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I just never saw it. He was 5'6" and change and weighed around 200 pounds. What was the appeal? Charles Clairmonte I get. Andreas Munzer I get. I just never saw the appeal. What do you guys think?
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Sucked judge cock.
No homo
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Marketable due to his occupation, among other things...
Levrone's early nemesis, no?
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Sucked judge cock.
No homo
No, I think it is homo :-X
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Had good balance, shape with structure and no obvious weak points, this was the hallmark of a good pro during that era. Was a much better look in my own opinion than todays guys.
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Wasn't he a fireman?
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Had good balance, shape with structure and no obvious weak points, this was the hallmark of a good pro during that era. Was a much better look in my own opinion than todays guys.
No doubt, no one from the modern era could touch his symmetry and overall look, but among the crop from the 90's (Levrone, Taylor, Ray, Labrada, Wheeler, Dillett, Francois, Schmidt, Pastel, Quinn, Sarcev, Sonbaty, Coleman, Cziurlock, Schlierkamp, Cormier, Baker, Fux, Munzer, Clairmonte, etc), he was placing HIGH (always top 6).
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Wasn't he a fireman?
Yes sir. A gay one at that (no joke).
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Had good balance, shape with structure and no obvious weak points, this was the hallmark of a good pro during that era. Was a much better look in my own opinion than todays guys.
this plus he was never out of shape in shows
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Yes sir. A gay one at that (no joke).
How many firemen are bodybuilders? Steve what's his name with wasted potential Kuclo, Rodney St Clair... and I am sure hundreds of others who I don't know the names of.
I'd need to see him beside a top 6 O guy to judge. Sean Ray was #1 til he stood beside someone with 40lbs on him.
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No doubt, no one from the modern era could touch his symmetry and overall look, but among the crop from the 90's (Levrone, Taylor, Ray, Labrada, Genova, Wheeler, Dillett, Francois, Schmidt, Pastel, Quinn, Sarcev, Sonbaty, Piana, Coleman, Cziurlock, Schlierkamp, Cormier, Baker, Fux, Munzer, Clairmonte, etc), he was placing HIGH (always top 6).
I agree these guys were all much better, size and aesthetic. Porter had a pleasing balance though.
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How many firemen are bodybuilders? Steve what's his name with wasted potential Kuclo, Rodney St Clair... and I am sure hundreds of others who I don't know the names of.
I'd need to see him beside a top 6 O guy to judge. Sean Ray was #1 til he stood beside someone with 40lbs on him.
Shawn Ray (not Sean) destroyed many larger men do to bis near petfect symmetry, size and muscle flow. He was robbed of the Mr. Olympia. Imo he was light years better than guys like Lee Labrada, who even SHAWN dwarfed. Bodybuilder was never really a tall man's competition. Most of the top guys were average height at best with exception to a pre-shrunken Arnold.
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Ray should have won in '94 I think. Some say '96 as well.
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Kinda looks like a mini strydom
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Hard working dude. Had a day job. Respectable.
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Shawn Ray (not Sean) destroyed many larger men do to bis near petfect symmetry, size and muscle flow. He was robbed of the Mr. Olympia. Imo he was light years better than guys like Lee Labrada, who even SHAWN dwarfed. Bodybuilder was never really a tall man's competition. Most of the top guys were average height at best with exception to a pre-shrunken Arnold.
Fuck you, always be Sean Rhey to me ....
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Lots of potty training and hosing crotch fires. :D
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cotrell won 1st 3 shows right out of the gate,had build that didn't need excess bodyweight added to do well'like ray'and when he did later on he lost sharpness on stage where it counted.great shape,delts and traps chest were excellent.dude was ripped lb for lb with balance that mattered..
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Very simple; his combination of good proportions, flow, conditioning and stage presentation
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In answer to the OP`s query,he simply looked great.
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Exactly.
BUT, I went to the NOC when he won.
I thought Munzer should have won that night, as did a lot of the crowd.
Cottrell looked great, but he was, as many have stated, balanced, in shape, virtually flawless. But boring, to me. Munzer had the freaky factor and was the crowd favorite.
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Exactly.
BUT, I went to the NOC when he won.
I thought Munzer should have won that night, as did a lot of the crowd.
Cottrell looked great, but he was, as many have stated, balanced, in shape, virtually flawless. But boring, to me. Munzer had the freaky factor and was the crowd favorite.
part true ,but munzers structure and shape was no match for cotrell especially relaxed,certain compulsory poses.
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part true ,but munzers structure and shape was no match for cotrell especially relaxed,certain compulsory poses.
Sad part is,both of these guys looked far better than todays pros and weren`t even the cream of the crop for their day. :(
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part true ,but munzers structure and shape was no match for cotrell especially relaxed,certain compulsory poses.
Correct as usual, my friend.
I hit a bunch of those NOCs in that era - always thought Munzer and Joblonicky didn't get the placings they deserved. Saw Yates win, Nasser win...etc.
Those days were cool - you had to call to get the competitor's list, and Manion himself always answered the phone and would chat a bit about the competitors if you wanted to.
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Joblonicky,always got fucking robbed bigtime. :(
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Correct as usual, my friend.
I hit a bunch of those NOCs in that era - always thought Munzer and Joblonicky didn't get the placings they deserved. Saw Yates win, Nasser win...etc.
Those days were cool - you had to call to get the competitor's list, and Manion himself always answered the phone and would chat a bit about the competitors if you wanted to.
pavol looked great in photos from those shows always,but he didn't present his physique with his posing during prejuding,where it counted.he looked great relaxed.bob paris was same way,in his signature shots he looked great,top 8 poses needed his build didn't pop or open up .
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pavol looked great in photos from those shows always,but he didn't present his physique with his posing during prejuding,where it counted.he looked great relaxed.bob paris was same way,in his signature shots he looked great,top 8 poses needed his build didn't pop or open up .
Very true.....not one of the best when it came to displaying his physique on stage,but always in awesome shape.
Thick,hard and lean with good size........in fact he looked huge!
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Ray should have won in '94 I think. Some say '96 as well.
I would have liked to have seen him win the 96 Mr. Olympia. 94 as well, seeing Yates came in with a torn bicep.
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I would have liked to have seen him win the 96 Mr. Olympia. 94 as well, seeing Yates came in with a torn bicep.
Was at 96. Yates slaughtered him.
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cotrell won 1st 3 shows right out of the gate,had build that didn't need excess bodyweight added to do well'like ray'and when he did later on he lost sharpness on stage where it counted.great shape,delts and traps chest were excellent.dude was ripped lb for lb with balance that mattered..
Very true. Towards the end, Porter started to get caught up with the early stages of playing the size game to keep up with the rest. He went from a 198 pound guy onstage to 215 pounds. I think he may have even appeared at 225 pounds at one show.
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Very true. Towards the end, Porter started to get caught up with the early stages of playing the size game to keep up with the rest. He went from a 198 pound guy onstage to 215 pounds. I think he may have even appeared at 225 pounds at one show.
I THINK 220 OR THERE,,HE WAS TOO FULL LOOKING AND WAS NOT AS CRISP AT 205/210...
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he guest posed at the first show I ever did. he was very offseason yet still impressive, insane delts. Had an extremely attractive girlfriend. They bolted right after he got done posing.
He tried to resuscitate MoMo at the show he died at, pretty sure that was a factor in him retiring. Saw picture of him a few years ago and he was in very good condition and down sized, looked healthy
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Porter was a fantastic pro: pleasing physical flow, balanced, muscular, tight, and had a polished presentation.
As well, he was articulate, friendly (I've spoken with him) and honourable. Worked a legit job.
As another says, he valiantly tried to save Momo's life. Heroically, even, as I understand it. Apparently he took charge like a boss and put everything he had into the effort. I do feel this experience at the very least dulled his keenness to continue down the pro path. The man's intelligent and that scene was more than likely a bit too much.
Bodybuilding was a better sport when Porter was involved, that's for sure. Hope he's doing well.
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Against Dillett & Cormier
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Porter was a fantastic pro: pleasing physical flow, balanced, muscular, tight, and had a polished presentation.
As well, he was articulate, friendly (I've spoken with him) and honourable. Worked a legit job.
As another says, he valiantly tried to save Momo's life. Heroically, even, as I understand it. Apparently he took charge like a boss and put everything he had into the effort. I do feel this experience at the very least dulled his keenness to continue down the pro path. The man's intelligent and that scene was more than likely a bit too much.
Bodybuilding was a better sport when Porter was involved, that's for sure. Hope he's doing well.
NICE ACCOUNT...
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Apparently at one point he had traded off doing mouth-to-mouth on Momo with another pro. Momo threw up a bit into his mouth, and when he (understandably) was grossed out and stopped, Porter said, "Keep going! And if he pukes again, spit it out and keep going, you hear?!"
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Nice account of Porter (your first one), Fortress. Porter is on Facebook and seems happy and healthy.
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Apparently at one point he had traded off doing mouth-to-mouth on Momo with another pro. Momo threw up a bit into his mouth, and when he (understandably) was grossed out and stopped, Porter said, "Keep going! And if he pukes again, spit it out and keep going, you hear?!"
Brisbois?
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Brisbois?
HE FREAKED OUT AFTER THIS...WAS DONE .
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Brisbois?
I do think it was, yes, but I'm not sure. That's why I just said "another pro".
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Pastel was there too, apparently:
Momo was taking Potassium sparing diuretic (ALDACTONE/Spirinolactone) for several days while carbing up with foods containing high amounts of potassium...
I am not sure IF he used INSULIN at the time...Some people claim he did - I simply don't know and would not want to assume...
There is NO difference anyway...insulin or not he was hyperkalemic (condition where TOO MUCH potassium was circulating in his blood stream).
Mistake of the doctor was catastrophic - and I would like to warn some of the competitors here on board of possible outcome IF they or someone they know - take potassium sparing diuretics in their contest preparation.
While carbing up for the show - usual choices of carbs for bodybuilders are also HIGH in potassium - which means - in couple of days of eating high amounts of carbohydrate containing foods which are also (accidently) filled with high levels of potassium... while taking pharmaceutical agent (type of diuretics from potassium sparing group of diuretics...most commonly used in bodybuilding circles is ALDACTONE - brand name of Spirinolactone ) which causes accumulation of potassium in blood circulation of competitors choosing common method of "peaking" for bodybuilding events...
To add "insult to injury" at the same time (last two - three days leading up to the show) bodybuilders restrict their fluid intake (individual differences go from slightly reducing their usual amounts of fluids - to drastic reductions) and some actually - COMPLETELY ELIMINATE IT...Some eliminate for just several hours...but some (even certain mr. olympia winner :-X) eliminate every type of fluids for 1-2 even 3 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some competitors "compromise" and take watery types of fruits instead...and that was the case with Momo.
I actually happen to know A LOT OF his "secrets" as we discussed numerous things and exchanged our experiences...
Momo was taking pounds of apples...He would peel them and than make apple sauce from it.
That was his absolute favorite choice of carbs for "loading phase"...and he would not drink anything LAST TWO DAYS...while taking Aldactone + Aldactazide...and occasionally additional diuretics IF he needs it...Which was the case at that 1992 Euro Tour.
Anyway, he was KILLED by LETHAL INJECTION from ignorant doctor (??? actually WHO KNOWS IF moron who came to Momo's room was licensed...? ) Hmmmm, Thierry Pastel was the only guy who was present when doctor Moron came to Momos room and brilliantly - without checking the levels of potassium in Momos blood - injected, one of the very best bodybuilders and absolutely wonderful human being Mohammed Momo Benaziza - with Potassium injection...assuming that Momo must be HYPOKALEMIC instead...
Assumption of medical practitioners when they see dehydrated person is - that due to diuresis and loss of large amounts of water - particular person must be in hypokalemic state (when insufficient amount of potassium is floating around in the blood stream - due to "mineral flush" i.e. loss of minerals caused by loss of large amounts of water or dehydration...)...
It is CRITICAL to check levels of potassium of dehydrated patient before anyone injects that patient with usual potassium or injection that contains mixture of electrolytes/minerals particularly also high in potassium...)
To hydrate patient saline solution would be fine...but NO potassium in any shape or form should be administered to dehydrated patient who used potassium sparing diuretics in contest preparation...!
Remember that - as it might save some lives...
PS - I wrote the article about it...it is "somewhere" on my board....HYPERKALEMIA article in European Flex section...I can find it right now - as I must run...
I hope this helps...
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Pastel was there too, apparently:
I remember that apparently the Doctor said something like this at the time of the event: "you bodybuilders go out of your way to pump yourselves full of drugs and destroy your body. Then at the last minute, you call me and expect me to perform a miracle and make you like new again"
That quote was me paraphrasing something that was supposedly spoken by the doctor.
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looked better than 99% of today's pros
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looked better than 99% of today's pros
And how!
A prime Porter standing beside a regular Branch would fully expose the travesty that competitive bodybuilding has become.
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^ agreed
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I just never saw it. He was 5'6" and change and weighed around 200 pounds. What was the appeal? Charles Clairmonte I get. Andreas Munzer I get. I just never saw the appeal. What do you guys think?
white=marketable plus he had the wind tunnel tested hairdo... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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white=marketable plus he had the wind tunnel tested hairdo... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Joblonicky,always got fucking robbed bigtime. :(
Yes.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/123f22d5367333115dad61df18e3b70e/tumblr_moelk6Vcc71rs4ej4o1_400.jpg) (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3345401&d=1305227632)
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Pavol's conditioning, full chest and long bi/tri bellies were impressive, but Jay beats him on overall structure and legs.
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Sucked judge cock.
No homo
Now what makes you say that? ;D
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Joblonicky,always got fucking robbed bigtime. :(
I agree. While he had a catcher's mit face, he has a sick physique. Very underrated.
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Pavol and Ahmed Haider were great with those deep cut abs. Pavol has one of the better "I want to look like that guy" physiques if it was possible to maintain it. Big, but aesthetic and flows well...
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Porter was a fantastic pro: pleasing physical flow, balanced, muscular, tight, and had a polished presentation.
As well, he was articulate, friendly (I've spoken with him) and honourable. Worked a legit job.
As another says, he valiantly tried to save Momo's life. Heroically, even, as I understand it. Apparently he took charge like a boss and put everything he had into the effort. I do feel this experience at the very least dulled his keenness to continue down the pro path. The man's intelligent and that scene was more than likely a bit too much.
Bodybuilding was a better sport when Porter was involved, that's for sure. Hope he's doing well. Nicely written. I will never forget reading the story in Musclemag about Porter trying to save Momo's life after the Grand Prix show he won.
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Yes.
Who's that on the right hand side of the picture...?
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Who's that on the right hand side of the picture...?
I believe on the right (the other left) is Jay Cutler, 4 time Mr Olympia and 15th place at that show to Pavol's 14th.
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I believe on the right (the other left) is Jay Cutler, 4 time Mr Olympia and 15th place at that show to Pavol's 14th.
Jays quads match each other there.
Within a few years, they became asymmetrical
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man Jay looked incredible there!
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man Jay looked incredible there!
He was 4th tier quality back then, seeing he placed 15th. The level of competition back then was actually "competitive" unlike the era in which he won his sandows.
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Now what makes you say that? ;D
amazing pic
why can't two guys take a pic together without it being "gay"?
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I agree. While he had a catcher's mit face, he has a sick physique. Very underrated.
Once he starts posing he loses a bit. Looks better relaxed. Placed pretty well, beat Kamali and Titus 2003 NOC that pissed them both off.
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amazing pic
why can't two guys take a pic together without it being "gay"?
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Because they're wearing thongs and covered in oil.
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Because they're wearing thongs and covered in oil.
Photo shoot for Flex Magazine. They just were doing what they were told to do.
But if you take Levrone out of the pic; you can see that Porter had some thick pecs & traps
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Photo shoot for Flex Magazine.
I fail to see who this makes it less gay.
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I fail to see who this makes it less gay.
The photographer probably was gay himself. He had those 2 guys posing in ways that he thought would look good. But Levrone & Porter were just doing what the photographer told them to do... and they both were probably trying to get the photoshoot done as fast as possible... and get the hell out of there
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Because they're wearing thongs and covered in oil.
they aren't even looking at each other
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Shawn Ray (not Sean) destroyed many larger men do to bis near petfect symmetry, size and muscle flow. He was robbed of the Mr. Olympia. Imo he was light years better than guys like Lee Labrada, who even SHAWN dwarfed. Bodybuilder was never really a tall man's competition. Most of the top guys were average height at best with exception to a pre-shrunken Arnold.
you must be blind..
blocky legs, narrow, weak chest. in some poses he looked great. in others he wasnt nearly as impressive.
Labrada was better. lol. light years?...whatever drugs you are on, gimme some.
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The photographer probably was gay himself. He had those 2 guys posing in ways that he thought would look good. But Levrone & Porter were just doing what the photographer told them to do... and they both were probably trying to get the photoshoot done as fast as possible... and get the hell out of there
So, by your words, being photographed almost naked, covered in oil, by a gay photographer.....is not gay. Gotcha.