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Anyone else doing what she did would be.
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That's not true.
Reagan didn't go to jail over Iran Contra.
Bush didn't go to jail over false information to go to war.
Bill Clinton didn't go to jail over white water.
Nixon didn't go to jail over watergate.
Patreus didn't go for leaking secrets.
High ups in the federal government don't go to jail over anything.
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That's not true.
Reagan didn't go to jail over Iran Contra.
Bush didn't go to jail over false information to go to war.
Bill Clinton didn't go to jail over white water.
Nixon didn't go to jail over watergate.
Patreus didn't go for leaking secrets.
High ups in the federal government don't go to jail over anything.
truths
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That's not true.
Reagan didn't go to jail over Iran Contra.
Bush didn't go to jail over false information to go to war.
Bill Clinton didn't go to jail over white water.
Nixon didn't go to jail over watergate.
Patreus didn't go for leaking secrets.
High ups in the federal government don't go to jail over anything.
lol
what a load of moral relativism bs
any citizen who had federal secrets on a private email server then hid them would be in jail
why isn't hitlery?
and why doesn't obama have to coff up the compromised emails?
where is the so called truth press about this?
where is jon stewart? LOL
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what a load of moral relativism bs
Moral relativism is the view that ethical standards, morality, and positions of right or wrong are culturally based and therefore subject to a person's individual choice. We can all decide what is right for ourselves.
moral relativism = culturally based.
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Cough.
Not coff.
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lol
what a load of moral relativism bs
any citizen who had federal secrets on a private email server then hid them would be in jail
why isn't hitlery?
and why doesn't obama have to coff up the compromised emails?
where is the so called truth press about this?
where is jon stewart? LOL
Just telling you the truth.
Patreus told secrets on purpose. No jail right?
High up people in government do not put other high up people in jail.
They would be afraid someone could find their secrets and then put them in too.
It's quid pro quo.
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Hillary certainly scares tea partiers it seems.
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How many times has Hillary been investigated for this by the repubs?
I would think if there was something tangible to pin on her they would have found it by now.
To believe otherwise would mean the GOP is in on the CT. Wake up sheeple. :D
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Either she didn't break the law
Or
They are bat shit incompetent
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Either she didn't break the law
Or
They are bat shit incompetent
Either there is evidence she did or there isn't.
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Either there is evidence she did or there isn't.
We all believe she hid her emails on purpose.
We all believe she followed obama orders to let Benghazi happen.
This is about damaging her politically, not justice. Repub gowdy admitted it.
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We all believe she hid her emails on purpose.
We all believe she followed obama orders to let Benghazi happen.
This is about damaging her politically, not justice. Repub gowdy admitted it.
Yeah i guess if you just keep accusing her people will just believe it without actually using common sense or really looking into it as displayed on this board lol
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Average iq is 100. For every 110er, there's a 90 with an opinion too.
Trump isn't appealing to politically wise voters. He's appealing to the masses that love celebrity. All those not-really-liberals that voted Obama due to the celebrity factor will be voting trump now.
Repubs are blowing an awesome opportunity. Even if they win, a lifetime lib gets into the white house!!
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Either there is evidence she did or there isn't.
There is evidence. It's not even circumstantial. It's hard fucking evidence. It will never be over.
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There is evidence. It's not even circumstantial. It's hard fucking evidence. It will never be over.
I think she's guilty as shit on both letting benghazi happen (under obama order) and servergate.
IF there was hard fcking evidence, she'd be in a hard fcking jail cell.
once we go down fairy tale lane of "FBI magically lets her skate because she's a dem", well... move to teh CT board at that point.
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There is evidence. It's not even circumstantial. It's hard fucking evidence. It will never be over.
If there was then it would stick. So its not HARD EVIDENCE.
the REPUBS have tried and tried. You can't argue the result.
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Just telling you the truth.
Patreus told secrets on purpose. No jail right?
High up people in government do not put other high up people in jail.
They would be afraid someone could find their secrets and then put them in too.
It's quid pro quo.
Petraeus was convicted of a crime. The only reason he didn't go to jail is he agreed to a plea bargain.
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Petraeus was convicted of a crime. The only reason he didn't go to jail is he agreed to a plea bargain.
Like I said. They never go to jail.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
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Like I said. They never go to jail.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
Adding context. He was held accountable. He has a criminal conviction. That's an important point to anyone looking at the bigger picture.
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Adding context. He was held accountable. He has a criminal conviction. That's an important point to anyone looking at the bigger picture.
1 conviction of all the DC higher ups I mentioned.
Great context.
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1 conviction of all the DC higher ups I mentioned.
Great context.
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Not all of the "DC higher ups" you mentioned broke the law. But that only matters if the facts and context matter.
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Not all of the "DC higher ups" you mentioned broke the law. But that only matters if the facts and context matter.
Every single thing I mentioned is believed by someone to be a crime and was discussed in the exact same way everyone is describing this about Hillary.
Sure thing though. You keep on acting like they aren't all criminals and what I'm saying isn't true, you're trying pretty hard.
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Every single thing I mentioned is believed by someone to be a crime and was discussed in the exact same way everyone is describing this about Hillary.
Sure thing though. You keep on acting like they aren't all criminals and what I'm saying isn't true, you're trying pretty hard.
It really doesn't matter if someone "believes" a certain act is a crime. The facts matter. For example, what specific crime did Bush commit regarding "false information to go to war"?
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It really doesn't matter if someone "believes" a certain act is a crime. The facts matter. For example, what specific crime did Bush commit regarding "false information to go to war"?
He invaded a sovereign nation.
That's a war crime.
Just because he "believed" something doesn't excuse his crime. Even Kofi-Annan said it was an illegal war.
The war was illegal. Period.
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He invaded a sovereign nation.
That's a war crime.
Just because he "believed" something doesn't excuse his crime. Even Kofi-Annan said it was an illegal war.
The war was illegal. Period.
He had authority from the UN Security Council, so no it wasn't a "war crime," or more accurately, it was not a violation of the Geneva Conventions or any other laws regarding use of force in a foreign country.
He also had authority from Congress.
You are welcome to your opinion, but the facts are the facts.
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He had authority from the UN Security Council, so no it wasn't a "war crime," or more accurately, it was not a violation of the Geneva Conventions or any other laws regarding use of force in a foreign country.
He also had authority from Congress.
You are welcome to your opinion, but the facts are the facts.
Funny you mention the UN
Kofi-Annan said it was a crime.
Interesting.
The facts are that numerous people. Consider his invasion of Iraq a crime.
So the opinion that it's a crime or isn't isn't universal.
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Funny you mention the UN
Kofi-Annan said it was a crime.
Interesting.
The facts are that numerous people. Consider his invasion of Iraq a crime.
So the opinion that it's a crime or isn't isn't universal.
There are lots of people who believe it was a "crime." The fact is there were several UN resolutions that authorized the use of force and we had a conditional cease fire that was violated. In fact, we never actually stopped fighting after the cease fire. For example, we dropped hundreds of bombs from 1999 to 2002. All of that was done under the same UN Security Council Resolutions that authorized the use of force.
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There are lots of people who believe it was a "crime." The fact is there were several UN resolutions that authorized the use of force and we had a conditional cease fire that was violated. In fact, we never actually stopped fighting after the cease fire. For example, we dropped hundreds of bombs from 1999 to 2002. All of that was done under the same UN Security Council Resolutions that authorized the use of force.
You can say that. However that is not a consensus and you are of course well aware of that. There are numerous legal groups that have stated the illegal action of the war in 2002.
None of it really matters in the context of the thread, so as a mod, I would expect better of you in keeping the thread on track.
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You can say that. However that is not a consensus and you are of course well aware of that. There are numerous legal groups that have stated the illegal action of the war in 2002.
None of it really matters in the context of the thread, so as a mod, I would expect better of you in keeping the thread on track.
Nobody said there was a consensus about opinions. I'm talking about the fact that the UN Security Council passed resolutions authorizing the use of force in Iraq. And that Congress authorized the use of force in Iraq.
Me being a "mod" doesn't have squat to do with this subject. Regarding the subject, we've already established that Patreus was convicted of a crime. There are also numerous instances of high level political figures at the federal and state level who have been convicted and served jail time.
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Nobody said there was a consensus about opinions. I'm talking about the fact that the UN Security Council passed resolutions authorizing the use of force in Iraq. And that Congress authorized the use of force in Iraq.
Me being a "mod" doesn't have squat to do with this subject. Regarding the subject, we've already established that Patreus was convicted of a crime. There are also numerous instances of high level political figures at the federal and state level who have been convicted and served jail time.
Who was the last high level politician at the federal level who served jail time for a federal crime?
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Who was the last high level politician at the federal level who served jail time for a federal crime?
What difference does it make if it's a federal crime?
In any event, I think the most recent one was former Congressman Michael Grimm of New York who was sentenced to three months in prison for felony tax evasion.
I believe former Democrat Jesse Jackson Jr. got out of prison this year? Convicted of wire and mail fraud involving campaign funds.
There a lot of others.
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What difference does it make if it's a federal crime?
In any event, I think the most recent one was former Congressman Michael Grimm of New York who was sentenced to three months in prison for felony tax evasion.
I believe former Democrat Jesse Jackson Jr. got out of prison this year? Convicted of wire and mail fraud involving campaign funds.
There a lot of others.
You are making the case for me, you don't even realize it.
And neither of those were "high" up.
2 of 535 in congress at any one time. Which doesn't include how many people have fully served in the last 20 or even 30 years. 2 of 535 is .003%
Zero ever of the legislative branch.
Zero judicial branch.
How many directors of any high level agencies?
Hahahaha.
You're really showing me. Oh yes.
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You are making the case for me, you don't even realize it.
And neither of those were "high" up.
2 of 535 in congress at any one time. Which doesn't include how many people have fully served in the last 20 or even 30 years. 2 of 535 is .003%
Zero ever of the legislative branch.
Zero judicial branch.
How many directors of any high level agencies?
Hahahaha.
You're really showing me. Oh yes.
A Congressman isn't a "high" level politician? lol Ok. Whatever.
I could give you other examples of Senators, Governors, staff/agency members of the Executive branch who have served time in prison, but you'd probably change your definition to mean only the president. lol
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A Congressman isn't a "high" level politician? lol Ok. Whatever.
I could give you other examples of Senators, Governors, staff/agency members of the Executive branch who have served time in prison, but you'd probably change your definition to mean only the president. lol
No. I just don't consider your percentage high enough to count.
.003% of all the criminal acts committed by congress.
Never someone that's appointed by the president.
Congressman. That's high up? You don't even know 10% of the congressman off the top of your head and you know it.
High up is someone you would know pretty much immediately.
Whatever dude.
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No. I just don't consider your percentage high enough to count.
.003% of all the criminal acts committed by congress.
Never someone that's appointed by the president.
Congressman. That's high up? You don't even know 10% of the congressman off the top of your head and you know it.
High up is someone you would know pretty much immediately.
Whatever dude.
Be careful with those overstatements. If you want to say "rarely," then I'm with you. But "never"? Here is one: Catalina Villalpando, appointed by Bush Sr. as Treasury Secretary, convicted of tax evasion and obstruction of justice, and served time in prison.
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Be careful with those overstatements. If you want to say "rarely," then I'm with you. But "never"? Here is one: Catalina Villalpando, appointed by Bush Sr. as Treasury Secretary, convicted of tax evasion and obstruction of justice, and served time in prison.
Ok.
1 person in almost 40 years. That's huge.
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Ok.
1 person in almost 40 years. That's huge.
I didn't really expect you to acknowledge that you overstated things by saying no one has ever gone to jail, but there is more than one person.
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I didn't really expect you to acknowledge that you overstated things by saying no one has ever gone to jail, but there is more than one person.
It's a generalization, not an overstatement. Big deal.
It doesn't change the fact that "almost" no one of the upper echelon goes to jail.
Yay... you win.
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It's a generalization, not an overstatement. Big deal.
It doesn't change the fact that "almost" no one of the upper echelon goes to jail.
Yay... you win.
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Wasn't trying to win. This isn't a contest. So when you said "never" you meant "almost never." No biggie.