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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: dj181 on December 23, 2015, 10:37:17 AM
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gained twelve pounds over two weeks time after i upped the test dose from 300 mg per week to 600 mg per week and here's the photo pics showing the difference, and this was with test prop
i just got sust and i'll run it at 750 mg per week, so we'll see how it goes
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Queer bait pic of peace...
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gained twelve pounds over two weeks time after i upped the test dose from 300 mg per week to 600 mg per week
umm, well you gained twelve pounds of bloat around your midsection :-\
shoulda upped your AI too.
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The muscle will come with in the next 4 to 6 weeks it looks like you have gained mostly water retention. Your physique will fill out nicely though your at a pretty low body fat percentage. Stay on top of your estrogen levels 12 pounds over 2 weeks seems like a lot.
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2 week test results. sorry but Wtf?
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Which is before. Which is after. ....
Kidding...
But I don't see a big diff.
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12lbs of pure muscle tissue gained in two weeks, amazing results.
(https://bellylove.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/100_0084.jpg?w=510&h=382)
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not looking for praise or a pat on the back just showing the two week results and getting some feedback so thanks for the honest feedback dudes
i plan to just run sust, but maybe i'll play with alternating t3 and clen to keep the fat and bloat gains down
looking to add another twenty pounds in four weeks time, but i don't want to turn into the pillsbury dough boy or the michelin man LOL
umm, well you gained twelve pounds of bloat around your midsection
shoulda upped your AI too.
i don't use ai's so maybe i should, i have proviron on hand would that be ok
on the before pic i was on low dose test prop, mast, clen
and yep, it did bloat my midsection but my arms pecs and delts are also a bit thicker fuller
Queer bait pic of peace...
Which is before. Which is after. ....
Kidding...
But I don't see a big diff.
;D ;D ;D
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Another 20 lbs in 4 weeks?
Uh....
No need for clen or t3, you're lean enough. You will need much more gear though for that 20lbs. may as well up the dose now and add another product.
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12lbs of bloat..anyway 2 weeks are not going to do much difference
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looking to add another twenty pounds in four weeks time,
on the before pic i was on low dose test prop, mast, clen
and yep, it did bloat my midsection but my arms pecs and delts are also a bit thicker fuller
;D ;D ;D
No offense, but where do you guys get the information that makes you come.up with these ideas?
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You only lost definition to me. ???
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not looking for praise or a pat on the back just showing the two week results and getting some feedback so thanks for the honest feedback dudes
i plan to just run sust, but maybe i'll play with alternating t3 and clen to keep the fat and bloat gains down
looking to add another twenty pounds in four weeks time, but i don't want to turn into the pillsbury dough boy or the michelin man LOL
i don't use ai's so maybe i should, i have proviron on hand would that be ok
on the before pic i was on low dose test prop, mast, clen
and yep, it did bloat my midsection but my arms pecs and delts are also a bit thicker fuller
;D ;D ;D
honestly man
you look EXACTLY the same only fatter.
arms pecs delts whatever look exactly the same
only thing that changed is your midsection and that for the worse
start using an AI and eat less...
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IF your still chasing lean gains and not trying to pile on bodyweight'cause your scared to lose a look'stay low dose and train hard and stay ripped ,you will keep what you have due to the 'drugs'you break even at least,,too increase dosages and eat and then complain about smoothing out and offset it with clen/t3 why bother.if your not competing or can handle the 'bloat'look for a while take advantage of the shit your on,worry about lean gains kept later on,or just keep what you have and carve it up,,,your going to get a 1000 ideas and or theories here what to do and then 2nd guess yourself anyway...
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honestly man
you look EXACTLY the same only fatter.
arms pecs delts whatever look exactly the same
only thing that changed is your midsection and that for the worse
start using an AI and eat less...
that's weird that i look fatter coz i actually decreased my cals slightly these past two weeks, HONEST TO GOD
i see that there is water bloat gain but fat gain ??? ??? ???
maybe dropping out the clen caused me to add fat even on slightly less cals :-\
and looking through my bag of goddies i see that i do have some aromasin, so i'll add that in
You only lost definition to me. ???
12lbs of bloat..anyway 2 weeks are not going to do much difference
FUCK FUCK FUCK >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
but thanks for the honest feedback, i'll post up pics again here in three or four weeks and hopefully it will be a positive change, we will see...
No offense, but where do you guys get the information that makes you come.up with these ideas?
i gain quick off of high test and since i will only take that and no androgens, which dry me out, i will add weight quickly but i want to try and make it more lean dry tissue gains and less water bloat gains
tren, winny, mast, var DO NOT add weight to me, they only make me drier and harder
test, deca, dbol and drol are the compounds which add scale weight to me
IF your still chasing lean gains and not trying to pile on bodyweight'cause your scared to lose a look'stay low dose and train hard and stay ripped ,you will keep what you have due to the 'drugs'you break even at least,,too increase dosages and eat and then complain about smoothing out and offset it with clen/t3 why bother.if your not competing or can handle the 'bloat'look for a while take advantage of the shit your on,worry about lean gains kept later on,or just keep what you have and carve it up,,,your going to get a 1000 ideas and or theories here what to do and then 2nd guess yourself anyway...
like i said above, i actually decreased cals slightly these past two weeks, but i also dropped out the clen
the goal now it too "bulk" without adding too much water, so we'll see if this aromasin does the trick
still not sure if i'll use one gram or 750 mg of sust, but i'll start with one gram first and see how that goes, i was on 600 mg of test prop these past two weeks
anyways, Merry Xmas fellas peace and be with you 8)
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So what's your plan to gain them other 20lbs now?
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So what's your plan to gain them other 20lbs now?
run one gram or 750 mg of sust weekly and add in aromasin to keep water weight bloat gain down
the only other aas i have on hand is mast, but i won't use it until i want to dry harden up
in fact i just made a purchase yesterday of sust, mast and t3, i won't make another purchase for two or three months so that's all i have to work with
i thought about adding deca or npp with the sust but i wanna see what sust only can do for me 8)
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bitch is claiming that he'll add thirty pounds of lean dry tissue in three moths and that we all can do the same if we just follow his protocol :D
thirty pounds in three moths ain't a huge deal, but......... thirty pounds of lean dry tissue sure as hell is
i'm just hoping and praying that most of my twenty pound gain will be lean dry tissue
so time will tell for both me and bitch ;D ;D ;D
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Dj181. I applaud you for being in shape and not crying like a bitch when trolled....
But....
How vascular are your forearms????
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Dj181. I applaud you for being in shape and not crying like a bitch when trolled....
But....
How vascular are your forearms????
;D ;D ;D
they are becoming less and less as each day goes by, most likely due to the test bloat water weight gain, but i can always tat em up like bitch piano and then no one would know the diff
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I just think u need more food and some time spent picking up heavy barbells fuck all the drugs and shit, just eat and take your test GET BIG then u cut and worry about looking good
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bitch piano is gonna add 30lbs of glycogen and water and is gonna claim its all muscle
hes also been "off" (probably on test+GH+gallons of oil) too, so he has probably lost 30-40lbs over the last weeks anyway
ill do it similar though, ive cut down 25lbs over the last 8 weeks and come january 1st ill blast my ass off...
bet your nuts that im gonna be at least 15lbs heavier and leaner too come february 1st (tren, slin, MK677 and 20lbs is nothing)
i might make a log here with pics. i look like a soccer player right now on 180mcg t3
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bitch piano is gonna add 30lbs of glycogen and water and is gonna claim its all muscle
hes also been "off" (probably on test+GH+gallons of oil) too, so he has probably lost 30-40lbs over the last weeks anyway
ill do it similar though, ive cut down 25lbs over the last 8 weeks and come january 1st ill blast my ass off...
bet your nuts that im gonna be at least 15lbs heavier and leaner too come february 1st (tren, slin, MK677 and 20lbs is nothing)
i might make a log here with pics. i look like a soccer player right now on 180mcg t3
Do it man ,pls will be very good for ppl to learn
Go go jizmo ! Getbigs best gear advice !
I m blowing the fuck up on 1g test-500 tren-500 npp- 50 t3 and 500 carbs , i will post pics soon
Title : " built by jizmo " :-)
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You guys really all use ais? I've tied them a few times but never ever liked how they made me feel or look. I feel like they make you look more fragile. In the winter I run 450-750 test around 600 deca and masteron around 200-300 mg no puffy nipples just big and full some water but it fills me out. I feel like I fill my winter clothes out better. I wear a lot of fancy thermal shirts in the winter thst can show off thickness.
No need for an ai if i spill over I adjust doses and food intake.
In the summer i use short ester test and Npp masteron here and there if funds allow. I stay dry full and can see abs total dose less than 2 grams no need for ai. Using a cancer drug for water retention and estrogen control just seems unhealthy. I would rather hold a few extra pounds of water then worry about dosing those chemicals.
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genetics man
some people just look stringy on AIs, some not at all...
i think ecto/hard gainer guys often dont need AIs at all... my buddy runs test and deca with no AI and looks dry as fuck...
i personally wouldnt even touch test upwards of 200mg without an AI with a 10 feet pole... but mostly for emotional reasons. i feel like a bitch when i got high estrogen
for me AIs keep bloat down, however 90% is diet related anyway... too many carbs and ill blow up like the michelin man, too little carbs and im flat as fuck doesnt matter how much AI is involved ...
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bitch piano is gonna add 30lbs of glycogen and water and is gonna claim its all muscle
yep, yep
the end result will be how much i've gained once i hit my previous ripped condition which will most likely be in april or may
it doesn't really fucking matter what you weigh when you are fat or bloated what matters is what you weigh in a ripped and dry condition ;)
i'm predicting that i've add 15 pounds of lean dry tissue come may 8)
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genetics man
some people just look stringy on AIs, some not at all...
i think ecto/hard gainer guys often dont need AIs at all... my buddy runs test and deca with no AI and looks dry as fuck...
i personally wouldnt even touch test upwards of 200mg without an AI with a 10 feet pole... but mostly for emotional reasons. i feel like a bitch when i got high estrogen
for me AIs keep bloat down, however 90% is diet related anyway... too many carbs and ill blow up like the michelin man, too little carbs and im flat as fuck doesnt matter how much AI is involved ...
Ya I'm definitely an ecto. Even the extra water in my face makes me look better. I was 6'0 170-180 lean be forming gearing up. I had a lean ripped physique before starting. I would rather spill over a bit then look to thin.
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yep, yep
the end result will be how much i've gained once i hit my previous ripped condition which will most likely be in april or may
it doesn't really fucking matter what you weigh when you are fat or bloated what matters is what you weigh in a ripped and dry condition ;)
i'm predicting that i've add 15 pounds of lean dry tissue come may 8)
very true.
15lbs of lean dry tissue is a ton for a few months... extraordinary but not impossible... keep us updated
i know i can add 30-40lbs in a few weeks (and little fat gain) but id be lucky if 10% of that are lean dry tissue... rich piana probably is the same lol but he wont admit it.
for me its easy to look huge, but once i start to shred i deflate like crazy.
people at the gym think im off gear as soon as im 2-3 weeks into dieting lol
Ya I'm definitely an ecto. Even the extra water in my face makes me look better. I was 6'0 170-180 lean be forming gearing up. I had a lean ripped physique before starting. I would rather spill over a bit then look to thin.
same as my best buddy
guy has a sunken in face at 15% bodyfat
im the complete opposite, id look like a sumo if i would ever hit 15% bodyfat again
and i always get the hamster cheeks with a still shredded body a few weeks into bulking lol ::)
it always takes 2-3 weeks of cutting for my face to actually start to look lean again, even if my bodyfat doesnt really budge at all
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genetics man
some people just look stringy on AIs, some not at all...
i think ecto/hard gainer guys often dont need AIs at all... my buddy runs test and deca with no AI and looks dry as fuck...
i personally wouldnt even touch test upwards of 200mg without an AI with a 10 feet pole... but mostly for emotional reasons. i feel like a bitch when i got high estrogen
for me AIs keep bloat down, however 90% is diet related anyway... too many carbs and ill blow up like the michelin man, too little carbs and im flat as fuck doesnt matter how much AI is involved ...
Lol my estrogen was 28 yet I still cry and get choked up at the smallest emotional thing on tv or in movies
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very true.
15lbs of lean dry tissue is a ton for a few months... extraordinary but not impossible... keep us updated
i know i can add 30-40lbs in a few weeks (and little fat gain) but id be lucky if 10% of that are lean dry tissue... rich piana probably is the same lol but he wont admit it.
for me its easy to look huge, but once i start to shred i deflate like crazy.
people at the gym think im off gear as soon as im 2-3 weeks into dieting lol
same as my best buddy
guy has a sunken in face at 15% bodyfat
im the complete opposite, id look like a sumo if i would ever hit 15% bodyfat again
and i always get the hamster cheeks with a still shredded body a few weeks into bulking lol ::)
it always takes 2-3 weeks of cutting for my face to actually start to look lean again, even if my bodyfat doesnt really budge at all
Would you say that being able to maintain an awesome look while severely dieted down is the hallmark of a champion bodybuilder? I once tried to shred down but i looked like shit because of my structural and muscle insertion deficiencies. Doesn't matter how much muscle I put on, those flaws will still be apparent. So now I stay relatively lean (but not shredded) while on a cruise dose (250mg/week) and look better
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Would you say that being able to maintain an awesome look while severely dieted down is the hallmark of a champion bodybuilder? I once tried to shred down but i looked like shit because of my structural and muscle insertion deficiencies. Doesn't matter how much muscle I put on, those flaws will still be apparent. So now I stay relatively lean (but not shredded) while on a cruise dose (250mg/week) and look better
i dunno... id say its all about getting the timing right as a champion bodybuilder...
for example i always look my best right AFTER cutting down heavily... as soon as i add back in the carbs and fill out while still being in that dry and shredded state... just 8-10lbs of glycogen and water make a HUGE difference in my physique...
i go from flat as fuck, small and narrow to big, full and ripped within 2-3 weeks... but i COULD NEVER carb up in a day or two from being flat to being stage ready... for me it would take AT LEAST a week or two... while others can fully carb up in a single day... single day carb ups either make zero difference or leave me a bloated mess...
so all about that timing
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You guys really all use ais? I've tied them a few times but never ever liked how they made me feel or look. I feel like they make you look more fragile. In the winter I run 450-750 test around 600 deca and masteron around 200-300 mg no puffy nipples just big and full some water but it fills me out. I feel like I fill my winter clothes out better. I wear a lot of fancy thermal shirts in the winter thst can show off thickness.
No need for an ai if i spill over I adjust doses and food intake.
In the summer i use short ester test and Npp masteron here and there if funds allow. I stay dry full and can see abs total dose less than 2 grams no need for ai. Using a cancer drug for water retention and estrogen control just seems unhealthy. I would rather hold a few extra pounds of water then worry about dosing those chemicals.
naaah.. I have once used A.I. i even got sore nipple(for the first time!) and i was using 2mg EOD(yeye underdosed) and was bloated.
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naaah.. I have once used A.I. i even got sore nipple(for the first time!) and i was using 2mg EOD(yeye underdosed) and was bloated.
you made a thread about your gyno though.
so you probably should have ;D
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for me its easy to look huge, but once i start to shred i deflate like crazy.
people at the gym think im off gear as soon as im 2-3 weeks into dieting lol
yeah, but that's in clothes and once you take your shirt off it's..... LIGHTS OUT 8)
for example, check this fellas insta
there's pics of him shirtless and also with t shirt on and in the t shirt pics it's like "bro, do you even lift" but once the shirt comes off you go and hide in the corner lol
you meaning anyone in general ;)
https://www.instagram.com/grenadejay/
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yeah, but that's in clothes and once you take your shirt off it's..... LIGHTS OUT 8)
for example, check this fellas insta
there's pics of him shirtless and also with t shirt on and in the t shirt pics it's like "bro, do you even lift" but once the shirt comes off you go and hide in the corner lol
you meaning anyone in general ;)
https://www.instagram.com/grenadejay/
true on him, but not for me...
i dont get drier or veinier while cutting, in fact i get soft and flat at the same time and therefore look fatter..
i look much better when bulking both in clothes and naked lol
cutting is a terrible thing
its also impossible for me to look as dry or veiny as that guy, genetics. my body is a permabulker :D
dont ask me why lol but i only start to get dry/hard below 8% bodyfat, until i hit that spot i always look fatter when cutting vs when im bulking.
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you made a thread about your gyno though.
so you probably should have ;D
yes and this time with arimidex that works !
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To be honest you look the same, just bloated AF in the second picture... ??? :'(
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Forget how much weight you want to gain. just go for being as big and lean as possible and forget the scale.
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Forget how much weight you want to gain. just go for being as big and lean as possible and forget the scale.
I 2nd that, with test its not a race its a marathon, slow clean progressive weight honestly i dont see shit until like wk 6 for me on test, usually the first few pounds i gain are simply just water after about 9 to 10 wks my body is adjusted and i have a much more pleasing look. dont even step on the scale
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I 2nd that, with test its not a race its a marathon, slow clean progressive weight honestly i dont see shit until like wk 6 for me on test, usually the first few pounds i gain are simply just water after about 9 to 10 wks my body is adjusted and i have a much more pleasing look. dont even step on the scale
allright so i guess that i gotta take it nice and slow, although i've decided to blast it for the first four weeks or so, one amp ed
then after that i'll jack one amp eod
Forget how much weight you want to gain. just go for being as big and lean as possible and forget the scale.
easier said than done, if i don't weigh myself regularly i tell myself i'm gaining and delude myself coz i've done this may times before and when i step on the scale.... NO CHANGE
so scaling it keeps me honest ;)
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allright so i guess that i gotta take it nice and slow, although i've decided to blast it for the first four weeks or so, one amp ed
then after that i'll jack one amp eod
easier said than done, if i don't weigh myself regularly i tell myself i'm gaining and delude myself coz i've done this may times before and when i step on the scale.... NO CHANGE
so scaling it keeps me honest ;)
I go weeks, sometimes over a month without stepping on a scale. this past summer I thought I looked big and lean, more then I normally would....stepped on a scale and I was close to 10lbs less then last time I weighed myself! I thought I had gained weight.
....that's what I mean by forget the scale... it's how YOU feel you look, not how much you weight.
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Abs on a skinny guy are like boobs on a fat chick.
They doN't count.
It's the lamest excuse of them all to justify having no size.
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I know this is hardcore forum but you are cycling too early dude :) If you want to continue up the test dose to 750mg or over.İn my opinion
test is only benefical in 500mg+ And If I were you I would use enanthate or cypionate instead of sust.İn my experience sust is useless for mass building believe me you would to much better on 750mg or over on enanthate.If you want to use 500mg of test add some deca or any oral to your cycle.If you want to do it do it hardcore thats my bodybuilding prenciple.)))
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Abs on a skinny guy are like boobs on a fat chick.
They doN't count.
It's the lamest excuse of them all to justify having no size.
+100000
IMO, being ripped only looks good when you have a good amount of excess muscle.
I know so many guys who have abs that look like they run or swim & they justify the lack of muscle by showing their abs.
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I know this is hardcore forum but you are cycling too early dude :) If you want to continue up the test dose to 750mg or over.İn my opinion
test is only benefical in 500mg+ And If I were you I would use enanthate or cypionate instead of sust.İn my experience sust is useless for mass building believe me you would to much better on 750mg or over on enanthate.If you want to use 500mg of test add some deca or any oral to your cycle.If you want to do it do it hardcore thats my bodybuilding prenciple.)))
Why is sus250 useless at building mass? It's a blend of 4 tests with different esters & over time, you still pretty much get the same amount of drug in your system as using cyp or enanthate.
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I know this is hardcore forum but you are cycling too early dude :) If you want to continue up the test dose to 750mg or over.İn my opinion
test is only benefical in 500mg+ And If I were you I would use enanthate or cypionate instead of sust.İn my experience sust is useless for mass building believe me you would to much better on 750mg or over on enanthate.If you want to use 500mg of test add some deca or any oral to your cycle.If you want to do it do it hardcore thats my bodybuilding prenciple.)))
supposedly long esters are better for adding muscle and sust is short and long esters combined in fact it has the longest ester of all.... testosterone decanoate
i decided to stop orals so they are a thing of the past for me, but i am running mast along with the sust, in fact i just added mast in this week and it's dried me up a bit already 8)
i'm a physique guy and top weight for me will be 180 185 RIPPED AND DRY just like this dude 8) i'm almost 180 now in fact but at eight percent semi dry not five dry and FUCK ME there's a pretty big diff btw eight percent semi dry and five dry >:( >:( >:(
he's six foot 185 here, the fella on the left :D
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supposedly long esters are better for adding muscle and sust is short and long esters combined in fact it has the longest ester of all.... testosterone decanoate
i decided to stop orals so they are a thing of the past for me, but i am running mast along with the sust, in fact i just added mast in this week and it's dried me up a bit already 8)
i'm a physique guy and top weight for me will be 180 185 RIPPED AND DRY just like this dude 8) i'm almost 180 now in fact but at eight percent semi dry not five dry and FUCK ME there's a pretty big diff btw eight percent semi dry and five dry >:( >:( >:(
he's six foot 185 here, the fella on the left :D
the guy would be EASILY 40-50lbs heavier in an "off season look" and still look relatively ripped
he has an INSANE amount of lean mass for that weight
he could go up to 240lbs and still look very lean (and would be huge even in clothes)
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the guy would be EASILY 40-50lbs heavier in an "off season look" and still look relatively ripped
he has an INSANE amount of lean mass for that weight
he could go up to 240lbs and still look very lean (and would be huge even in clothes)
but dj wants to have that look achieved on his frame and stay 24/7 or close ...and still train/eat without sacrificing'the look'his head its all in his head he is tough on himself in what he wants...that razor sharp hardness/leaness is so tough to maintain that any weight added /water smooths out the edges and lines and its a mindfuk..
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but dj wants to have that look achieved on his frame and stay 24/7 or close ...and still train/eat without sacrificing'the look'his head its all in his head he is tough on himself in what he wants...that razor sharp hardness/leaness is so tough to maintain that any weight added /water smooths out the edges and lines and its a mindfuk..
yeah, imo that requires the genetics for that look. for some people its impossible.
i get huge pretty quick but cutting is a pain in the ass to me and i ALWAYS have soft lines when cutting.
when im decently full and pumped and still extremely low in bodyfat im both dry and full but never even close to this guy.
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yeah, imo that requires the genetics for that look. for some people its impossible.
i get huge pretty quick but cutting is a pain in the ass to me and i ALWAYS have soft lines when cutting.
when im decently full and pumped and still extremely low in bodyfat im both dry and full but never even close to this guy.
whats ur height/weight?lean and offseason..
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the guy would be EASILY 40-50lbs heavier in an "off season look" and still look relatively ripped
he has an INSANE amount of lean mass for that weight
he could go up to 240lbs and still look very lean (and would be huge even in clothes)
here's his "off season look"
and he is bout 40-50lbs heavier here
i don't believe that it's necessary to go that much over goal weight
i plan to go bout ten pounds over goal weight then take tren with test for recomp ie. adding a bit more muscle while dropping fat
i did this last spring with tren, weight stayed the same but i got leaner, drier, and harder, so i know how it is 8)
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whats ur height/weight?lean and offseason..
well, i can be lean and flat as a pancake at 170lbs and i can be leaner, big and full at 200-210lbs off season...
i actually look leaner when im bulking, on lots of gear and full and pumped 24/7.
my body is weird as hell in that regard. i always get flatter and softer when im cutting until i dip into REALLY low bodyfat ranges
ill post comparison pics in my transformation thread here in 2-3 weeks, youll understand...
here's his "off season look"
and he is bout 40-50lbs heavier here
i don't believe that it's necessary to go that much over goal weight
i plan to go bout ten pounds over goal weight then take tren with test for recomp ie. adding a bit more muscle while dropping fat
i did this last spring with tren, weight stayed the same but i got leaner, drier, and harder, so i know how it is 8)
no way that thats not his off season look... id venture to say thats his off gear, diet and training look
hes plain fat there, thats not off season
I WOULD ASSUME if he would put in a good off season he would be 40-50lbs heavier with similar condition, just softer and bigger (not fatter)
or hes just a genetic freak and can hold that dry condition but looks shit when hes heavier
im the opposite really lol so i cant relate
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here's his "off season look"
and he is bout 40-50lbs heavier here
i don't believe that it's necessary to go that much over goal weight
i plan to go bout ten pounds over goal weight then take tren with test for recomp ie. adding a bit more muscle while dropping fat
i did this last spring with tren, weight stayed the same but i got leaner, drier, and harder, so i know how it is 8)
he looks good but he basically goes from nothing'relative'into something...whats ur goal dj?are you going to compete?
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well, i can be lean and flat as a pancake at 170lbs and i can be leaner, big and full at 200-210lbs off season...
i actually look leaner when im bulking, on lots of gear and full and pumped 24/7.
my body is weird as hell in that regard. i always get flatter and softer when im cutting until i dip into REALLY low bodyfat ranges
ill post comparison pics in my transformation thread here in 2-3 weeks, youll understand...
i'm opposite i hate when i'm heavier ,i look bigger lighter 'small joints'i'm 5'7 close to 190 i have abs but i get soft lower chest/delts lose 'cap a bit',i looked great at 175 summer but felt small 'relative'but i was going through some 'man'issues'prostate'so i was nervous wreck,i'm normal again.
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but dj wants to have that look achieved on his frame and stay 24/7 or close ...and still train/eat without sacrificing'the look'his head its all in his head he is tough on himself in what he wants...that razor sharp hardness/leaness is so tough to maintain that any weight added /water smooths out the edges and lines and its a mindfuk..
EXACTLY, you know me very well
i fucking hate being "fat" or "wet"
he looks good but he basically goes from nothing'relative'into something...whats ur goal dj?are you going to compete?
thought about classic bb, but if not the maybe just some physique modelling, and not for cash, just for my ego ;D
goal is.... 180 185 RIPPED AND DRY
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EXACTLY, you know me very well
i fucking hate being "fat" or "wet"
thought about classic bb, but if not the maybe just some physique modelling, and not for cash, just for my ego ;D
goal is.... 180 185 RIPPED AND DRY
ok,, 8),,get where you want and get anybody or youself take pics color/black and white ,,make them or post them here finished with your own camera and settings on camera its easy...
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ok,, 8),,get where you want and get anybody or youself take pics color/black and white ,,make them or post them here finished with your own camera and settings on camera its easy...
that's the plan
i'll be there by may 8)
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some things never change ::)
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here's his "off season look"
and he is bout 40-50lbs heavier here
i don't believe that it's necessary to go that much over goal weight
i plan to go bout ten pounds over goal weight then take tren with test for recomp ie. adding a bit more muscle while dropping fat
i did this last spring with tren, weight stayed the same but i got leaner, drier, and harder, so i know how it is 8)
That's jamie alderton, a british physique model. I do look at his page sometimes, has some good tips and seems quite down to earth, doesn't spend time doing duck faces and posting selfies 24/7.
From what I see he's been at it for awhile, and isn't afraid to post pics of him out of shape. I think that he sauces up for comp and then goes off/cruises for a pretty long time until the next comp. Smart way to do it to prolong longevity
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I dont think I could weigh 200 lbs now shy of chopping off a limb I'm going to cut though currently 235 240 if I'm starving I may see 210 lbs if I can do that I may do a small comp to say I did it idk we will see how hard I can work. I Havnt came off in 2 years and I have gained alot of muscle as compared cycling and I use very modest dosages the most of the time. I'm on 350mg enanthate only now and in few weeks I'll just change to sustanon and deca then change to masterone npp most likely and eat dbol sometimes.I Maintained vein on obliques and quads split and top 4 abs show lats also have veins really just lower back is gross looking fat shit when I get fat. I may b delusional idk but I can definitely see if got way bigger I have to wear new size shirts
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some things never change ::)
;D x2
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;D x2
i've always been confident in my potential and ability, but this time around i have the knowledge and roid experience to apply it properly and efficiently and as i've found out.... god was right ;D
i'll find this gospel quote of his later and post it up here, now i'm off to train my MASSIVE wheels lol
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this is his gospel for thickening up and it's spot on:
When you get to 8% and can see ab lines and skin getting the pop look with not much fat under
the skin, take out the test P and use Test E and blast with 1-2 grams of legit test E so you get
thicker while blowing up and maintaining single digit BF%. No orals, only change of ester ad
increasing test dose from 350-700mg to 1-2g of enanthate. That’ll push the muscle even further
from within the skin and you’ll go from 200-210lb 8% up to 220lb 7-8%. This is to thicken up a
physique that is going into too lean phase. Too lean can give impression of too week so you
need THICKNESS
so you thicken up with high doses of long ester tests and then dry up with lowered short ester test adding tren and mast
other times he mentions long ester tests stacked with drol to thicken up
i never wanted to take higher doses of test coz i wanted to stay dry but i found out that you need the higher test doses to thicken up
tren re-comped me but it didn't really thicken me or add scale weight, higher dose test adds scale weight
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Ide use just enough test to ' thicken up' as u say. I say don't jump on 2 gs test e imo not needed for u. Ide start at 750my opinion that's a hefty dose of test mrGH pushed higher doses so people would use more buy more imo. Some of his shit made since but take what u read with a grain of salt and there is no gospel in this game only Bullshitters and more BS stay safe and grow son
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this is his gospel for thickening up and it's spot on:
When you get to 8% and can see ab lines and skin getting the pop look with not much fat under
the skin, take out the test P and use Test E and blast with 1-2 grams of legit test E so you get
thicker while blowing up and maintaining single digit BF%. No orals, only change of ester ad
increasing test dose from 350-700mg to 1-2g of enanthate. That’ll push the muscle even further
from within the skin and you’ll go from 200-210lb 8% up to 220lb 7-8%. This is to thicken up a
physique that is going into too lean phase. Too lean can give impression of too week so you
need THICKNESS
so you thicken up with high doses of long ester tests and then dry up with lowered short ester test adding tren and mast
other times he mentions long ester tests stacked with drol to thicken up
i never wanted to take higher doses of test coz i wanted to stay dry but i found out that you need the higher test doses to thicken up
tren re-comped me but it didn't really thicken me or add scale weight, higher dose test adds scale weight
For me nothing adds thickness like test. Not high dose deca tren etc.
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For me nothing adds thickness like test. Not high dose deca tren etc.
same here
with low test i can also NEVER be thick, no matter what i run (maybe some exceptions but no anadrol, no dbol, no npp and no tren can give the fullness test gives)
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same here
with low test i can also NEVER be thick, no matter what i run (maybe some exceptions but no anadrol, no dbol, no npp and no tren can give the fullness test gives)
what's low in your opinion
for me, anything under 500 is low
with test prop i'd run it at 100 mg eod and it didn't do jack shit, but once i upped it to 100 mg ed i started seeing results
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what's low in your opinion
for me, anything under 500 is low
with test prop i'd run it at 100 mg eod and it didn't do jack shit, but once i upped it to 100 mg ed i started seeing results
yeah this pretty much
anything less than 500 feels like nothing
1 gram is good for anything tbh...
i didnt feel like it did much more with higher dosages though
so 1g for anything :)
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yeah this pretty much
anything less than 500 feels like nothing
1 gram is good for anything tbh...
i didnt feel like it did much more with higher dosages though
so 1g for anything :)
tbh after being off for 7 months going on 250mg a week was a noticeable difference.
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tbh after being off for 7 months going on 250mg a week was a noticeable difference.
mood wise yeah... mood wise 150-300mg test only cant be beaten... especially regarding libido imo.
and even more so if you have low test while off...
but muscle gain on 250mg test? negligible to me
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two more weeks in and here's the update pic
i've also got a back double bi comparison so i can throw that up here too, in that one the water gain is very fucking obvious
this shit is pissing me the fuck off >:( >:( >:(
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hope my thread ends up differently :D
get on the AI
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hope my thread ends up differently :D
get on the AI
hahaha
i'm on Aromasin 25 mg once every five days
i'll take the sust dose down to one amp eod starting next week
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man you should inform yourself on the compounds youre using.
aromasin half life is a day or less (some sources even claim 8 hours in males, whereas the 24 hours relate to the time aromatase gets deactivated imo)
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every 5 days is completely useless, just unnecessary hormonal roller coaster... split the dosage up ;)
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man you should inform yourself on the compounds youre using.
aromasin half life is a day or less (some sources even claim 8 hours in males, whereas the 24 hours relate to the time aromatase gets deactivated imo)
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every 5 days is completely useless, just unnecessary hormonal roller coaster... split the dosage up ;)
one of my gym bros told me to take it like that
so half a tab eod
bitch piana says he just takes one tab once or twice a week, he says in this clip within the first minute
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hahaha
i'm on Aromasin 25 mg once every five days
i'll take the sust dose down to one amp eod starting next week
No wonder you have gyno...
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one of my gym bros told me to take it like that
so half a tab eod
bitch piana says he just takes one tab once or twice a week, he says in this clip within the first minute
Arimidex also has a lot longer half life than aromasin and acts a completely different way. Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor, arimidex isn't.
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one of my gym bros told me to take it like that
so half a tab eod
bitch piana says he just takes one tab once or twice a week, he says in this clip within the first minute
1. NEVER trust guys at the gym
2. NEVER trust rich piana (lol)
3. a simple googling of "halflife aromasin" wouldve given you the answer... how can people not do this before messing with HORMONES...
adex every 5 days is also complete shit, even though people who inject test only every 5 days or so might be able to get away with it. i would personally never do it.
i do all my shots ed or eod and AIs etc all ed
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man you should inform yourself on the compounds youre using.
aromasin half life is a day or less (some sources even claim 8 hours in males, whereas the 24 hours relate to the time aromatase gets deactivated imo)
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every 5 days is completely useless, just unnecessary hormonal roller coaster... split the dosage up ;)
would you say that because aromasin is suicidal, so you won't get a sudden rebound even if you don't dose it that often? My ideal dose is 6.25mg ED but it's a pain to split the 25mg tab into 4 so I take 12.5 mg EOD and it seems to be working well (actually i might reduce the dose further, think estro is a bit too low judging from lack of pumps in the gym)
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I get away with it like u say^12.5 mgs eod but it's probly better ED dosing. Blood work will tell you exactly what your e2 it is... I'm due for blood work so I'll just keep doing like I am(12.5 eod) and see what it sais
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I get away with it like u say^12.5 mgs eod but it's probly better ED dosing. Blood work will tell you exactly what your e2 it is... I'm due for blood work so I'll just keep doing like I am(12.5 eod) and see what it sais
it's actually better twice ed due to its half life
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1. NEVER trust guys at the gym
2. NEVER trust rich piana (lol)
3. a simple googling of "halflife aromasin" wouldve given you the answer... how can people not do this before messing with HORMONES...
adex every 5 days is also complete shit, even though people who inject test only every 5 days or so might be able to get away with it. i would personally never do it.
i do all my shots ed or eod and AIs etc all ed
alright so i'll start with 12.5 mg eod
and i'll cut my test dose in half from one amp ed to one amp eod, so should i take the aro on the test inject day?
i didn't want to start the ACE til another six weeks or so, but maybe i'll start it sooner...
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dude your all over the place here,,in the quest for your perfect'look'trying to achieve you are getting info from your 'coach'or gym mate,then you come here and get many ideas from people here and that will cloud your judgment on whats best for you,,,1st thing I would do is 1.what has worked up to this point and how much and what compounds...2 is if so why change a thing in the 1st place if its working..changing things midstream is going to send your body and mind all over the place ,,raising/lowering dose ,changing ...try to manage whats working then add or increase over time if u plan on blasting/cruising .if your going to use get the most out of the 'kick'you can get...
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it's actually better twice ed due to its half life
no, it's not needed, terrible post.
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But seriously WTF man?
over 15k posts and you can't even put together a basic fuckin cycle?
DUH..... YOu ARE so STuPID....
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would you say that because aromasin is suicidal, so you won't get a sudden rebound even if you don't dose it that often? My ideal dose is 6.25mg ED but it's a pain to split the 25mg tab into 4 so I take 12.5 mg EOD and it seems to be working well (actually i might reduce the dose further, think estro is a bit too low judging from lack of pumps in the gym)
well your body builds new aromatase enzymes all the time. with adex or letro you simply disable some of them temporarily, if you stop taking it then all aromatase gets freed up again. aromasin basically "kills" some of the exisiting aromatase permanently.
HOWEVER since new aromatase is built all the time and i dont think the "disabling" effect of aromasin on aromatase lasts longer than adex or letro id still assume you get a rebound. a gentle one, since aromatase takes time to build up again (vs suddenly all aromatase is freed up when you stop taking adex).
but that also depends on the half life of the aromatase enzyme of which i have no idea nor have i ever read about it anywhere.
alright so i'll start with 12.5 mg eod
and i'll cut my test dose in half from one amp ed to one amp eod, so should i take the aro on the test inject day?
i didn't want to start the ACE til another six weeks or so, but maybe i'll start it sooner...
doesnt matter
it's actually better twice ed due to its half life
thats kind of overdoing it imo
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dude your all over the place here,,in the quest for your perfect'look'trying to achieve you are getting info from your 'coach'or gym mate,then you come here and get many ideas from people here and that will cloud your judgment on whats best for you,,,1st thing I would do is 1.what has worked up to this point and how much and what compounds...2 is if so why change a thing in the 1st place if its working..changing things midstream is going to send your body and mind all over the place ,,raising/lowering dose ,changing ...try to manage whats working then add or increase over time if u plan on blasting/cruising .if your going to use get the most out of the 'kick'you can get...
it's all an experiment bro, i like to learn and discover, and here's some of my findings:
ace is a recomper but doesn't add scale weight
test adds thickness but too much causes too much bloat ie. under five hundred doesn't do shit over 1.5 grams adds too much water, 7 to 750 works well and may be the sweet spot
eq doesn't do shit, same with mast
never tried primo so don't know
did deca once and it worked OK
from all this experimentation it appears that my ideal cycle is.... 750 test and ace at 50 mg eod
i got no ace on hand at the moment so i'll keep experimenting with test dosage to find the ideal dose
so after i figure out ideal test dose which will be in about six weeks i'll throw in the ACE 8)
maybe god was right as he told me run test prop 200 eod ACE 150 eod and drol 100 ed but i'm finished with orals
i had to figure this shit out for myself coz as you know... i ain't no follower, and i'm stubborn as fuck ;)
p.s. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT I'LL BE A BUCK 80 TO 85 AT A DRY 5 BY JUNE 8)
p.p.s my legs ARE MUCH BETTER now ;)
as bitch piana says... you must be your own man and find out what works for you, so that's exactly what i'm doing
But seriously WTF man?
over 15k posts and you can't even put together a basic fuckin cycle?
DUH..... YOu ARE so STuPID....
my post count don't mean shit chief, just started injects about a year ago, so i'm a newbie
see above for my findings so far
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it's all an experiment bro, i like to learn and discover...
i had to figure this shit out for myself coz as you know... i ain't no follower, and i'm stubborn as fuck ;)
as bitch piana says... you must be your own man and find out what works for you, so that's exactly what i'm doing
you seem smart, this is the best approach you can choose.
but dont believe people who ARE followers. read and read alot, then figure out what makes the most sense, THEN try it on yourself. always keep going and keep experimenting, never stop.
people get stuck in their shit because they believe everything they read
IT MIGHT EVEN BE TRUE
but that doesnt mean it works for them
theres no standard protocol that works for everyone, not for diet, not for AAS, not for training
(well, abusing tren GH and slin works for everyone, but you still gotta figure out how to abuse it the best way possible ;D)
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you seem smart, this is the best approach you can choose.
but dont believe people who ARE followers. read and read alot, then figure out what makes the most sense, THEN try it on yourself. always keep going and keep experimenting, never stop.
people get stuck in their shit because they believe everything they read
IT MIGHT EVEN BE TRUE
but that doesnt mean it works for them
theres no standard protocol that works for everyone, not for diet, not for AAS, not for training
(well, abusing tren GH and slin works for everyone, but you still gotta figure out how to abuse it the best way possible ;D)
well like god used to say..... "NEVER GIVE UP" and he is SPOT ON with that 8)
just came across these posts at eliteshitness
first post: "After a single dose of exemestane 25 mg, the maximal suppression of circulating estrogens(98%), occurred 2 to 3 days after dosing and persisted for 4 to 5 days."
second post: "Here's the reason Exemestane is effective for 4-5 days.
After oral administration, peak levels of Exemestane are reached in the blood at approximately 1.5 hours, and the drug is cleared from the body with a half-life of approximately 3 hours.
However, due to its nature as an irreversible inhibitor, its estrogen-suppressing activity outlives it actual active lifespan in the bloodstream.
Let me say this again...
" due to its nature as an irreversible inhibitor, its estrogen-suppressing activity outlives it actual active lifespan in the bloodstream."
You see, even though the Exemestane is not present in the bloodstream (halflife) it binds to the Aromatase Enzyme UNTIL the body replaces it through the attrition of enzymes. So therefore, it will continue to work as an Aromatase inhibitor UNTIL the enzymes are replaced.
It's half life really has nothing to do with how long it inhibits estrogen due to Exemestane's irreversible nature."
but i'll go ahead a give 12.5 mg eod a run since it seems to be the commonly prescribed dose on the nets
maybe i could ask bitch for some advices ;D ;D ;D
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you seem smart, this is the best approach you can choose.
but dont believe people who ARE followers. read and read alot, then figure out what makes the most sense, THEN try it on yourself. always keep going and keep experimenting, never stop.
people get stuck in their shit because they believe everything they read
IT MIGHT EVEN BE TRUE
but that doesnt mean it works for them
theres no standard protocol that works for everyone, not for diet, not for AAS, not for training
(well, abusing tren GH and slin works for everyone, but you still gotta figure out how to abuse it the best way possible ;D)
Jizmo have you ever considered taking up a cheaper hobby. I realised if I bought a guitar I could get free lessons from youtube and basically have hours of fun and satisfaction for much less time and pain than bodybuilding lol
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U can master the art of guitar in 2 years if u r dedicated been there done that bodybuilding is the shit son
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well like god used to say..... "NEVER GIVE UP" and he is SPOT ON with that 8)
just came across these posts at eliteshitness
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yeah thats why i mentioned the half life of the aromatase enzyme. as i said, the actual half life of a compounds is not always what matters, since sometimes metabolites are active, sometimes there are immediate and long lasting effects on other hormones etc.
HOWEVER keep in mind that the 98% estrogen suppression is for females... theres the theory that AIs are metabolized much faster in men and work much weaker, especially if you use AAS and have high estrogen levels (no way you could even get your estrogen suppressed by 98% on a gram of test).
id still use every single AI at least eod.
Jizmo have you ever considered taking up a cheaper hobby. I realised if I bought a guitar I could get free lessons from youtube and basically have hours of fun and satisfaction for much less time and pain than bodybuilding lol
bodybuilding is the only hobby that ever really satisfied me.
its not expensive at all, whats expensive is what comes with it (--> food. drugs are not that expensive. id spend the same cash on alcohol and parties anyway if it wasnt for bodybuilding).
this "hobby" goes much further than simply 1 hour a day of practise that you need for other retarded hobbies.
its a lifestyle, a challenging one that you have to put your heart into.
you can just go to soccer training 2 times a week and then not care about it for the rest of the time.
you cant do that with bodybuilding.
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yeah thats why i mentioned the half life of the aromatase enzyme. as i said, the actual half life of a compounds is not always what matters, since sometimes metabolites are active, sometimes there are immediate and long lasting effects on other hormones etc.
HOWEVER keep in mind that the 98% estrogen suppression is for females... theres the theory that AIs are metabolized much faster in men and work much weaker, especially if you use AAS and have high estrogen levels (no way you could even get your estrogen suppressed by 98% on a gram of test).
id still use every single AI at least eod.
bodybuilding is the only hobby that ever really satisfied me.
its not expensive at all, whats expensive is what comes with it (--> food. drugs are not that expensive. id spend the same cash on alcohol and parties anyway if it wasnt for bodybuilding).
this "hobby" goes much further than simply 1 hour a day of practise that you need for other retarded hobbies.
its a lifestyle, a challenging one that you have to put your heart into.
you can just go to soccer training 2 times a week and then not care about it for the rest of the time.
you cant do that with bodybuilding.
Exactly ^ u have to be non fuxking stop