and preparation. I trained year-round for the Mr. Olympia, sometimes more intent than others. I had my rest periods and so on, but I never “charted” the time for which a cycle was going to take place as if it dictated my journey. I never counted calories, weighed my food, took measurements of my body parts or let the scale guide my progress. Nor did a cycle of drugs dictate when it was time for me to get ready for a show. I never had a “switch” that I had to click to get ready— I was always getting ready year-round.
The introduction of steroids would only come into play when I was in a process of trimming the fat while trying to retain the muscle. Different drugs were made for very different purposes, therefore there was never a “typical” drug cycle because I never needed or used the exact same drug for every aspect of my body-sculpting phase. A “car” analogy is useful here. A car is used to get from point A to point B. However, the individual buying the car has vastly different reasons for buying a “specific” car, i.e., size, looks, make, model, speed, interior space, etc. There are thousands of cars made to help give each individual who is interested in buying a car an option for the one that is suitable for him.
DY: Let me stress this is not a recommendation to anyone, only what I used. This would be the course I followed circa 1993 in the final 12 weeks before the Mr. O contest:
WEEKLY
test propionate – 300 milligrams
Parabolan (French trenbolone, came in 76 mg/ml ampoules) – 152 milligrams
Primobolan – 500 milligrams
DAILY
anavar – 50 milligrams
growth hormone – 8 IU
I typically also did three eight-week cycles in the off-season, and those would be made up of basics like Deca and D-bol. I would do four weeks at peak dosage, then taper down over the next four weeks before taking four weeks off and repeating. Here is the typical four-week peak off-season cycle:
WEEKLY
testosterone – 750 milligrams
Deca – 500 milligrams
DAILY
Dianabol – 50 milligrams
As I stated a couple of years back when I put those in my column, I’m sorry if these doses disappoint those of you who were expecting something more extreme.
KL: It was a simple progression. My very first cycle was just test cyp, one shot a week. I am guessing I was doing 400 milligrams per week. After I won my state show and decided I wanted to turn pro, which I did the following year, I bumped things up a bit. I took the test up to 600 milligrams a week, and added in 400 milligrams of Deca and two Anadrols a day, which is 100 milligrams per day or 700 milligrams per week. That was my off-season cycle where I put on 30 pounds between the 1990 and 1991 amateur shows. For my prep, I would add in two amps of Winstrol V, which came in 50-milligram amps, twice a week, so that’s 200 milligrams a week of Winny. At four weeks out from the show, I dropped the test, the Deca and the Anadrol. The test and Deca were long-acting, so they kept working for another couple of weeks I’m sure. At two weeks out from the show, I started taking 20 milligrams per day of Halotestin tabs. So I would go into the shows on Winstrol and Halo. The longest my cycles ever were was 12 weeks, and that was later on. They were usually eight weeks in the early years.
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::) ::) ::) compulsive liars
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multiply everything times 3 in kl's case. yates' is comical.
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I think the dosages were definitely higher but it wouldn't blow my mind if shawn ray wasn't lying. I feel like these guys get backed into a corner and forced to answer questions about there gear usage when they don't want to. I'm not saying I believe the cycle but if the top pro's in the world really do have a hyper responce to gear and dedicate every second of every day to bodybuiliding I could see a cycle like that possibly being realisitc. It sounds like he never went completely off for to long anyways.
There are weirder things that have happen in the world than some one doing well in the 90's olympia off a cycle like that. It would be trippy if he was telling the truth and we just had no idea how crazy these guys really did respond to steroids.
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Lol I don't believe it I'm just saying it would be really trippy if it were true and we just all had no idea how good of genetics these guys really had.
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shawn ray's answer, though he seems to be a bit bitchy, is more truthful than yates and levrone.
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Pfff, at times like this, I appreciate guys like Bostin.
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Yates cycle should yeld pretty nice results for the average gym rat training for 5 years...
And lol at Levrone : one shot of of cyp = 400mg ::) sure bro
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I'm not saying I believe the cycle but if the top pro's in the world really do have a hyper responce to gear and dedicate every second of every day to bodybuiliding I could see a cycle like that possibly being realisitc. It sounds like he never went completely off for to long anyways.
There are weirder things that have happen in the world than some one doing well in the 90's olympia off a cycle like that. It would be trippy if he was telling the truth and we just had no idea how crazy these guys really did respond to steroids.
u really think every pro bodybuilder is a hyperresponder?
none of them is. they just fucking use a ton.
all the pros just use so much shit that they have the same response a hyperresponder would have
and IF there actually WAS a hyperresponder in the IFBB, then that would be THE FIRST ONE TO ABUSE EVERYTHING... think about it lol. if someone gets insane results from 500mg test then OF COURSE theyre gonna up the shit as hard as they can
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with the pros it is better not to discuss dosages like shawn ray and arnold do instead of the bullshit guys like dorian, levrone and priest come out with.
the reason they were on the olympia stage is because they mega dosed.
galeneko (peace be upon him) had a good theory regarding hyper responding. It was something like the average gym rat can hyper respond to light dosages but this does not = good genetics as the light dosages cap a persons size and the person may not have hyper response to higher dosages. true hyper response = the body being able to handle and not stagnate on multiple gram dosages.
though what's interesting is when you look at the palomboism syndrome that hits most of the current crop of olympians (including phillipe), maybe this is caused by their bodies not being able to handle the high slin and hgh abuse long term like it is able to do with aas only.
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midget priest tops them in lying.
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yates said something like 1.5 grams of gear per week is max effective dose
"This might stir up yet more controversy, but I seriously doubt any bodybuilder needs to use more than 1,500 milligrams a week of steroids."
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/14230-dorian-yates-uncensored-the-shadow-opens-up-on-drugs-hd-training-childhood.html#.VnSPPG6aLTq
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yates said something like 1.5 grams of gear per week is max effective dose
"This might stir up yet more controversy, but I seriously doubt any bodybuilder needs to use more than 1,500 milligrams a week of steroids."
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/training/14230-dorian-yates-uncensored-the-shadow-opens-up-on-drugs-hd-training-childhood.html#.VnSPPG6aLTq
Palumbo told me something similar in the early 2000s via e-mail.
He told me that he took 1000mg Test & 300mg EQ & didn't know any bodybuilders who took more, as anything more just meant more sides but no more gains. ::)
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u really think every pro bodybuilder is a hyperresponder?
none of them is. they just fucking use a ton.
all the pros just use so much shit that they have the same response a hyperresponder would have
and IF there actually WAS a hyperresponder in the IFBB, then that would be THE FIRST ONE TO ABUSE EVERYTHING... think about it lol. if someone gets insane results from 500mg test then OF COURSE theyre gonna up the shit as hard as they can
Jizmo nailed it. Also, Dorian Yates was one of the first to push high doses of GH(30-40iu per day).
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Drug addicts lying about drug use????
No fucking way.... ???
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Palumbo told me something similar in the early 2000s via e-mail.
He told me that he took 1000mg Test & 300mg EQ & didn't know any bodybuilders who took more, as anything more just meant more sides but no more gains. ::)
Sure, take the word from a man who lied and sold fake gh!
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Sure, take the word from a man who lied and sold fake gh!
I'm sure he meant to say per day & not per week. ;D
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here's jumbo palumbo's "stack"
And David Palumbo has written that this was his pre-contest cycle:
Test: 1200mg per week
Deca: 600mg per week
Parabolin: 76mg amp 3x per week
Winstrol: 50mg every other day
Halosten: 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
Teslac: 20 pills per day (anti-aromatase)
Proviron 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
http://www.bodybuildingforums.com.au/anabolic-steroids/3283-cycles-of-pro-bodybuilders.html
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here's jumbo palumbo's "stack"
And David Palumbo has written that this was his pre-contest cycle:
Test: 1200mg per week
Deca: 600mg per week
Parabolin: 76mg amp 3x per week
Winstrol: 50mg every other day
Halosten: 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
Teslac: 20 pills per day (anti-aromatase)
Proviron 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
http://www.bodybuildingforums.com.au/anabolic-steroids/3283-cycles-of-pro-bodybuilders.html
Not a chance.
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here's jumbo palumbo's "stack"
And David Palumbo has written that this was his pre-contest cycle:
Test: 1200mg per week
Deca: 600mg per week
Parabolin: 76mg amp 3x per week
Winstrol: 50mg every other day
Halosten: 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
Teslac: 20 pills per day (anti-aromatase)
Proviron 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
http://www.bodybuildingforums.com.au/anabolic-steroids/3283-cycles-of-pro-bodybuilders.html
lol, I use more than that and I weigh 215
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lol, I use more than that and I weigh 215
;D ;D ;D
here's liar priest's supposed cycle:
Lee Priest has given this as his 16 week steroid cycle
16 to 9 weeks out. 250ml Test Cyp, 350ml Test Enth, 200ml Decca every 6 days, 2-4ius Gh a day, 50mlg Anapolan a day, 20mlg Nolvadex a day.
14 weeks out start Clen, taking 6 tabs a day, 2 days on, 2 days off and so on.
9 to 7 weeks 200ml Decca, 200ml Test Enth, every 6 days, 200ml Mastron every 4 days, 1 Anapolon a day, 1 Nolvadex a day, Keep Clen as normal. 1 proviron morning, 1 at night.
7-3 weeks out 150ml Test Prop Mon, Wed, Fri, 50ml Win-V Tues, Thurs, Sat, 200ml Tren Ace every 3 days, 1 Anapolon a day, 20mlg Nolvadex aday, 1 proviron morning, 1 at night. Clen as normal eg. 6 a day 2 on 2 off.
3-2 weeks out, 100ml Test Prop Mon, Wed, Fri, 50mlg Win-V Tues, Thurs, Sat, 200ml Tren Ace every 4 days, 1 Proviron Morning, 1 night, 1 Arimadex a day, 20mlg Nolvadex a day. 25mlg Anavar a day, 25-30mg Halo a day. Clen as normal
2 weeks out Stop GH.
10 days out Stop Tren and Prop. Keep every thing else the same
7 days out Stop Win-V and swap over to Oral win 30mlg a day, keep all other orals the same, right up to show day.
I may use a little T-3 3-4 WEEKS OUT 30-40MCG A DAY.
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;D ;D ;D
here's liar priest's supposed cycle:
Lee Priest has given this as his 16 week steroid cycle
16 to 9 weeks out. 250ml Test Cyp, 350ml Test Enth, 200ml Decca every 6 days, 2-4ius Gh a day, 50mlg Anapolan a day, 20mlg Nolvadex a day.
14 weeks out start Clen, taking 6 tabs a day, 2 days on, 2 days off and so on.
9 to 7 weeks 200ml Decca, 200ml Test Enth, every 6 days, 200ml Mastron every 4 days, 1 Anapolon a day, 1 Nolvadex a day, Keep Clen as normal. 1 proviron morning, 1 at night.
7-3 weeks out 150ml Test Prop Mon, Wed, Fri, 50ml Win-V Tues, Thurs, Sat, 200ml Tren Ace every 3 days, 1 Anapolon a day, 20mlg Nolvadex aday, 1 proviron morning, 1 at night. Clen as normal eg. 6 a day 2 on 2 off.
3-2 weeks out, 100ml Test Prop Mon, Wed, Fri, 50mlg Win-V Tues, Thurs, Sat, 200ml Tren Ace every 4 days, 1 Proviron Morning, 1 night, 1 Arimadex a day, 20mlg Nolvadex a day. 25mlg Anavar a day, 25-30mg Halo a day. Clen as normal
2 weeks out Stop GH.
10 days out Stop Tren and Prop. Keep every thing else the same
7 days out Stop Win-V and swap over to Oral win 30mlg a day, keep all other orals the same, right up to show day.
I may use a little T-3 3-4 WEEKS OUT 30-40MCG A DAY.
Very possible. He's 5'3".
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Very possible. He's 5'3".
Not a chance. That would be like saying the midgets in today's 210 under would use small doses as well.
They're way too huge and freaky to be on normal doses, I refuse to believe otherwise.
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Not a chance. That would be like saying the midgets in today's 210 under would use small doses as well.
They're way too huge and freaky to be on normal doses, I refuse to believe otherwise.
agreed
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here's jumbo palumbo's "stack"
And David Palumbo has written that this was his pre-contest cycle:
Test: 1200mg per week
Deca: 600mg per week
Parabolin: 76mg amp 3x per week
Winstrol: 50mg every other day
Halosten: 20mg per day
GH: 6IU per day
Teslac: 20 pills per day (anti-aromatase)
Proviron 20mg 4x per day
6IU Humulin-R 2x per day
http://www.bodybuildingforums.com.au/anabolic-steroids/3283-cycles-of-pro-bodybuilders.html
best part
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Not a chance. That would be like saying the midgets in today's 210 under would use small doses as well.
They're way too huge and freaky to be on normal doses, I refuse to believe otherwise.
I was trolling ;D
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Not a chance. That would be like saying the midgets in today's 210 under would use small doses as well.
They're way too huge and freaky to be on normal doses, I refuse to believe otherwise.
heres a run of mill mass cycle for me at 5'6, 210-215lbs, high singles bf to start.... midget status I know!!.. 1400mg sust, 900mg deca, 400mg tren e, weekly... 50mg dbol, 10iu gh (generic and fda), 30iu slin (on training days) 25mcg t3, 25mg aromasin, daily... this will put 20lbs on me everytime and my bf shoot up to a bloofy 12% or I at least look 12%.... I cant imagine the REAL amount these guys are taking...
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No, most everyone cannot fathom the amount of shit these guys are on. 5-7 grams, yes grams of test per week, and 30+ iu of GH per day is the base for top level amateurs. This is straight from several guys that compete at that level. These are amateurs, not even pros yet. Over 100 iu of slin per day is pretty much standard. The other drugs are cycled in and out depending on if pre contest or off season. There is one reason why they look the way they do..... DRUGS!!!! And the genetics to not get sick from them.... That's it.
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To the original post about Yates, Ray, and levrone:
Weren't these guys winning shows in their 20's?!
So
Obviously we are talking about the most genetically gifted In the world
These 3 also trained like Maniacs
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Gear in the 90's was better quality
I think all these factors can contribute to them using lower doses than today. Today their are more bodybuilders so guys with shitty genetics are setting higher numbers of gear use to compensate.
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I don't believe any of them.
I remember when Shawn retired he said it was becoming "chemical warfare"... And he didn't wanna risk his health
400 test and 200 deca is hardly chemical warfare
I veblieve those cycles ... Just daily not weekly
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Lol they all lie and barely admit to any use honestly a good bit of the population believes some of these men to b natural, if they say that they are. My opinion is they r all fucking liars, but they had better quality drugs maybe if their are not quality drugs any more then why do we have the biggest fuckers in history alive pro body builders r well over 300 lbs in off season now not even 6ft tall. I belive they takes as much as they can tolerate of everything to get to that level once u reach it may not need 10gs aas a week to stay there and mauntainted the mass, but come show time they gotta b just shooting tren/gh/slin and watching TV allday
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Lol they all lie and barely admit to any use honestly a good bit of the population believes some of these men to b natural, if they say that they are. My opinion is they r all fucking liars, but they had better quality drugs maybe if their are not quality drugs any more then why do we have the biggest fuckers in history alive pro body builders r well over 300 lbs in off season now not even 6ft tall. I belive they takes as much as they can tolerate of everything to get to that level once u reach it may not need 10gs aas a week to stay there and mauntainted the mass, but come show time they gotta b just shooting tren/gh/slin and watching TV allday
Agree
They say these lies for many reasons
They look like genetic freaks if they get people to believe they used small doses
Second, they don't want gym rats shoot 5-10 grams a week, so they are protecting the kids out there
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Agree
They say these lies for many reasons
They look like genetic freaks if they get people to believe they used small doses
Second, they don't want gym rats shoot 5-10 grams a week, so they are protecting the kids out there
The second part for sure. Its duty of care if anything. If you are getting big off of average doses and make it through the ranks the coaches will tell you what cycles are needed. Im sure if you spoke to a pro when you are a ripped 240lb dude and got along well with him i reckon they would come clean.
Midget preist just has a cock sucker attitude to go with his lies
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Thing is if they claim massive doses like Bostin Loyd everyone is going to point at them and tell them how retarded and irresponsible they are.
If they claim a little dose people will call them liars.
So at the end of the day theres no point to speak about the subject publicly unless for marketing purpose like Rich Piana or Bostin.
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heres a run of mill mass cycle for me at 5'6, 210-215lbs, high singles bf to start.... midget status I know!!.. 1400mg sust, 900mg deca, 400mg tren e, weekly... 50mg dbol, 10iu gh (generic and fda), 30iu slin (on training days) 25mcg t3, 25mg aromasin, daily... this will put 20lbs on me everytime and my bf shoot up to a bloofy 12% or I at least look 12%.... I cant imagine the REAL amount these guys are taking...
Run of the mill my ass. That's a huge cycle. I'll bet a nut the most successful bodybuilders in the world take much, much less than most of you guys think. Everyone lies to some extent, I'm sure. However, the 90's drugs were flat out better. Way less likely to be underdosed than they are nowadays. I do not have great genetics at all. Nor am I a super responder, but give me 500mg's of legit sustanon for 10-12 weeks and I'll gain 20lbs and drop body fat. Every time.
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Run of the mill my ass. That's a huge cycle. I'll bet a nut the most successful bodybuilders in the world take much, much less than most of you guys think. Everyone lies to some extent, I'm sure. However, the 90's drugs were flat out better. Way less likely to be underdosed than they are nowadays. I do not have great genetics at all. Nor am I a super responder, but give me 500mg's of legit sustanon for 10-12 weeks and I'll gain 20lbs and drop body fat. Every time.
So you gain that weight after having lost it all post cycle... In the 90's people talked about how the current drugs sucked and how they were better before.
IN 15 years, we're gonna hear how great they were now and how they will suck at that current time.
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So you gain that weight after having lost it all post cycle... In the 90's people talked about how the current drugs sucked and how they were better before.
IN 15 years, we're gonna hear how great they were now and how they will suck at that current time.
no ritch, I actually never truly come off... ill cruise every now and then... but its usually bulk, cut, bulk, cut, repeat for me. .. different lengths tho... I go by the mirror mostly... that's the weight ill put on after a cutter and small cruise.... ill gain that weight off of 3500-3800 cals on a bulk.
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Run of the mill my ass. That's a huge cycle. I'll bet a nut the most successful bodybuilders in the world take much, much less than most of you guys think. Everyone lies to some extent, I'm sure. However, the 90's drugs were flat out better. Way less likely to be underdosed than they are nowadays. I do not have great genetics at all. Nor am I a super responder, but give me 500mg's of legit sustanon for 10-12 weeks and I'll gain 20lbs and drop body fat. Every time.
that's only a 3g cycle brother! these fellas are doing that much a week in test ALONE. congrats on being able to grow on that low of a dose. must be nice. 500mgs is my cruise every ten days.
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here's Ryan Kennelly's dose
Ignoring the fact that Ryan was wrong about some of his steroid knowledge, he confesses to taking the following amounts of steroids:
2,500 mgs testosterone enanthate per week
800 mgs of deca durabolin per week
75 mgs of dianabol per day (525 mgs/wk)
100 mgs of testosterone propionate per day (700 mgs/wk)
4,525 mgs of anabolic steroids per week
http://bretcontreras.com/youre-all-a-bunch-of-pathetic-weaklings-says-the-steroid-using-powerlifter/
that's three grams of test per week
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no ritch, I actually never truly come off... ill cruise every now and then... but its usually bulk, cut, bulk, cut, repeat for me. .. different lengths tho... I go by the mirror mostly... that's the weight ill put on after a cutter and small cruise.... ill gain that weight off of 3500-3800 cals on a bulk.
so if you gain 20lbs every cycle and kept that weight, it means you gain 20lbs over each 20lbs kept?
Uhh.... You sure about that???
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as far as the dorian levrone and ray cycle, theres no fuckin way they can dial down there bodyfat champion worthy on those compounds, just do to that is why i do not believe that cycle
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so if you gain 20lbs every cycle and kept that weight, it means you gain 20lbs over each 20lbs kept?
Uhh.... You sure about that???
lol, no, I mean that's just how my weight fluctuates from lean to bulked and where that cycle and diet takes me. Im lucky if I gain a few pounds of lean muscle each year at this point. its a constant 3 steps forward, on step back system of bulk and cut for me. just gotta keep the lean weight climbing upwards in the end. that's how I look at my bodybuilding.
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here's Ryan Kennelly's dose
Ignoring the fact that Ryan was wrong about some of his steroid knowledge, he confesses to taking the following amounts of steroids:
2,500 mgs testosterone enanthate per week
800 mgs of deca durabolin per week
75 mgs of dianabol per day (525 mgs/wk)
100 mgs of testosterone propionate per day (700 mgs/wk)
4,525 mgs of anabolic steroids per week
http://bretcontreras.com/youre-all-a-bunch-of-pathetic-weaklings-says-the-steroid-using-powerlifter/
that's three grams of test per week
Kennely was brewing is own test, on a video he did in jail, he told he was pinning ml of tne and test prop everyday, like 10 ml of test prop e.d during contest. Watch his video, at the last contest he looks like he's dying.
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Kennely was brewing is own test, on a video he did in jail, he told he was pinning ml of tne and test prop everyday, like 10 ml of test prop e.d during contest. Watch his video, at the last contest he looks like he's dying.
when this happens and you keep plugging along something ain't right with you
and as far as the second pic goes i wonder how much weight he'd have to lose to look like a stage ready bodybuilder ie, dry five percent
a good thirty to forty pounds would be my guess
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when this happens and you keep plugging along something ain't right with you
and as far as the second pic goes i wonder how much weight he'd have to lose to look like a stage ready bodybuilder ie, dry five percent
a good thirty to forty pounds would be my guess
lmao NO WAY... hed look exactly the same 30lbs lighter...
more like 30 to 40 kilograms...
lets keep it realistic lol... hes at least 20% bodyfat here
at how much, 300lbs?
assuming he would lose only pure bodyfat then that would be a 15% total loss of weight, which would be 45lbs already... 45lbs of pure fat.
add in muscle, water and glycogen loss and the guy wouldnt even hit the stage at 230 soaking wet...
but ofc he "needs the poundage" as a powerlifter :D :D
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lmao NO WAY... hed look exactly the same 30lbs lighter...
more like 30 to 40 kilograms...
lets keep it realistic lol... hes at least 20% bodyfat here
at how much, 300lbs?
assuming he would lose only pure bodyfat then that would be a 15% total loss of weight, which would be 45lbs already... 45lbs of pure fat.
add in muscle, water and glycogen loss and the guy wouldnt even hit the stage at 230 soaking wet...
but ofc he "needs the poundage" as a powerlifter :D :D
yeah man i kinda thought that, but i was just trying to be nice ;D
most dudes are really fucking clueless on how much weight they would have to lose to be stage ready RIPPED even if they kept most of thier dry muscle tissue while getting ripped as most peeps hold much more water and fat than they think they do
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On the video kennedy was fucking huge. Not fat at all, just the belly bloated like hell because of all the food and oral.
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On the video kennedy was fucking huge. Not fat at all, just the belly bloated like hell because of all the food and oral.
that might be true but he's holding tons of water and to get stage ready dry he'd have to lose A LOT of weight
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Dude if levrone could come in shape on winstrol and halo and on a tail end of deca and test and have the look he did, he coulda been the best body builder to ever live if he did a real cycle growth slin etc etc, such bull shit!!!!!!!!!!!
I think they are saying shit like this cause kids today are trying to copy huge monster cycles
i still throw props to loyd and piana just simply cause they didnt sugar coat shit
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Dude if levrone could come in shape on winstrol and halo and on a tail end of deca and test and have the look he did, he coulda been the best body builder to ever live if he did a real cycle growth slin etc etc, such bull shit!!!!!!!!!!!
I think they are saying shit like this cause kids today are trying to copy huge monster cycles
i still throw props to loyd and piana just simply cause they didnt sugar coat shit
Rich piana is a total dog shit loser...
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Rich piana is a total dog shit loser...
Yes, but that doesn't change his truthfulness.
Bostin is an idiot, but he doesn't try to hide his use or down-play the importance of drugs.
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No pro takes lower than 2000mg test per week NO PRO! There is no dimnishing returns this is a public lie! Most pros takes beetween 2grams to 10 grams test per week along with grams of deca , tren,boldenon masteron slin and hgh and orals.They only change drugs in off season to competition cutting period.But keep in mind massive hgh and slin makes todays bodybuilders.
Without hgh and slin you are nothing close to a pro.To sum up these low doses are laughable.They use grams of each steroid per week.Bodybuilding is a complete sport.Everything (drugs,food,training)must be perfect.
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No pro takes lower than 2000mg test per week NO PRO! There is no dimnishing returns this is a public lie! Most pros takes beetween 2grams to 10 grams test per week along with grams of deca , tren,boldenon masteron slin and hgh and orals.They only change drugs in off season to competition cutting period.But keep in mind massive hgh and slin makes todays bodybuilders.
Without hgh and slin you are nothing close to a pro.To sum up these low doses are laughable.They use grams of each steroid per week.Bodybuilding is a complete sport.Everything (drugs,food,training)must be perfect.
How the hell can they afford that year round???
I doubt "sponsors" give them 20k worth of gear per month
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How the hell can they afford that year round???
I doubt "sponsors" give them 20k worth of gear per month
g4p, hgh/steroid dealers?
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How the hell can they afford that year round???
I doubt "sponsors" give them 20k worth of gear per month
they have hookups
its probably the pro coaches who "know someone" for GH (aids patients or docs prescribing under the table).
then if you have someone to import shit in powder form from china 10 grams a week cost NOTHING
everything besides GH is cheap as chips basically... GH makes up 90% of the cost of bodybuilding, thats including food, all other drugs, health medication/supps (if you wanna call that supps)