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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: rocket on March 14, 2006, 07:23:17 AM
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Milos or Guy
There are one or two people debating this quite heavily I thought I'd ask someone who might know, here is what is being said (I don't have an opinion, I'm just interested to hear the truth).
From Johnnyapollo (basically the crux of the discussion).
"I know several people who have used Synthol in the past. It's injected into the heads of the muscles to cause oil to enter the muscle and then after a few weeks it naturally dissipates. Once it dissipates there is a room left over where the synthol used to be,REAL muscle can be grown there. The temporary hollow area is a highly anabolic environment which causes the muscle to naturally "fill out" and fill the area that the oil used to be. New muscle fibers form to fill the area within a few weeks and then you have actuall real muscle replacing it.
This guy has IMPLANTS. There is NO WAY this can be caused by simple synthol injections. I won't repeat myself again...OIL DISSIPATES. Any sort of liquid injected into the muscles or which forms in the muscles dissipates. Anyone who's ever injected testosterone into therself knows that it dissipates."
Anyway, thoughts?, Does this mean that oil must be regularly injected in? To me the thing that casts doubt on full dissipation is that it is clear at contest time when someone has gone too far. Why then would they turn up to the next contest with obvious oil usage again if it were necessary to repeat application?
Shawn if you delete this, I'll haunt you, I'm interested to know about it, let it be
For reference he was referring to a picture of
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58821.0;attach=69128;image)
But I'm more interested in borderline cases of pros who look like they have slightly overdone things.
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Synthol WILL destroy muscle tissue...
It creates scar tissue that becomes fibrotic and/or necrotic tissue.
Fibrosis is known as proliferation of fibrous connective tissue...What is important to realize is: this is ABNORMAL condition as fibrotic tissue REPLACES normal smooth MUSCLE tissue!
Necrosis is even worst: this condition is characterized with DEATH of localized tissue! Due to injury (in this case local synthol injections) death occurs in groups of muscle cells in the muscle tissue where bodybuilder injects synthol.
As I made myself example before - I will do it again (even at coast to be primary target for my "biggest fans") - synthol truly destroyed my competitive career.
Muscle tissue where I injected synthol will simply not respond to any training stimulus anymore...
I hope that is enough to stop everyone of using it.
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So Milos, what do you think this clown has in his arms?
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So Milos, what do you think this clown has in his arms?
He has TROUBLE he will have to deal with very soon!
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Milos, thank you for your candor and honesty.
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Not such a smart or should I say brainy thing to do when your called the smartest person in your profession and you ruin your career...
Alanis Morissette... "isnt it ironic...don you think??"
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Not such a smart or should I say brainy thing to do when your called the smartest person in your profession and you ruin your career...
Alanis Morissette... "isnt it ironic...don you think??"
Hindsight is always 20/20. It's not exactly like there were lots of clinical studies done on the safety of doing I/M injections with synthol or something, ya know? I'm sure it's not approved for I/M use by the FDA or anything. It's just one of those fucked-up things someone came up with and it started catching on and only now are some of the more long-term effects being realized.
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Not such a smart or should I say brainy thing to do when your called the smartest person in your profession and you ruin your career...
Alanis Morissette... "isnt it ironic...don you think??"
Have you ever heard a saying: ERRARE HUMANUM EST (it's human to make mistakes)?
I recognized my mistake and now I try to warn people to learn from my mistake...
And as far as you "jaejonna" how many mistakes did you make today?
So far - everything you do or say is mistake...it's getting boring - do something right for Christ sake.
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whats the difference between taking anabolic steroids and using synthol? This is a rhetorical question, all im saying is that people take steroids to make their physiques look better, and then they use the synthol as an add on to improve lagging parts. Im pretty sure Milos only wanted to fill in the blanks to stop the judges overlooking him, and whilst i do not condone his use of it, i do understand why he felt the need to. In hindsight he wouldnt have used it but there is nothing he can do about that now except use his situation as a severe warning to others who may want to start using it.
in reply to the remark about him being the brainiest man in the profession, qute simply: LISTEN and LEARN
im sure you didnt understand half of what Milos said in his first post and English is his SECOND language ::)
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I like how these synthol junkies try to rationalize injecting shit into their arms. Muscle fibers cannot reproduce, they only get bigger in size. This notion that synthol will stimulate the reproduction of new muscle fibers contradicts basic medical science.
BTW Milos, we're talking about skeletal muscle tissue, not smooth muscle tissue. :P
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58821.0;attach=69128;image)
I may be crazy.....but this looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta get me some synthol!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58821.0;attach=69128;image)
I may be crazy.....but this looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta get me some synthol!
Exactly, this dude is crazy big.....a damn man-monster of epic proportions!!
Synthol is the way to go kiddos!!
MOS
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Not such a smart or should I say brainy thing to do when your called the smartest person in your profession and you ruin your career...
Alanis Morissette... "isnt it ironic...don you think??"
The thing is that people who make mistakes and are able to learn from those mistakes can actually use their experiences to better coach or instruct other individuals.
It's one thing to learn all the science behind pharma products, peaking procedures and all the other variables involved in bodybuilding, it's quite another to be able to put that theoretical knowledge into practice.
Would you ask a virgin for tip on how to become a great lover? Hopefully not! Milos is a curious mind; he learn the theory behind the variables involved in bodybuilding, but he was also brave enough to be his own guinea pig. Some times such approach can backfire. After all, it's not like there is any true scientific studies about bodybuilding "supplementation"... so trying something out in the real world carries its set of risks. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. But at least if you've been on the field of battle (not just learning the theories and experimenting only on others like other prep gurus) you are much better equipped to counsell others and make them avoid the most serious risks.
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milos, do you feel the collagen in the brand of synthol you used (esiklean) is responsible for the damage?? certain brands contain no collagen (synthetek/syntherol) and there manufacturers seem to claim this is what is responsible for the cellular damage. your opinion is greatly appreciated.
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Exactly, this dude is crazy big.....a damn man-monster of epic proportions!!
Synthol is the way to go kiddos!!
MOS
I want my neck to get that big
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Who gives a shit who uses synthol or not, If they want to look like that let them be. By the way, the general public wouldnt know the difference between real muscle thats been overdeveloped and that bag of shit for arms that guy has.
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The guy looks like white trash all the way. Now he's white trash with oil in his arms. Good job!
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Thanks milos for answering, I appreciate that every time you answer something like this you have to endure several people casting judgement about your choice ::) Anyway, I'm not sure what I was directly questioning has been answered, forgive me if you have I'm not incredibly knowledgable in this field.
I think the crux of the argument was these questions
Does synthol dissipate over time?
Does it require maintenance injections?
Is it even possible to have that much oil in your arms or wouldn't the oil migrate to say the forearms?
Wouldn't it be more likely that they are implants?
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Thanks milos for answering, I appreciate that every time you answer something like this you have to endure several people casting judgement about your choice ::) Anyway, I'm not sure what I was directly questioning has been answered, forgive me if you have I'm not incredibly knowledgable in this field.
I think the crux of the argument was these questions
Does synthol dissipate over time?
Does it require maintenance injections?
Is it even possible to have that much oil in your arms or wouldn't the oil migrate to say the forearms?
Wouldn't it be more likely that they are implants?
you forgot to ask your last question:
Where can i get some?
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Hah, I'm spectator not a participant..
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Milos is it true you were using the Esikclean brand of Synthol?Someone on professional muscle said the problems you had were due to using an unsterile product... that you suffered an anaphylactic shock. True?
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Synthol WILL destroy muscle tissue...
It creates scar tissue that becomes fibrotic and/or necrotic tissue.
Fibrosis is known as proliferation of fibrous connective tissue...What is important to realize is: this is ABNORMAL condition as fibrotic tissue REPLACES normal smooth MUSCLE tissue!
Necrosis is even worst: this condition is characterized with DEATH of localized tissue! Due to injury (in this case local synthol injections) death occurs in groups of muscle cells in the muscle tissue where bodybuilder injects synthol.
As I made myself example before - I will do it again (even at coast to be primary target for my "biggest fans") - synthol truly destroyed my competitive career.
Muscle tissue where I injected synthol will simply not respond to any training stimulus anymore...
I hope that is enough to stop everyone of using it.
All true assuming it's done INCORRECTLY or used specific oils with collagen that forms scar tissue. If done correctly there won't be any scar tissue. You should of choose a oil without any collagen,Should of used smaller needles(To reduce the trauma on the muscle from the injection which causes scar tissue), Should of massaged the area several times a day to prevent a "lump" from forming which forms scar tissue.
I'm assuming you made some sort of mistake in the injection,Choice of SEO,post injection protocol,ect.
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whats the difference between taking anabolic steroids and using synthol? This is a rhetorical question, all im saying is that people take steroids to make their physiques look better, and then they use the synthol as an add on to improve lagging parts. Im pretty sure Milos only wanted to fill in the blanks to stop the judges overlooking him, and whilst i do not condone his use of it, i do understand why he felt the need to. In hindsight he wouldnt have used it but there is nothing he can do about that now except use his situation as a severe warning to others who may want to start using it.
in reply to the remark about him being the brainiest man in the profession, qute simply: LISTEN and LEARN
im sure you didnt understand half of what Milos said in his first post and English is his SECOND language ::)
Anabolic Steroids are alot easier to take and are alot safer than Synthol. Mistakes are Rampant with Synthol use,Sarcev is an example I believe. However Steroids only cause everlasting problems when used without any regard for the future. Guys who take Steroids and have a good cycle and make a few mistakes here and there by missing this or that or not doing a PCT won't see everlasting side effects.
However when it comes to Synthol..A single inch in the wrong direction can do alot of permanent damage.
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As I made myself example before - I will do it again (even at coast to be primary target for my "biggest fans") - synthol truly destroyed my competitive career.
Muscle tissue where I injected synthol will simply not respond to any training stimulus anymore...
I must have synthol in my arms too...because they will simply not respond to any training stimulus anymore either.
Special "Toothpicks" Ed
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The thing is that people who make mistakes and are able to learn from those mistakes can actually use their experiences to better coach or instruct other individuals.
It's one thing to learn all the science behind pharma products, peaking procedures and all the other variables involved in bodybuilding, it's quite another to be able to put that theoretical knowledge into practice.
Would you ask a virgin for tip on how to become a great lover? Hopefully not! Milos is a curious mind; he learn the theory behind the variables involved in bodybuilding, but he was also brave enough to be his own guinea pig. Some times such approach can backfire. After all, it's not like there is any true scientific studies about bodybuilding "supplementation"... so trying something out in the real world carries its set of risks. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose. But at least if you've been on the field of battle (not just learning the theories and experimenting only on others like other prep gurus) you are much better equipped to counsell others and make them avoid the most serious risks.
There are plenty of studies on bodybuilding supplements.
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I must have synthol in my arms too...because they will simply not respond to any training stimulus anymore either.
Special "Toothpicks" Ed
Haha, Nice point! ;D
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I am a TRUE fan of Milos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Have you ever heard a saying: ERRARE HUMANUM EST (it's human to make mistakes)?
I recognized my mistake and now I try to warn people to learn from my mistake...
And as far as you "jaejonna" how many mistakes did you make today?
So far - everything you do or say is mistake...it's getting boring - do something right for Christ sake.
Hey milos; a question for you??
What body part did you inject Synthol on ???
How long ago??
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Milos or Guy
There are one or two people debating this quite heavily I thought I'd ask someone who might know, here is what is being said (I don't have an opinion, I'm just interested to hear the truth).
From Johnnyapollo (basically the crux of the discussion).
"I know several people who have used Synthol in the past. It's injected into the heads of the muscles to cause oil to enter the muscle and then after a few weeks it naturally dissipates. Once it dissipates there is a room left over where the synthol used to be,REAL muscle can be grown there. The temporary hollow area is a highly anabolic environment which causes the muscle to naturally "fill out" and fill the area that the oil used to be. New muscle fibers form to fill the area within a few weeks and then you have actuall real muscle replacing it.
This guy has IMPLANTS. There is NO WAY this can be caused by simple synthol injections. I won't repeat myself again...OIL DISSIPATES. Any sort of liquid injected into the muscles or which forms in the muscles dissipates. Anyone who's ever injected testosterone into therself knows that it dissipates."
Anyway, thoughts?, Does this mean that oil must be regularly injected in? To me the thing that casts doubt on full dissipation is that it is clear at contest time when someone has gone too far. Why then would they turn up to the next contest with obvious oil usage again if it were necessary to repeat application?
Shawn if you delete this, I'll haunt you, I'm interested to know about it, let it be
For reference he was referring to a picture of
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58821.0;attach=69128;image)
But I'm more interested in borderline cases of pros who look like they have slightly overdone things.
Hey Mate!
Sorry for my late reply! I used it in my arms and shoulders. I never used it in my calves. That was the pure result of site injecting anything oil based. I don't feel from either the Synthol or site injecting did anything to build muscle. It was 100% inflamtion and scar tissue. One you stop using the inflamation dies down which is the redess you will notice on some people that site inject. Hope this helps!
Guy
www.grundydvd.com
www.fitnetusa.com
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Guy,
when do you think this foolish bastard will have to have his arms chopped off?
We should all start a pool...
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What exercise does he do to make his forearms so puny? He needs a website.
Special "299Website.com" Ed
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58821.0;attach=69128;image)
I may be crazy.....but this looks AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta get me some synthol!
Hell ya....plus, you never have to tan your arms!
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Guy,
when do you think this foolish bastard will have to have his arms chopped off?
We should all start a pool...
It is amazing some one would do that to them selves! I am sure he is going to have trouble in the future. Hope all is well
Guy
www.grundydvd.com
www.fitnetusa.com
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Thanks guy, interesting to hear real information on synthol rather than just accusations of this person or that using it.
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I dont beleive just site injection would turn black and blue. i believe that to be infection. If not just fucking discusting...lol. What does that prove or appeal to or feel good to have fucked up looking biceps with 12 year old looking forearms? Good luck living past?......2008? I dont know what sport you say you are in but the one Im in is called bodybuilding as I found through Arnold and Franco, not bodydestroying. Best of luck my man. How you can wear overalls with gueina pigs living in your arms is beyond me.....Take care of yourself.
Kt
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I like how these synthol junkies try to rationalize injecting shit into their arms. Muscle fibers cannot reproduce, they only get bigger in size. This notion that synthol will stimulate the reproduction of new muscle fibers contradicts basic medical science.
BTW Milos, we're talking about skeletal muscle tissue, not smooth muscle tissue. :P
I mean "smooth" and not fibrotic or necrotic skeletal muscle tissue...
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Thanks milos for answering, I appreciate that every time you answer something like this you have to endure several people casting judgement about your choice ::) Anyway, I'm not sure what I was directly questioning has been answered, forgive me if you have I'm not incredibly knowledgable in this field.
I think the crux of the argument was these questions
Does synthol dissipate over time?
Does it require maintenance injections?
Is it even possible to have that much oil in your arms or wouldn't the oil migrate to say the forearms?
Wouldn't it be more likely that they are implants?
Answer to ALL questions is: DON'T USE SYNTHOL...so doesn't matter if dissipates, require maintenance, migrate...etc.
Just DON'T DO IT...
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There are plenty of studies on bodybuilding supplements.
I'm talking about usable studies. An HRT research using testosterone only at a dose of 200-400mg/week is hardly comparable to using 1000-2000mg + hGH and insulin at the same time.
For example; most of the earlier research conducted on steroids actually found that they did not lead to muscle growth! Of course the doses used were super low and the guys didn't even train. Now studies are starting to show that steroids indeed lead to muscle growth in healthy subjects, but the dose used, while higher than in the initial batch of studies, is still considered too low to be comparable to "pro/top amateur dose".
Same goes with other "supplements": lots of research on the products per se, but only using therapeutic doses and seldom used along with other "supplements".
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Answer to ALL questions is: DON'T USE SYNTHOL...so doesn't matter if dissipates, require maintenance, migrate...etc.
Just DON'T DO IT...
Milos, I can assure you I'm in no danger of ever going near synthol :). I didn't start the thread to advertise it, just to demystify it so that people could more intelligently talk about the subject of physiques here.
Besides, there are two ways of looking at reducing its use. You can tell everybody that they shouldn't use it and restrict information or you can give people information and show bad cases. I think its pretty clear that when people know the facts and have seen the nightmares they generally stay away from it.
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Answer to ALL questions is: DON'T USE SYNTHOL...so doesn't matter if dissipates, require maintenance, migrate...etc.
Just DON'T DO IT...
Milos can you elaborate on side effect of site injections? Are there any parallels with Synthol (bad side effects)? thanks.
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I'm talking about usable studies. An HRT research using testosterone only at a dose of 200-400mg/week is hardly comparable to using 1000-2000mg + hGH and insulin at the same time.
For example; most of the earlier research conducted on steroids actually found that they did not lead to muscle growth! Of course the doses used were super low and the guys didn't even train. Now studies are starting to show that steroids indeed lead to muscle growth in healthy subjects, but the dose used, while higher than in the initial batch of studies, is still considered too low to be comparable to "pro/top amateur dose".
Same goes with other "supplements": lots of research on the products per se, but only using therapeutic doses and seldom used along with other "supplements".
Actually many studies don't even administer the AAS to the people. Many scientists just gather people already using,I.E. competive bodybuilders and then make sure they are using the same stuff at the same doses at the same times..ect..ect. Then they study them that way. Some redefine "AAS use" to "AAS abuse" and still there aren't any noticable side effects mentally or physically.
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Answer to ALL questions is: DON'T USE SYNTHOL...so doesn't matter if dissipates, require maintenance, migrate...etc.
Just DON'T DO IT...
I agree.
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That idiot with the blown up arms doesnt have an ounce of muscle on his body..
They'll probably blow up and fly off his body like Sponebob's Anchor Arms..
Yes, I watch Spongebob, sorry..
(http://www.gamerevolution.com/oldsite/games/ps2/puzzle/bombastic_arms.jpg)
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Milos...Your truthfulness is appreciated. You've made a big fan here. (I was already your fan, Guy).
Thanks for the kind words Mate! they are very much appreciated. Hope all is well for you!
Guy
www.grundydvd.com
www.fitnetusa.com
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Milos...Your truthfulness is appreciated. You've made a big fan here. (I was already your fan, Guy).
I second that. Here are two stand up guys that tell it how it is and speak honestly about their experiences.
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Now you guys tell us if you stayed on Steroids non-stop without cycling or if you cycled them.
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What happened to all the pro's ???
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Thanks for the kind words Mate! they are very much appreciated. Hope all is well for you!
Guy
www.grundydvd.com
www.fitnetusa.com
Guy, seven years on and your sites are down. Are you taking entrepreneur advices from Goodrum?
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When this thread started that mass murderer bush cheney was still running this insane asslyum.
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what ever happened to guy Grundy anyway?
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Heh, initially, reading back this thread - I'm thinking, why did I ask this question.
Then I properly read the quote in the first post.
Synthol creates "anabolic holes" ::)
Guy Grundy was good people on this board, I've often wondered where he is.
.. and a lot of people hang shit on Milos - but he was one of the very few guys who would be prepared to answer questions in the presence of teh "getbig noise".
That's what happened to all the pros.
Every single pro on this board, bar Shawn* succumbed to the getbig noise. Every single interaction they had - there's like 5 dudes posting weaksauce insults, trying to get a rise out of them.
*Shawn had a different way of dealing with the noise - he is the only pro who took it upon himself to actually moderate and around the start of that - he used to remove a lot of threads. He did calm down on that, after a while.
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What happened to all the pro's ???
Good question
A lot of pros post on MD..but it's very sanitized there
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what ever happened to guy Grundy anyway?
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Good question
A lot of pros post on MD..but it's very sanitized there
Get yourself into the majors and I guarantee you'll understand ;D
There is a decent percentage of people in this world who genuinely get a kick out of achieving any interaction they can with someone who has gained notoriety.
A pro would come here, be civil, introduce themselves and within like 20 minutes would have his first (weak) insult.
It happens everywhere. It would be the same on MD, if they allowed it to happen.
This place is only the thunderdome as far as pros go because it's one of the few places where the noise is allowed to be as loud as the genuine talk. Most places elsewhere use a hierarchical system that self moderates the bs away.
If you read twatter, it's the same shit, someone with lots of followers posts, if you actually read the replies to their twats you've got a mixture of people sucking their dick and other people (with essentially the same agenda, albeit a different approach) posting insults.
If I were a premier league football player, I'd fucking love away games. It's fucking hilarious to see the abuse they cop, the moment they get too close to the other supporters. I bet there's some brilliant stuff being laid on them.
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https://www.facebook.com/guy.grundy.7
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https://www.facebook.com/guy.grundy.7
Looks like a torn bicep or an injection gone wrong..
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Guy was done competing when he was here in 2006.
Good to see he is still alive - I thought maybe he had expired.
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Synthol WILL destroy muscle tissue...
It creates scar tissue that becomes fibrotic and/or necrotic tissue.
Fibrosis is known as proliferation of fibrous connective tissue...What is important to realize is: this is ABNORMAL condition as fibrotic tissue REPLACES normal smooth MUSCLE tissue!
Necrosis is even worst: this condition is characterized with DEATH of localized tissue! Due to injury (in this case local synthol injections) death occurs in groups of muscle cells in the muscle tissue where bodybuilder injects synthol.
As I made myself example before - I will do it again (even at coast to be primary target for my "biggest fans") - synthol truly destroyed my competitive career.
Muscle tissue where I injected synthol will simply not respond to any training stimulus anymore...
I hope that is enough to stop everyone of using it.
damn milos was one of the best posters here when he posted stuff like. He should come back but poeple here would probably just destroy it and troll him to leqve.
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Grundy's doing a ton of acting stuff and MMA training stuff.. stunt work, ect... and raising his daughter. he's doing well. glad he got 'out' of the bbing biz.
I didn't care for him when I was a young kid, but he's a pretty cool guy.
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Grundy's doing a ton of acting stuff and MMA training stuff.. stunt work, ect... and raising his daughter. he's doing well. glad he got 'out' of the bbing biz.
I didn't care for him when I was a young kid, but he's a pretty cool guy.
Yeah he looks normal now!
(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1455984_10152370635713761_365614516_n.jpg)
Check out the tattooed fella on the left lol
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1422450_10152329526638761_619868174_n.jpg)
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Check out the tattooed fella on the left lol
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1422450_10152329526638761_619868174_n.jpg)
That attention whore is/was a fashion designer.
When I see people with those giant, tribal ear-stretching things, I want to rip them out. Dunno why. Not a hostile bro usually.
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If you are referring to Tim Dax on the left he is not a fashion designer, he is an attention whore though.
He is an "actor". He was in that short film that all the muslims went ape shit about last year, the one that depicts mohammed as a paedophile (which he was)
https://www.facebook.com/timdax11
http://www.timdax.com/