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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: drkaje on January 30, 2016, 06:22:46 AM
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If they're equally qualified, should citizenship be a factor?
The conversation is happening on another website and I'm curious what people here think.
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In the US? Of course. Why is this even a valid debate?
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Yes, if for no other reason than a citizen is less likely to disappear when his visa expires.
The argument is meaningless tho. No two applicants are so equal that this becomes the only deciding factor. For example, the foreigner probably got a more well rounded education since the American public school system is for shit. Of course, the American's lunch won't make the place smell funny and lead to lost productivity while arguments ensue, yet the non-citizen will probably do the work of 3 fat, lazy citizens despite leaving footprints on the toilet seat cuz that's how they poop from there. There are many factors.
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European minority groups, like me, should be given a Huge(in bodybuilding terms) advantage relative to their welfare resume when applying for a high payed job inside the US.
America needs "change" more than ever :D
Kidding aside - any sane mind makes use of what's already abundant, so the answer should be obvious.
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European minority groups, like me, should be given a Huge(in bodybuilding terms) advantage relative to their welfare resume when applying for a high payed job inside the US.
America needs "change" more than ever :D
Kidding aside - any sane mind makes use of what's already abundant, so the answer should be obvious.
Wetbacks. Got it.
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If they're equally qualified, should citizenship be a factor?
The conversation is happening on another website and I'm curious what people here think.
It all depends on who the hiring managers feel would be the best fit for the company. Qualifications are just a piece of the puzzle.
So I would say that it should be on a case by case basis. I am all for a foreigner getting a job over an American, if they can beat them fair and square during the hiring process.
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It all depends on who the hiring managers feel would be the best fit for the company. Qualifications are just a piece of the puzzle.
So I would say that it should be on a case by case basis. I am all for a foreigner getting a job over an American, if they can beat them fair and square during the hiring process.
Aren't you that guy that sucks dicks from that other thread?
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Why don't you just go ahead and link us to the thread on the other website so we can head on over to enlighten them? :)
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citizens should always come first.
There should be no debate about that
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If they're equally qualified, should citizenship be a factor?
The conversation is happening on another website and I'm curious what people here think.
Of course not. No big company is going to limit their pool of employees based on citizenship.
This only hurts them, and the US.
Hell we scooped up albert einstein from Germany, and tesla from Croatia.
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Citizenship for government jobs can be a factor if the job is related to democracy and self government. Jobs like teaching, police, jury duty, etc.
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citizens should always come first.
There should be no debate about that
There's something to be said for the benefits of a diverse workforce.
Of course, this can't just be a one-way street....Europe, for example, seems to hold on to their work visas like their balls
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I'd say generally yes, but qualification should also be taken into account.
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In the US? Of course. Why is this even a valid debate?
Yes, very sad that we have these traitorous people who would even put it up for question (not you, drkaje, but some of the dipshits in this thread).
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Yes, very sad that we have these traitorous people who would even put it up for question (not you, drkaje, but some of the dipshits in this thread).
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Yes, very sad that we have these traitorous people who would even put it up for question (not you, drkaje, but some of the dipshits in this thread).
Did you just call me dipshit?
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Why don't you just go ahead and link us to the thread on the other website so we can head on over to enlighten them? :)
Lol, I've got my pitchfork and torch.
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Why don't you just go ahead and link us to the thread on the other website so we can head on over to enlighten them? :)
I appreciate the offer but they'd just see it as American entitlement, LOL!
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Slightly at a tangent, but is affirmative action / quota filling encouraged in private US based companies?
My company is opening in the US and based on our current demographic we're not too PC. Approx 100 staff, zero blacks, and 7 women.
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depends. do they even lift?
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Slightly at a tangent, but is affirmative action / quota filling encouraged in private US based companies?
My company is opening in the US and based on our current demographic we're not too PC. Approx 100 staff, zero blacks, and 7 women.
It depends upon whether or not the company has specific goals or want to reach a new demographic. Regardless of qualifications, people will assume the only black guy is there due to affirmative action. Black lesbians (with advanced degrees) probably turn down job offers on a daily basis, LOL!
I was asking about a taxpayer-funded situation, though.
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Slightly at a tangent, but is affirmative action / quota filling encouraged in private US based companies?
My company is opening in the US and based on our current demographic we're not too PC. Approx 100 staff, zero blacks, and 7 women.
drkaje is right on target with the "goals"
But encouraged? No, unless you want a lazy ass workforce that knows that they can file suit for discrimination since they know you fear such lawsuits and have put a plan in place.
Quota filling is reverse discrimination and will lead a paper trail for future lawsuits.
No blacks? Depends on what market you work in and educational level you need. Also, are there really that many blacks where you live? Likely not discrimination just because you have no blacks jobs are given based on merit not the color of skin.
Taxpayer funded situations depend on whether your business takes over a public function that is normally reserved for government (prison) or how intertwined the government's actions are to a point in which the government affirms your company's actions. It takes a lot.
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drkaje is right on target with the "goals"
But encouraged? No, unless you want a lazy ass workforce that knows that they can file suit for discrimination since they know you fear such lawsuits and have put a plan in place.
Quota filling is reverse discrimination and will lead a paper trail for future lawsuits.
No blacks? Depends on what market you work in and educational level you need. Also, are there really that many blacks where you live? Likely not discrimination just because you have no blacks jobs are given based on merit not the color of skin.
Taxpayer funded situations depend on whether your business takes over a public function that is normally reserved for government (prison) or how intertwined the government's actions are to a point in which the government affirms your company's actions. It takes a lot.
It also depends upon the area. Anyplace too rural and education doesn't really figure into people's minds. The assume it's affirmative action or think the search should have continued until finding someone white.
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While we're playing goofy hypothetical:
So what if an employer is perfectly willing to hire a minority but he knows he'll lose customers because he's the only non-bigot in Bigotville. Is he guilty of discrimination if he doesn't hire the minority who will cause the business to fail because all the customers are bigots?
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Did you just call me dipshit?
Looks like it was several people I called that.
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While we're playing goofy hypothetical:
So what if an employer is perfectly willing to hire a minority but he knows he'll lose customers because he's the only non-bigot in Bigotville. Is he guilty of discrimination if he doesn't hire the minority who will cause the business to fail because all the customers are bigots?
A minority isn't necessarily a non-citizen, but interesting question anyway.
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Looks like it was several people I called that.
LOL
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LOL
;D
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While we're playing goofy hypothetical:
So what if an employer is perfectly willing to hire a minority but he knows he'll lose customers because he's the only non-bigot in Bigotville. Is he guilty of discrimination if he doesn't hire the minority who will cause the business to fail because all the customers are bigots?
He should hire a bigot.
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drkaje is right on target with the "goals"
But encouraged? No, unless you want a lazy ass workforce that knows that they can file suit for discrimination since they know you fear such lawsuits and have put a plan in place.
Quota filling is reverse discrimination and will lead a paper trail for future lawsuits.
No blacks? Depends on what market you work in and educational level you need. Also, are there really that many blacks where you live? Likely not discrimination just because you have no blacks jobs are given based on merit not the color of skin.
Taxpayer funded situations depend on whether your business takes over a public function that is normally reserved for government (prison) or how intertwined the government's actions are to a point in which the government affirms your company's actions. It takes a lot.
Lots of blacks in some places that we operate, but the application procedure is very rigorous and they don't seem to want to put the effort in to respond to case studies and rounds of interviews. We just don't see them.
But we'll be in LA within 12 months and the minefield of US political correctness does worry me.
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Lots of blacks in some places that we operate, but the application procedure is very rigorous and they don't seem to want to put the effort in to respond to case studies and rounds of interviews. We just don't see them.
But we'll be in LA within 12 months and the minefield of US political correctness does worry me.
Yeah, LA I'd be kind of worried.
Definitely seek the advice of an employment attorney in the LA area to discuss any issues or apprehensions. Since you mentioned application procedure and rounds of interviews you need to make sure you are in compliance with the EEOC. Wonder if you guys can just delegate the hiring process to another company to make the transition easier and maybe reduce liability and costs. Lots of good agencies.
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He should hire a bigot.
I'm unsure. I think he'd be asking himself what matters more: money or his beliefs. But I'm still curious if he'd be in the wrong from a strictly legal standpoint.
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I'm unsure. I think he'd be asking himself what matters more: money or his beliefs. But I'm still curious if he'd be in the wrong from a strictly legal standpoint.
There's nothing to ask himself: You don't start a business in Bigotville by accident.
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I gotta make a living!
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I gotta make a living!
There's more than one Bigotsville. We ran into my sister-in-law leaving the gym last Saturday and she told us a story from my brother's new job. Some receptionist/secretary said "I hope you didn't get this job because you're black"... I laughed my ass off. Apparently he was kind of upset at the time.
I suggested he sack-up or stop taking jobs in east bumfuck.
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I guess the question comes down to the general idea that you should "buy American".
I have no issue with it if it's all things being equal.
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I guess the question comes down to the general idea that you should "buy American".
I have no issue with it if it's all things being equal.
Good point and that raises the question: which is more "American", the Toyota built in Tennessee or the Ford built in Mexico?
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I'm unsure. I think he'd be asking himself what matters more: money or his beliefs. But I'm still curious if he'd be in the wrong from a strictly legal standpoint.
And if he was from the south and a Christian he would be an even bigger piece of shit.
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Good point and that raises the question: which is more "American", the Toyota built in Tennessee or the Ford built in Mexico?
Also a good point. While Wall Street sees the Toyota as "foreign", the worker who is getting paid probably sees it as made in America.