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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/05/obama-executive-action-on-guns-to-require-background-checks-for-more-sales.html
1/5/2015
President Obama on Tuesday will formally announce plans to expand background checks and make other changes to America's gun rules via executive action, going around Congress and fueling allegations of executive overreach.
At the centerpiece of Obama's plan is a more sweeping definition of gun dealers that the administration hopes will expand the number of gun sales subject to background checks. At gun shows, websites and flea markets, sellers often skirt that requirement by declining to register as licensed dealers, but officials said new federal guidance would clarify that it applies to anyone "in the business" of selling firearms.
Obama's actions, detailed by the White House Monday, mark a renewed bid by the president to enact gun control measures with or without Congress.
Republicans accused the president of going too far, and already have threatened to fight the new measures by withholding DOJ funding. The guidance, though, aims to achieve a long-time administration goal of at least narrowing the so-called gun show loophole.
Under current law, only federally licensed gun dealers must conduct background checks on buyers, but many who sell guns at flea markets, on websites or in other informal settings don't register as dealers. The ATF has issued updated guidance that says the government can consider someone a gun dealer regardless of where the guns are sold.
In an attempt to prevent gun purchases from falling through the cracks, the FBI will hire 230 more examiners to process background checks, the White House said.
The FBI has a computerized system that can process background checks for many in seconds, but in instances where the FBI needs more time, the government only has three days before prospective buyers can return and buy the gun without being cleared.
Earlier Monday, Obama vowed to press ahead with new executive actions on gun control after meeting with top law enforcement officials, claiming he has the “legal authority” to act – and defying congressional critics who say he’s pursuing a “dangerous” overreach.
The president spoke after meeting with Attorney General Loretta Lynch, FBI Director James Comey and other top officials to review their proposals and finalize his plans.
Obama said their recommendations are “well within my legal authority” and would be supported by “the overwhelming majority of the American people, including gun owners.”
“The recommendations that are being made by my team here are ones that are entirely consistent with the Second Amendment,” Obama said, claiming they could “potentially save lives.”
The revived push to tighten America’s gun laws via executive action, however, has resulted in a backlash on Capitol Hill and the campaign trail.
Republicans made clear they would fight the administration and accused the president of overstepping.
"While we don’t yet know the details of the plan, the president is at minimum subverting the legislative branch, and potentially overturning its will,” House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said in a statement. “This is a dangerous level of executive overreach, and the country will not stand for it.”
Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, who chairs a key appropriations panel, warned Lynch on Monday that he would “use every tool at my disposal to immediately restrict” DOJ funding if the department proceeds with “new restrictions on our Constitutional rights.”
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump vowed to reverse any such actions if he’s elected.
"We're not changing the Second Amendment," Trump said Saturday at a campaign rally in Biloxi, Miss. "I will veto that. I will un-sign that so fast."
While Obama took heat from Republicans, supporters of stronger action on gun control applauded the president’s new push.
"We definitely think there are things he can do," said Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which advocates for expanding background checks. Gross says his recent conversations with White House aides have left him hopeful.
"It's very clear that the White House is feeling emboldened," he said.
Obama announced the meeting with Lynch in his weekly address from his Hawaii holiday vacation. On Thursday, he'll take his argument to prime time, participating in a town hall discussion of gun violence on CNN. He's slated to make his case for changes in his State of the Union address on Jan. 12.
The high-profile rollout reflects a White House continuing to look for ways to wrap up unfinished business despite an uncooperative Congress.
After all but ignoring the issue in his first term, Obama changed course after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in December 2012. Nevertheless, the president failed to push a package of gun measures through Congress, including one expanding background checks.
At the same time, Obama took nearly two dozen executive actions to tighten gun laws, but left a major expansion of background checks out of the mix.
But after the shooting at a community college in Roseburg, Ore. in October, Obama ordered his staff to redouble the effort to look for ways to work around Congress.
Under current law, federally licensed firearms dealers are required to seek background checks on potential firearm purchasers. But advocacy groups say many sellers are currently exempt from having to register, increasing the chance of sales to customers prohibited by law from purchasing a gun.
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Pheew, I feel so much safer knowing criminals will go through background checks to get their guns now.
Thanks Obama
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do you feel safe knowing these two have access to guns.
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Pheew, I feel so much safer knowing criminals will go through background checks to get their guns now.
Thanks Obama
Well, I am assuming this is meant for people who ALREADY have a criminal background, who are trying to buy guns from a gunshow. Not someone who is not yet a criminal, but may become one. I agree that if someone wants to engage in criminal activity, they are going to find a way to obtain a gun.
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More political non-sense that will accomplish nothing. My question is when does the tipping point hit where .gov says we have exhausted all means, now we must ban firearms
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More political non-sense that will accomplish nothing. My question is when does the tipping point hit where .gov says we have exhausted all means, now we must ban firearms
Question:
why do you put a period in front of gov? ".gov?"
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Question:
why do you put a period in front of gov? ".gov?"
There is a reason for it.
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There is a reason for it.
Well, I know many federal webpages end with ".gov" I am just trying to figure out if there is a deeper meaning behind it, since he uses it here.
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not a cankle in the bunch...
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Fuck him. No one listens to him anyway...lol.
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More political non-sense that will accomplish nothing. My question is when does the tipping point hit where .gov says we have exhausted all means, now we must ban firearms
I suspect the government may eventually try to do that. I mean, I don't think it will actually ever happen, but I bet they try. Eventually, you will only be able to own a 2" pocket knife.
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What is the point of having a Congress? Seriously, every time Bahama proposes a new bill and Congress votes it down, he always "executive actions" it. So what is the point? Should the POTUS have this much power? ???
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What is the point of having a Congress? Seriously, every time Bahama proposes a new bill and Congress votes it down, he always "executive actions" it. So what is the point? Should the POTUS have this much power? ???
He doesn't have that much power, it happens because we the people allow it to happen.
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What is the point of having a Congress? Seriously, every time Bahama proposes a new bill and Congress votes it down, he always "executive actions" it. So what is the point? Should the POTUS have this much power? ???
Pretty sure a veto is not a new thing. Google 'pocket veto,' ace.
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why are people against background checks? Shouldn't it already be happening by default?
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I suspect the government may eventually try to do that. I mean, I don't think it will actually ever happen, but I bet they try. Eventually, you will only be able to own a 2" pocket knife.
Who would have ever thought prohibition would have happened? But it did, of course like just about everything .gov does, all it did was create a huge black market and backfire on them. Al Capone loved the shit out of prohibition.
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Pretty sure a veto is not a new thing. Google 'pocket veto,' ace.
I'm not talking about veto power, I'm talking about executive action.
Mandatory background checks were already proposed by Obama. The Senate voted it down. Which leads us to where we are now. Obama is unhappy that they voted it down, so he says, "Fuck it, I'll just executive action it!"
Kind of seems like a mild dictatorship. POTUS proposes bills, and if they pass, he's happy. If they don't pass, he just executive actions them. Either way, he's going to get what he wants.
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I'm not talking about veto power, I'm talking about executive action.
Mandatory background checks were already proposed by Obama. The Senate voted it down. Which leads us to where we are now. Obama is unhappy that they voted it down, so he says, "Fuck it, I'll just executive action it!"
Kind of seems like a mild dictatorship. POTUS proposes bills, and if they pass, he's happy. If they don't pass, he just executive actions them. Either way, he's going to get what he wants.
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Yeah. Kinda like Dick Cheney. What are ya gonna do?
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I never understood how this guy ended up with Katy Perry.
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did someone say guns?
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Back of William T. Vollmann's 'You Bright and Risen Angels' has an author pic of himself pointing a .45 at his forehead. Best author pic ever. How it ever got printed, I'll never know. ;D
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why are people against background checks? Shouldn't it already be happening by default?
i'm a British national with forgiven military service(Israel), I sound English and look like i could be Arabic.
I visited my gf's family in Memphis 2 months ago, gun shop offered to sell me a small arsenal that i'd be allowed to take home that same day, as long as i left my driver's license for an eventual background check. If i was keen on a suicide run they'd be loads of dead folks in a some shitty Walmart. That's fucking mental
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I'm not talking about veto power, I'm talking about executive action.
Mandatory background checks were already proposed by Obama. The Senate voted it down. Which leads us to where we are now. Obama is unhappy that they voted it down, so he says, "Fuck it, I'll just executive action it!"
Kind of seems like a mild dictatorship. POTUS proposes bills, and if they pass, he's happy. If they don't pass, he just executive actions them. Either way, he's going to get what he wants.
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Prerogative of power, whereby a king issues suspensions of laws and proclaims new ones, bypassing parliament and judges. POTUS is doing just this, but congress is not asserting its power, and the SCOTUS does nothing until a case gets to them.
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I visited my gf's family in Memphis 2 months ago, gun shop offered to sell me a small arsenal that i'd be allowed to take home that same day, as long as i left my driver's license for an eventual background check. If i was keen on a suicide run they'd be loads of dead folks in a some shitty Walmart. That's fucking mental
little pink houses for you and me
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The problem is that if you sell a gun you must become a licensed dealer. So I couldn't sell my buddy a gun. From my understanding you have to get the license to hand down guns to family members such as your kids
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Obama is a pos. can't believe I supported him at one time. Glad I never voted for him tho.
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do the american sheeple not realize that "gun control" only controls LEGAL gun owner's ...??
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The problem is that if you sell a gun you must become a licensed dealer. So I couldn't sell my buddy a gun. From my understanding you have to get the license to hand down guns to family members such as your kids
This is not true. You do not have to become a dealer. You just have to file a 4473. People do it all the time in the present. There are a few states that require background checks for private party sales. The individuals involved in the transaction meet at an FFL. The FFL performs the 4473 for a fee, and the parties exchange firearms.
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do the american sheeple not realize that "gun control" only controls LEGAL gun owner's ...??
applicable to all laws, why have any at all then
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how many Americans have Muslims killed in the last decade? how many Americans have guns killed in the last decade?
and are you kidding? you do know Syrian refugees are vetted by multiple agencies around the world right? it's about a 2 year process
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i'm a British national with forgiven military service(Israel), I sound English and look like i could be Arabic.
I visited my gf's family in Memphis 2 months ago, gun shop offered to sell me a small arsenal that i'd be allowed to take home that same day, as long as i left my driver's license for an eventual background check. If i was keen on a suicide run they'd be loads of dead folks in a some shitty Walmart. That's fucking mental
I'm fine with background checks being executed prior to sale completion.
^ being said: Do you really want a $13/hour Walmart employee deciding who should get anything based upon looks and whatever impression they get?
Personally, I fail to see how background checks will stop criminals. I'm guessing the people who advocate this believe fewer legal guns will translate into fewer illegally owned/acquired in the very long term.
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how many Americans have Muslims killed in the last decade? how many Americans have guns killed in the last decade?
and are you kidding? you do know Syrian refugees are vetted by multiple agencies around the world right? it's about a 2 year process
With what records? On most of these "refugees" there is little if any back ground documentation. But in the US we have documentation up the ass on everybody. Take for instance Tashfeen Malik, not the womans real name. (Tashfeen Malik (King) is a nom de guerre for a Muslim Jihadist from the annals of Muslim history. As he is known to Muslims “تاشفين ملك الموحدين” Tashfeen Malik Al-Muahideen, in English: Tafhseen King of the Unitarians (Muslims) and the conquerer of the west. The history stems from when Yusuf ibn Tashfin led the Muslim forces in the Battle of Zallaqa/Sagrajas. He came to Andalusia from Morocco to help the Muslims fight against Alfonso VI, eventually achieving victory and allowing the Muslims to remain in Spain for centuries. The battle has been symbolic for Muslim victory against the Christians.) A fine vetting job ::)
More to the point most of these fuckers have 3 or 4 different alias's.
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Politics aside,
does anyone feel safer after this executive action?
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Politics aside,
does anyone feel safer after this executive action?
I didn't feel my safety was in danger before the EO
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Politics aside,
does anyone feel safer after this executive action?
I do.
Only cause I'm carrying though. ;)
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Agree drkaje.
I am fine with mandatory criminal background checks and closing the gun show loophole, but a whole lot of liberals want to take gun restrictions farther. I read some of the assault weapons ban bill, it went way farther than reported on the news clips. They tried to totally reclassify assault guns and include a ton of weapons. There were a tremendous amount of other restrictions and rules buried in the bill that people wouldn't have known until became law. Thankfully lawmakers and other organizations read what they were trying to get by us. I believe they will try it again.
No, I don't feel safer at all. Mass shootings are usually mental health issues, terrorists or extremists.
Obama tried to imply online gun sales don't go through background checks, which is untrue. All online gun sales eventually go through a dealer/store for pickup and background check is done.
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Why doesn't the president get this upset when illegals kill our citizens. Why did the left vote down restrictions on sanctuary cities and being harsher on illegal felons?
Despicable.
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With what records? On most of these "refugees" there is little if any back ground documentation. But in the US we have documentation up the ass on everybody. Take for instance Tashfeen Malik, not the womans real name. (Tashfeen Malik (King) is a nom de guerre for a Muslim Jihadist from the annals of Muslim history. As he is known to Muslims “تاشفين ملك الموحدين” Tashfeen Malik Al-Muahideen, in English: Tafhseen King of the Unitarians (Muslims) and the conquerer of the west. The history stems from when Yusuf ibn Tashfin led the Muslim forces in the Battle of Zallaqa/Sagrajas. He came to Andalusia from Morocco to help the Muslims fight against Alfonso VI, eventually achieving victory and allowing the Muslims to remain in Spain for centuries. The battle has been symbolic for Muslim victory against the Christians.) A fine vetting job ::)
More to the point most of these fuckers have 3 or 4 different alias's.
do you understand what the word vet means? if i tell the dmv my name is john smith and it's really joe smith, i dont get a license. Are you really that daft? guess what? the ones without concrete records don't pass step one.
more so are you really commenting without knowing the vetting process? do you understand how ignorant that is?
1)firstly it gets started with the UN.
step one is refugee interviews, home country reference checks and biological screening
2) if they pass, only a small small percentage of them get approved for international relocation. basically anyone who's a special interest group. Torture, sexual violence, political persecution, multiple children, a female head of household.
3) and after they're recommended to america by the UN, the us govt does their own vetting(again confirming their identity or they get told to fuck off). most likely they'll be told to fuck off unless they've proven to be employable or already have family here.
4) then they get turned over to dhs, fbi, cia and the dod, where they're screened again. all along confirming their identity
So far 55% of all Syrian refugees are children under 10 and 25% of them are past the retirement age.
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Um......you think we're really doing any of that. Have you ever worked with the feds?
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Why doesn't the president get this upset when illegals kill our citizens. Why did the left vote down restrictions on sanctuary cities and being harsher on illegal felons?
Despicable.
because by every recognizable metric without exception, "incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants."
Illegal immigrants commit murders are a rate much much much lower than the national average. why bother with the lest important group first?
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Um......you think we're really doing any of that. Have you ever worked with the feds?
govt contractor with dhs\gsa actually
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do you understand what the word vet means? if i tell the dmv my name is john smith and it's really joe smith, i dont get a license. Are you really that daft? guess what? the ones without concrete records don't pass step one.
more so are you really commenting without knowing the vetting process? do you understand how ignorant that is?
1)firstly it gets started with the UN.
step one is refugee interviews, home country reference checks and biological screening
2) if they pass, only a small small percentage of them get approved for international relocation. basically anyone who's a special interest group. Torture, sexual violence, political persecution, multiple children, a female head of household.
3) and after they're recommended to america by the UN, the us govt does their own vetting(again confirming their identity or they get told to fuck off). most likely they'll be told to fuck off unless they've proven to be employable or already have family here.
4) then they get turned over to dhs, fbi, cia and the dod, where they're screened again. all along confirming their identity
So far 55% of all Syrian refugees are children under 10 and 25% of them are past the retirement age.
I'm daft and I just gave you an example of the fine vetting job that was done. Someone that came in and killed Americans. How exactly can you confirm an identity when there is little to no documentation or records? What about the 9/11 Hijackers? They were Vetted weren't they?
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I'm daft and I just gave you an example of the fine vetting job that was done. Someone that came in and killed Americans. How exactly can you confirm an identity when there is little to no documentation or records?
you posted a photo about Obama wanting to let refugees into the country, he was not a refugee. it's not the same screening process
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you posted a photo about Obama wanting to let refugees into the country, he was not a refugee. it's not the same screening process
Oh I feel much better now, so the screening for all the others trying to enter the country sucks ass. You have just boosted my confidence in .gov ability to vet people ::)
I guess you missed the irony.........
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residue = a_assmed. I can smell him from a mile away. How you doing you little terrorist sympathizer? I haven't been on in a while, but harassing you just might bring me back.
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residue = a_assmed. I can smell him from a mile away. How you doing you little terrorist sympathizer? I haven't been on in a while, but harassing you just might bring me back.
terrorist sympathizer? in the same thread where i said i served in the idf? i guarantee you I've done more to reduce the world's Muslim population than anyone on this board
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i guarantee you I've done more to reduce the world's Muslim population than anyone on this board
the fuck does that even mean ???
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the fuck does that even mean ???
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the fuck does that even mean ???
One would assume him being a soldier of some sort at one point.
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One would assume him being a soldier of some sort at one point.
Jason Blahahahaha ???
GetBig is safe now.
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Are automatic weapons such as machine guns or uzis illegal in the US, i.e., can a law abiding citizen own one?
I assume they are not legal.
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Jason Blahahahaha ???
GetBig is safe now.
I believe it's A_ahmed
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Are automatic weapons such as machine guns or uzis illegal in the US, i.e., can a law abiding citizen own one?
I assume they are not legal.
They are illegal for the most part. They can be obtained legally but it is a very lengthy and expensive process. Costs around 10,000 to get that license, I've heard.
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Jason Blahahahaha ???
GetBig is safe now.
hahahah, hardly. it's compulsory service, everyone's in the military