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word from the dog is pride made arlovski an offer that tripples what ufc is paying him now .... after his contract expries we just may see him getting shitkicked by the heavies in pride, which would leave the UFC with hmmmmmmmmmm NOBODY ;D
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i do agree that aa would not beat fedor but hed give the rest of the pride hw,s a good fight win or lose imo,remember when everyone was saying ricco would get tooled by nog and imo ricco did damn well and alot of people including myself thought he edged nog out in that fight
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i thought ricco kicked nogs ass actually
arlovski is a big boy and it would be interesting to see how he does against aleks, nog, sergei, crocop(well ::)), hunt ....
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Does anyone know how much longer his UFC contract is?
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Does anyone know how much longer his UFC contract is?
i think this fight with Sylvia will be his last contract fight
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...an inside source confirms that after fighting Tim he will be done with UFC. I bet Dana & Lorenzo will figure out a better deal, there's no way they can leave the division open like that.
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...an inside source confirms that after fighting Tim he will be done with UFC. I bet Dana & Lorenzo will figure out a better deal, there's no way they can leave the division open like that.
They'll have to step up. The hvywt division is pretty dead w/o Arlovski...
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It'll be interesting to see how good Arlovski is... To date he has fought nobody all that stellar at heavyweight. Lets put him against an Aleks, or even that idiot Thompson (warmup fight) and see how good he is.
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thompson may look (and act) mentally retarded ... but i think he has actually brought up his game quite a bit ... hell get killed the moment he fights someone whose not a member of the freakshow, but at least hes trying
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i rather see arlovski staying with ufc as i prefer ufc over pride.
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Pride is so much better than UFC.
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word! .... but try convincing a TUF newb of this ;D
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huh i've been watching mma since day 1
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I don't see AA leaving UFC, right now he's gettin paid to fight nothing but cans, that's easy money. However, 3X as much as UFC offers is something to think about.
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i think youre assuming hes a pussy ... i bet andrei would like the opporitunity to fight the best (and get the bank to go with it)
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Andre had something that you rarely see during his last fight
Its as very hard attribute to quantify and it was a very short fight but it was obvious
Its when someone is peakinng as an athlete and really has that crazy mind musle speed
I have seen it only a couple other times(early Couture), was it pedro who won UFC at 19 the phenom saw it then but he has lost it. See it in Floyd Maywhether we he fights
If he shows up at that level I would bet him to beat anyone
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i think u mean he was fighting a "can" ;)
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what happens if aa wins retains title then goes to pride. how does ufc work out the next champ? does it go straight to #1 contender or is there a match between 1 & 2?
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the top 2 fighters challenge for it
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you get a "paper champion"
technically, like arlovski ;D
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word from the dog is pride made arlovski an offer that tripples what ufc is paying him now .... after his contract expries we just may see him getting shitkicked by the heavies in pride, which would leave the UFC with hmmmmmmmmmm NOBODY ;D
Silvia.
There are actually about 6 or 7 really awesome up and coming Heavyweights, but I can count their wins on one hand. They need more experience. But watching their first couple fights, they are REALLY impressive. So they just have to milk it for time for another year or so.
Problem is Arlovski won't be the big name he is now if he moves. But you gotta do what's right for you. And if he's about the money go for it. If it's because he doesn't have enough opponents, then I also agree to go for it.
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Silvia.
There are actually about 6 or 7 really awesome up and coming Heavyweights,
name them then and if you can count their wins on one hand where did you get the experience to call them awesome prospects ?
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and arlovski only stands to gain noteriety if he went to pride not lose......
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name them then and if you can count their wins on one hand where did you get the experience to call them awesome prospects ?
pssssssssst
shes an idiot!
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name them then and if you can count their wins on one hand where did you get the experience to call them awesome prospects ?
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and arlovski only stands to gain noteriety if he went to pride not lose......
The same place you get your experience. Watching the fights over and over and over again....
Paul Buentello is 20:9
Marcio Cruz is 2 and 0. He beat Frank Mir last month.
Justin Eilers 9-5-1
Rashad Evans is 8 and 0 with one fight in the UFC at the end of TUF 2 against Brad Imes another hopeful. He's got lots of heart and is highly underrated.
Brandon Lee Hinkle is 14-7
Brad Imes 5-1
Jeff Monson is 20-5 and lost a fight by decision to Liddell back at UFC 29. He'd be good if they let him fight more.
Frank Mir is 8 and 2....honestly I think he'd be better if he dropped to LHW but he's just too tall. He's beat Tank and Sylvia in previous fights.
Pedro Rizzo. 13-5. Has a win over Tra Telligman. Beat Arlovski 4 years ago.
Assuero Silva is the most experienced at 30-3.
I like Tra Telligman, but he's a perpetual red-shirt.
Brandon Vera 5-0 heavy hands and great flexibility for a powerful kick
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pssssssssst
shes an idiot!
At least I'm not a tard.
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The same place you get your experience. Watching the fights over and over and over again....
Paul Buentello is 20:9
Marcio Cruz is 2 and 0. He beat Frank Mir last month.
Justin Eilers 9-5-1
Rashad Evans is 8 and 0 with one fight in the UFC at the end of TUF 2 against Brad Imes another hopeful. He's got lots of heart and is highly underrated.
Brandon Lee Hinkle is 14-7
Brad Imes 5-1
Jeff Monson is 20-5 and lost a fight by decision to Liddell back at UFC 29. He'd be good if they let him fight more.
Frank Mir is 8 and 2....honestly I think he'd be better if he dropped to LHW but he's just too tall. He's beat Tank and Sylvia in previous fights.
Pedro Rizzo. 13-5. Has a win over Tra Telligman. Beat Arlovski 4 years ago.
Assuero Silva is the most experienced at 30-3.
I like Tra Telligman, but he's a perpetual red-shirt.
Brandon Vera 5-0 heavy hands and great flexibility for a powerful kick
this is your list of up and coming heavyweights?? .... are you sure youre not a tard ;D
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this is your list of up and coming heavyweights?? .... are you sure youre not a tard ;D
I went through the whole list of UFC HWs and that's all they had. Not my problem. They need to sign on more higher caliber fighters.
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rizzo and eilers ?
up and comers ?
and what happened to that "can count the wins on one hand" part of your scouting report ?
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I went through the whole list of UFC HWs and that's all they had. Not my problem. They need to sign on more higher caliber fighters.
jimmy's breaking nicole
this could get brutal !
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nicole .... do us all a favor
go here:
http://www.nokaut.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10
download all the fights (pay close attention to PRIDE) you can and dont post again till you've gotten "teh stupid" out of your system
>:(
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rizzo and eilers ?
up and comers ?
and what happened to that "can count the wins on one hand" part of your scouting report ?
Most of them had between 1 and 4 UFC fights.
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nicole .... do us all a favor
go here:
http://www.nokaut.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10
download all the fights (pay close attention to PRIDE) you can and dont post again till you've gotten "teh stupid" out of your system
>:(
Never claimed to be an expert. I just bring a different perspective. If you are so smart, then don't take my word for it. Simple as that.
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Most of them had between 1 and 4 UFC fights.
you're not real good with numbers are ya ?
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you're not real good with numbers are ya ?
I said I could count their wins on one hand. So.....then what?
If you don't like my list then YOU TELL ME would the next HW Champ should be other than Sylvia! Again, don't take my word for it Mr. PhD in MMA Smarty Pants....or is that Smarty Bananna Hammock.
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within UFC right now ?
@ 6'2" lidell has more than enough room on that frame to carry another 15-20 lbs and the big boys are only gonna be slower at heavy which give that stand up style of his even more of a chance to rule !
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I just bring a different perspective.
i guess stupid does count as "different" ;D
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within UFC right now ?
@ 6'2" lidell has more than enough room on that frame to carry another 15-20 lbs and the big boys are only gonna be slower at heavy which give that stand up style of his even more of a chance to rule !
That is a good point. Really it is. I don't think he'll do it though.
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ive said it before, Chuck isnt exactly a ripped 205 is he. He has a Gustavo gut in some fights so 15-20 extra lbs wont look too pretty on him. Tim Sylvia looked awesome on his last fight but hes not getting close to beating AA. Frank Mir was UFC's Golden Boy but hes been found out IMO, and he'll never be the same fighter again after his crash. The HW division is a shambles, they need to look anywhere they can to get the talent to raise the bar again. Pride dominates MMA, theres maybe 4 UFC fighters that would succeed in Pride and none would come close to Fedor
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ive said it before, Chuck isnt exactly a ripped 205 is he. He has a Gustavo gut in some fights so 15-20 extra lbs wont look too pretty on him. Tim Sylvia looked awesome on his last fight but hes not getting close to beating AA. Frank Mir was UFC's Golden Boy but hes been found out IMO, and he'll never be the same fighter again after his crash. The HW division is a shambles, they need to look anywhere they can to get the talent to raise the bar again. Pride dominates MMA, theres maybe 4 UFC fighters that would succeed in Pride and none would come close to Fedor
Can you recommend some particular Pride DVDs that I can rent to learn more about their fighters? I think Blockbuster online has a bunch of them, but I've just overlooked them. They have a bunch of Cage Fighter, Hook n' Shoot, etc.
Thanks
Nicole
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Can you recommend some particular Pride DVDs that I can rent to learn more about their fighters? I think Blockbuster online has a bunch of them, but I've just overlooked them. They have a bunch of Cage Fighter, Hook n' Shoot, etc.
Thanks
Nicole
fox sports net shows pride fights
check your local listings :)
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i guess stupid does count as "different" ;D
Just another typical assbag that likes to hear his own wind. Again, just my opinion. :o
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within UFC right now ?
@ 6'2" lidell has more than enough room on that frame to carry another 15-20 lbs and the big boys are only gonna be slower at heavy which give that stand up style of his even more of a chance to rule !
Chuck'll never do it. He (like a lot of MMA guys) come from that wrestling background where the goal is to get yourself in the lightest weight category possible. Hell, I'll bet Chuck and Rich Franklin don't weigh much different when not getting ready for a fight (I'd guess 220ish)...
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Although I find it troubling when chicks get off on brutal fighting, it's nice to have one around.
That is all...
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Although I find it troubling when chicks get off on brutal fighting, it's nice to have one around.
That is all...
Ever see the movie "Payback" with Lucy Liu?
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Ever see the movie "Payback" with Lucy Liu?
No, but she is one of the finest pieces of Asian ass in Hollywood...
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No, but she is one of the finest pieces of Asian ass in Hollywood...
Given the subject matter of our last few posts, go rent that movie this weekend. You'll like it. :P
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I think Arlovski will hold his own in pride and probable more people than you guys think, the pit bull is a baaaaaaaaad maaaaaaaaan!
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AA is on top of his game he would crush chuck ufc has the top fighters in the world mh rf cl aa and that kid from up north oh ya hg
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AA is on top of his game he would crush chuck ufc has the top fighters in the world mh rf cl aa and that kid from up north oh ya hg
That is laughable.
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nicole .... do us all a favor
go here:
http://www.nokaut.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10
download all the fights (pay close attention to PRIDE) you can and dont post again till you've gotten "teh stupid" out of your system
>:(
What's funny is that you think that any of the top PRIDE hw's would come to UFC. Are you stupid? They're having enough trouble holding onto Arlovski as it is. Maybe you should work the stupid out of your system.
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really shithead ... and when did i say i think that??
you're just as retarded as that old twat ... you dont happen to be her midget boyfriend do u ;D
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I said I could count their wins on one hand. So.....then what?
If you don't like my list then YOU TELL ME would the next HW Champ should be other than Sylvia!
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
HA HA HA HA!!!
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this match didnt show how good silvia is ... it just highlighted the fact arlovski has a weak chin, thus robbing their division of any "real" contenders :)
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this match didnt show how good silvia is ... it just highlighted the fact arlovski has a weak chin, thus robbing their division of any "real" contenders :)
I agree!!! What do you see in the heavyweights for the UFC SDM?
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SDM?? (edit ... i just got that)
... i think it will be hard to watch any ufc hw matches with enthusiasm ... thinking about the hw's in pride just makes them seem rather bush league
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no one in the ufc..arlovski included after this last match...would really make an interesting fight over in pride. :-\
it would be like throwing steaks to the lions.. :D
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Knowing Dana & Lorenzo, how do you think they will handle getting some good competition? What about Chuck moving up to HW and having two belts? ;D Based off of what I see, he has a good chance!
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arlovski just doesn't seem to use his power potential..he doesn't encite fear or awe into me or his opponents like he could! he could be faster, more agile, etc. he's not at the top of his game i think... :-\
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i think arlovski has good power and is a very good striker .... but apparently he cant take a shot
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yeah that's just the kinda guy i wanna see tossed to fedor or aleksander...
get him past jackson first if jackson stays then i'll get excited
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I can't see myself caring about another heavyweight UFC match in the near future. That Pe De Pano/Monson match showed neither of them are entertaining, or worth watching. Sylvia is a true heavyweight, but he's also akward and rather slow/deliberate. Why would Chuck move up to heavyweight? He's chubby at 205, and at least has a few semi-competitive fighters at that weight (Babalu etc..). Besides he's way too short for heavyweight, sylvia has a what? 10 inch reach advantage on Chuck, would be a stupid fight.
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I can't see myself caring about another heavyweight UFC match in the near future. That Pe De Pano/Monson match showed neither of them are entertaining, or worth watching. Sylvia is a true heavyweight, but he's also akward and rather slow/deliberate. Why would Chuck move up to heavyweight? He's chubby at 205, and at least has a few semi-competitive fighters at that weight (Babalu etc..). Besides he's way too short for heavyweight, sylvia has a what? 10 inch reach advantage on Chuck, would be a stupid fight.
You're right. I didn't think about the reach advantage and Chuck sure as hell wouldn't want to go to the ground with Tim. Not that I think Tim is superb on the ground but atleast better than Chuck.
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I thought arlovski was 6'3 and chuck 6'2
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I thought arlovski was 6'3 and chuck 6'2
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Tim Silvia=6'8"
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I can't see myself caring about another heavyweight UFC match in the near future. That Pe De Pano/Monson match showed neither of them are entertaining, or worth watching. Sylvia is a true heavyweight, but he's also akward and rather slow/deliberate. Why would Chuck move up to heavyweight? He's chubby at 205, and at least has a few semi-competitive fighters at that weight (Babalu etc..). Besides he's way too short for heavyweight, sylvia has a what? 10 inch reach advantage on Chuck, would be a stupid fight.
Pretty much summed up UFC's heavyweight situation...
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UFC=Great marketing with so so fighters
Pride= So So marketing with very good fighters
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Tim Silvia=6'8"
I know but if a 6'3 guy can compete as heavyweight why not 6'2?
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SDM?? (edit ... i just got that)
... i think it will be hard to watch any ufc hw matches with enthusiasm ... thinking about the hw's in pride just makes them seem rather bush league
Heavyweights in any fighting sport have never been "exciting" or high energy. I think the only exciting match I've ever seen was Roy Jones Jr. and Ruiz, but only because of the novelty of Jones going up in weight. Other than that it was a pretty slow and boring fight. They are just too darn big to be fast. It's the little guys scrambling around that bring excitement to any fighting sport.
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I know but if a 6'3 guy can compete as heavyweight why not 6'2?
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Chuck won't do it because he knows it will slow him down. And I don't think he'll be able to stand himself at that size. It's also a comfort thing. Chuck is listed as 6'1".
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Heavyweights in any fighting sport have never been "exciting" or high energy.
ufc heavyweights are not exciting or "high energy" but to say "in any fighting sport" just shows your ignorance
the point we've been trying to drill into that gord atop your shoulders is ufc heavies are second tier, the top heavies (guys like fedor, nog, mirko, hunt, aleks, werdune, karahatonov etc) are all in pride or sometimes k1 ... i thought arlovski was on that level and had his chin problems sorted out ... but im not so sure now ... and i cant think of anyone else in UFC who would be top 7 in pride, top 10 would be a crapshoot
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Yeah, that Mirko Fliponivic (sp) is a slow lumbering ox, he should get his fat ass on a diet ;D.
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ufc heavyweights are not exciting or "high energy" but to say "in any fighting sport" just shows your ignorance
the point we've been trying to drill into that gord atop your shoulders is ufc heavies are second tier, the top heavies (guys like fedor, nog, mirko, hunt, aleks, werdune, karahatonov etc) are all in pride or sometimes k1 ... i thought arlovski was on that level and had his chin problems sorted out ... but im not so sure now ... and i cant think of anyone else in UFC who would be top 7 in pride, top 10 would be a crapshoot
How does one get a "weak chin" sorted ut?
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The thing you have to remember is that a great deal of UFC fans (who are clearly not as bright as this forum ;D) aren't aware of Pride or any other organization than the UFC. Ask most people if they know anything about MMA; 90% of them will ask if you're talking about "that ultimate fighting."
And they think Fedor is a fucking hat :'(
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ufc heavyweights are not exciting or "high energy" but to say "in any fighting sport" just shows your ignorance
the point we've been trying to drill into that gord atop your shoulders is ufc heavies are second tier, the top heavies (guys like fedor, nog, mirko, hunt, aleks, werdune, karahatonov etc) are all in pride or sometimes k1 ... i thought arlovski was on that level and had his chin problems sorted out ... but im not so sure now ... and i cant think of anyone else in UFC who would be top 7 in pride, top 10 would be a crapshoot
Okay, so we get it already that you are a pride fan. Doesn't make it gospel nor any bigger or better than any other organization. That's all perception, and especially that of the athletes. But I stand by my opinion that heavies are slow.
And by "anyone else in UFC" you mean any heavyweights in the UFC right? Becuase there's a handful of LHW on down who are just literally at the top of the game.
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The thing you have to remember is that a great deal of UFC fans (who are clearly not as bright as this forum ;D) aren't aware of Pride or any other organization than the UFC. Ask most people if they know anything about MMA; 90% of them will ask if you're talking about "that ultimate fighting."
Because no other organization has the money to pay their fighters what they are worth let alone bring it to the masses. Guys shouldn't have to get their teeth knocked out for pennies. Then it becomes a cost burden instead of a profit. The doctors bills far outweight what you'll ever win. At least in XFO you can put up $2,500 and get $5,000 if you win. Oh snap, did I mention another organization besides UFC and any others mentioned in this thread? And I'm a chick? Whoa.....what a rush.
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And by "anyone else in UFC" you mean any heavyweights in the UFC right? Becuase there's a handful of LHW on down who are just literally at the top of the game.
other then lidell, can you list these other light heavyweights from the ufc that are at the "top of the game"?
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Okay, so we get it already that you are a pride fan. Doesn't make it gospel nor any bigger or better than any other organization. That's all perception, and especially that of the athletes. But I stand by my opinion that heavies are slow.
And by "anyone else in UFC" you mean any heavyweights in the UFC right? Becuase there's a handful of LHW on down who are just literally at the top of the game.
u still dont get it ... pride is bigger and better than any other ogranization(save k1) ... and their heavyweights are another class of athlete compared to the UFC heavies
as i said originally, youre making yourself look like a retard by not letting this point sink in
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Pride isn't marketed as well as the UFC is, K-1 is mostly in Japan... It would be cool to see Arlovski go against Cro cop though ;)
either way MMA is really getting a ton of attention thanks to UFC and TUF, regardless of the UFC's success all the other feds are going to benefit from this as people start researching MMA online and finding out about Pride, K-1, king of the cage, etc. etc.
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Knowing Dana & Lorenzo, how do you think they will handle getting some good competition? What about Chuck moving up to HW and having two belts? ;D Based off of what I see, he has a good chance!
he does, but he won't do it.
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other then lidell, can you list these other light heavyweights from the ufc that are at the "top of the game"?
LHW - Tito, Vitor, nix on Couture due to retirement
MW - Rich Franklin (pending recovery of a smashed hand), Loiseau
WW - Hughes, George St. Pierre, and ofcourse Royce "this is my house, I built it" Gracie
I'm sure I missed someone in there....
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THE BITCH IS BACK!!!
good to see you again cutie ;) ;D
and i'd scratch vitor if i were you...way too many variables in that choice and tito is a maybe if he'd quit puss'n out and show up for a fight.
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THE BITCH IS BACK!!!
good to see you again cutie ;) ;D
and i'd scratch vitor if i were you...way too many variables in that choice and tito is a maybe if he'd quit puss'n out and show up for a fight.
You say "bitch" like it's a bad thing. ;)
I'll still put Vitor in there since Randy is retiring. And Tito shows up, you can't mistake that because you hear his mouth running from a mile away. But he needs to work on the one thing all the MMA "experts" around here claim is his strong suit and that's his CAR-DI-O! Bitch needs to get his weak ass back on the treadmill and start doing some sprints.
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again...vitor why? it's almost his time to clock out as well..cardio or not...he's no rich franklin and apparelty feels like his training is up to par no matter what people say to his corn row'd ass....
and when has it ever been? ;)
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LHW - Tito, Vitor, nix on Couture due to retirement
MW - Rich Franklin (pending recovery of a smashed hand), Loiseau
WW - Hughes, George St. Pierre, and ofcourse Royce "this is my house, I built it" Gracie
I'm sure I missed someone in there....
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Finally, another woman that can speak UFC/MMA.