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Seemed to work the shoulders & back nicely. I will use it in the future; not as a thigh builder per se... but it was a good warm up exercise. It forced me to concentrate on form. So it got my mind ready for barbell back squats.
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Great to hear.
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Great to hear.
HaHa.... I'm waiting for coach's response ;D
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Congrats, broskie.
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Sounds like a good exercise...if you overhead squat at least 650 lbs for no less than 25 reps like most GetBiggers.
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Congrats, broskie.
I'm a bad ass.
I purchased this wallet today.
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Seemed to work the shoulders & back nicely. I will use it in the future; not as a thigh builder per se... but it was a good warm up exercise. It forced me to concentrate on form. So it got my mind ready for barbell back squats.
Did you shit yourself ?
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Did you shit yourself ?
My natural test level went through the roof
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My natural test level went through the roof
Ah, so you got a boner and came on yourself. That sucks.
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HaHa.... I'm waiting for coach's response ;D
https://instagram.com/p/vCvQ81G1-f/
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I have never gotten results from these. I much prefer front squats.
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https://instagram.com/p/vCvQ81G1-f/
not good form
Forward head posture, lack of external rotation in shoulders, butt wink, breathing looks messed up
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not good form
Forward head posture, lack of external rotation in shoulders, butt wink, breathing looks messed up
lol.....everyone's an "expert"
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not good form
Forward head posture, lack of external rotation in shoulders, butt wink, breathing looks messed up
What the hell is a "butt wink?"
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It's an exercise I really have difficulty doing properly. Trying to improve shoulder and ankle mobility and hoping that helps.
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It's an exercise I really have difficulty doing properly. Trying to improve shoulder and ankle mobility and hoping that helps.
That's why I stated it exposes weaknesses.
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lol.....everyone's an "expert"
coach please ::)
The very first rep u can see her head poke forward
There's no tension holding the bar-the bar is just supported by the joints
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What the hell is a "butt wink?"
What happens when your boyfriend pulls out.
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coach please ::)
The very first rep u can see her head poke forward
There's no tension holding the bar-the bar is just supported by the joints
Quit trolling. It's annoying. Better yet, throw a quick video together and show us.
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This one helped get me stretching a little more but there's a long way to go.
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What happens when your boyfriend pulls out.
Ahh, thanks. I was looking for the term!
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What happens when your boyfriend pulls out.
Could be part of the new Kaitlyn Jenner "cross-Gender-fit" routines.
The clean and jerk may be something to see in that gym :o
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My horrid shoulder flexibility prevents me from doing this....can't even do the bar without it pitching forward. I'm a year from my last surgery so I should improve this.
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Quit trolling. It's annoying. Better yet, throw a quick video together and show us.
not trolling
I'm not attacking your business ::)
So you are telling me you don't see the head poke forward?
There is a 6'2 monster that works out at my gym that does an amazing deep overhead squat with almost 225
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not trolling
I'm not attacking your business ::)
So you are telling me you don't see the head poke forward?
There is a 6'2 monster that works out at my gym that does an amazing deep overhead squat with almost 225
Do you understand the teaching method to an OH head squat, snatch balance and bar placement when it comes to the external rotation of the shoulders? The teaching starts with behind the neck press with the bar or PVC over the shoulder, hip and ankle with eyes in the neutral position. That video shows EXACTLY that. The load is directly balanced over those joints. As long as there is enough thoracic mobility and the load isn't shifting forward "butt wink" is irrelevant. Using the term "butt wink" is que term used when teaching the progression. What you see in that video is damn near textbook.
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Do you understand the teaching method to an OH head squat, snatch balance and bar placement when it comes to the external rotation of the shoulders? The teaching starts with behind the neck press with the bar or PVC over the shoulder, hip and ankle with eyes in the neutral position. That video shows EXACTLY that. The load is directly balanced over those joints. As long as there is enough thoracic mobility and the load isn't shifting forward "butt wink" is irrelevant. Using the term "butt wink" is que term used when teaching the progression. What you see in that video is damn near textbook.
Why can't you use such *above* acumen re:politics? :-\
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Why can't you use such *above* acumen re:politics? :-\
Because politics is mostly commonsense. Training is more technical.
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Because politics is mostly commonsense emotional. Training is more technical.
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Only emotional if you're a liberal. They vote based on nothing else..Lol
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Only emotional if you're a liberal. They vote based on nothing else..Lol
Yeah. Funny. Not. This stuff is why you get so much Getbig hate.
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Yeah. Funny. Not. This stuff is why you get so much Getbig hate.
But it's mostly true. They rarely win on policy. They win by promising free everything to young, influenced college kids and oppressed mostly lazy people that think they're entitled. You don't have to tell me why I get so much hate. I know this. I've known this for years. I get hate because people hate hearing the truth.
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But it's mostly true. They rarely win on policy. They win by promising free everything to young, influenced college kids and oppressed mostly lazy people that think they're entitled. You don't have to tell me why I get so much hate. I know this. I've known this for years. I get hate because people hate hearing the truth.
Actually, no. Do you really comprehend how much your world view is informed/shaped by the internet? I bet it is %100. Can you even comprehend such a figure and what that means!?
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I don't have the flexibility to perform this exercise.
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But it's mostly true. They rarely win on policy. They win by promising free everything to young, influenced college kids and oppressed mostly lazy people that think they're entitled. You don't have to tell me why I get so much hate. I know this. I've known this for years. I get hate because people hate hearing the truth.
I don't hate you.
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I don't hate you.
'Dislike' is the word you looking for.
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Useless homo exercise. Hope this helps.
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lol.....everyone's an "expert"
Yes, everyone, but you. Here you go:
Compared to this dude whose technic is correct, the idiot on your video looks like a handicapped moron. Hope this helps..
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Sorry, lads. My bad. Had a couple of wines; Coach came by, and was Coach. Apologies.
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Useless homo exercise. Hope this helps.
Yes, completely useless. Swiss ball, kettle weights, crossfit, etc... all part of the same absurd mentality.
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Do you understand the teaching method to an OH head squat, snatch balance and bar placement when it comes to the external rotation of the shoulders? The teaching starts with behind the neck press with the bar or PVC over the shoulder, hip and ankle with eyes in the neutral position. That video shows EXACTLY that. The load is directly balanced over those joints. As long as there is enough thoracic mobility and the load isn't shifting forward "butt wink" is irrelevant. Using the term "butt wink" is que term used when teaching the progression. What you see in that video is damn near textbook.
coach, you can see the knees get loaded before the hips. The knees move forward then the hips. The heels are coming off the ground. The elbows are bent-compensating to allow the overhead position-the head pokes forward 1st rep, the chest moved forward to allow for balance overhead
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What the hell is a "butt wink?"
When you have 25 years of squatting wrong to unlearn, you hear a lot of terms like "buttwink". It's essentially when you squat lower than your hip mobility allows and your entire hip structure has to undergo posterior tilt to compensate. This puts the entire lower lumbar under sheer stress. It's actually pretty easy to diagnose in lifters without using weight. Just have them go ATG and watch the hips to see if they rotate.
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Sorry, lads. My bad. Had a couple of wines; Coach came by, and was Coach. Apologies.
Joe is our resident textbook example of the Dunning–Kruger effect
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Joe is our resident textbook example of the Dunning–Kruger effect
This site has many textbook examples.
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Yes, completely useless. Swiss ball, kettle weights, crossfit, etc... all part of the same absurd mentality.
Yep, all used to justify lifting less weight. Hence zero progress usually.
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This site has many textbook examples.
true
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Yes, everyone, but you. Here you go:
Compared to this dude whose technic is correct, the idiot on your video looks like a handicapped moron. Hope this helps..
Lol....stop troll, you're killing me. What the fuck is "technic"? You wouldn't know the difference if it were incorrect anyway.
Gene, still waiting for your tutorial video.
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I'm a bad ass.
I purchased this wallet today.
Only if it has an authentic "Billy Bad-Ass Biker Chain" to keep it safe and sound. ;D If so, then yeah.
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Yes, everyone, but you. Here you go:
Compared to this dude whose technic is correct, the idiot on your video looks like a handicapped moron. Hope this helps..
Do you understand the teaching method to an OH head squat, snatch balance and bar placement when it comes to the external rotation of the shoulders? The teaching starts with behind the neck press with the bar or PVC over the shoulder, hip and ankle with eyes in the neutral position. That video shows EXACTLY that. The load is directly balanced over those joints. As long as there is enough thoracic mobility and the load isn't shifting forward "butt wink" is irrelevant. Using the term "butt wink" is que term used when teaching the progression. What you see in that video is damn near textbook.
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Lol....stop troll, you're killing me. What the fuck is "technic"? You wouldn't know the difference if it were incorrect anyway.
Gene, still waiting for your tutorial video.
sure coach I'll make sure to get that video to you asap this week. Do u want me to do them on a hover board or no?
nice job ignoring the points in my post as well
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sure coach I'll make sure to get that video to you asap this week. Do u want me to do them on a hover board or no?
nice job ignoring the points in my post as well
Nice job ignoring the points that I made in the last post
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But it's mostly true. They rarely win on policy. They win by promising free everything to young, influenced college kids and oppressed mostly lazy people that think they're entitled. You don't have to tell me why I get so much hate. I know this. I've known this for years. I get hate because people hate hearing the truth.
Coach loved the video demo and I don't care for politics but when you say stuff like the above you sound foolish.
You think the young/college aged and lazy make up enough of the vote to swing the election? Do you know the turnout percentages of these voters?
The vast MAJORITY of voting America works, they aren't looking for handouts. Of course there are others that do want everything free, but they aren't the ones who show up to political rally's with signs.
The popularity vote is almost always spilt, if it was as simple as persuading one group collectively elections would be simple.
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Do you understand the teaching method to an OH head squat, snatch balance and bar placement when it comes to the external rotation of the shoulders? The teaching starts with behind the neck press with the bar or PVC over the shoulder, hip and ankle with eyes in the neutral position. That video shows EXACTLY that. The load is directly balanced over those joints. As long as there is enough thoracic mobility and the load isn't shifting forward "butt wink" is irrelevant. Using the term "butt wink" is que term used when teaching the progression. What you see in that video is damn near textbook.
the elbows were bent in the video
Bent elbows is a compensation for the shoulder position
Torso tips forward is a compensation for getting in the overhead position
The heels come off the floor
The head pokes forward
It is damn near textbook of common faults in the overhead squat
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the elbows were bent in the video
Bent elbows is a compensation for the shoulder position
Torso tips forward is a compensation for getting in the overhead position
The heels come off the floor
The head pokes forward
It is damn near textbook of common faults in the overhead squat
His elbows are bent quite clearly.
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the elbows were bent in the video
Bent elbows is a compensation for the shoulder position
Torso tips forward is a compensation for getting in the overhead position
The heels come off the floor
The head pokes forward
It is damn near textbook of common faults in the overhead squat
100% lock out does not mean a compensation for shoulder position. If it did his external rotation couldn't be in that position. But as it were, his elbows are locked as much as his elbows allow.
Ever do a behind the neck press? Tell me where the bar path is at the top of the movement? Heels are not off the floor. If they were it would be an indication of the load shifting forward. Clearly it's not.
If you think those are "common" mistakes of the overhead press then you need to do some extensive research on O-lifts for athletes.....not Olympic lifters.
Common mistakes...
Anterior pelvic tilt causing the load to shift and the HEELS to come off the ground.
Lack of external rotation in the shoulders causing the head to NOT "poke" through. If the bar were directly over the top of the head there would be little if any thoracic mobility. Also, the lack of external rotation would indicate lack of scap and thoracic mobility and again, causing the load to shift forward. Ever attempt an OH squat and have your mid back cramp up while in full overhead extension?
Lack of dorsi-flexion in the ankles.
Hip disfunction
Vulgum
Feet that pronate or supinate
Head NOT being through the bar
Squat depth
THOSE above are the COMMON mistakes.
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Ok coach believe what u want to want to believe
Yes your athlete is amazing
At 2 seconds in u can see the heels come off the floor
I'll go by what Kelly starret has taught me any day in person over you100% lock out does not mean a compensation for shoulder position. If it did his external rotation couldn't be in that position. But as it were, his elbows are locked as much as his elbows allow.
Ever do a behind the neck press? Tell me where the bar path is at the top of the movement? Heels are not off the floor. If they were it would be an indication of the load shifting forward. Clearly it's not.
If you think those are "common" mistakes of the overhead press then you need to do some extensive research on O-lifts for athletes.....not Olympic lifters.
Common mistakes...
Anterior pelvic tilt causing the load to shift and the HEELS to come off the ground.
Lack of external rotation in the shoulders causing the head to NOT "poke" through. If the bar were directly over the top of the head there would be little if any thoracic mobility. Also, the lack of external rotation would indicate lack of scap and thoracic mobility and again, causing the load to shift forward. Ever attempt an OH squat and have your mid back cramp up while in full overhead extension?
Lack of dorsi-flexion in the ankles.
Hip disfunction
Vulgum
Feet that pronate or supinate
Head NOT being through the bar
Squat depth
THOSE above are the COMMON mistakes.
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Ok coach believe what u want to want to believe
Yes your athlete is amazing
At 2 seconds in u can see the heels come off the floor
I'll go by what Kelly starret has taught me any day over you
I'll go one better when Dimitri Kolkov gave a seminar at my facility. This was last year. About 6 years after spending a week in Colorado Springs learning this crap for 6-8hrs per day and teaching it ever since. Starett is good as well.
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I'll go one better when Dimitri Kolkov gave a seminar at my facility. This was last year. About 6 years after spending a week in Colorado Springs learning this crap for 6-8hrs per day and teaching it ever since. Starett is good as well.
I seriously doubt you learned anything
how many times have you been taught how to embed a YouTube video on this board and still the mystery eludes you
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I'll go one better when Dimitri Kolkov gave a seminar at my facility. This was last year. About 6 years after spending a week in Colorado Springs learning this crap for 6-8hrs per day and teaching it ever since. Starett is good as well.
Selling ripped off cookie cutter programs to the gullible and children. You're a hero.
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Selling ripped off cookie cutter programs to the gullible and children. You're a hero.
And you're a homo
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And you're a homo
Yeah, and when we meet you will be blowing your rape whistle.
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Yes, completely useless. Swiss ball, kettle weights, , etc... all part of the same absurd mentality.
Not useless at all.
Both are very good pieces of equipment for conditioning and strength.
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Yeah, and when we meet you will be blowing your rape whistle.
We'll never meet. You don't have the balls. We could be standing right next to each other and you wouldn't have the balls to say who you actually are.
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We'll never meet. You don't have the balls. We could be standing right next to each other and you wouldn't have the balls to say who you actually are.
ive been asking u for years to come out to ct to train me
I'd pay for plane
Put u up in hotel
Or I come to u
For YEARS I've been asking
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I'm saying having elbows bent is the athlete compensating for shoulder issues
100% lock out does not mean a compensation for shoulder position. If it did his external rotation couldn't be in that position. But as it were, his elbows are locked as much as his elbows allow.
Ever do a behind the neck press? Tell me where the bar path is at the top of the movement? Heels are not off the floor. If they were it would be an indication of the load shifting forward. Clearly it's not.
If you think those are "common" mistakes of the overhead press then you need to do some extensive research on O-lifts for athletes.....not Olympic lifters.
Common mistakes...
Anterior pelvic tilt causing the load to shift and the HEELS to come off the ground.
Lack of external rotation in the shoulders causing the head to NOT "poke" through. If the bar were directly over the top of the head there would be little if any thoracic mobility. Also, the lack of external rotation would indicate lack of scap and thoracic mobility and again, causing the load to shift forward. Ever attempt an OH squat and have your mid back cramp up while in full overhead extension?
Lack of dorsi-flexion in the ankles.
Hip disfunction
Vulgum
Feet that pronate or supinate
Head NOT being through the bar
Squat depth
THOSE above are the COMMON mistakes.
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ive been asking u for years to come out to ct to train me
I'd pay for plane
Put u up in hotel
Or I come to u
For YEARS I've been asking
Come on out Gene, I'll go with you!
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kelly starett pisses me off more than any other 'fitness expert'
not saying he's wrong but man if ever i had to punch someone in the face...
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the elbows were bent in the video
Bent elbows is a compensation for the shoulder position
Torso tips forward is a compensation for getting in the overhead position
The heels come off the floor
The head pokes forward
It is damn near textbook of common faults in the overhead squat
You forgot the buttwink..
And the main problem is this: Average people find these exercises and try them without anything like knowledge how to do it right, but technique like this is just too demanding to average gym rat. The errors of his techniques are clear; her posture is not stable, because at the bottom of the squat his lower back is rounded, probably as the gluteus and the hamstrings are too tight. Why you shouldn't squat with the rounded lower back? Do I have to tell it? Most of the spinal disc herniation comes from this kind of errors, and that isn't nice thing to do to some guy who is paying you as his PT. It is obvious that real coach should know this, but for some getbig clown this could be unknown mystery: If your squat has the buttwink, don't squat until you can do it properly ;D
This exercise comes from the Olympic weightlifting, and those guys uses the weightlifting shoes, which has some heel, so your stand is different. These gym rats try to do the same with the flat running shoes = buttwink = with heavy loads = a spinal hernia = the unsymmetrical pain at the lower back = most common back injury at the gym.
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ive been asking u for years to come out to ct to train me
I'd pay for plane
Put u up in hotel
Or I come to u
For YEARS I've been asking
I hate when people don't come through when you want to workout with them!
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You forgot the buttwink..
And the main problem is this: Average people find these exercises and try them without anything like knowledge how to do it right, but technique like this is just too demanding to average gym rat. The errors of his techniques are clear; her posture is not stable, because at the bottom of the squat his lower back is rounded, probably as the gluteus and the hamstrings are too tight. Why you shouldn't squat with the rounded lower back? Do I have to tell it? Most of the spinal disc herniation comes from this kind of errors, and that isn't nice thing to do to some guy who is paying you as his PT. It is obvious that real coach should know this, but for some getbig clown this could be unknown mystery: If your squat has the buttwink, don't squat until you can do it properly ;D
This exercise comes from the Olympic weightlifting, and those guys uses the weightlifting shoes, which has some heel, so your stand is different. These gym rats try to do the same with the flat running shoes = buttwink = with heavy loads = a spinal hernia = the unsymmetrical pain at the lower back = most common back injury at the gym.
I think the most frustrating part of this thread is arguing with people that just chime in just to argue. You're one of them. Not once did you or COULD you address my post but rather just make an attempt to pick it apart as if you really know what the fuck you're talking about. Unless you teach this day in and day out and have a little something to back it up, out of all sincerity stay out of it.
But you would rather attack me rather than play off of someone else's post. You want to talk about this or do you want to have a civil debate about this? Just the fact you mentioned "average gym rat" "her" "rounded lower back" "buttwink" and expecting them to use $150 weight lifting shoes is a mind blower in itself. And BTW, where in any part of my posts did I say we use heavy loads on this? Where did I say that these were competitive Olympic weight lifters? You're clearly clueless.
And all due respect to Gene, I like him and I do think he's pretty well read when it comes to training but one lesson with Kelly Starett or anyone isn't the be all to end all. I can quote the USAW Manuel all day long and you won't see "buttwink" "stick your butt out" or any cue like that. There isn't just one way to teach, there are many that end with similar results not one worse than another.
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Yes, everyone, but you. Here you go:
Compared to this dude whose technic is correct, the idiot on your video looks like a handicapped moron. Hope this helps..
you're comparing the oh squat of a 14 year old kid to Chris fucking Spealler. seriously??
the 14 year old kid's form is perfectly acceptable. is it perfect? no. why? because the kid is 14 fucking god damn years fucking old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can he improve it and make it better? yes? you walk into 100 high schools and pick out some of their best athletes. now have them perform an overhead squat with an empty bar. they will all be for shit. this kid is way ahead of the game for a kid his age. and you're comparing him to Chris Spealler. You're a fuckin idiot.
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I have a mid 5's squat and a 95lb ohsquat still kills me.
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I have a mid 5's squat and a 95lb ohsquat still kills me.
;D
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I think the most frustrating part of this thread is arguing with people that just chime in just to argue. You're one of them. Not once did you or COULD you address my post but rather just make an attempt to pick it apart as if you really know what the fuck you're talking about. Unless you teach this day in and day out and have a little something to back it up, out of all sincerity stay out of it.
But you would rather attack me rather than play off of someone else's post. You want to talk about this or do you want to have a civil debate about this? Just the fact you mentioned "average gym rat" "her" "rounded lower back" "buttwink" and expecting them to use $150 weight lifting shoes is a mind blower in itself. And BTW, where in any part of my posts did I say we use heavy loads on this? Where did I say that these were competitive Olympic weight lifters? You're clearly clueless.
And all due respect to Gene, I like him and I do think he's pretty well read when it comes to training but one lesson with Kelly Starett or anyone isn't the be all to end all. I can quote the USAW Manuel all day long and you won't see "buttwink" "stick your butt out" or any cue like that. There isn't just one way to teach, there are many that end with similar results not one worse than another.
Buttwink to butthurt ? Life is tough for an idiots..
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It's a challenging exercise for me. I'm not an expert and couldn't guess how much muscle it builds or to what extent better balance and core strength improves the traditional squat.
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;D
can get to about 185 with a belt and oly shoes. ankles no bueno
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It's a challenging exercise for me. I'm not an expert and couldn't guess how much muscle it builds or to what extent better balance and core strength improves the traditional squat.
We do it more for hip dysfunction (flexibility) more than anything. For those that have trouble we'll stick with PVC pipe, elevated heels w/5-10lbs plates, ankle flossing for dorsi-flexion, etc
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We'll never meet. You don't have the balls. We could be standing right next to each other and you wouldn't have the balls to say who you actually are.
Think you mean standing over you, ball sniffer.
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I've doing a lot of under gluten squats lately. Talk about a deep burn.